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(Info Wars)   Syrian rebels admit using chemical weapons to "kill like Osama bin Laden said"   (infowars.com) divider line 364
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2013-09-05 07:43:42 PM
No one will care. This won't even get greened.
 
2013-09-05 07:45:09 PM

Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.


I hope it does.  InfoWars informs me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.
 
2013-09-05 07:51:06 PM

Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.


FTFY
 
2013-09-05 07:55:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.

FTFY


Oh. Its you again.
 
2013-09-05 07:57:52 PM
infowars? yeah, right.
 
2013-09-05 07:58:54 PM
well, rush limbaugh sided with somali pirates over their american hostages in the maersk alabama hijacking, simply because he hates obama's guts - it shouldn't surprise me that alex jones and the rabid right would side with the butcher of damascus in this case.
 
2013-09-05 07:59:38 PM

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.

FTFY

Oh. Its you again.


And you think Infowars has a shred of credibility?  Who knows where that video actually came from.

Still, is it possible the rebels have chemicals weapons?  Sure.  Are all of the rebels using them, member of Al Qaeda, or even fighting for the same cause?  No.

It's a mess over there, I honestly don't care at this point if we get involved or not, but let's not pretend there's some government conspiracy to subvert the public opinion.  Your tinfoil hat might be on too snug.
 
2013-09-05 08:07:38 PM

FlashHarry: infowars? yeah, right.

Agreed!
 
2013-09-05 08:08:25 PM
Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them
 
2013-09-05 08:11:03 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.

FTFY

Oh. Its you again.

And you think Infowars has a shred of credibility?  Who knows where that video actually came from.

Still, is it possible the rebels have chemicals weapons?  Sure.  Are all of the rebels using them, member of Al Qaeda, or even fighting for the same cause?  No.

It's a mess over there, I honestly don't care at this point if we get involved or not, but let's not pretend there's some government conspiracy to subvert the public opinion.  Your tinfoil hat might be on too snug.


Oh, I have no issues agreeing with your point. I'm just still a bit perplexed by you and your suggestion that Detroit should be bailed out by the feds.

That and some of your 2nd amendment stances. So, you always weird me out a little.

I don't buy this video for a second.
 
2013-09-05 08:12:14 PM
Thank you, Drew, for wiping the sweat from your brow and personally greenlighting this article.  This is a defining moment in our country and our voices must be heard.  If the United States goes to war on false pretense and bad information, it will be unprecedented.  The repercussions for our actions will come in the form of an ethical mushroom cloud, and we need to make sure the argument is a slam dunk before we choose to intervene.

TuteTibiImperes: FTFY


Yes, yes, you are correct.  Thank you, InfoWars, for keeping us infromed.
 
2013-09-05 08:13:27 PM

Mike_LowELL: Thank you, Drew, for wiping the sweat from your brow and personally greenlighting this article.  This is a defining moment in our country and our voices must be heard.  If the United States goes to war on false pretense and bad information, it will be unprecedented.  The repercussions for our actions will come in the form of an ethical mushroom cloud, and we need to make sure the argument is a slam dunk before we choose to intervene.

TuteTibiImperes: FTFY

Yes, yes, you are correct.  Thank you, InfoWars, for keeping us infromed.


Notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-09-05 08:14:05 PM
We shouldn't be taking sides at all. We're planning to be the Air Force for al Qaeda sympathizers against an insidious dictator. Saudi Arabia wants us to do something. Well, how about the incredibly wealthy Saudis put those fighter jets and M-1 Abrams tanks we sold them to good use. How about instead of the Saudis giving us lip service support for intervention, we offer them lip service support for intervention for a change? The Arab League should be equipped to handle this. Every time we intervene in Middle East conflicts, it seems like we win more enemies than friends. T. E. Lawrence was right.
 
2013-09-05 08:16:45 PM
Sorry, link directs to Alex Jones.  Computer may crash due to the derp level.
 
2013-09-05 08:19:57 PM

Nabb1: We shouldn't be taking sides at all. We're planning to be the Air Force for al Qaeda sympathizers against an insidious dictator. Saudi Arabia wants us to do something. Well, how about the incredibly wealthy Saudis put those fighter jets and M-1 Abrams tanks we sold them to good use. How about instead of the Saudis giving us lip service support for intervention, we offer them lip service support for intervention for a change? The Arab League should be equipped to handle this. Every time we intervene in Middle East conflicts, it seems like we win more enemies than friends. T. E. Lawrence was right.


Them and the French, who have been talking smack, should feel free to jump right in to this mess, if they think action is so important.

There are no good guys in Syria. There is no "winning" there.
 
2013-09-05 08:23:17 PM

Calmamity: Nabb1: We shouldn't be taking sides at all. We're planning to be the Air Force for al Qaeda sympathizers against an insidious dictator. Saudi Arabia wants us to do something. Well, how about the incredibly wealthy Saudis put those fighter jets and M-1 Abrams tanks we sold them to good use. How about instead of the Saudis giving us lip service support for intervention, we offer them lip service support for intervention for a change? The Arab League should be equipped to handle this. Every time we intervene in Middle East conflicts, it seems like we win more enemies than friends. T. E. Lawrence was right.

Them and the French, who have been talking smack, should feel free to jump right in to this mess, if they think action is so important.

There are no good guys in Syria. There is no "winning" there.


Shhh. Anyone against the war must be a republitard derper. Duh.
 
2013-09-05 08:33:26 PM
"There is no winning here."
 
2013-09-05 08:42:39 PM

FlashHarry: infowars? yeah, right.

 
2013-09-05 08:43:11 PM

FlashHarry: infowars? yeah, right.

 
2013-09-05 08:43:20 PM
Infowars... and to think I almost took the headline seriously.
 
2013-09-05 08:44:12 PM
This is an example of amateurs trying to create fake evidence.  They need to leave this kind of work to government professionals.
 
2013-09-05 08:44:19 PM
Alex Jones' Infowars?

Seems legit.
 
2013-09-05 08:44:51 PM
Can you buy chemical weapons from those on-line places in Utah?
 
2013-09-05 08:44:52 PM
TheDumbBlonde: "There is no winning here."

how about a nice game of chess?
 
2013-09-05 08:44:54 PM
ohmygodwhothehellcares.jpg

There is no good reason to "intervene" in Syria (and by "intervene" I mean "shoot motherfarkers in the face and kill innocent bystanders"). It doesn't matter what evidence for or against chemical weapons or what, it's all farking bullshiat and, frankly, given the US's tendency to use chemical weapons routinely against people for heinous crimes like "illegal camping" or "singing" it's the height of farking hypocrisy to even suggest it has some kind of moral responsibility or prerogative here.

Don't. Just farking don't. We will anyway, because capitalist trash demand it to buff their bottom lines, but there's no good reason for it.
 
2013-09-05 08:44:59 PM
assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-05 08:45:33 PM
"Syrian rebels" admitting to using chemical weapons.

That's like the Rolling 80 Crips "admitting" to using MAC-10s.
 
2013-09-05 08:45:43 PM
Alright I'm perfectly willing to believe that some rebel groups may be using chemical weapons but are there any sources that have more credibility?
 
2013-09-05 08:46:17 PM
Isn't that a highly legit source?
 
2013-09-05 08:47:12 PM
 
2013-09-05 08:48:08 PM
img1.fark.net, subby? really? Really?
 
2013-09-05 08:48:08 PM
I vote for whatever makes my gas cheaper,dammit.  God bless 'Murica!
 
2013-09-05 08:50:19 PM
Infowars: Continuing Their Ongoing War Against Info!
 
2013-09-05 08:51:36 PM

Kit Fister: Shhh. Anyone against the war must be a republitard derper. Duh.


It's one thing to be against the war because Syria is a nightmare with no way to a good outcome and potentially no benefit to intervening whatsoever and another to be against it because Obama.

I'd prefer we didn't get involved either, and I hope that doesn't bite us in the ass in regards to chemical weapons down the line, but if you're going to pretend Obama's red line was about missiles flying immediately, you're probably a republitard derper.
 
2013-09-05 08:51:59 PM
Just more govt propaganda.Like the hackers and the American Soldiers hiding behind signs.
 
2013-09-05 08:53:06 PM
It's hilarious that Infowars still exists.

I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm just saying that the fact that they report something makes me more likely to believe the opposite. If they do what they do in earnest, they only do damage to their cause.
 
2013-09-05 08:53:49 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]


Charlie Sheen is in Syria?
 
2013-09-05 08:54:30 PM
Fark really needs to show the link source in the mobile version.
 
2013-09-05 08:54:57 PM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


you mean like when he was spouting that bull**** about the NSA having this huge spying program called prism that was sucking up data on everything from everyone... yeah what a load of... oh wait... FFFFFF I hate it when these crazy assholes turn out to be right...

Maybe we SHOULD wait for the UN to come back with definitive findings BEFORE we start launching shiat into other countries.

What if we find out that this is some cottage industry sarin like the Russians said it is... and that the missiles came from Saudi Arabia through AL Q connections.

Imagine how farking stupid we'd look if we did something and killed people... and it turned out we were wrong AGAIN.. JUST LIKE IN IRAQ.

Seriously... I hate to admit it... but in this one isolated instance I'd much rather NOT act before we know for a fact that Alex jone's tin foil hat squad aren't right.
 
2013-09-05 08:55:24 PM
img.fark.net =
fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-09-05 08:56:48 PM

freak7: Here's why you shouldn't trust anything coming out of Syria


They play soccer?
 
2013-09-05 08:57:05 PM
Jeez...both Alex Jones and Dennis Kucinich warn of an Al-Qaeda takeover of Syria if Assad is ousted.  Proof that conspiracy theories know no political boundaries.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:22 PM
The U.S. used willie pete in Iraq.  No ethical high ground in sight.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:37 PM

Bell-fan: Seriously... I hate to admit it... but in this one isolated instance I'd much rather NOT act before we know for a fact that Alex jone's tin foil hat squad aren't right.


As my friend's dad used to say "Even if the retarded kid eats his own shiat, he can still be right when he says it's raining."
 
2013-09-05 08:58:30 PM

freak7: Here's why you shouldn't trust anything coming out of Syria


Wait. LIsten. Is that the Ice Cream truck I hear in the background?
 
2013-09-05 08:58:36 PM
Infowars? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvvPIaYrSo I gotta admit Jones is as entertaining as all hell in addition to being a charlatan; this video will provide you with extensive Jones lulz.
 
2013-09-05 08:58:48 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]


Lucky bastard.  No wonder the rebels want what he has.

Also, I now believe that the rebels used the chemical weapons LESS than I did before, simply because Infowars says the did.
 
2013-09-05 08:59:23 PM
All war is deception
~ Sun Tzu
 
2013-09-05 08:59:49 PM

zappaisfrank: [img.fark.net image 77x27] =
[fc09.deviantart.net image 400x722]


Agreed, but with fart noises.
 
2013-09-05 09:00:24 PM
Is there some way we can ask drew disallow green lighting of infowars crap?
 
2013-09-05 09:00:32 PM

Bell-fan: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

you mean like when he was spouting that bull**** about the NSA having this huge spying program called prism that was sucking up data on everything from everyone... yeah what a load of... oh wait... FFFFFF I hate it when these crazy assholes turn out to be right...

Maybe we SHOULD wait for the UN to come back with definitive findings BEFORE we start launching shiat into other countries.

What if we find out that this is some cottage industry sarin like the Russians said it is... and that the missiles came from Saudi Arabia through AL Q connections.

Imagine how farking stupid we'd look if we did something and killed people... and it turned out we were wrong AGAIN.. JUST LIKE IN IRAQ.

