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(Uproxx)   Damon Lindelof finally found the one person who could convince him the ending to Lost sucked: George RR Martin   (uproxx.com) divider line 85
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2013-09-06 09:35:18 AM
Oooh George R. R. Martin the king of the meandering pointless unending story line is criticizing other people's work. LMAO.
When he said he didn't know what the future held in Game of Thrones I wanted to punch him for wasting everyone's time.
 
2013-09-06 09:46:33 AM
At least it had an ending.
 
2013-09-06 09:52:32 AM

alaric3: Oooh George R. R. Martin the king of the meandering pointless unending story line is criticizing other people's work. LMAO.
When he said he didn't know what the future held in Game of Thrones I wanted to punch him for wasting everyone's time.


Show us where the writer touched you.
 
2013-09-06 10:07:21 AM

kronicfeld: alaric3: Oooh George R. R. Martin the king of the meandering pointless unending story line is criticizing other people's work. LMAO.
When he said he didn't know what the future held in Game of Thrones I wanted to punch him for wasting everyone's time.

Show us where the writer touched you.



Was it your no-no?
 
2013-09-06 10:46:42 AM
How was Lost supposed to end?
 
2013-09-06 12:07:23 PM
What did he think was wrong with it? Not enough people die?
 
2013-09-06 12:18:05 PM

rumpelstiltskin: At least it had an ending.


No need for me to comment here.
 
2013-09-06 12:28:28 PM
Lidelof should really have taken some of Martin's works, like the Tuf series, Wild Cards and a Song of Fire and Ice, as an example of how to really pace and wrap up a long work of fiction.
 
2013-09-06 12:29:34 PM
From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."
 
2013-09-06 12:34:53 PM
I guess if the finale featured a pregnant woman being stabbed multiple times in the uterus then GRRM would have liked it more.
 
2013-09-06 12:36:20 PM

Herbie555: From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."


well he did say it was the equivalent of shiatting on the audience's doorstep.  so it wasn't really "not great" but actually terrible.

but George will never have to worry about that.  he'll die before it's finished, so no bad ending from him and no dealing with fan outrage.  really a win-win for R.R.
 
2013-09-06 12:49:18 PM

The Flexecutioner: but George will never have to worry about that.  he'll die before it's finished, so no bad ending from him and no dealing with fan outrage.  really a win-win for R.R.


and if lindelof dies before touching another keyboard, it a win-win for, well, everybody!
 
2013-09-06 12:54:19 PM
At least he can take a hint and try not to follow in the footsteps of Lost. It's encouraging that he still realizes that things could go down that hill if he doesn't pay attention to what he is doing.
 
2013-09-06 12:57:54 PM
Is there any timetable for the next book?! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
2013-09-06 12:58:56 PM
Hang out w/ Vince Gilligan, you procrastinating lard ball. That's how you set up an ending.
 
2013-09-06 01:00:38 PM

Herbie555: From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."


Because the end of a story is generally the easiest part.

The ring got destroyed.
The empire was overthrown
He chopped of the other guy's head and got the prize
There were no more hunger games
The monoliths turned Jupiter into a new star


But you have to have a story in the first place in order to wrap it up. Not just a bunch of meaningless personal accounts. Like

As the World Turns
General Hospital
Law & Order
CBS Evening News
The Weather Channel
The Home Shopping Club
The Set of Whole Numbers
Pi
 
2013-09-06 01:03:38 PM

rumpelstiltskin: At least it had an ending.


So did Hitler.
 
2013-09-06 01:03:47 PM
From IMDB: Author George R.R. Martin was asked if he had a resolution or ending to the seemingly endless conflict. He replied that the end would be a cloud of dust or snow being driven by the wind across a vast graveyard full of tombstones.

So yeah, he already has an ending, and it's exactly the one you expect.
 
2013-09-06 01:03:54 PM
Now if only Damon Lindelof's career could have an ending...
 
2013-09-06 01:06:54 PM
Damon Lindelof should never, ever be allowed to work in the entertainment industry again.
 
2013-09-06 01:08:33 PM

SpdrJay: Damon Lindelof should never, ever be allowed to work in the entertainment industry again.


Was he ever in the business of entertainment?
 
2013-09-06 01:08:55 PM

The Flexecutioner: Herbie555: From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."

well he did say it was the equivalent of shiatting on the audience's doorstep.  so it wasn't really "not great" but actually terrible.

but George will never have to worry about that.  he'll die before it's finished, so no bad ending from him and no dealing with fan outrage.  really a win-win for R.R.


And then Brandon Sanderson will come in and finish the series in two years
 
2013-09-06 01:10:41 PM
Maybe Damon should explain to Martin that every character died. Then he would love it.
 
