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2013-09-06 07:55:24 AM
9 votes:
I'd still be catholic if the whole lot of them were more like this guy.
2013-09-06 07:14:51 AM
8 votes:
It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.
2013-09-06 07:13:55 AM
8 votes:
This guy is setting all sorts of bad precedents for the Popes to follow him. He seems to actually care for the people and not just the church/priesthood.

Those will be big shoes to follow. I hope he makes it long enough to bring about some change that will actually stick.
2013-09-06 07:44:08 AM
7 votes:
I love how Pope Francis doesn't just stay in his ivory (marble?) tower. He seems to take his calling to serve
very seriously. I think it is very telling that he didn't berate the woman for adultery, pre-marital sex or having
a child out of wedlock. Instead, he was compassionate and reassuring.
2013-09-06 07:44:05 AM
7 votes:
This guy is doing the whole Pope thing right. He has made me smile a few times and I'm an atheist.
2013-09-06 09:00:50 AM
6 votes:

Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)


One of my better friends is a former Jesuit. He is perhaps one of the kindest men I know, brilliantly trained as a Biblical scholar, and easily one of the most rigorous in his approach to his faith, intellectually and spiritually. He walks the walk, and while he left the order, and left the Church, he is still one of the best living examples I personally know of a good Christian. He also kicks my ass at chess, and for that I equally admire and despise his King's gambit and his Sicilian defense, which he plays through with ruthless efficiency, but what I take away from these games more than his ability to draw games into elaborate traps is that all the while, we can discuss theology and politics in a fashion that illustrates that a man can have and live his faith, without being mired in simplistic dogma, while having a deep appreciation for Scripture. His faith, while no longer tied to the Catholic Church, has been heavily shaped by his time and training, and it has made him thoughtful, considered, and a far better man that I think I can ever be.

The Mother Church has needed a Pope like this for some time. Not just a political player, but a Pope with a heart as well as a head. I hope that he can help the Catholic Bishopry to find a better place, and to reinforce the Church in a role of shelters for the spirit. It's going to take some time to repair a lot of bridges, and his steadfastness about sexual morality is little surprise, but the tone has changed with him, and that is hardly a bad thing. The Catholics have needed someone like him for a long while, and the priests I know, most were just as surprised as anyone with his investiture, but the ones that I like, and who I admire all were wry and pleased at the same time. He isn't going to be able to erase everything that has rotted away at the Church, not by a longshot, but his approach and humility are an example that I hope that the Church takes to heart.
2013-09-06 08:53:13 AM
6 votes:

gfid: The pope does a lot of work with single mothers.  Just helping them get their start of course.


godwin5: Parent / Teacher conferences are going to be a bit awkward....


LowbrowDeluxe: Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.


squibbits: We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.


Subby and TFA got it wrong. Bad translation is bad.

I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood.

/google translate is not your friend
2013-09-06 08:00:02 AM
6 votes:

Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)


His statement regarding atheists is one of my favorites. I'm Catholic, and it may be blasphemous, but I've always wondered
if God was really so egotistical and insecure that if you didn't scream it from the rooftops that he was the greatest thing since
Cheetos and Monster that he was going to send you straight to hell.

If you believe that God is a loving god, and if you believe that He gave us free will, then that also includes the freedom NOT
to believe in Him. I think that God is more concerned about us being decent to one another than He is about whether or not
we are paying lip service.
2013-09-06 08:26:19 AM
5 votes:
I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.
2013-09-06 07:06:04 AM
5 votes:
This pope is seems to actually be a decent guy who tries to follow the teachings of Christ.
2013-09-06 08:43:43 AM
4 votes:

Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.


Exactly. This is how religion is supposed to work.

/atheist but OK with this Pope
2013-09-06 07:38:56 AM
4 votes:
This pope seems like a genuinely good human being.

/Religion still awful
2013-09-06 07:11:30 AM
4 votes:
The Vatican is gonna be royally pissed.  A friendly Pope, and one who cares?  Damn.
2013-09-06 08:44:16 AM
3 votes:

jrodr018: PainfulItching: I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.

That's weird. I am a practicing Catholic and I don't know of anybody who thinks this Pope is too "smiley", we are all just kind of glad he is who he is.


In Alabama Catholics are down right liberal hippies compared to the fundy baptist churches that run rampant over the South.
2013-09-06 08:41:48 AM
3 votes:
I am really liking this Pope. He doesn't sit on his throne, performs true acts of service, is forgiving and caring about his flock. If all religious leaders would behave more like this the world would be a better place. Glad to finally see a religious leader who apparently walks the walk instead of just talking the talk.