Seriously... I hate to admit it... but in this one isolated instance I'd much rather NOT act before we know for a fact that Alex jone's tin foil hat squad aren't right.

 
2013-09-05 09:02:52 PM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


www.playingwithwords365.com
"...The conspiracy theorist says, 'Cuckoo! Cuckoo!'"
 
2013-09-05 09:03:03 PM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


The cow goes MOO!!?!?! Nice try, liberals.
 
2013-09-05 09:03:55 PM

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: zappaisfrank: [img.fark.net image 77x27] =
[fc09.deviantart.net image 400x722]

Agreed, but with fart noises.


Agreed.
 
2013-09-05 09:06:05 PM

bluorangefyre: Sorry, link directs to Alex Jones.  Computer may crash due to the derp level.


progressivepopulist.org
"You can't HANDLE it!!!!!"
 
2013-09-05 09:06:39 PM
Drawing the beast into a trap?

Whatever we do, the US cannot afford to put itself at risk. We need to Watch our back. It could be a trap.
 
2013-09-05 09:08:03 PM
In fact the reactions to this incident has me thinking the Cold War was never really over.
 
2013-09-05 09:08:46 PM
Amazing! Simply miraculous how all this "evidence" comes magically to light just as the POTUS makes a case to kill more Americans at the behest of the Arabs and Israelis.
 
2013-09-05 09:09:31 PM

runwiz: This is an example of amateurs trying to create fake evidence.  They need to leave this kind of work to government professionals.


cdn.uproxx.com
"Now just a goddamn minute h- ...I mean, yeah! That's what I was- ...um, wait..."
 
2013-09-05 09:10:14 PM
I thought img1.fark.net always had a i.imgur.com tag?
 
2013-09-05 09:11:38 PM

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.

FTFY

Oh. Its you again.


upload.wikimedia.org
/hot
 
2013-09-05 09:12:13 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria


crow's feet, amirite?

anyway, it's now clear that Obama wants to join with al-kada because he covets Assads milf wife.. and he wants that fat bounty from the arabs
 
2013-09-05 09:12:15 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]


Funny, she doesn't look like a goat
 
2013-09-05 09:13:09 PM

2wolves: The U.S. used willie pete in Iraq.  No ethical high ground in sight.


?? Nobody is claiming an ethical high ground. Just because we did something wrong, does that mean we cannot also decry someone else doing something wrong? Or does that mean we have to allow equal wrongs until everyone gets a chance to use illegal weapons in some kind of horrible tit-for-tat?
 
2013-09-05 09:13:30 PM

Prophet of Loss: at the behest of the Arabs and Israelis.


Ya wanna look that part over Mr. Happy?
 
2013-09-05 09:13:35 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]


Why does she dye her roots a different color? Balls around her neck? Is that the new burqa?
 
2013-09-05 09:13:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: 2wolves: The U.S. used willie pete in Iraq.  No ethical high ground in sight.

?? Nobody is claiming an ethical high ground. Just because we did something wrong, does that mean we cannot also decry someone else doing something wrong? Or does that mean we have to allow equal wrongs until everyone gets a chance to use illegal weapons in some kind of horrible tit-for-tat?


Step 1: Admit your mistake

So far we haven't made it past this one.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:16 PM
Wait that's impossible. Infowars told me 9/11 was a controlled demolition perpetrated by our government. Osama Bin Laden was just a patsy.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:19 PM

Emposter: Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]

Lucky bastard.  No wonder the rebels want what he has.

Also, I now believe that the rebels used the chemical weapons LESS than I did before, simply because Infowars says the did.


Exactly.

Inforwars can actually be a great way to get information--you just have to remember to believe the opposite of everything they say.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:20 PM
Well if Alex Jones is reporting it you know it must be true!

/cough cough
 
2013-09-05 09:14:37 PM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]


politicalscrapbook.net

Sorry Darling
 
2013-09-05 09:14:40 PM

Kuroshin: Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria
[janeontheblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x750]

Charlie Sheen is in Syria?


spin-onehalf.com
 
2013-09-05 09:15:34 PM

2wolves: Prophet of Loss: at the behest of the Arabs and Israelis.

Ya wanna look that part over Mr. Happy?


Both sides are pushing for us to get involved. You have a problem with that?
 
2013-09-05 09:16:06 PM

Mike_LowELL: Thank you, Drew, for wiping the sweat from your brow and personally greenlighting this article.  This is a defining moment in our country and our voices must be heard.  If the United States goes to war on false pretense and bad information, it will be unprecedented.  The repercussions for our actions will come in the form of an ethical mushroom cloud, and we need to make sure the argument is a slam dunk before we choose to intervene.



I think I see what you did there....
 
2013-09-05 09:16:14 PM
Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
 
2013-09-05 09:16:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: 2wolves: The U.S. used willie pete in Iraq.  No ethical high ground in sight.

?? Nobody is claiming an ethical high ground. Just because we did something wrong, does that mean we cannot also decry someone else doing something wrong? Or does that mean we have to allow equal wrongs until everyone gets a chance to use illegal weapons in some kind of horrible tit-for-tat?


It means that if Paraguay invaded the U.S. to find the troops that used WP our government should not have a problem.
 
2013-09-05 09:18:16 PM

Prophet of Loss: 2wolves: Prophet of Loss: at the behest of the Arabs and Israelis.

Ya wanna look that part over Mr. Happy?

Both sides are pushing for us to get involved. You have a problem with that?


Different factions of each of those larger groups are lobbying for involvement,  So is General Dynamics.
 
2013-09-05 09:19:28 PM

spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Not at the poles.
 
2013-09-05 09:19:58 PM

Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.


Not if it's a digital clock.
 
2013-09-05 09:20:35 PM
According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."
 
2013-09-05 09:21:36 PM

2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.


Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"
 
2013-09-05 09:21:41 PM
hey here's an idea:

USA lets brown people kill each other for free, spends your money helping Americans.

It's your tax money, your future social security, now being spent CONSTANTLY to murder brown folk overseas.
 
2013-09-05 09:22:06 PM

2wolves: Prophet of Loss: 2wolves: Prophet of Loss: at the behest of the Arabs and Israelis.

Ya wanna look that part over Mr. Happy?

Both sides are pushing for us to get involved. You have a problem with that?

Different factions of each of those larger groups are lobbying for involvement,  So is General Dynamics.


Well the truth is both Arabs and Israelis are pushing hard for us to get involved. Argo, they want Americans to die on their behalf. Anyone else who wants that puts them in the same immoral boat.

Fight your own damn wars.
 
2013-09-05 09:22:10 PM

spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


nope. FoxNEWS will run with this tomorrow and, being the number one name in news 15 years and running, even more folks will see Barack bin Obama for the aQ supporter he is
 
2013-09-05 09:22:37 PM
  Here's the real conspiracy theory- Alex Jones and his ilk are puppets for the system. They spout 99% gibberish and the ever so occasional nugget of truth. Look- no one looks for diamonds in the sewer. If someone told you there were diamonds under all the crap you wouldn't believe them. If a credible person told you about the diamonds, you would think they were gullible or stupid. All you've ever seen in the sewer is shiat and you will not believe anything to the contrary.
  The thing is that maybe the sewer is the best place of all to hide diamonds. Once a story has been tainted with the conspiracy label legitimate journalists will not touch it. It's not about control of the information itself. The only thing that matters is the public's perception of the information.
  That's the real Info War... if you believe that kind of thing. Us cool kids know that conspiracy stuff is all bullshiat. Right?
 
2013-09-05 09:22:49 PM
cdn.uproxx.com

"You can't use chemicals to kill your own people! You have to do it organically."
 
2013-09-05 09:22:55 PM
Obama calls Kerry a liar on Syria.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/09/05/obama-kerry-putin-sy r ia-russia-g-20/2769683/

Note: An earlier version of this post had a mistaken headline.
 
2013-09-05 09:23:00 PM
Seems legit.
 
2013-09-05 09:23:33 PM

Calmamity: Nabb1: We shouldn't be taking sides at all. We're planning to be the Air Force for al Qaeda sympathizers against an insidious dictator. Saudi Arabia wants us to do something. Well, how about the incredibly wealthy Saudis put those fighter jets and M-1 Abrams tanks we sold them to good use. How about instead of the Saudis giving us lip service support for intervention, we offer them lip service support for intervention for a change? The Arab League should be equipped to handle this. Every time we intervene in Middle East conflicts, it seems like we win more enemies than friends. T. E. Lawrence was right.

Them and the French, who have been talking smack, should feel free to jump right in to this mess, if they think action is so important.

There are no good guys in Syria. There is no "winning" there.


What if we send Charlie Sheen to attack them?
 
2013-09-05 09:24:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"


i1089.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-05 09:24:43 PM

Aristocles: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

nope. FoxNEWS will run with this tomorrow and, being the number one name in news 15 years and running, even more folks will see Barack bin Obama for the aQ supporter he is


Dude.  Come on.  Are you feeling okay?  That was...just awful.
 
2013-09-05 09:25:21 PM

Prophet of Loss: Argo


That was the name of the ship captained by Jason.
 
2013-09-05 09:25:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"


If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

Again, except at the poles.
 
2013-09-05 09:27:18 PM

Kuroshin: If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.


You have to be quite the cheap ass to get a digital clock that doesn't have the AM/PM designation.
 
2013-09-05 09:27:51 PM
I find it odd how people frame things.

We don't want to aid a vicious dictator and we don't want to aid rebels that might be Al Qaeda sympathizers.

That's all fine and good. But is that really enough reason to just sit back and do nothing while innocent civilians are stuck in the crossfire?

I realize that we don't get involved in a great many conflicts where innocent people are being hurt. But to just openly say "there's no benefit for us to get involved, so suck it civilians" is a biatchilling.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:15 PM

spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


I'm sceptical, but then again Al Qaeda has a tendency to create martyrs (willing or not) for their cause.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:20 PM
LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?
 
2013-09-05 09:29:28 PM

GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator


Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.
 
2013-09-05 09:29:30 PM

Mrtraveler01: Kuroshin: If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

You have to be quite the cheap ass to get a digital clock that doesn't have the AM/PM designation.


What did you call me?  I'll have you know that I spent a good $50 for my stopped digital clock!  And it has neither AM nor PM designations!  You want to know whether it's morning or night?  Look out the window, pleb!

/should have bought a clock that wasn't stopped...
 
2013-09-05 09:30:08 PM

2wolves: GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator

Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.


Until they become troublesome, at which point we kill them.
 
2013-09-05 09:31:14 PM

Kuroshin: 2wolves: GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator

Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.

Until they become troublesome, at which point we kill them.


Or have them killed.  Six of one...
 
2013-09-05 09:31:43 PM
there is no good to come out of any of this. if those folks wish to continue attacking each other and destroying their youth,let them. let them kill each other. seal our borders,quit letting these maniacal fools immigrate to any country other then their own. let them kill each other off. its time to stop letting them pollute the lands where human rights are held dear. stop all trade and support for these country's. it is way past time for western nations to just leave these countrys in the dust. they are polluting the world with their backwards ideals. the usa does not need to spend one more dime on these awfull countrys. just draw a line on the map and declare there be monsters here. because there is.anyone wishing to travel there is on their own. just ignore and dont trade with them. let them figure it out. just dont let em out of the box. hem them in and dont let any of them out. sure there will be a lot of innocents killed but at least we wont be blamed for it. there is nothing there the western world really needs, we dont need to keep kissing their butts.let em kill each other off.
 
2013-09-05 09:32:12 PM

2wolves: GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator

Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.


I am not talking about the policies of the US. I am talking about the attitudes of citizens.
 
2013-09-05 09:32:31 PM
Infowars.

lol...


Anyone have a link to that fat, dopey infowars moron getting told off after the boston marathon?

