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2013-09-06 08:22:39 AM  

digitalrain: If you believe that God is a loving god, and if you believe that He gave us free will, then that also includes the freedom NOT
to believe in Him. I think that God is more concerned about us being decent to one another than He is about whether or not
we are paying lip service.


What is His word on partying on, dudes?

/sorry, have bill & ted on the brain
 
2013-09-06 08:23:09 AM  

squibbits: We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.


LowbrowDeluxe: Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.


I was thinking that too... but he said "I am convinced that you will not have trouble finding a spiritual father, but if not, know that there is always me."

So, guess not.
 
2013-09-06 08:23:42 AM  
Popein ain't easy
 
2013-09-06 08:24:24 AM  
I think he is a really good guy.  I may not agree with him on everything, but he at least seems to be trying to make the world a better place, and at least cares about people.  That said, I think in the long run he is going to be the death of the Catholic Church.  Look at how all the narcissist have ran the church up till now.  It's unlikely that very many of the future popes are going to want to have this guys level of humility and compassion.  The result will be that many Catholics will now see them for what they really are.
 
2013-09-06 08:25:05 AM  

GoldDude: That's a nice first impact.
If he wants to make one that would help her more immediately, he should offer to phone the father of the child, and if necessary the WIFE of the father of the child.  I bet the "cad" might reconsider his position on child support (and discretion).


I would love to hear the phone call to the dad. "Hello, this is Pope Francis, and I know you have been a very bad boy..."
 
2013-09-06 08:26:19 AM  
I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.
 
2013-09-06 08:28:45 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.


I'm still shaking my head wondering WTF the college was thinking and what their intent was when they chose a Jesuit as pope. I bet heads were spinning faster than the generators at Hoover Damn when they found out who was chosen.

Hell.....I half expected Ignatius himself to rise from the grave and cheer.
 
2013-09-06 08:31:56 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.


THIS.

The Jesuits are and always have been awesome.  I'm not even religious and I have enormous respect for them.
 
2013-09-06 08:31:57 AM  

PainfulItching: I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.


That's weird. I am a practicing Catholic and I don't know of anybody who thinks this Pope is too "smiley", we are all just kind of glad he is who he is.
 
2013-09-06 08:33:12 AM  
How long until he starts asking financial questions and has a sudden, mysterious death?
 
2013-09-06 08:34:08 AM  

MyNameIsMofuga: He called her a whore as soon as they hung up.


Well, to be fair, she kinda is for screwing around with a married man.  Not that the douchebag is any better.
 
2013-09-06 08:35:53 AM  

poe_zlaw: Story is fake.


Well, that does.
I'm convinced.
 
2013-09-06 08:37:26 AM  

grokca: You know what other mother claimed the head of the church as the father of her child.


Saint Peter had a wife?
 
2013-09-06 08:37:33 AM  
A "Christ-like" pope...what a concept.
 
2013-09-06 08:38:58 AM  
Boy, this is the nicest Catholic hate thread ever.

/yay good pope
 
2013-09-06 08:41:48 AM  
I am really liking this Pope. He doesn't sit on his throne, performs true acts of service, is forgiving and caring about his flock. If all religious leaders would behave more like this the world would be a better place. Glad to finally see a religious leader who apparently walks the walk instead of just talking the talk.

I don't agree with all the Catholic Church's sociopolitical stances, but this man seems to truly want to serve the Catholics of the world and do what is right. I hope none of the standard issue church leaders have him assassinated for ruining their gig.....
 
2013-09-06 08:43:32 AM  

Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.


Never seen an atheist confirmation... what's it like?
 
2013-09-06 08:43:43 AM  

Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.


Exactly. This is how religion is supposed to work.

/atheist but OK with this Pope
 
2013-09-06 08:44:16 AM  

jrodr018: PainfulItching: I used to be Catholic. Kinda nothing now, but my mom and most of my family is still really into it. Some are grumbling that he's too smiley and happy, but they realize he's a Jesuit.

I happen to like the guy's style. I'd compare his style to Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He's obviously a decent man, and he's acting like he's not letting the whole vatican thing go to his head. Takes time for the little things. Kinda reminds me of my grandfather a bit actually. Is it going to get me back into the church? Doubtful. But I am glad to see that there is a human at the top there.