I don't agree with all the Catholic Church's sociopolitical stances, but this man seems to truly want to serve the Catholics of the world and do what is right. I hope none of the standard issue church leaders have him assassinated for ruining their gig.....
2013-09-06 08:31:56 AM
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.


THIS.

The Jesuits are and always have been awesome.  I'm not even religious and I have enormous respect for them.
2013-09-06 08:21:30 AM
3 votes:

squibbits: We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.


Given how this Pope is, I would not be shocked if he paid.
2013-09-06 08:17:15 AM
3 votes:
I really, really like this Pope. May his Papacy be a long one.
2013-09-06 08:04:09 AM
3 votes:
Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.
2013-09-06 07:50:56 AM
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.


Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)
2013-09-06 07:43:36 AM
3 votes:
You know what other mother claimed the head of the church as the father of her child.
2013-09-06 07:23:39 AM
3 votes:
Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.
2013-09-06 07:04:56 AM
3 votes:
Hes pretty cool...for a Pope and all

I heard hes jammin with Tool on their next album
2013-09-06 07:04:07 AM
3 votes:
I like this Pope a lot more than the previous one.
2013-09-06 10:08:03 AM
2 votes:
I'll echo what others have already said, I really, really like Pope Francis.  With half of my biological family being Catholic (lapsed) I have always had a connection to the Catholic faith although not one myself (except by blood, don't know if that counts or not)  I liked John Paul too.  Emperor Palpatine on the other hand, scared the tailfeathers off me.  Long live Pope Francis, may his Papacy be blessed, fruitful and peaceful.
2013-09-06 10:07:57 AM
2 votes:
If I was remotely into religion this is the kind of guy I'd want leading my Church.
2013-09-06 09:21:07 AM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)

One of my better friends is a former Jesuit. He is perhaps one of the kindest men I know, brilliantly trained as a Biblical scholar, and easily one of the most rigorous in his approach to his faith, intellectually and spiritually. He walks the walk, and while he left the order, and left the Church, he is still one of the best living examples I personally know of a good Christian. He also kicks my ass at chess, and for that I equally admire and despise his King's gambit and his Sicilian defense, which he plays through with ruthless efficiency, but what I take away from these games more than his ability to draw games into elaborate traps is that all the while, we can discuss theology and politics in a fashion that illustrates that a man can have and live his faith, without being mired in simplistic dogma, while having a deep appreciation for Scripture. His faith, while no longer tied to the Catholic Church, has been heavily shaped by his time and training, and it has made him thoughtful, considered, and a far better man that I think I can ever be.

The Mother Church has needed a Pope like this for some time. Not just a political player, but a Pope with a heart as well as a head. I hope that he can help the Catholic Bishopry to find a better place, and to reinforce the Church in a role of shelters for the spirit. It's going to take some time to repair a lot of bridges, and his steadfastness about sexual morality is little surprise, but the tone has changed with him, and ...


My father says "Don't confuse your ritual with your religion"

It cuts both ways - people in the church who don't really believe or act in accordance with the true core of the religion, but want to be part of the community and the familiar acts of the ritual.  And people out of the church because they are turned off by the ritual, the habits, the tradition, and the history - but who truly embody the purpose of the thing.

I was hoping for a black pope.  Lots of people would get all huffy and leave the church, and then I could have said "I guess you weren't really Catholic to begin with, were you?"

Better to have 400 million Catholics who really believe and act, than 1 billion who are just in it for tradition's sake.
2013-09-06 09:10:51 AM
2 votes:

capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself. Nothing about actual fatherhood.


Translation notwithstanding, that's still a pretty big deal in and of itself and indicative of Francis' desire for inclusivity in the RCC.
2013-09-06 09:08:01 AM
2 votes:

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I think he is a really good guy.  I may not agree with him on everything, but he at least seems to be trying to make the world a better place, and at least cares about people.  That said, I think in the long run he is going to be the death of the Catholic Church.  Look at how all the narcissist have ran the church up till now.  It's unlikely that very many of the future popes are going to want to have this guys level of humility and compassion.  The result will be that many Catholics will now see them for what they really are.


Actually, there are exponentially more priest, nuns & brothers like Pope Francis than the Ratzenberger.

The Catholic Church has gone through worse stuff than the pedophile scandals and has always survived.
2013-09-06 08:55:28 AM
2 votes:

capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood


That's actually even cooler.

Teacher in school: "Little Jimmy, did Father O'Malley baptize you"
Jimmy:  "Hell no!  I was baptized by the freaking Pope!"
2013-09-06 08:45:11 AM
2 votes:

Hugh2d2: I'd still be catholic if the whole lot of them were more like this guy.


Either the religion is true and you go for it, or it is not and you let it go.
What people of a religion do, even in its name, should not affect you decision.
2013-09-06 08:44:32 AM
2 votes:
It was a phone call... so how'd the press find out?
If she alerted the media, hasn't she already proven herself to be a bit unreliable...?