Pretty funny.
 
2013-09-05 09:34:01 PM

GhostFish: 2wolves: GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator

Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.

I am not talking about the policies of the US. I am talking about the attitudes of citizens.


Since when has that mattered?
 
2013-09-05 09:34:49 PM

GhostFish: I realize that we don't get involved in a great many conflicts where innocent people are being hurt. But to just openly say "there's no benefit for us to get involved, so suck it civilians" is a biatchilling.


We hear the same argument with every intervention and somehow they just keep killing each other.

I'm sorry for rolling this cliche out, but - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
2013-09-05 09:35:32 PM

porterm: there is no good to come out of any of this. if those folks wish to continue attacking each other and destroying their youth,let them. let them kill each other. seal our borders,quit letting these maniacal fools immigrate to any country other then their own. let them kill each other off. its time to stop letting them pollute the lands where human rights are held dear. stop all trade and support for these country's. it is way past time for western nations to just leave these countrys in the dust. they are polluting the world with their backwards ideals. the usa does not need to spend one more dime on these awfull countrys. just draw a line on the map and declare there be monsters here. because there is.anyone wishing to travel there is on their own. just ignore and dont trade with them. let them figure it out. just dont let em out of the box. hem them in and dont let any of them out. sure there will be a lot of innocents killed but at least we wont be blamed for it. there is nothing there the western world really needs, we dont need to keep kissing their butts.let em kill each other off.


And then when the ruthless Islamists win control and access to the resources and firepower of their enslaved nations, nothing will come of it.
 
2013-09-05 09:36:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."


This. Backmasking. Are we really going to let Satan get away with this?
 
2013-09-05 09:36:56 PM

Kuroshin: Aristocles: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

nope. FoxNEWS will run with this tomorrow and, being the number one name in news 15 years and running, even more folks will see Barack bin Obama for the aQ supporter he is

Dude.  Come on.  Are you feeling okay?  That was...just awful.


hey man, I'm on the east coast. it's bin beer tirty for hours!
 
2013-09-05 09:37:27 PM
Regarding innocent civilians. 10% of the Syrian population has already left the country. My proposal is to force a truce, let anyone who wants to leave go, then let whoever's left fight to out, anyway they want.
 
2013-09-05 09:37:52 PM

Kuroshin: Mrtraveler01: Kuroshin: If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

You have to be quite the cheap ass to get a digital clock that doesn't have the AM/PM designation.

What did you call me?  I'll have you know that I spent a good $50 for my stopped digital clock!  And it has neither AM nor PM designations!  You want to know whether it's morning or night?  Look out the window, pleb!

/should have bought a clock that wasn't stopped...


I need that AM/PM light damnit!!! Without it, I will not be able to function properly!
 
2013-09-05 09:38:25 PM

GhostFish: 2wolves: GhostFish: We don't want to aid a vicious dictator

Since when?  The U.S. is infamous for supporting dictators.

I am not talking about the policies of the US. I am talking about the attitudes of citizens.


Are these the Citizens United citizens or those of us that work?
 
2013-09-05 09:38:32 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?


You forgot the depleted uranium.
 
2013-09-05 09:38:37 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?


+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance
 
2013-09-05 09:38:42 PM

GhostFish: porterm: there is no good to come out of any of this. if those folks wish to continue attacking each other and destroying their youth,let them. let them kill each other. seal our borders,quit letting these maniacal fools immigrate to any country other then their own. let them kill each other off. its time to stop letting them pollute the lands where human rights are held dear. stop all trade and support for these country's. it is way past time for western nations to just leave these countrys in the dust. they are polluting the world with their backwards ideals. the usa does not need to spend one more dime on these awfull countrys. just draw a line on the map and declare there be monsters here. because there is.anyone wishing to travel there is on their own. just ignore and dont trade with them. let them figure it out. just dont let em out of the box. hem them in and dont let any of them out. sure there will be a lot of innocents killed but at least we wont be blamed for it. there is nothing there the western world really needs, we dont need to keep kissing their butts.let em kill each other off.

And then when the ruthless Islamists win control and access to the resources and firepower of their enslaved nations, nothing will come of it.


I'd like to introduce you to this little place called Pakistan...

And Iran...

And a few other places, but this is becoming even too snide for me.

Point is, they've got them.  Amazingly, they tend to use them more for enforcing their own little theological hellholes.  They don't have desires on the world, just their world.
 
2013-09-05 09:39:03 PM

GhostFish: porterm: there is no good to come out of any of this. if those folks wish to continue attacking each other and destroying their youth,let them. let them kill each other. seal our borders,quit letting these maniacal fools immigrate to any country other then their own. let them kill each other off. its time to stop letting them pollute the lands where human rights are held dear. stop all trade and support for these country's. it is way past time for western nations to just leave these countrys in the dust. they are polluting the world with their backwards ideals. the usa does not need to spend one more dime on these awfull countrys. just draw a line on the map and declare there be monsters here. because there is.anyone wishing to travel there is on their own. just ignore and dont trade with them. let them figure it out. just dont let em out of the box. hem them in and dont let any of them out. sure there will be a lot of innocents killed but at least we wont be blamed for it. there is nothing there the western world really needs, we dont need to keep kissing their butts.let em kill each other off.

And then when the ruthless Islamists win control and access to the resources and firepower of their enslaved nations, nothing will come of it.


Outside intervention is why the extremists were able to take over in the first place.
 
2013-09-05 09:41:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: Kuroshin: Mrtraveler01: Kuroshin: If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

You have to be quite the cheap ass to get a digital clock that doesn't have the AM/PM designation.

What did you call me?  I'll have you know that I spent a good $50 for my stopped digital clock!  And it has neither AM nor PM designations!  You want to know whether it's morning or night?  Look out the window, pleb!

/should have bought a clock that wasn't stopped...

I need that AM/PM light damnit!!! Without it, I will not be able to function properly!


use military time
 
2013-09-05 09:42:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."


That was cool and refreshing.
 
2013-09-05 09:42:40 PM

spamdog: GhostFish: I realize that we don't get involved in a great many conflicts where innocent people are being hurt. But to just openly say "there's no benefit for us to get involved, so suck it civilians" is a biatchilling.

We hear the same argument with every intervention and somehow they just keep killing each other.

I'm sorry for rolling this cliche out, but - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


I'm not arguing for or against.

But I believe the idea is to stem/reduce the loss of innocent life in the here and now - not bring everlasting peace.

If we've decided that we'd rather abandon the innocent to the horrors of living in a warzone that embraces scorched earth strategies, then so be it. I'd just like us to be clear and honest with ourselves that is our intent and that we're okay with that.
 
2013-09-05 09:43:02 PM
Infowars had two stories ready to go.  If Obama came out in support of action against Syria, it was this.  If he came out against action, it was 0BUMMER WORKED WITH ASSAD TO MURDER CIVILIANS, YOU'RE NEXT.
 
2013-09-05 09:45:58 PM

freak7: Here's why you shouldn't trust anything coming out of Syria


Hmm, those were egyptians, or actors holding egyptian signs, not syrians. There were also no examples of newspapers publishing photos from the scenes portrayed in that video. So, no proof those staged scenes ever infiltrated western news agencies.

Unless you have better credible examples, I'll get news from news agencies and not youtube.
 
2013-09-05 09:46:37 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."

That was cool and refreshing.


You need to sit on the Group W bench.

/didn't think that was too obscure
 
2013-09-05 09:47:13 PM

GhostFish: spamdog: GhostFish: I realize that we don't get involved in a great many conflicts where innocent people are being hurt. But to just openly say "there's no benefit for us to get involved, so suck it civilians" is a biatchilling.

We hear the same argument with every intervention and somehow they just keep killing each other.

I'm sorry for rolling this cliche out, but - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm not arguing for or against.

But I believe the idea is to stem/reduce the loss of innocent life in the here and now - not bring everlasting peace.

If we've decided that we'd rather abandon the innocent to the horrors of living in a warzone that embraces scorched earth strategies, then so be it. I'd just like us to be clear and honest with ourselves that is our intent and that we're okay with that.


Unless the action taken is "get those innocents the fark out of that geographical location" then I'm fine with leaving the hell alone.  The only other option is persistent occupation and essentially just building a globe-spanning empire.  Slapping sticks out of their hands doesn't do anything at all.  The will to fight is still there.  Where there is a will, there is a way, and that way is a very generous arms market.

Evacuation
Occupation
Apathy

Pick one.
 
2013-09-05 09:48:12 PM

Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"


12:00 happens twice a day (in non-military time).  tmyk
 
2013-09-05 09:48:48 PM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."


Imma play hopscotch in your chest cavity! I'm gonna floss my teeth... with your face! I'm gonna make hammocks, from your eye lids! You're gonna be my new meat bicycle! I like my victims like I like my coffee... in the butt!
 
2013-09-05 09:50:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."



I was born into this life
To a drunk father and a rented wife
Who layed down in a concrete bed
Who layed dark thoughts inside my head

But they don't know
No they don't know

Nothings wrong, nothings right
Nothing feels quite alright
Watching my fists turn white
Turn the lips into eyes

Nothings right, nothings wrong
Nothing makes me belong
All the kids sing swan songs
All the kids sing along with me

I, I want to kill tonight
I want to kill tonight
I, I want to kill tonight
I want to kill tonight

I was born into this world
Some kind of sinister little girl
I let jesus off the christ
And drag his face into the moss

But they don't know
No they don't know

Nothings wrong, nothings right
Nothing feels quite as right
Watching my fists turn white
Turn the lips into eyes

Nothings right, nothings wrong
Nothing makes me belong
All the kids sing swan songs
All the kids sing along with me

I, I want to kill tonight
I want to kill tonight
I, I want to kill tonight
I want to kill tonight
 
2013-09-05 09:50:56 PM

IronTom: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

12:00 happens twice a day (in non-military time).  tmyk


not if the Farklib don't set the clock. the it blinks 12:00 allday...

Just heard great News! ot

ms. Laura will be hosting the facto tomorrw
 
2013-09-05 09:51:25 PM
Infowars
infowars

fark those guys. i immediately know that what i'm reading is garbage.
 
2013-09-05 09:52:10 PM
As much as I wanted the headline to be correct, farking infowars.

/credibility like no other
//as in "zero" credibility
 
2013-09-05 09:54:26 PM
Are you ready, Steve? Andy? Mick?
Alright, fellas, let's go...
 
2013-09-05 09:56:06 PM

2wolves: Prophet of Loss: Argo

That was the name of the ship captained by Jason.


It's also the film that gave me hope for Ben Affleck.
 
2013-09-05 09:56:34 PM

Empty Matchbook: Infowars: Continuing Their Ongoing War Against Info!


And winning!
 
2013-09-05 09:57:46 PM

Kit Fister: Mike_LowELL: Thank you, Drew, for wiping the sweat from your brow and personally greenlighting this article.  This is a defining moment in our country and our voices must be heard.  If the United States goes to war on false pretense and bad information, it will be unprecedented.  The repercussions for our actions will come in the form of an ethical mushroom cloud, and we need to make sure the argument is a slam dunk before we choose to intervene.

TuteTibiImperes: FTFY

Yes, yes, you are correct.  Thank you, InfoWars, for keeping us infromed.

Notsureifserious.jpg


You must be new here.
 
2013-09-05 10:02:01 PM

Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"


A broken digital clock isn't showing anything.
 
2013-09-05 10:05:18 PM

LoneWolf343: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

A broken digital clock isn't showing anything.


Neither is a broken analog clock, if it's broken because the arms fell off.
 
2013-09-05 10:05:57 PM
There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.
 
2013-09-05 10:06:02 PM

LoneWolf343: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

A broken digital clock isn't showing anything.