2013-09-06 01:11:27 PM

alaric3: Oooh George R. R. Martin the king of the meandering pointless unending story line is criticizing other people's work. LMAO.
When he said he didn't know what the future held in Game of Thrones I wanted to punch him for wasting everyone's time.


Did you hear he has lung cancer?
 
2013-09-06 01:11:53 PM
"LINDELOF: It wasn't just trolls who were doing it-it was television critics who I appreciate and admire."

Once again I feel compelled to mention that someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll.

To be honest Lost started going to shiat long before the finale.
 
2013-09-06 01:12:15 PM

CPennypacker: Maybe Damon should explain to Martin that every character died. Then he would love it.


Maybe Damon, Martion, and Whedon should collaborate on a new series ... call it death has a woody.
 
2013-09-06 01:14:02 PM

redmid17: And then Brandon Sanderson will come in and finish the series in two six years


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-09-06 01:20:10 PM
GET BACK TO YOUR SCIENCE FICTION, LARDASS.
 
2013-09-06 01:21:34 PM

redmid17: The Flexecutioner: Herbie555: From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."

well he did say it was the equivalent of shiatting on the audience's doorstep.  so it wasn't really "not great" but actually terrible.

but George will never have to worry about that.  he'll die before it's finished, so no bad ending from him and no dealing with fan outrage.  really a win-win for R.R.

And then Brandon Sanderson will come in and finish the series in two years


Sanderson is good.

I liked his series with the strange magic that made a select few characters into nearly invincible armies.  You know the one that the institutionally oppressed underclass. The one that had the omnipresent and dangerous weather and environmental influences.
 
2013-09-06 01:24:29 PM
Lost did take a giant dump on my doorstep,set it on fire, rang the doorbell and ran.

Oooh.. It was all a dream is the worst fooking ending there is.. I'd rather see giant, ancient, evil gods enslave the planet.
 
2013-09-06 01:27:28 PM
At least Lost had an ending, sure. The problem is that they opened up several compelling storylines that needed to be resolved in the end and they only gave an ending to one of them. That's why people who watched and were fans of the science fiction aspects of the show were disappointed when it ended.
 
2013-09-06 01:31:16 PM
They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".
 
2013-09-06 01:31:59 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: redmid17: And then Brandon Sanderson will come in and finish the series in two six years

Fixed that for you.


That's only if TOR decides to milk out another three books from the last one.
 
2013-09-06 01:39:35 PM

highbrow45: At least Lost had an ending, sure. The problem is that they opened up several compelling storylines that needed to be resolved in the end and they only gave an ending to one of them. That's why people who watched and were fans of the science fiction aspects of the show were disappointed when it ended.


It was maddening when the final season did very little to resolve those storylines, and instead added new storylines and questions.  No build-up to a climax, very little wrapping up of loose ends...  The big difference between Lost and Breaking Bad is, no matter how much the Internet tried to guess what would happen in Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan was able to surprise us every time, but with Lost, the writers were not as smart and creative as the collective whole of its fans, and instead tried to shoe-horn in these storylines at the last minute in an attempt to throw people off.  This flash-sideways-meet-everyone-in-heaven thing was not the original ending intended.  It was just something that many people thought was too stupid to have guessed.
 
2013-09-06 01:40:50 PM
I just assume the ending to Song of Ice and Fire is Brandon Stark takes his rightful place as Beastman
 
2013-09-06 01:41:39 PM

deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".


come on now, no one on the set of Game of Thrones knows anything about that show
 
2013-09-06 01:42:10 PM
I loved the ending of Lost.  I watched the whole series a couple months ago.  I tried to watch it when it was on back in the day but I couldn't stand the commercials.  It's a whole different experience when you binge watch it.
 
2013-09-06 01:44:27 PM

zedster: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

come on now, no one on the set of Game of Thrones knows anything about that show


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I see what you did there
 
2013-09-06 01:48:16 PM

zedster: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

come on now, no one on the set of Game of Thrones knows anything about that show


funny thing.  i'm in a fantasy football league totally dedicated to The Wire.  Everyone's team names are references to the show and no one is allowed to duplicate characters (so that everyone cant pick Omar as their team name).

I picked Littlefinger Carcetti.  two of my favorite shows in one team name, i love it.
 
2013-09-06 01:49:11 PM

CynicalLA: I loved the ending of Lost.  I watched the whole series a couple months ago.  I tried to watch it when it was on back in the day but I couldn't stand the commercials.  It's a whole different experience when you binge watch it.


This. The ending of Lost is pretty satisfying and I will remain pleased with it until I die.  Then again, I don't worry about GRRM either, so I'm like the least impatient, needy nerd in sci-fi history apparently.
 
2013-09-06 01:50:49 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: zedster: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

come on now, no one on the set of Game of Thrones knows anything about that show

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I see what you did there


this is my team image.

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its a working gif on espn too.
 