That's weird. I am a practicing Catholic and I don't know of anybody who thinks this Pope is too "smiley", we are all just kind of glad he is who he is.


In Alabama Catholics are down right liberal hippies compared to the fundy baptist churches that run rampant over the South.
 
2013-09-06 08:44:32 AM  
It was a phone call... so how'd the press find out?
If she alerted the media, hasn't she already proven herself to be a bit unreliable...?

/would this pope (or his staff) rat her out if that call never happened?
//fyi for those that didn't rtfa, the pope -didn't- say put me on the birth certificate. Instead, he (allegedly) told her "I am convinced that you will not have trouble finding a spiritual father, but if not, know that there is always me." - obvs not the same as offering child support, etc.
 
2013-09-06 08:45:11 AM  

Hugh2d2: I'd still be catholic if the whole lot of them were more like this guy.


Either the religion is true and you go for it, or it is not and you let it go.
What people of a religion do, even in its name, should not affect you decision.
 
2013-09-06 08:51:58 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Next, on the Steve Wilkos show...


Maury is where it's at for all the baby mamma drama, who's the daddy, and caught on tape cheaters.  Jerry is for crazy "this is not the real America" schlock.  Steve Wilkos is focused mainly on lie detectors and "did you abuse the kid" and "get off my stage you lying, abusing scum."
 
2013-09-06 08:53:01 AM  
The last pope was looking too much like Emperor Palpatine for my liking.
 
2013-09-06 08:53:13 AM  

gfid: The pope does a lot of work with single mothers.  Just helping them get their start of course.


godwin5: Parent / Teacher conferences are going to be a bit awkward....


LowbrowDeluxe: Take him up on it, lady, then hit the Vatican up for child support.


squibbits: We'll see how cool he is when he gets the bill for child support.


Subby and TFA got it wrong. Bad translation is bad.

I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood.

/google translate is not your friend
 
2013-09-06 08:55:28 AM  

jakrabit: Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.

Never seen an atheist confirmation... what's it like?


Read a religious text,  apply critical thinking skills, then say "yeah, no".

It's a pretty easy process, save that some of those texts can be a very dry read. For those who want a little more ceremony or challenge, you can read the texts in their original language before applying critical thinking skills to them.
 
2013-09-06 08:55:28 AM  

capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood


That's actually even cooler.

Teacher in school: "Little Jimmy, did Father O'Malley baptize you"
Jimmy:  "Hell no!  I was baptized by the freaking Pope!"
 
2013-09-06 08:56:04 AM  

arbitterm: A "Christ-like" pope...what a concept.


They'll never make that mistake again, I promise.
 
2013-09-06 08:57:38 AM  

ThisIsntMe: grokca: You know what other mother claimed the head of the church as the father of her child.

Saint Peter had a wife?


Well, he did have a mother in law, which sort of implies some things.
 
2013-09-06 09:00:50 AM  

Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)


One of my better friends is a former Jesuit. He is perhaps one of the kindest men I know, brilliantly trained as a Biblical scholar, and easily one of the most rigorous in his approach to his faith, intellectually and spiritually. He walks the walk, and while he left the order, and left the Church, he is still one of the best living examples I personally know of a good Christian. He also kicks my ass at chess, and for that I equally admire and despise his King's gambit and his Sicilian defense, which he plays through with ruthless efficiency, but what I take away from these games more than his ability to draw games into elaborate traps is that all the while, we can discuss theology and politics in a fashion that illustrates that a man can have and live his faith, without being mired in simplistic dogma, while having a deep appreciation for Scripture. His faith, while no longer tied to the Catholic Church, has been heavily shaped by his time and training, and it has made him thoughtful, considered, and a far better man that I think I can ever be.

The Mother Church has needed a Pope like this for some time. Not just a political player, but a Pope with a heart as well as a head. I hope that he can help the Catholic Bishopry to find a better place, and to reinforce the Church in a role of shelters for the spirit. It's going to take some time to repair a lot of bridges, and his steadfastness about sexual morality is little surprise, but the tone has changed with him, and that is hardly a bad thing. The Catholics have needed someone like him for a long while, and the priests I know, most were just as surprised as anyone with his investiture, but the ones that I like, and who I admire all were wry and pleased at the same time. He isn't going to be able to erase everything that has rotted away at the Church, not by a longshot, but his approach and humility are an example that I hope that the Church takes to heart.
 