Doesn't that depend on what's wrong with it? I have an old one where the hour set button is stuck, so it's "broken" and it's right more or less all the time except during daylight savings time, then it's an hour off.
 
2013-09-05 10:06:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"


It's twelve o'clock twice a day, at least where I live...
 
2013-09-05 10:07:34 PM

spamdog: There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.


I think InfoWars are a bunch of crackpots, but I have heard these allegations reported by more reputable sources as well.
 
2013-09-05 10:09:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

It's twelve o'clock twice a day, at least where I live...


Mine usually has the AM light blink with the "12:00".

/Loves how we're arguing more about clocks than Syria
 
2013-09-05 10:11:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: /Loves how we're arguing more about clocks than Syria


More likely to get somewhere...
 
2013-09-05 10:15:48 PM
Not clicking on a potatowars link.
 
2013-09-05 10:16:27 PM
Anyone else think Obama pulled this Syria debate to get people to shut the fark up about the Affordable Care act causing the downfall society?
 
2013-09-05 10:17:15 PM

spamdog: There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.


Do you think that the evidence that Assad's regime carried out the attack is stronger or weaker than the evidence put forward by the Bush administration in support of their claims prior to the invasion of Iraq?
 
2013-09-05 10:18:46 PM

Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.


Fark you man...
You were wrong and I hate Alex jones.
 
2013-09-05 10:19:24 PM

vygramul: Not clicking on a potatowars link.


Another one shooting the messenger, despite there being credible links to the BBC and Reuters in there.
 
2013-09-05 10:21:49 PM

spamdog: vygramul: Not clicking on a potatowars link.

Another one shooting the messenger, despite there being credible links to the BBC and Reuters in there.


I don't click on intentional liars.
 
2013-09-05 10:22:57 PM

StopLurkListen: [img1.fark.net image 77x27], subby? really? Really?


Wouldn't click that link with subby's dick
 
2013-09-05 10:23:10 PM

Gwendolyn: Anyone else think Obama pulled this Syria debate to get people to shut the fark up about the Affordable Care act causing the downfall society?


Do I think he would bomb people and kill hundreds or even thousands to stop people from complaining about Obamacare? Only if he's a total farking psychopath.
 
2013-09-05 10:23:55 PM

fusillade762: Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."

Imma play hopscotch in your chest cavity! I'm gonna floss my teeth... with your face! I'm gonna make hammocks, from your eye lids! You're gonna be my new meat bicycle! I like my victims like I like my coffee... in the butt!


With tittays.
 
2013-09-05 10:26:26 PM

Biological Ali: Do you think that the evidence that Assad's regime carried out the attack is stronger or weaker than the evidence put forward by the Bush administration in support of their claims prior to the invasion of Iraq?


I think they're just about the same.
 
2013-09-05 10:26:57 PM

NOLA_farkette: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

Fark you man...
You were wrong and I hate Alex jones.


Well don't look at me, I ain't a mod.
 
2013-09-05 10:29:08 PM

spamdog: There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.


How divorced from reality can you get?

There isn't much in the way of a partisan push for or against this. Both the left and the right are pretty split, with big names on both sides calling out for and against.

Inforwars is trash and it was picked by the submitter to get a reaction. If you have a problem with people shooting the messenger then take it up with the submitter who intended for it to happen.
 
2013-09-05 10:30:56 PM

big pig peaches: Fark really needs to show the link source in the mobile version.


It does, which is why I knew not to click the link.

Look under the headline, to the right. You may have to increase your text size slightly. No picture, because it's a pain in the ass to do from my phone, but here's the C&P:


Syrian rebels admit using chemical weapons to "kill like Osama bin Laden said"

05 Sep 2013 08:39 PM | 3665 clicks | Info Wars
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2013-09-05 10:34:23 PM
The rebels are savages. Many are openly allied with AQ. Whether they are responsible for chem attacks or not, let's not rush headlong into their "noble" cause.
 
2013-09-05 10:35:44 PM
Is there a way to just not see InfoWars posts? Like some sort of setting I can turn on/off? It's almost as if there was NAMBLA news being posted. It's that level of offensiveness, and everybody knows it, probably even those who think it's real.
 
2013-09-05 10:35:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."


You're our boy!
 
2013-09-05 10:36:41 PM

GhostFish: Inforwars is trash and it was picked by the submitter to get a reaction. If you have a problem with people shooting the messenger then take it up with the submitter who intended for it to happen.


No. As a matter of fact I will call out farkers for being reactionary when the article does indeed have some credible sources in it.

There's quite a bit of reasonable doubt about the US government's claims, but it's all getting swept under the rug by angry reactionaries like you, just the same as doubts about the Iraq war claims were.

I would bet a hundred dollars you didn't even go to the article and read the linked pieces, even after I told you. And here you are angrily telling me off for telling people to think again.

Like I said, reactionary as fark.
 
2013-09-05 10:37:04 PM
Infowars is bad and the subby & trollerator should feel bad.
 
2013-09-05 10:37:45 PM

FnkyTwn: Is there a way to just not see InfoWars posts? Like some sort of setting I can turn on/off? It's almost as if there was NAMBLA news being posted. It's that level of offensiveness, and everybody knows it, probably even those who think it's real.


You can probably get a plug-in that will filter them out but the easiest way not to see Infowars stories is to not click on the links
 
2013-09-05 10:37:45 PM

Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.


You're new here, aren't you?

*clicks profile*

OK, apparently you haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-09-05 10:38:53 PM

spamdog: vygramul: Not clicking on a potatowars link.

Another one shooting the messenger, despite there being credible links to the BBC and Reuters in there.


Those links have nothing to do with what that article (and this thread) are about - i.e., the authenticity of this video. Moreover, those links are all about an attack that took place in March in Aleppo - and not the one that took place in August in Damascus, which is what's in the news now. It's not clear who carried out that attack (a small-scale attack that killed about 30 people, mostly soldiers) - there's a Russian report claiming that it was likely done by the rebels based on their, but there's also been news of a Syrian defector who says that it was carried out by Assad.

With the attack in Damascus, however - the one that killed over a thousand people, including more than 400 children - there is nothing to suggest the rebels carried it out. The idea this attack was carried out by anybody other than Assad's regime is farfetched to say the least, and there's a reason that the article's claims about the Damascus attack all link back to infowars.
 
2013-09-05 10:39:16 PM

skullkrusher: The rebels are savages. Many are openly allied with AQ. Whether they are responsible for chem attacks or not, let's not rush headlong into their "noble" cause.


Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.
 
2013-09-05 10:40:21 PM

2wolves: skullkrusher: The rebels are savages. Many are openly allied with AQ. Whether they are responsible for chem attacks or not, let's not rush headlong into their "noble" cause.

Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.


does it matter? Attacking the regime is assisting all those who resist the regime.
 
2013-09-05 10:42:21 PM

spamdog: GhostFish: Inforwars is trash and it was picked by the submitter to get a reaction. If you have a problem with people shooting the messenger then take it up with the submitter who intended for it to happen.

No. As a matter of fact I will call out farkers for being reactionary when the article does indeed have some credible sources in it.

There's quite a bit of reasonable doubt about the US government's claims, but it's all getting swept under the rug by angry reactionaries like you, just the same as doubts about the Iraq war claims were.

I would bet a hundred dollars you didn't even go to the article and read the linked pieces, even after I told you. And here you are angrily telling me off for telling people to think again.

Like I said, reactionary as fark.


Is bullshiat your middle name? No one is sweeping anything under any rug.
 
2013-09-05 10:43:48 PM
Russian President Vladimir Putin warned on Wednesday that any US Congress approval for a military strike against Syria without UN consensus would represent an "aggression".

From Yahoo News
 
2013-09-05 10:43:51 PM

2wolves: skullkrusher: The rebels are savages. Many are openly allied with AQ. Whether they are responsible for chem attacks or not, let's not rush headlong into their "noble" cause.

Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.


All the more reason to stay out of it and let the Arab League or someone else deal with it.
 
2013-09-05 10:45:15 PM
dear world,

No seriously, most of us are against war...going to war, participating in it, starting them, anything.  We elect people that claim to be against it.  But...dunno, man.  Dunno.

Sincerely,
The USA
 
2013-09-05 10:48:24 PM

spamdog: Biological Ali: Do you think that the evidence that Assad's regime carried out the attack is stronger or weaker than the evidence put forward by the Bush administration in support of their claims prior to the invasion of Iraq?

I think they're just about the same.


They're not even remotely the same, but for the purpose of argument let's assume they are. Given that the Democrats didn't express any serious doubts about the stated rationale for attacking Iraq at the time that it was given, it would appear that Democrats indeed aren't being less skeptical now than they were then.
 
2013-09-05 10:49:04 PM

Nabb1: 2wolves: skullkrusher: The rebels are savages. Many are openly allied with AQ. Whether they are responsible for chem attacks or not, let's not rush headlong into their "noble" cause.

Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.

All the more reason to stay out of it and let the Arab League or someone else deal with it.


we can certainly enforce a no-fly zone to protect civilians and that sort of thing without actively attacking the Assad regime... and then hope Assad wins
 
2013-09-05 10:49:39 PM

FlashHarry: well, rush limbaugh sided with somali pirates over their american hostages in the maersk alabama hijacking, simply because he hates obama's guts - it shouldn't surprise me that alex jones and the rabid right would side with the butcher of damascus in this case.


Surely you've heard of sarcasm.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2009/04/14/president_obama_ordered _t he_killing_of_three_black_muslim_kids
 
2013-09-05 10:50:59 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Russian President Vladimir Putin warned on Wednesday that any US Congress approval for a military strike against Syria without UN consensus would represent an "aggression".

From Yahoo News


Yawn.
 
2013-09-05 10:51:44 PM

wahsman: I vote for whatever makes my gas cheaper,dammit.  God bless 'Murica!


This war will only help Europe with lower natural gas prices, Saudi Arabia and Qatar get sales of LNG. Russia has about 25% of the sales ( 150 BCM out of  485 billion cubic metres (bcm). Other supplies come from norway by land and Saudi Arabia and Qatar by sea with other smaller suppliers. Syria as Russia's ally has blocked building a pipeline from Qatar- Saudi Arabia.

That's why Kerry can say this  ...

"With respect to Arab countries offering to bear the cost and to assist, the answer is profoundly yes, they have. That offer is on the table," Kerry said as he appeared before a House of Representatives panel.
The offer was "quite significant," he said.


That's why /Obama/Kerry have the financial backing of Arab contries. America will be the guy the nerd hires to go beat up the big, bad' bully who is blocking the door to the bank everyday.

Imported petroleum from the Middle East will go up a lot when the USA shoots the first cruise missle.

I included non-Infowars  references  for these ideas. I could find many more.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/arab-nations-offered-to-p_n_ 3 868087.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/arab-nations-of fered-to-p_n_3 868087.html

http://michaelsnyder.mensnewsdaily.com/2013/09/is-the-united-states-g o ing-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline/">http://mich aelsnyder.mensnewsdaily.com/2013/09/is-the-united-states-go ing-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/uk-energy-gas-europe-analysi s -idUKBRE96H0SE20130718">http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/uk-e nergy-gas-europe-analysis -idUKBRE96H0SE20130718


I know it gets hard to think the people you elect can be evil, killing people for profit. But it's time to own up and take a real look at things.
 
2013-09-05 10:52:12 PM
 
2013-09-05 10:54:24 PM

uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated


well, at least he's gone beyond being low class and vulgar to get the attention he craves
 
2013-09-05 10:55:11 PM

darth_badger: I know it gets hard to think the people you elect can be evil, killing people for profit POWER. But it's time to own up and take a real look at things.


