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(Harvard Crimson)   Turns out the question that goes with the answer "42" is "what percentage of incoming Harvard freshmen cheated on their homework?" Duke sucks   (thecrimson.com) divider line 17
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2013-09-06 09:22:29 AM
But that doesn't really explain life, the universe, and everything, now does it?
 
2013-09-06 09:39:43 AM

Mentat: But that doesn't really explain life, the universe, and everything, now does it?


If you played by the rules and didn't get into Harvard, it will end up explaining why you're toiling away in middle management while the rich douche who cribbed off your test in high school is a congressman.
 
2013-09-06 09:55:55 AM
I'm not at all surprised.
 
2013-09-06 10:03:21 AM
No, that's the percentage of incoming Harvard freshmen that admitted that they cheated on their homework.
 
2013-09-06 10:05:55 AM
How many roads must a man (or mouse) travel?

/Finished it for ya
//The movie sucked.
 
2013-09-06 10:06:38 AM
What is the percentage that got in because only because daddy knew someone from his Harvard days and pledged $1.2 million to rebuild the third floor of the library?
 
2013-09-06 10:09:35 AM
FTA: Ten percent of respondents admitted to having cheated on an exam, and 17 percent said they had cheated on a paper or a take-home assignment. An even greater percentage-42 percent-admitted to cheating on a homework assignment or problem set.

And those are just the ones who recognized their behavior as cheating. I once had a second year student photocopy another student's assignment in front of me, white-out the original name and replace it with his, and then hand it in. He appealed the zero all the way to the dean.

A group of fourth year students were caught hiding mandatory journal volumes in the library. All claimed that they were unaware deliberately mis-shelving books so that other students could not use them was wrong. One explained her behavior as "being competitive".
 
2013-09-06 10:14:59 AM
You mean even people at top level schools cheat? I am appalled.

/not really
 
2013-09-06 10:15:49 AM
Hey, you gotta start preparing for a career in law and/or politics early, ya know.
 
2013-09-06 10:21:42 AM

Your mom and me: You mean even people at top level schools cheat? I am appalled.

/not really


I would have thought "especially" people at top level schools cheat, given they tend to be more competitive.
 
2013-09-06 10:35:17 AM

Tyrosine: FTA: Ten percent of respondents admitted to having cheated on an exam, and 17 percent said they had cheated on a paper or a take-home assignment. An even greater percentage-42 percent-admitted to cheating on a homework assignment or problem set.

And those are just the ones who recognized their behavior as cheating. I once had a second year student photocopy another student's assignment in front of me, white-out the original name and replace it with his, and then hand it in. He appealed the zero all the way to the dean.

A group of fourth year students were caught hiding mandatory journal volumes in the library. All claimed that they were unaware deliberately mis-shelving books so that other students could not use them was wrong. One explained her behavior as "being competitive".


Yep.

I've now been affiliated with five different universities across the U.S., including some very good, very prestigious ones.  In general, the "better" the university, the "better" the students (especially graduate students), but that only holds true in the bottom 3/4* of universities, though.  At the top 1/4, by and large, the students are all the same in terms of intelligence and knowledge.  They kids at Berkeley are just as smart as the kids at Michigan who are just as smart as the kids at Georgia Tech.

The big difference between these top 1/4 students, though, is drive and ambition.  The kids at the more elite schools seem to be significantly more motivated, but not any smarter.  That's why is doesn't surprise me that they cheat is such great numbers.

*my personal estimate, and excludes community colleges, with which I have zero experience
 
2013-09-06 10:46:49 AM
And the other 58% cheated but were smart enough to not tell us they cheated.
 
2013-09-06 11:20:43 AM
Someone reeched theez keedz!

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2013-09-06 12:05:25 PM
This is why I don't regard college as any kind  of indication of intelligence or education, but rather an indication that someone spent a lot of money. Many of the dumbest people I've met in my life have been degree-holders, while many of the brilliant people skipped college.
 
2013-09-06 12:05:49 PM

Tyrosine: FTA: Ten percent of respondents admitted to having cheated on an exam, and 17 percent said they had cheated on a paper or a take-home assignment. An even greater percentage-42 percent-admitted to cheating on a homework assignment or problem set.

And those are just the ones who recognized their behavior as cheating. I once had a second year student photocopy another student's assignment in front of me, white-out the original name and replace it with his, and then hand it in. He appealed the zero all the way to the dean.

A group of fourth year students were caught hiding mandatory journal volumes in the library. All claimed that they were unaware deliberately mis-shelving books so that other students could not use them was wrong. One explained her behavior as "being competitive".


future lawyer.
 
2013-09-06 01:05:46 PM

Nhojwolfe: future lawyer.


M.D.-Ph.D actually.
 
2013-09-06 01:15:19 PM

Tyrosine: Nhojwolfe: future lawyer.

M.D.-Ph.D actually.


No one likes a gunner, especially the residents who get to put their two cents in on who's admitted to a program.  They know they'll be next in the crosshairs.
 
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