/would this pope (or his staff) rat her out if that call never happened?
//fyi for those that didn't rtfa, the pope -didn't- say put me on the birth certificate. Instead, he (allegedly) told her "I am convinced that you will not have trouble finding a spiritual father, but if not, know that there is always me." - obvs not the same as offering child support, etc.
2013-09-06 08:38:58 AM
2 votes:
Boy, this is the nicest Catholic hate thread ever.

/yay good pope
2013-09-06 08:33:12 AM
2 votes:
How long until he starts asking financial questions and has a sudden, mysterious death?
2013-09-06 08:28:45 AM
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.


I'm still shaking my head wondering WTF the college was thinking and what their intent was when they chose a Jesuit as pope. I bet heads were spinning faster than the generators at Hoover Damn when they found out who was chosen.

Hell.....I half expected Ignatius himself to rise from the grave and cheer.
2013-09-06 08:24:24 AM
2 votes:
I think he is a really good guy.  I may not agree with him on everything, but he at least seems to be trying to make the world a better place, and at least cares about people.  That said, I think in the long run he is going to be the death of the Catholic Church.  Look at how all the narcissist have ran the church up till now.  It's unlikely that very many of the future popes are going to want to have this guys level of humility and compassion.  The result will be that many Catholics will now see them for what they really are.
2013-09-06 08:23:09 AM
2 votes:

squibbits: We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.


LowbrowDeluxe: Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.


I was thinking that too... but he said "I am convinced that you will not have trouble finding a spiritual father, but if not, know that there is always me."

So, guess not.
2013-09-06 07:58:01 AM
2 votes:

vpb: He wouldn't be the first Pope with kids.


I wonder when the Papacy changed from the Borgia era popes (where debauchery was not unheard of, and sometimes encouraged) to the "holier-than Swiss cheese" popes where everything was off-limits out of "common decency and morality"
2013-09-06 07:46:28 AM
2 votes:
Best. Pope. Ever.
2013-09-06 07:25:46 AM
2 votes:
He just trying to recruit.

He's simply doing it better than some of the old guard.
2013-09-06 07:23:41 AM
2 votes:
We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.
2013-09-06 03:12:29 PM
1 votes:
I'm starting to like the cut of his jib.
2013-09-06 02:31:47 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Way to be taken in by the smoke and mirrors, folks. The new boss has the exact same goals as the old boss, just uses different methods.


If someone is preaching a specific course of action for one's life which would be more compelling, the guy preaching it saying one thing and doing another, or the guy preaching it and actually walking the walk.

Seriously, read up on Jesuits. They take that whole faith through action thing pretty farking seriously.
2013-09-06 01:30:59 PM
1 votes:
So between this, statements about atheists and talking with the Jews and his stance on gays, we're forced to ask:

Is the Pope Catholic?
2013-09-06 12:01:58 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: digitalrain: Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)

His statement regarding atheists is one of my favorites. I'm Catholic, and it may be blasphemous, but I've always wondered
if God was really so egotistical and insecure that if you didn't scream it from the rooftops that he was the greatest thing since
Cheetos and Monster that he was going to send you straight to hell.

If you believe that God is a loving god, and if you believe that He gave us free will, then that also includes the freedom NOT
to believe in Him. I think that God is more concerned about us being decent to one another than He is about whether or not
we are paying lip service.

if you can, as some dogmatic brethern of all faiths seem to, truly believe that the Alpha and Omega, the creator of the universe, the omnipotent being who stands outside of space and time reidrecting both according to his whim,  reallygives a flying fark what human name you apply to him, or what syllables you intone when trying to converse with him, rather than whether you live your life trying to make your world a better place, and sincerely seek to do what you think is right?  Well, I have nothing but pity for you and the terrifying place you must think the universe to be


That's the point I was trying to make...
2013-09-06 11:57:29 AM
1 votes:

Persnickety: To achieve salvation, Catholicism teaches that faith without deeds is dead so just claiming you have faith and therefore you are saved is not enough because it can't possibly be real faith unless you walk the walk too.  For once there seems to be a pope actually willing to live that way.  His reminders that good and faithful Christians can not ignore the poor are ruffling a lot of feathers and I can't wait until he addresses the issue of immigration.


He visited Lampedusa in July.  That's where most African refugees/migrants (re: boat people) come ashore in Europe.
2013-09-06 11:53:35 AM
1 votes:
I like this dude.
2013-09-06 10:58:28 AM
1 votes:
To achieve salvation, Catholicism teaches that faith without deeds is dead so just claiming you have faith and therefore you are saved is not enough because it can't possibly be real faith unless you walk the walk too.  For once there seems to be a pope actually willing to live that way.  His reminders that good and faithful Christians can not ignore the poor are ruffling a lot of feathers and I can't wait until he addresses the issue of immigration.
2013-09-06 10:10:22 AM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood

That's actually even cooler.