FTFY.  Money is just one form of power
 
2013-09-05 10:56:11 PM

uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated


The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.
 
2013-09-05 10:56:38 PM

Kuroshin: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

Again, except at the poles.


Why not at the poles?
 
2013-09-05 10:56:41 PM

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Anyone else think Obama pulled this Syria debate to get people to shut the fark up about the Affordable Care act causing the downfall society?

Do I think he would bomb people and kill hundreds or even thousands to stop people from complaining about Obamacare? Only if he's a total farking psychopath.


No. The bringing it up when we should have done something two months ago and then allowing everything to dick around for a few weeks. I said the DEBATE not the attack.
 
2013-09-05 10:57:26 PM

Nabb1: We shouldn't be taking sides at all.


You're right; this is "glass parking lot" time.
 
2013-09-05 10:57:28 PM

skullkrusher: well, at least he's gone beyond being low class and vulgar to get the attention he craves


How's that? He's talking about doctored docs.

The photos?  I'm sure they're being projected all around capital hill right now.
 
2013-09-05 10:58:10 PM

vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.


another question is why an administration which clearly does not want to bomb Syria would try to make up a reason to bomb Syria
 
2013-09-05 10:58:33 PM

vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.


Where did you understand that from? I NEED, I NEED
 
2013-09-05 10:59:25 PM

Bell-fan: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

you mean like when he was spouting that bull**** about the NSA having this huge spying program called prism that was sucking up data on everything from everyone... yeah what a load of... oh wait... FFFFFF I hate it when these crazy assholes turn out to be right...

Maybe we SHOULD wait for the UN to come back with definitive findings BEFORE we start launching shiat into other countries.

What if we find out that this is some cottage industry sarin like the Russians said it is... and that the missiles came from Saudi Arabia through AL Q connections.

Imagine how farking stupid we'd look if we did something and killed people... and it turned out we were wrong AGAIN.. JUST LIKE IN IRAQ.

Seriously... I hate to admit it... but in this one isolated instance I'd much rather NOT act before we know for a fact that Alex jone's tin foil hat squad aren't right.


And all that BS Alex was spouting abut The Bilderberggroup over 10 years ago. Oh wait that is a real thing because they just met in Watford this year didn't they?
 
2013-09-05 11:00:09 PM

skullkrusher: vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.

another question is why an administration which clearly does not want to bomb Syria would try to make up a reason to bomb Syria


Admin is trying to bomb Syria.  Pelosi is going around telling people we're at war. But it looks as if the  President is not getting congressional approval to do so.
 
2013-09-05 11:00:38 PM

Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Anyone else think Obama pulled this Syria debate to get people to shut the fark up about the Affordable Care act causing the downfall society?

Do I think he would bomb people and kill hundreds or even thousands to stop people from complaining about Obamacare? Only if he's a total farking psychopath.

No. The bringing it up when we should have done something two months ago and then allowing everything to dick around for a few weeks. I said the DEBATE not the attack.


Still not buying it. Guy talked himself into a corner and now is lobbing it over to Congress. And now Putin is calling his bluff. "Red line." Every two-bit lawyer alive knows you always leave an out in everything you say. Nice work, Harvard Law.
 
2013-09-05 11:02:04 PM

ransack.: Kuroshin: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

Again, except at the poles.

Why not at the poles?


Well, you now have to show two forms of ID.
 
2013-09-05 11:03:35 PM

Biological Ali: It's not clear who carried out that attack (a small-scale attack that killed about 30 people, mostly soldiers) - there's a Russian report claiming that it was likely done by the rebels based on their


You don't think the fact that Sarin was used against Syrian army soldiers recently might constitute a valid reason to be doubtful that the Syrian government executed this most recent attack?

I do. I think it is considerable evidence to just stop and wait for the UN's investigation on the most recent chemical attack to come back.

Just like Iraq, everyone's in too much of a rush to stop and wait for the UN to deliver their report.

I know that all the mass media is begging the question of whether the Syrian government did it, but that doesn't make claims to the contrary crazy or farfetched. They said the same thing about doubts on Iraq, too.
 
2013-09-05 11:03:55 PM

uber humper: skullkrusher: vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.

another question is why an administration which clearly does not want to bomb Syria would try to make up a reason to bomb Syria

Admin is trying to bomb Syria.  Pelosi is going around telling people we're at war. But it looks as if the  President is not getting congressional approval to do so.


The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people
 
2013-09-05 11:05:32 PM

skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people


The shiat is getting deep in here.

 
2013-09-05 11:05:57 PM

uber humper: vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.

Where did you understand that from? I NEED, I NEED


I was kidding. Germany said its intel agents have determined Assad launched the attack. (Germany is nonetheless against attacking.)
 
2013-09-05 11:06:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: let's not pretend there's some government conspiracy to subvert the public opinion. Your tinfoil hat might be on too snug.


It may not be a 'conspiracy' as such, but the US government is doing its damnedest to make Obama look good at the moment, in spite of reason and transparency. And that's a bad thing, just in general.
 
2013-09-05 11:06:43 PM
So he really want to put troops in Syria? If he wants to remove their chemical capability:

Article from December reporting that the Pentagon told the Obama Administration that 75,000 troops would be needed to secure Syria's chemical arms.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/world/middleeast/pentagon-sees-sei zi ng-syria-chemical-arms-as-vast-task.html?pagewanted=all"
 
2013-09-05 11:06:46 PM

Nabb1: Still not buying it. Guy talked himself into a corner and now is lobbing it over to Congress. And now Putin is calling his bluff. "Red line." Every two-bit lawyer alive knows you always leave an out in everything you say. Nice work, Harvard Law.


Putin's calling his bluff? I'm pretty sure that Russia's position (unless there's been some major development in the last few hours that I missed) has been that it's not yet clear whether the "red line" has been crossed by the Assad regime.
 
2013-09-05 11:08:00 PM

skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people


So you can look into his mind, eh?
 
2013-09-05 11:08:07 PM

uber humper: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

The shiat is getting deep in here.


I could push you in the shallow water if you'd like but the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria. He knows he does. We assisted the Libyan resistance for months without congressional approval. Fact is he doesn't want to actually help the rebels. The last thing the Middle East and the world needs is the Syrian WMD stockpiles being spoils of war for a bunch of yahoos, 3/4 of which are probably jihadi jackoffs or at least sympathizers.
 
2013-09-05 11:08:42 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

So you can look into his mind, eh?


no, but it isn't very hard to deduce things if you try.
 
2013-09-05 11:08:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

It's twelve o'clock twice a day, at least where I live...

Mine usually has the AM light blink with the "12:00".

/Loves how we're arguing more about clocks than Syria


Mine has a light for PM and no light means AM. Also, the time counts when it's blinking and needs set, so if I come home and it's blinking 3:23 then I know the power went out and came back 3 hours and 23 minutes ago
 
2013-09-05 11:13:20 PM

spamdog: You don't think the fact that Sarin was used against Syrian army soldiers recently might constitute a valid reason to be doubtful that the Syrian government executed this most recent attack?


Er... what? What does the Aleppo attack (the details of which have yet to be determined) have to do with the Damascus attack? They're two separate incidents. Even if you assume that the rebels carried out that attack (and like I said, it has yet to be determined), it has no bearing on the investigation for the other one.
 
2013-09-05 11:13:28 PM

skullkrusher: I could push you in the shallow water if you'd like but the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria. He knows he does. We assisted the Libyan resistance for months without congressional approval. Fact is he doesn't want to actually help the rebels. The last thing the Middle East and the world needs is the Syrian WMD stockpiles being spoils of war for a bunch of yahoos, 3/4 of which are probably jihadi jackoffs or at least sympathizers.


You don't think the US has been equiping and training them all along? I hope you're right and the Presidents push in congress fails.  We do not need to equip Al Qaeda

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-cia-syria-201306 22
 
2013-09-05 11:14:26 PM
So Obama supports chemical weapon using Al Queda. He went full Jane Fonda. He is this generation/s John Kerry
 
2013-09-05 11:15:41 PM

uber humper: skullkrusher: I could push you in the shallow water if you'd like but the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria. He knows he does. We assisted the Libyan resistance for months without congressional approval. Fact is he doesn't want to actually help the rebels. The last thing the Middle East and the world needs is the Syrian WMD stockpiles being spoils of war for a bunch of yahoos, 3/4 of which are probably jihadi jackoffs or at least sympathizers.

You don't think the US has been equiping and training them all along? I hope you're right and the Presidents push in congress fails.  We do not need to equip Al Qaeda

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-cia-syria-201306 22


that doesn't surprise me. After all, the President talked about the red line and enormous consequences last summer. Then word started to trickle out about the allahu ackbar-ish nature of many of the fighters and their allies and suddenly helping these shiatheads win isn't quite so appealing
 
2013-09-05 11:16:10 PM

Nemo's Brother: So Obama supports chemical weapon using Al Queda. He went full Jane Fonda. He is this generation/s John Kerry


Can you get any dumber?
 
2013-09-05 11:21:07 PM

Aristocles: BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?

+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance


I was a 91A secondary, so I should.
 
2013-09-05 11:21:18 PM

uber humper: darth_badger: I know it gets hard to think the people you elect can be evil, killing people for profit POWER. But it's time to own up and take a real look at things.

FTFY.  Money is just one form of power


True.
 
2013-09-05 11:22:13 PM

vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.


Lower LNG prices.
 
2013-09-05 11:24:17 PM
Bbbbbbbbut Wolf Blitzer already swore the Syrian Govt did it.
 
2013-09-05 11:24:18 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Aristocles: BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?

+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance

I was a 91A secondary, so I should.


Hmmm... it's almost as if there's a difference, like WP isn't a chemical weapon banned by the chemical weapon convention. It would almost be like missing the point entirely why a gas weapon is included but WP is not.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:05 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

So you can look into his mind, eh?


Not now he can't.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:15 PM

Biological Ali: They're two separate incidents.


You don't say?

Biological Ali: Even if you assume that the rebels carried out that attack


Yeah I'm sure the Syrian government launched sarin gas at their own soldiers.

Like someone else around here has been saying: Who benefits? It certainly isn't the Syrian regime that's about to benefit from this attack.


Regarding this article:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

"The White House released its four-page public report Aug. 30, arguing that Assad's government killed 1,429 people on Aug. 21 with a planned chemical weapon attack. Evidence cited in that report included "intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used."

Grayson, however, says "the claim has been made that that information was completely mischaracterized."

He points to an article published by The Daily Caller that alleges the communications actually showed Syrian officers were surprised by the alleged chemical weapon attack. The communications, according to unnamed sources paraphrased in article, were intercepted by Israeli intelligence and "doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion." "

...

Members of Congress are "not being given any of the underlying elements of the intelligence reports," according to Grayson. He's not sure if the information will come before the votes on a proposed strike next week.



These are perfectly valid concerns. If you want to gobble up the US government's case like you did with Iraq, well that's on you.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:43 PM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


The sheep says baaaaa?
 
2013-09-05 11:29:29 PM

ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?


Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!
 
2013-09-05 11:31:12 PM

darth_badger: Coming on a Bicycle: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

So you can look into his mind, eh?

Not now he can't.



4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot as a foil wrapped baked potato
 
2013-09-05 11:33:26 PM

ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?


If by sheep you mean someone who just swallows what Alex Jones spoon-feeds them, then yes. Rejecting the mainstream line in favor of an ideologically satisfying fairy tale doesn't make you an independent thinker. It makes you gullible and willing to believe anything so long as it contradicts the mainstream narrative, regardless of whether that narrative is close to the truth.
 
2013-09-05 11:33:38 PM
I listen once a week, I won't lie.. He blows a lot of stuff way out of proportion, but some stuff is very interesting...