2013-09-06 09:06:44 AM  
My favorite Pope:
blog.zap2it.com

...but Pope Francis is currently in second place.
 
2013-09-06 09:08:01 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I think he is a really good guy.  I may not agree with him on everything, but he at least seems to be trying to make the world a better place, and at least cares about people.  That said, I think in the long run he is going to be the death of the Catholic Church.  Look at how all the narcissist have ran the church up till now.  It's unlikely that very many of the future popes are going to want to have this guys level of humility and compassion.  The result will be that many Catholics will now see them for what they really are.


Actually, there are exponentially more priest, nuns & brothers like Pope Francis than the Ratzenberger.

The Catholic Church has gone through worse stuff than the pedophile scandals and has always survived.
 
2013-09-06 09:10:51 AM  

capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself. Nothing about actual fatherhood.


Translation notwithstanding, that's still a pretty big deal in and of itself and indicative of Francis' desire for inclusivity in the RCC.
 
2013-09-06 09:12:51 AM  
attitudes sure have changed on Fark.  I remember when he was first in, everyone was all about him being a baby rapist and out for the money.  Funny how when you actually give 'some' people a chance you have the opportunity to see them in a different light...
 
2013-09-06 09:21:07 AM  

hubiestubert: Felgraf: WTF Indeed: It's funny to see people find out what the Jesuits are all about.

Not Catholic, though I did go to a Jesuit university for undergrad.

And while I was bummed that he wasn't one of the more... liberal Jesuits, I do have to remind myself that jesuits are pretty liberal compared to the catholic church anyways.

It has been *hysterical* to watch some of the more entrenched parts of the vatican *totally flipping out* about some of his statements (ESPECIALLY the one regarding atheists.)

One of my better friends is a former Jesuit. He is perhaps one of the kindest men I know, brilliantly trained as a Biblical scholar, and easily one of the most rigorous in his approach to his faith, intellectually and spiritually. He walks the walk, and while he left the order, and left the Church, he is still one of the best living examples I personally know of a good Christian. He also kicks my ass at chess, and for that I equally admire and despise his King's gambit and his Sicilian defense, which he plays through with ruthless efficiency, but what I take away from these games more than his ability to draw games into elaborate traps is that all the while, we can discuss theology and politics in a fashion that illustrates that a man can have and live his faith, without being mired in simplistic dogma, while having a deep appreciation for Scripture. His faith, while no longer tied to the Catholic Church, has been heavily shaped by his time and training, and it has made him thoughtful, considered, and a far better man that I think I can ever be.

The Mother Church has needed a Pope like this for some time. Not just a political player, but a Pope with a heart as well as a head. I hope that he can help the Catholic Bishopry to find a better place, and to reinforce the Church in a role of shelters for the spirit. It's going to take some time to repair a lot of bridges, and his steadfastness about sexual morality is little surprise, but the tone has changed with him, and ...


My father says "Don't confuse your ritual with your religion"

It cuts both ways - people in the church who don't really believe or act in accordance with the true core of the religion, but want to be part of the community and the familiar acts of the ritual.  And people out of the church because they are turned off by the ritual, the habits, the tradition, and the history - but who truly embody the purpose of the thing.

I was hoping for a black pope.  Lots of people would get all huffy and leave the church, and then I could have said "I guess you weren't really Catholic to begin with, were you?"

Better to have 400 million Catholics who really believe and act, than 1 billion who are just in it for tradition's sake.
 
2013-09-06 09:21:58 AM  

jakrabit: Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.

Never seen an atheist confirmation... what's it like?


Something like this

/But with better beer
 
2013-09-06 09:25:23 AM  
I am willing to wait and see, but so far this new Pope has been a breath of fresh air over the last 2-3.

Judy Tenuta might even get a date with him.
 
2013-09-06 09:26:23 AM  
The DNA test results are in Your Holiness, and......you are the father!
 
2013-09-06 09:26:32 AM  

digitalrain: If you believe that God is a loving god, and if you believe that He gave us free will, then that also includes the freedom NOT
to believe in Him. I think that God is more concerned about us being decent to one another than He is about whether or not
we are paying lip service.