Teacher in school: "Little Jimmy, did Father O'Malley baptize you"
Jimmy:  "Hell no!  I was baptized by the freaking Pope!"


Traditionally, the Pope baptizes several babies in the Sistine Chapel every year on the feast of the Epiphany (January 6).

thetablet.org
2013-09-06 10:02:07 AM
1 votes:

Chach: AverageAmericanGuy: I like this Pope a lot more than the previous one.

That's a fault of the reporting on him. Stylistically they're quite different but their priorities are virtually identical.


It's also his physical appearance. Ratz looked pretty evil.
2013-09-06 09:51:46 AM
1 votes:

Aidan: I swear, more non-Catholics approve of this Pope than any other Pope I can think of, and that's including JP2. I find it funny that we're all sitting here saying "Hey, good job! Very nice!" and we're all technically not part of the game. I'm okay with that. I think we should be able to judge the leader of a religion for his essential humanity and his ability to manage that religion. I just wonder what Rome thinks of it. "Our numbers are up 2% among Protestants! Yay?"

/Still very glad (and even grateful!) for this Pope


I don't know about you, but that's how I've generally been with the Dalai Lama.
2013-09-06 09:43:23 AM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood

That's actually even cooler.

Teacher in school: "Little Jimmy, did Father O'Malley baptize you"
Jimmy:  "Hell no!  I was baptized by the freaking Pope!"


To be fair, it's not like there's a priest on the planet who'd refuse to do anything for the kid now.

Which might be the point Francis was making, now that I think about it.
2013-09-06 09:12:51 AM
1 votes:
attitudes sure have changed on Fark.  I remember when he was first in, everyone was all about him being a baby rapist and out for the money.  Funny how when you actually give 'some' people a chance you have the opportunity to see them in a different light...
2013-09-06 08:57:38 AM
1 votes:

ThisIsntMe: grokca: You know what other mother claimed the head of the church as the father of her child.

Saint Peter had a wife?


Well, he did have a mother in law, which sort of implies some things.
2013-09-06 08:56:04 AM
1 votes:

arbitterm: A "Christ-like" pope...what a concept.


They'll never make that mistake again, I promise.
2013-09-06 08:51:58 AM
1 votes:

HighlanderRPI: Next, on the Steve Wilkos show...


Maury is where it's at for all the baby mamma drama, who's the daddy, and caught on tape cheaters.  Jerry is for crazy "this is not the real America" schlock.  Steve Wilkos is focused mainly on lie detectors and "did you abuse the kid" and "get off my stage you lying, abusing scum."
2013-09-06 08:46:27 AM
1 votes:

thecpt: elffster: Hes pretty cool...for a Pope and all

I heard hes jammin with Tool on their next album

I think that would cause a schism among catholics.

Anyways, I hear this guy is a righteous dude.


Do the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads all adore him?

/too vague ?
2013-09-06 08:37:33 AM
1 votes:
A "Christ-like" pope...what a concept.
2013-09-06 08:31:57 AM
1 votes:

PainfulItching: I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.


That's weird. I am a practicing Catholic and I don't know of anybody who thinks this Pope is too "smiley", we are all just kind of glad he is who he is.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-06 07:44:58 AM
1 votes:
He wouldn't be the first Pope with kids.
2013-09-06 07:40:41 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I like this Pope a lot more than the previous one.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk : 2 + 2 = 10

www.themorningnews.org : 2 + 2 = 9

Me too
2013-09-06 07:33:48 AM
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.


Sovereign immunity.
2013-09-06 07:30:24 AM
1 votes:
The Vatican will shortly release a statement clarifying that the mother is still going to hell.
GBB
2013-09-06 07:29:44 AM
1 votes:

oryx: If you've lost hope and cannot cope, don't mope, don't reach for a rope, don't be a dope, write to the Pope.


northbynotwest.com
2013-09-06 07:19:40 AM
1 votes:
If you've lost hope and cannot cope, don't mope, don't reach for a rope, don't be a dope, write to the Pope.
2013-09-06 07:18:48 AM
1 votes:
He called her a whore as soon as they hung up.
2013-09-06 07:13:49 AM
1 votes:
The pope does a lot of work with single mothers.  Just helping them get their start of course.
2013-09-06 07:10:05 AM
1 votes:

elffster: Hes pretty cool...for a Pope and all

I heard hes jammin with Tool on their next album


I think that would cause a schism among catholics.

Anyways, I hear this guy is a righteous dude.
 
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