Fun drinking game, anytime he says any of these phrases take a drink

Ladies and gentlemen
On record
Obama
Christian
 
2013-09-05 11:34:17 PM

ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!


Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers
 
2013-09-05 11:36:36 PM
I see your stinking unshaved guy in clean new fatigues you cannot buy in Syria on a camcorder talking about having and using chemical weapons and raise you seven clean shaved well dressed men with digital recording studios talking about how they speak with aliens.

So, give us something real next time?
 
2013-09-05 11:38:45 PM

darth_badger: ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!

Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers


Oh Jesus h Christ...the rabbit hole appears to plunge deep into the frontal lobes of these tinfoil hat wearing types.
Holy shiat...the tinfoil keeps their brains from leaking out not radio waves from getting in, it all makes sense now.
 
2013-09-05 11:40:00 PM

prjindigo: I see your stinking unshaved guy in clean new fatigues you cannot buy in Syria on a camcorder talking about having and using chemical weapons and raise you seven clean shaved well dressed men with digital recording studios talking about how they speak with aliens.

So, give us something real next time?


And I will give you clean shaved, well-dressed guys who wave uranium yellowcake around the UN.
 
2013-09-05 11:40:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: You need to sit on the Group W bench.


Can't.

Busy Father-Raping.
 
2013-09-05 11:41:44 PM

spamdog: Yeah I'm sure the Syrian government launched sarin gas at their own soldiers.

Like someone else around here has been saying: Who benefits? It certainly isn't the Syrian regime that's about to benefit from this attack.


The Syrian regime has already benefited from the attack. It hit opposition-held suburbs in Damascus and helped with their bid to retake the city. Moreover, the evidence that the regime carried it out also includes the nature of the attack itself - a "large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack", as per the USG report. The rebels have never carried out such an attack before, and indeed it's not clear whether they even have the capability to do so.


spamdog: He points to an article published by The Daily Caller that alleges the communications actually showed Syrian officers were surprised by the alleged chemical weapon attack. The communications, according to unnamed sources paraphrased in article, were intercepted by Israeli intelligence and "doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion." "


I daresay that "Unnamed sources paraphrased by a Daily Caller article" might even give Infowars a strong challenge in the competition for "Worst information source possible".
 
2013-09-05 11:42:10 PM

redsquid: All you've ever seen in the sewer is shiat and you will not believe anything to the contrary.


I knew some guys whose job it was to flush out sewer lines. They had one of huge pickle jars about halfway full of jewelry. He said that they cash it in every year about a month before xmas. There were a "Lot" of rings in there.

They had one of those ultrasonic jewelry cleaners and everything. You would never be able to tell where they had once been. In short: There actually are diamonds in the sewers.
 
2013-09-05 11:45:58 PM
2wolves:  Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.

My view on U.S. involvement in Syria:

i.imgur.com

1) France and Turkey are more than capable of handling it themselves.

2) fark this proxy war shiat.
 
2013-09-05 11:48:05 PM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-05 11:49:52 PM

Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.


Proxy war?
 
2013-09-05 11:53:21 PM

Nabb1: T. E. Lawrence was right


And the man enjoyed a good beating.
 
2013-09-05 11:57:22 PM

wahsman: I vote for whatever makes my gas cheaper,dammit.  God bless 'Murica!


Hey can I borrow your backyard for a few years?

poetcore.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-05 11:59:37 PM

vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.
 
2013-09-06 12:01:02 AM

golden goat: Unless you have better credible examples, I'll get news from news agencies and not youtube.


I would say that it shows intent and it shows just how easy it would be to fake a scene like that. So regardless if that particular exercise was effective or not it indicates that you need to be skeptical of still photos from the region (well, almost any still photo from anywhere really) unless the source of the photo is unimpeachable. This is also probably why those photos never made it into credible media outlets.
 
2013-09-06 12:04:11 AM

Biological Ali: spamdog: There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.

Do you think that the evidence that Assad's regime carried out the attack is stronger or weaker than the evidence put forward by the Bush administration in support of their claims prior to the invasion of Iraq?


In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.
 
2013-09-06 12:05:22 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


That would be a nice change of pace. Rather than the U.S. being responsible for all the ills of the world, we're actually the dupes and nothing is our fault at all because we're just too dumb to do our own shiat. Kind of the opposite extreme.
 
2013-09-06 12:07:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.


Or you know, the first incident was not as conclusive as this incident. The world tends not to be black and white.
 
2013-09-06 12:09:52 AM
So a "rebel" in Latakia, an area full of Alawites supporting Assad, says he has a ton of chemical weapons and likes killing women and children just before the U.S. is going to come in and help his cause... Seems legit.

The only reason for rebels to use chemical weapons is to induce the West to help them, but only the jihadists would be likely to use them, and the jihadists are now going into hiding because they're afraid of America coming in and removing them along with Assad. It's pretty farking obvious Assad's behind the chemical attacks.
 
2013-09-06 12:10:16 AM
I'm actually just reading the public US intelligence assessment now, and I think I might have changed my mind...
 
2013-09-06 12:11:41 AM

darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway. Real mercenaries for hire take in some serious cash. I knew one and he spent some time in a Rhodesian prison because of it. Sure he made a lot of money but he went through hell to get it. He strongly advised people not to get into that line of business.

He was also someone that you didn't want to piss off. He looked and acted pretty meek and soft but I saw him bounce someone out of his bar once and he wasn't nice about it, not at all.
 
2013-09-06 12:13:26 AM

spamdog: I'm actually just reading the public US intelligence assessment now, and I think I might have changed my mind...


Throw a brother a link would ya...
 
2013-09-06 12:15:48 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


The Saudis and Qatar have been arming and funding the opposition from the start.  The US is the air force and the opposition are the boots on the ground.
 
2013-09-06 12:19:41 AM
fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net
SEEMS LEGIT
 
2013-09-06 12:19:55 AM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 610x437]


Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you're serious.
 
2013-09-06 12:20:38 AM

darth_badger: ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!

Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers


Thanks for that entertaining link.. some of those people in the comments I think might be serious about all of that.
 
2013-09-06 12:20:50 AM
This sure could be fake.  Wouldn't put it past Assad or Putin.
If it's real we have some big time problems with either the state dept making up shiat or Obama making up shiat.
Both have serious credibility issues and a proven history of making up lies with regards to the middle east. The last time we caught them repeating for weeks on end the "a youtube video caused a protest to get out of hand" killing and ambassador and 3 others.   It was bullshiat and we knew it right away.
If Putin is right, if the rebels gassed...
I hate to say it, but I'm "hoping" Obama is right about Assad, I just don't feel it.  Still don't want any US involvement in Syria period.
 
2013-09-06 12:21:44 AM

vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?



Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.
 
2013-09-06 12:22:52 AM
Radioactive Ass:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/164267522/08-30-2013-USG-Assessment-on-Syr ia -1 

Really the only things that still make me doubt is:
- The prior Sarin attack on Syrian soldiers
- The refusal of the western powers to wait for the UN's report on the attacks.

There's also this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/rockets-in-syrian -a ttack-carried-large-payload-of-gas-experts-say.html
which if it is to be believed, would implicate the regime. The rockets used were larger than initially reported - and carried a bigger payload.
 
2013-09-06 12:25:02 AM

Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.


Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.
 
2013-09-06 12:25:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.


Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!
 
2013-09-06 12:25:36 AM
If chemical weapons are so easy to obtain (or manufacture) why haven't they been used by insurgents in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Yemen? Why hasn't Al Qaeda used them against the west?

The Syrian military is known to have large stockpiles of VX and sarin and the means (helicopters, artillery and rockets) to deliver them. The rebels do not.

The Assad regime is not a signatory to the Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention.

On the other hand, if and when the Assad regime implodes the possibility of these chemical agents falling into Islamist hands is a real concern. The US military is formulating ways to deal with this scenario should it come to pass. There is no guarantee of success.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-18/world/40047284_1_chemi ca l-weapons-syrian-government-stockpiles
 
2013-09-06 12:27:34 AM

Tyee: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!


I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
 
2013-09-06 12:28:10 AM

Radioactive Ass: darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.

That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway. Real mercenaries for hire take in some serious cash. I knew one and he spent some time in a Rhodesian prison because of it. Sure he made a lot of money but he went through hell to get it. He strongly advised people not to get into that line of business.

He was also someone that you didn't want to piss off. He looked and acted pretty meek and soft but I saw him bounce someone out of his bar once and he wasn't nice about it, not at all.


Sit down and talk to some active duty service members (I'm near Fort Hood) and they will tell you that they want out because of things like this asap. When you sign up to "protect America" and wind up watching the politicians fund and arm the folks you fight in other countries you do get disillusioned .
 
2013-09-06 12:28:25 AM

vygramul: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.

Or you know, the first incident was not as conclusive as this incident. The world tends not to be black and white.


Well, yes; but that doesn't negate my other point. The argument that "we don't know whether it was Assad who ordered the strike or not" has been used by various people, and seems to me to be exceptionally weak. It should not matter who used chemical weapons--IF the rationale for a strike in Syria is the use of chemical weapons. If it DOES matter, then clearly the use of chemical agents is not the real reason for the strike; and thus the reason is suspect.
 
2013-09-06 12:30:17 AM
Infowars is not a credible information source.  Even for right wing (EXPLETIVES) like me.
 
2013-09-06 12:30:48 AM

Kuroshin: Mrtraveler01: Kuroshin: If it doesn't have an AM/PM designation (and isn't 24-hour), then it's still twice per day.

You have to be quite the cheap ass to get a digital clock that doesn't have the AM/PM designation.

What did you call me?  I'll have you know that I spent a good $50 for my stopped digital clock!  And it has neither AM nor PM designations!  You want to know whether it's morning or night?  Look out the window, pleb!

/should have bought a clock that wasn't stopped...


What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the  USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.
 
2013-09-06 12:32:15 AM

Radioactive Ass: darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.

That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway. Real mercenaries for hire take in some serious cash. I knew one and he spent some time in a Rhodesian prison because of it. Sure he made a lot of money but he went through hell to get it. He strongly advised people not to get into that line of business.

He was also someone that you didn't want to piss off. He looked and acted pretty meek and soft but I saw him bounce someone out of his bar once and he wasn't nice about it, not at all.


Not mercenaries exactly but the US would be providing fireworks to the benefit of themselves and many other countries.
 
2013-09-06 12:33:03 AM

vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.


Can we agree it is not for the US's own behalf?  I know I am not threatened by Syria....
 
2013-09-06 12:33:37 AM

spamdog: - The refusal of the western powers to wait for the UN's report on the attacks.


That's a bit of a red herring. The UN inspectors, as far as I can tell, aren't allowed to officially apportion blame for the attacks (unless their mandate has been changed recently, which I doubt). So the most they'll be able to do is determine that an attack did take place (which everyone already knows), and possibly a few other details that will add to the pile of circumstantial evidence (or corroborate existing evidence) against Assad, but either way it's understandable why this upcoming report isn't being treated as some kind of make-or-break milestone that everything hinges on.
 
2013-09-06 12:34:06 AM

vygramul: I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.


Saddam and the Iraqi's sure dispute it.  They claim it was Iran.
 
2013-09-06 12:34:23 AM

vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris.



No, I have always said that it was always on the behalf of Israel. You're confused.


vygramul: Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.


Please try to focus.

Here, read this article.


/Squint if necessary
 
2013-09-06 12:34:49 AM

Frederick: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.

Can we agree it is not for the US's own behalf?  I know I am not threatened by Syria....


No, we can't. The idea that chemical weapons are unacceptable is a useful concept for everyone, including you. It may not seem like it's likely now, but you never know.
 
