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(CBC)   Canada not only has ninjas in their military, but also ninja moving companies   (cbc.ca) divider line 21
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2013-09-06 08:19:53 AM
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2013-09-06 08:39:23 AM
I CAN'T SEE THEM
 
2013-09-06 08:46:54 AM

WelldeadLink: I CAN'T SEE THEM


Exactly.
 
2013-09-06 09:06:30 AM
ninjas are pretty good at moving themselves.  Why do you need to hire a company to do it?  Just get them a Uhaul and they're good to go.
 
2013-09-06 09:26:29 AM
You'd think the Tim Horton donut boxes on the hood of the truck would give them away - but I hear they have black-cloaking toques for these too.
 
2013-09-06 10:18:53 AM
Later to be made into a movie directed by Ben Batman Affleck, about American ninjas who covertly take up ice hockey and igloo construction as a cover story to rescue their poor Canadian cousins.
 
2013-09-06 10:27:21 AM
Was it that they were super sneaky and they left without anyone seeing them or that they all left and no one cared enough to notice?
 
2013-09-06 11:01:07 AM
"Be it CDs, be it thumb drives, hard drives - everything has to be physically destroyed, because erasing does not work. There are always ways to recoup information."

i'd be extremely interested how to retrieve data from a drive cleaned with the gutmann method.
 
2013-09-06 11:24:58 AM
Personally, i'd leave a few thumb drives intact, but loaded with malware, or other fun treats for whoever picked it up and thought they'd hit the jackpot

But that wouldn't be very Canadian of me, would it?
 
2013-09-06 11:28:17 AM

Ghost Roach: Personally, i'd leave a few thumb drives intact, but loaded with malware, or other fun treats for whoever picked it up and thought they'd hit the jackpot

But that wouldn't be very Canadian of me, would it?


Then they'd have to delete that VM and spin up a new one?  You showed them!
 
2013-09-06 11:38:51 AM

serial_crusher: Ghost Roach: Personally, i'd leave a few thumb drives intact, but loaded with malware, or other fun treats for whoever picked it up and thought they'd hit the jackpot

But that wouldn't be very Canadian of me, would it?

Then they'd have to delete that VM and spin up a new one?  You showed them!


Anytime you can make a foreign intel office waste time on a fruitless endeavour, is a win in my book
 
2013-09-06 11:55:55 AM

Red_Fox: "Be it CDs, be it thumb drives, hard drives - everything has to be physically destroyed, because erasing does not work. There are always ways to recoup information."

i'd be extremely interested how to retrieve data from a drive cleaned with the gutmann method.


From my very light understanding it had to do with a sort of long-term memory and teasing the platters magnetically to revert to it.  Imagine something akin to hair where its in a particular pattern for 99% of its life but someone goes and ruffles it 'really good', its natural tendency is to revert to the original shape.  From what I also understand though as platter density improved this method became more difficult.  Meanwhile SSDs are unfortunately the tech that breaks the over-write technique since they can effectively stop being able to write to sections of themselves after so many actions and will permanently leave read-only areas intact for someone to dig around in.  SSDs are definitely 'must destroy' territory for that characteristic, as with any flash memory.
 
2013-09-06 12:01:24 PM
The data density of modern hard drives is high enough that there's not much of the original data left after you overwrite once or twice. However do not just fill it with zeroes or any other simple pattern, because you can't trust that the firmware is actually writing those to the media vs. just keeping a table saying 'sectors 0-1000000 are blank' and responding accordingly to read requests. You need to fill the drive with something deterministic but unpredictable, such as the output of a stream cipher, and then read it back to verify that it was all actually stored.

Next send the drive a 'SECURITY ERASE UNIT' command. While the first overwrite will get most of the drive, it won't touch hidden areas like remapped bad sectors (which have a small chance of still holding some important data). The built-in erase command might take care of these, although you are trusting that the firmware is actually doing what it says it's doing.

Finally, throw the whole thing into a shredder. Not to finally destroy the data (which was quietly siphoned off by an NSA-compromised NIC driver the week before you started doing all of that erasing stuff), but because you need to vent your frustration at the futility of trying to keep data secure in the modern world.
 
2013-09-06 12:28:25 PM
My friend broke up with a girl this way. Waited til she was out of town then we all got the call saying, "Help me move, now!"
 
2013-09-06 12:51:59 PM

BumpInTheNight: SSDs are definitely 'must destroy' territory for that characteristic, as with any flash memory.


Makes sense.  I have never had a client who was rich enough to buy SSD drives yet.  Gutmann overwrites the drive over 30 times, the problem is that it takes so damned long to complete no one ever uses it.
 
2013-09-06 01:10:18 PM

oldfarthenry: You'd think the Tim Horton donut boxes on the hood of the truck would give them away - but I hear they have black-cloaking toques for these too.


They hid the Timmies Boxes into Dunkin Donut Boxes..........
 
2013-09-06 01:22:40 PM

One leg best: My friend broke up with a girl this way. Waited til she was out of town then we all got the call saying, "Help me move, now!"


Everyone knows someone who has done this.
 
2013-09-06 01:36:54 PM

Red_Fox: BumpInTheNight: SSDs are definitely 'must destroy' territory for that characteristic, as with any flash memory.

Makes sense.  I have never had a client who was rich enough to buy SSD drives yet.  Gutmann overwrites the drive over 30 times, the problem is that it takes so damned long to complete no one ever uses it.



unitednuclear.com

Much quicker. Also more fun.
 
2013-09-06 02:09:55 PM

Ghost Roach: serial_crusher: Ghost Roach: Personally, i'd leave a few thumb drives intact, but loaded with malware, or other fun treats for whoever picked it up and thought they'd hit the jackpot

But that wouldn't be very Canadian of me, would it?

Then they'd have to delete that VM and spin up a new one?  You showed them!

Anytime you can make a foreign  any intel office waste time on a fruitless endeavour, is a win in my book

 
2013-09-06 02:11:39 PM

MythDragon: Red_Fox: BumpInTheNight: SSDs are definitely 'must destroy' territory for that characteristic, as with any flash memory.

Makes sense.  I have never had a client who was rich enough to buy SSD drives yet.  Gutmann overwrites the drive over 30 times, the problem is that it takes so damned long to complete no one ever uses it.


[unitednuclear.com image 250x293]

Much quicker. Also more fun.


Black and decker drill cheaper and faster, four holes per drive
 
2013-09-06 02:12:06 PM

Red_Fox: BumpInTheNight: SSDs are definitely 'must destroy' territory for that characteristic, as with any flash memory.

Makes sense.  I have never had a client who was rich enough to buy SSD drives yet.  Gutmann overwrites the drive over 30 times, the problem is that it takes so damned long to complete no one ever uses it.


The other problem is it does nothing a single overwrite wouldn't do on a drive made in the last 15 years, unless you count irritating the shiat out of data recovery techs every time someone cites it in a serious paper.
 
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