You sound like a Unitarian Universalist.  WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, HEATHEN.
 
2013-09-06 09:32:52 AM  
he reassured me that the baby was a gift from God, a sign of Providence.

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2013-09-06 09:40:52 AM  

jakrabit: Tallman: Confirmed atheist here, but I'll say this -- Francis walks the walk when it comes to shepherding his flock. Inasmuch as the point of the church is to provide succor to it's members, he's doing a marvelous job of modeling that as it's titular head (if only more Christians were like him!). Good for him, for comforting a random woman who is in what she sees as a bad situation and reached out to him in her distress.

Never seen an atheist confirmation... what's it like?


There's a lot of alcohol involved.
 
2013-09-06 09:42:39 AM  
I swear, more non-Catholics approve of this Pope than any other Pope I can think of, and that's including JP2. I find it funny that we're all sitting here saying "Hey, good job! Very nice!" and we're all technically not part of the game. I'm okay with that. I think we should be able to judge the leader of a religion for his essential humanity and his ability to manage that religion. I just wonder what Rome thinks of it. "Our numbers are up 2% among Protestants! Yay?"

/Still very glad (and even grateful!) for this Pope
 
2013-09-06 09:43:23 AM  

AngryDragon: capt.hollister: I just checked the original article in Italian. What Pope Francis really said is that if the mother cannot find a priest (ie a spiritual father) to baptize her child, he will do it himself.  Nothing about actual fatherhood

That's actually even cooler.

Teacher in school: "Little Jimmy, did Father O'Malley baptize you"
Jimmy:  "Hell no!  I was baptized by the freaking Pope!"


To be fair, it's not like there's a priest on the planet who'd refuse to do anything for the kid now.

Which might be the point Francis was making, now that I think about it.
 
2013-09-06 09:51:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I like this Pope a lot more than the previous one.


That's a fault of the reporting on him. Stylistically they're quite different but their priorities are virtually identical.
 
2013-09-06 09:51:09 AM  
a pope with a team of image consultants and a PR department, hooray.

are there many people trying to peg him as the antichrist yet?
 
2013-09-06 09:51:33 AM  

Mister Peejay: digitalrain: If you believe that God is a loving god, and if you believe that He gave us free will, then that also includes the freedom NOT
to believe in Him. I think that God is more concerned about us being decent to one another than He is about whether or not
we are paying lip service.

What is His word on partying on, dudes?

/sorry, have bill & ted on the brain


Pretty sure the pope WOULD say, 'be excellent to each other'

/...and
//PARTY ON DUDES!
///slashies
 
2013-09-06 09:51:46 AM  

Aidan: I swear, more non-Catholics approve of this Pope than any other Pope I can think of, and that's including JP2. I find it funny that we're all sitting here saying "Hey, good job! Very nice!" and we're all technically not part of the game. I'm okay with that. I think we should be able to judge the leader of a religion for his essential humanity and his ability to manage that religion. I just wonder what Rome thinks of it. "Our numbers are up 2% among Protestants! Yay?"

/Still very glad (and even grateful!) for this Pope


I don't know about you, but that's how I've generally been with the Dalai Lama.
 
2013-09-06 09:52:55 AM  
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2013-09-06 10:00:04 AM  

GoldDude: That's a nice first impact.
If he wants to make one that would help her more immediately, he should offer to phone the father of the child, and if necessary the WIFE of the father of the child.  I bet the "cad" might reconsider his position on child support (and discretion).


That would be the damn funniest phone call ever.

"Hello, is this Joyce? Hi Joyce, this is Pope Francis. Hey, I wanted to just give you a heads up. I got a call from your husband's secretary, and apparently he's been dipping his pen in the company ink well if you know what I mean. You may want to put that dog on a short leash for a while. Anyhoo, I told the secretary she's kosher with the big guy, but your husband has got some 'splainin' to do."
 
2013-09-06 10:02:07 AM  

Chach: AverageAmericanGuy: I like this Pope a lot more than the previous one.

That's a fault of the reporting on him. Stylistically they're quite different but their priorities are virtually identical.


It's also his physical appearance. Ratz looked pretty evil.
 
2013-09-06 10:04:03 AM  
GO POPE GO!!!
 
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