2013-09-06 12:35:46 AM

Frederick: vygramul: I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.

Saddam and the Iraqi's sure dispute it.  They claim it was Iran.


Considering the Iraqis had air superiority over Iran, that is a pretty unlikely claim. And the Iraqis don't deny it.
 
2013-09-06 12:36:26 AM
Tyee

Are you under some kind of contractual obligation to work Benghazi conspiracy theories into every thread you post in?
 
2013-09-06 12:37:45 AM

Amos Quito: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris.


No, I have always said that it was always on the behalf of Israel. You're confused.


vygramul: Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.


Please try to focus.

Here, read this article.


/Squint if necessary


Strange, France backs a strike on Syria - their former imperial possession. Yet you don't even consider the possibility it's a proxy for France. I wonder why that might be?

/No I don't.
 
2013-09-06 12:37:46 AM

vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.


I don't think Israel wants any part of this but will defend themselves with extraordinary messures if attacked.

http://www.vanunu.com/uscampaign/photos.html
 
2013-09-06 12:41:16 AM

vygramul: Tyee: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!

I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.


Or Saddam using them against Iran with US satalite intel to make them more effective by using them on troops in the weakest part of the line to create a breach and gain ground.
 
2013-09-06 12:42:47 AM
From another source:  http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-suppl i ed-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

Both sides are as bad as each other.  Getting involved just makes it a 3 way shiatstorm.
 
2013-09-06 12:42:52 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Tyee: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!

I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.

Or Saddam using them against Iran with US satalite intel to make them more effective by using them on troops in the weakest part of the line to create a breach and gain ground.


Maybe so, but that happened before I was able to vote, and I reserve the right to have different moral standards from the baby boomers.
 
2013-09-06 12:44:24 AM

Biological Ali: Another one shooting the messenger, despite there being credible links to the BBC and Reuters in there.

Those links have nothing to do with what that article (and this thread) are about - i.e., the authenticity of this video. Moreover, those links are all about an attack that took place in March in Aleppo - and not the one that took place in August in Damascus, which is what's in the news now. It's not clear who carried out that attack (a small-scale attack that killed about 30 people, mostly soldiers) - there's a Russian report claiming that it was likely done by the rebels based on their, but there's also been news of a Syrian defector who says that it was carried out by Assad.

With the attack in Damascus, however - the one that killed over a thousand people, including more than 400 children - there is nothing to suggest the rebels carried it out. The idea this attack was carried out by anybody other than Assad's regime is farfetched to say the least, and there's a reason that the article's claims about the Damascus attack all link back to infowars.


I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-06 12:45:30 AM

Kit Fister: Calmamity: Nabb1: We shouldn't be taking sides at all. We're planning to be the Air Force for al Qaeda sympathizers against an insidious dictator. Saudi Arabia wants us to do something. Well, how about the incredibly wealthy Saudis put those fighter jets and M-1 Abrams tanks we sold them to good use. How about instead of the Saudis giving us lip service support for intervention, we offer them lip service support for intervention for a change? The Arab League should be equipped to handle this. Every time we intervene in Middle East conflicts, it seems like we win more enemies than friends. T. E. Lawrence was right.

Them and the French, who have been talking smack, should feel free to jump right in to this mess, if they think action is so important.

There are no good guys in Syria. There is no "winning" there.

Shhh. Anyone against the war must be a republitard derper. Duh.


...er...that's not the rhetoric by  any standards...

/What Politics tab are you lurking in?
 
2013-09-06 12:48:22 AM

vygramul: Frederick: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.

Can we agree it is not for the US's own behalf?  I know I am not threatened by Syria....

No, we can't. The idea that chemical weapons are unacceptable is a useful concept for everyone, including you. It may not seem like it's likely now, but you never know.


So if someone on your block was murdered and the cops couldn't prove who did it, then would it would be OK to just execute one family ( you only mean to kill one of the neighbors but get his family in collateral damage) on your block, so people one block over wouldn't murder someone too?
 
2013-09-06 12:49:17 AM

Biological Ali: Tyee

Are you under some kind of contractual obligation to work Benghazi conspiracy theories into every thread you post in?


Just the youtube video B/S part.   It's always bothered me why the stupid, obvious and blatant lie was told in the first place and then repeated for weeks.  Why everyone, I mean everyone isn't asking what the hell was that about befuddles me.  Why such a B/S lie was told and we still don't know why is curious.  And the people in the middle east know its BS too.  No credibility there after that.

Now this, and there is so much uncertainty with who perpetrated the CW attack with everyone but the state dept and Obama.  And he was in such a big hurry to bomb...
It doesn't add up.
 
2013-09-06 12:50:17 AM

vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris.


No, I have always said that it was always on the behalf of Israel. You're confused.


vygramul: Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.


Please try to focus.

Here, read this article.


/Squint if necessary

Strange, France backs a strike on Syria - their former imperial possession. Yet you don't even consider the possibility it's a proxy for France. I wonder why that might be?

/No I don't.


Back to lower LNG prices.
 
2013-09-06 12:53:21 AM

Greymalkin: Both sides are as bad as each other. Getting involved just makes it a 3 way shiatstorm.


There are actually  a whole lot more than three sides in this. It's more of a gangbang shiatstorm where each guy has their own special STD and the chick spreads it around like a petri dish in an incubator.
 
2013-09-06 12:54:30 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Frederick: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.

Can we agree it is not for the US's own behalf?  I know I am not threatened by Syria....

No, we can't. The idea that chemical weapons are unacceptable is a useful concept for everyone, including you. It may not seem like it's likely now, but you never know.

So if someone on your block was murdered and the cops couldn't prove who did it, then would it would be OK to just execute one family ( you only mean to kill one of the neighbors but get his family in collateral damage) on your block, so people one block over wouldn't murder someone too?


If that was what was going on here, then you'd have a point.
 
2013-09-06 12:55:24 AM

darth_badger: Back to lower LNG prices.


Amos doesn't think we're fighting for France because of going back to lower LNG prices? Wut?
 
2013-09-06 12:55:59 AM

Tyee: Just the youtube video B/S part. It's always bothered me why the stupid, obvious and blatant lie was told in the first place and then repeated for weeks. Why everyone, I mean everyone isn't asking what the hell was that about befuddles me. Why such a B/S lie was told and we still don't know why is curious. And the people in the middle east know its BS too. No credibility there after that.

Now this, and there is so much uncertainty with who perpetrated the CW attack with everyone but the state dept and Obama. And he was in such a big hurry to bomb...
It doesn't add up.


imageshack.us
 
2013-09-06 12:58:07 AM

Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.


This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.
 
2013-09-06 01:01:19 AM
There aught to be a fark regulation about info wars links... I clicked, saw the link...oh hell no.
 
2013-09-06 01:01:48 AM

vygramul: darth_badger: vygramul: Frederick: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.

Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.

Can we agree it is not for the US's own behalf?  I know I am not threatened by Syria....

No, we can't. The idea that chemical weapons are unacceptable is a useful concept for everyone, including you. It may not seem like it's likely now, but you never know.

So if someone on your block was murdered and the cops couldn't prove who did it, then would it would be OK to just execute one family ( you only mean to kill one of the neighbors but get his family in collateral damage) on your block, so people one block over wouldn't murder someone too?

If that was what was going on here, then you'd have a point.


You are right. There is much more than that going on here.

Attacking Syria for using chemical weapons is just the easiest way to justify launching cruise missles at them.
 
2013-09-06 01:05:55 AM
Sergeant Grumbles:

OK Sarge, if you can give me a reasonable explanation for why they made up that story, I'll stop.
We all now know that they watch the attack in real time.  Never was a protest about a video and we even had the producer arrested.
I dropped it because I thought it was just to get through the election, now I'm not so sure.  But AQ knew who is lying and prolly why, I don't know why, do you?
 
2013-09-06 01:06:09 AM

FlashHarry: infowars? yeah, right.

 
2013-09-06 01:10:05 AM

skullkrusher: another question is why an administration which clearly does not want to bomb Syria would try to make up a reason to bomb Syria


Clearly? Obama has wanted Assad out for quite awhile.

spamdog: You don't think the fact that Sarin was used against Syrian army soldiers recently might constitute a valid reason to be doubtful that the Syrian government executed this most recent attack?


More importantly if Sarin was used against Syrian forces the only possible valid claim for using force against them for using them is gone, vanished, defunct, dead, has gone tits up, (I could go on). The treaty that Syria agreed to allows a like-response in chemical weapons use. That applies for all WMD type weapons. The entity that uses them first is the bad actor, not the entity that responds in kind.
 
2013-09-06 01:11:44 AM

Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.



Obviously the key question is, "the targeting of civilians " by whom?

There are numerous entities that might have seen a mass-gassing outside of Damascus as benefiting their "cause".

AssadCo is not one of them.


/Why are we doing this, again?
 
2013-09-06 01:12:01 AM
Yikes! Almost clicked on an InfoWars link!

Now I know what the guy who found the snake in the Starbucks toilet felt:  Shock, followed by a squirmy disgust and slightly unclean feeling.
 
2013-09-06 01:15:05 AM

Kit Fister: Mike_LowELL: Thank you, Drew, for wiping the sweat from your brow and personally greenlighting this article.  This is a defining moment in our country and our voices must be heard.  If the United States goes to war on false pretense and bad information, it will be unprecedented.  The repercussions for our actions will come in the form of an ethical mushroom cloud, and we need to make sure the argument is a slam dunk before we choose to intervene.

TuteTibiImperes: FTFY

Yes, yes, you are correct.  Thank you, InfoWars, for keeping us infromed.

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This post made me question if you were either really new here (OK I suck at remembering Fark posters who I don't find to be especially memorable; to be fair I doubt I've made much of an impression on Fark either) or really, how should I saw, neuro-atypical. Seeing as you've been here at least 2 years, I'm thinking it's time for Wapner.
 
2013-09-06 01:15:45 AM

big pig peaches: Fark really needs to show the link source in the mobile version.


It does on m.fark.com. "{headline} 8240 clicks infowars.com". It's right under the headline, in gray.
 
2013-09-06 01:17:29 AM
And if you ask what difference it makes, aka Hillary?
It makes a big, no huge difference both home and abroad with regards to credibility.  Obama lost so much credibility there in the Mideast and with countries like Russia who probably laugh their asses off.
 
2013-09-06 01:18:55 AM
I have no doubt that the rebels were responsible for the gas, but this article doesn't sound credible. I don't think it went down the way this guy is saying. It is probably designed to be debunked later. That will provide the evidence to the logically challenged that the Syrian govt. did it.
 
2013-09-06 01:19:19 AM
I don't farking care.  No amount of super scary warmongering is going to get me approving of bombing a country that poses zero threat to the US.  I hate that Obama has me agreeing with the goddamn Tea Party.  Seriously, what the fark is going on?
 
2013-09-06 01:19:28 AM

skullkrusher: the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria


No. He. Does. Not.

He himself has said, back in 2007 when Bush was contemplating bombing Iran, that the president has to go to congress if there is no immediate threat to the nation or right after the nation has been attacked. Neither of these things are true here therefor he had to go to congress. Libya was a slightly different situation because NATO was involved which allowed the bypassing of congressional approval due to treaty obligations. If NATO hadn't been involved and it was just us then yes, he would have had to run it through congress first.

Just because other previous presidents have abused this "Right" doesn't mean that it is legal. Know the difference. Cops let people off with a warning all of the time, that doesn't mean that you weren't breaking the law, it just means that they hope that the warning message was going to be effective. 1 MPH over the limit will get you a ticket if the cop wants to give it to you.
 
2013-09-06 01:25:32 AM

mrEdude: hey here's an idea:

USA lets brown people kill each other for free, spends your money helping Americans.