2013-09-06 01:52:41 PM

deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".


Or Futurama. Hell, DS9 or TNG as well.
 
2013-09-06 01:54:02 PM
My problem with LOST was that the final answers made no sense. The plot of the series is;  An ancient god decides to retire, brings some possible replacements to his land, tests them, and then gives his job to the best of them. The idea is fine, but the execution is insanity.

Jacob preached about choice, and how he can't force them to do anything after he FORCED them onto the island. He ignores all his own people, and kills hundreds in his game to watch his candidates and never tell them anything about what is happening, even if it means the end of the world. He knows everyone on that Oceanic plane better then they do, yet spends years deciding who can survive in a jungle (a worthless skill for the winner after then get the powers of a god).
The entire series is predicated on a "good guy" who is absolutely insane.  Jacob is everything wrong with LOST and the reason the last season did not work.

/the entire "flash-sideways" was just Hurley's stupid idea to see his old friends one last time, and should just be ignored entirely.
 
2013-09-06 01:54:22 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

Or Futurama. Hell, DS9 or TNG as well.


Life on Mars(UK)/Ashes to Ashes does the Lost type ending correctly, again very different shows


Also BSG should really be the show getting shat on for it's ending, It should be a BSG and not a lost

//so then we fired everything into the sun, end of message
 
2013-09-06 01:57:05 PM
Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman should be eternally grateful to Lindelof.
 
2013-09-06 02:16:34 PM

zedster: Crotchrocket Slim: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

Or Futurama. Hell, DS9 or TNG as well.

Life on Mars(UK)/Ashes to Ashes does the Lost type ending correctly, again very different shows


Also BSG should really be the show getting shat on for it's ending, It should be a BSG and not a lost

//so then we fired everything into the sun, end of message


Apologies for being on a  Trek kick but you're forgetting about how awful the  Enterprise ending was. Should have just had the episode with Peter Weller be the last ep if you ask me.

A show that had a nice planned ending that never had a chance to pull off its entire plan was  Fringe, at least I thought. The fact that they skipped a few seasons ahead of their planned out plotline confused a lot of people and I think it's a shame those "lost seasons" will never be produced.
 
2013-09-06 02:20:20 PM

dfacto: From IMDB: Author George R.R. Martin was asked if he had a resolution or ending to the seemingly endless conflict. He replied that the end would be a cloud of dust or snow being driven by the wind across a vast graveyard full of tombstones.

So yeah, he already has an ending, and it's exactly the one you expect.


Well... If there are tombstones, someone must have survived to bury the rest.
 
2013-09-06 02:25:28 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: zedster: Crotchrocket Slim: deadsanta: They both need to watch the end of "The Wire".

Or Futurama. Hell, DS9 or TNG as well.

Life on Mars(UK)/Ashes to Ashes does the Lost type ending correctly, again very different shows


Also BSG should really be the show getting shat on for it's ending, It should be a BSG and not a lost

//so then we fired everything into the sun, end of message

Apologies for being on a  Trek kick but you're forgetting about how awful the  Enterprise ending was. Should have just had the episode with Peter Weller be the last ep if you ask me.

A show that had a nice planned ending that never had a chance to pull off its entire plan was  Fringe, at least I thought. The fact that they skipped a few seasons ahead of their planned out plotline confused a lot of people and I think it's a shame those "lost seasons" will never be produced.


At least Enterprise got an ending.  It could have been cancelled with a cliffhanger like Alphas.  (At least we know Gary lives.)
 
2013-09-06 02:29:46 PM

redmid17: And then Brandon Sanderson will come in and finish the series in two years


Thank R'hllor.  I was afraid it would be Kevin J. Anderson.
 
2013-09-06 02:34:16 PM

Herbie555: From the quote given in TFA, it sounded more like he was wrestling with his own insecurities that bashing Lindelof.

"When a reporter asked him about the ending ofGame of Thrones, which was still three books away at the time, he said, "What if I f*ck it up at the end? What if I do a Lost?"

So yeah, he's acknowledging that the ending wasn't great in his mind, and that it's generally perceived as not great by the viewers at large, but there's been much worse said.    I think the last line of TFA is the most telling: "I feel like part of what is holding George R.R. Martin back from finishingA Song of Ice and Fire is the same fear Lindelof must have had of disappointing his audience."


Martin has by his own account always struggled a bit with getting the words on the page. I think your comment and the article are spot on - Martin's standard issues are increased because he's feeling the pressure. I don't think he'll ever finish, and that his basic story structure will only see the light of day via the TV show (he's purportedly given the major ending points to the 3 senior writers on the show as part of his deal).

And the ending of Lost was terrible - the show asked me to invest myself intellectually in their universe, then dodged answering all the questions they raised, after promising explicitly that they had the answers.
 
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