It's your tax money, your future social security, now being spent CONSTANTLY to murder brown folk overseas.


The "Ostrich" approach was already tried. FAIL
 
2013-09-06 01:29:38 AM
Hmm, this video after the USMC website hack. But this video is way different.

dearblanksignedray.files.wordpress.com

However, Obama does now have to take action in Syria. If he doesn't he loses all his credibility on the world stage. It's just his dumb ass fault for putting a line out there think "sheet, this mutha farkers won't do this. I'm golden. I look tough and don't have to do squat". Then Syria called him on it and he has to play now.

If he was smart he would've kept his mouth shut to begin with and we wouldn't be here. Hopefully he learned.
 
2013-09-06 01:35:23 AM

Amos Quito: Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.


Obviously the key question is, "the targeting of civilians " by whom?

There are numerous entities that might have seen a mass-gassing outside of Damascus as benefiting their "cause".

AssadCo is not one of them.


/Why are we doing this, again?


Let me guess the people who control banking and Hollywood? The 12 tribes of Israel?
 
2013-09-06 01:38:07 AM

Biological Ali: This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.


My point was that, if true, it opened the door and that door cannot be closed by time nor distance. The door can only be closed when the hostilities end. The treaty was intended to remove the tactic from the books and for over half a century it pretty much did just that. If Syrian forces were attacked by chemical weapons then the door is opened for them to do the same and it only closes when they either win or lose.

That being said it's still illegal for them to use these types of weapons against forces outside their borders that have not used them against them. That much is pretty clear. But in regards to the rebel forces, if the reports of rebel forces using them first are true, they are completely within the law to do so by international norms.

On an aside I always feel like I'm writing some sort of Star Wars fanfic when I type "Rebel Forces" and that because I do oppose them that I'm some sort of Sith apologist. Life is funny sometimes.
 
2013-09-06 01:38:14 AM
mrEdude: hey here's an idea:

USA lets brown people kill each other for free, spends your money helping Americans.

It's your tax money, your future social security, now being spent CONSTANTLY to murder brown folk overseas.


It's murder now? Are we raping and pillaging as well? After the fall of Baghdad we let our troops have a free rape day like the Russians did after the fall of Berlin?

We needed to go to Afghanistan. We needed to take about 5x as many troops as we did. Boots on the ground do far more than drones and occasional patrols. We also needed to stay there for at least another 20 years to tell the enemy that they can't just lay low for a few years until we leave. To truly effect an ideology change. To understand that, look at Germany and Japan. We still have bases there. But we also need to stop blowing many like it was nothing. Ike was right about the military industrial complex and Afghanistan became the ultimate pork bill.

Iraq 2 was a retarded mistake. Thinking that Iraq had anything to do with Al Qaeda just shows ignorance of the Muslim religion, namely the Sunnis and shiates.
 
2013-09-06 01:44:45 AM

Omahawg: assad gets to bang this every night. someone's winning in syria


That right there is why I went into ophthalmology- the chicks, man...

Oh, you mean it's because he's the despotic ruler of a country? Hmm, time for a career change, I guess.
 
2013-09-06 01:52:21 AM

vygramul: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

If by sheep you mean someone who just swallows what Alex Jones spoon-feeds them, then yes. Rejecting the mainstream line in favor of an ideologically satisfying fairy tale doesn't make you an independent thinker. It makes you gullible and willing to believe anything so long as it contradicts the mainstream narrative, regardless of whether that narrative is close to the truth.


Ummmmm....I was going for low hanging fruit to be a smartass.
Info wars and Alex jones are laughable at best, if any humans in the history of humans were capable of pulling off the twisted and convoluted plots they speak of, we'd be enslaved by them.

/oh f)ck! Maybe we are and don't even know it! Dun dun dahhhhhh!
 
2013-09-06 01:54:14 AM

2wolves: The U.S. used willie pete in Iraq.  No ethical high ground in sight.


Willie pete is a chemical weapon like a hand grenade is a chemical weapon.

Chemical weapon is widely considered to mean nerve agents, or caustic agents.  WP is NOT a chemical weapon.
 
2013-09-06 01:59:13 AM

Noam Chimpsky: I have no doubt that the rebels were responsible for the gas,


No doubt!
 
2013-09-06 02:07:06 AM

Radioactive Ass: My point was that, if true, it opened the door and that door cannot be closed by time nor distance.


I'll give you points for creativity - this kind of thing would certainly be an interesting twist if this were a Tom Clancy novel.

In the real world, however, this just isn't a thing. Now, I don't know of it's been explicitly written into the Geneva convention or if it's just an international norm (I can't see any mention of it in the text), but the idea behind "respond in kind" exceptions is that, because weapons of mass destruction do give the user certain military advantages, the country they're being used against can reply in kind to negate that advantage rather than just rolling over. It certainly wouldn't cover somebody "retaliating" to a small-scale attack on a military target by launching an attack fifty times larger six months later, in a completely different city, targeted against civilian populations.

There's a reason why even Russia and Assad's regime, both of whom are accusing the rebels of carrying out the Aleppo incident, haven't made the argument that "Well, even if we did do it it would totally be okay because they started it". It's just not a thing.
 
2013-09-06 02:12:53 AM

The Southern Dandy: Chemical weapon is widely considered to mean nerve agents, or caustic agents. WP is NOT a chemical weapon.


You will never convince these types of people otherwise. They think that WP or any other incendiary is the same as atomic bombs solely because of Tokyo and Dresden and the firestorms that they resulted in.

While I don't disagree that those weapons can unleash that particular type of hell it also requires a hell of a lot more than what we dropped in Iraq to get there. WP shells can do as much good as bad. For example pretty much every emergency flare shot off at sea has WP in it.
 
2013-09-06 02:25:59 AM
How about this... just let them all kill themselves.
 
2013-09-06 02:37:44 AM

Biological Ali: I'll give you points for creativity - this kind of thing would certainly be an interesting twist if this were a Tom Clancy novel.


I'm glad that you like my prose. Comparing me to Tom Clancy was an unusual twist but seeing as I have read his works it's not surprising that that was made I suppose. I was pretty critical of the book that made him though, he got a lot of things wrong but he did spin a good yarn (I was on US submarines at the time and he got things wrong while also giving away the things that we had right which muddied the situation). But that is an entirely different subject.

That aside this is truly a cold war comparison in light of what I said before. Once a type of weapon is used by one side when is the returned type of weapon supposed to be "Wrong"? In nuclear weapons we have a buffer of about 90 days which is the standard food duration of an SSBN. Where does it end in lesser conflicts where feeding the people shooting the weapons is more fluid?

This was my point. Doors opened through war cannot be closed by war. Doors can only be closed by diplomacy or domination. This is the logic that the Middle East works on. There is no "win" here. They have to work it out one way or the other on their own.
 
2013-09-06 02:43:06 AM

Yes this is dog: Amos Quito: Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.


Obviously the key question is, "the targeting of civilians " by whom?

There are numerous entities that might have seen a mass-gassing outside of Damascus as benefiting their "cause".

AssadCo is not one of them.


/Why are we doing this, again?

Let me guess the people who control banking and Hollywood? The 12 tribes of Israel?



Yes, this IS the dog.
 
2013-09-06 02:49:55 AM

Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.


Even if that were the case, the Syrians withdrew from the Geneva Convention on the use of Asphyxiating, Poisonous, or Other Gasses of 1925 in 1968, which is the exact protocol you mention.
 
2013-09-06 02:55:50 AM

hardinparamedic: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

Even if that were the case, the Syrians withdrew from the Geneva Convention on the use of Asphyxiating, Poisonous, or Other Gasses of 1925 in 1968, which is the exact protocol you mention.


That's not for you, or the US, to decide.  The UN polices these things.  If the UN wants to put together a coalition to take action in Syria, I can at least start to entertain the idea.  But I've had enough of this world's policeman shiat.
 
2013-09-06 02:58:49 AM

Amos Quito: Yes this is dog: Amos Quito: Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.


Obviously the key question is, "the targeting of civilians " by whom?

There are numerous entities that might have seen a mass-gassing outside of Damascus as benefiting their "cause".

AssadCo is not one of them.


/Why are we doing this, again?

Let me guess the people who control banking and Hollywood? The 12 tribes of Israel?



Yes, this IS the dog.


Dude. You can quit tooting hysterically for hours on that one note butt kazoo.

We

GET


what

you

are

saying.
 
2013-09-06 02:59:45 AM
oi44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-06 03:02:08 AM

Kittypie070: Amos Quito: Yes this is dog: Amos Quito: Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: I will simply point out to you that the Geneva Protocol of 1925 allow forces to respond to the use of chemical weapons with more chemical weapons.The prohibition is about being the first ones to use them. Link. If in fact the rebels used chemical weapons first then even if the Assad regime used chemical weapons on August 21st they were justified in doing so based upon the only treaty that they have signed regarding chemical weapons.

This attack happened nearly six months after the first incident, in a completely different city, and was targeted at suburbs populated by civilians. Even if you assume for the sake of argument that the Damascus attack can be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident (itself a laughably massive stretch), something like this would violate other international norms, such as those relating to the targeting of civilians.


Obviously the key question is, "the targeting of civilians " by whom?

There are numerous entities that might have seen a mass-gassing outside of Damascus as benefiting their "cause".

AssadCo is not one of them.


/Why are we doing this, again?

Let me guess the people who control banking and Hollywood? The 12 tribes of Israel?


Yes, this IS the dog.

Dude. You can quit tooting hysterically for hours on that one note butt kazoo.

We

GET

what

you

are

saying.



Who is WE, Kittypie070?
 
2013-09-06 03:07:44 AM

spamdog: Who benefits?


Cable new networks and the folks who make Tomahawk missiles?
 
2013-09-06 03:08:24 AM

balloot: That's not for you, or the US, to decide.  The UN polices these things.  If the UN wants to put together a coalition to take action in Syria, I can at least start to entertain the idea.  But I've had enough of this world's policeman shiat.


For who to decide WHAT? Syria did that voluntarily in 1968 when they asked the Soviet Union to help them develop a chemical weapons program, which they openly maintained even AFTER the Soviet Union/Russia became signatories to the CWC.

This is not something that is recent. It's documented history.
 
2013-09-06 03:08:42 AM
From what I understand, Infowars makes a decent bit of money peddling complete bullshiat to suckers who would like nothing more than for someone to feed them complete bullshiat.
 
2013-09-06 03:14:57 AM

JohnnyC: From what I understand, Infowars makes a decent bit of money peddling complete bullshiat to suckers who would like nothing more than for someone to feed them complete bullshiat.


Infowars is living proof that P.T. Barnum was correct. In all honesty, they push theories that even Coast to Coast AM wouldn't touch.
 
2013-09-06 03:19:00 AM

hardinparamedic: JohnnyC: From what I understand, Infowars makes a decent bit of money peddling complete bullshiat to suckers who would like nothing more than for someone to feed them complete bullshiat.

Infowars is living proof that P.T. Barnum was correct. In all honesty, they push theories that even Coast to Coast AM wouldn't touch.


You do realize Alex Jones is a frequent guest on C2C....?
 
2013-09-06 03:20:05 AM

Frederick: You do realize Alex Jones is a frequent guest on C2C....?


I do. I also know he pushes things that even George Norrie considers out there.
 
2013-09-06 03:23:00 AM

Biological Ali: Radioactive Ass: My point was that, if true, it opened the door and that door cannot be closed by time nor distance.

I'll give you points for creativity - this kind of thing would certainly be an interesting twist if this were a Tom Clancy novel.

In the real world, however, this just isn't a thing. Now, I don't know of it's been explicitly written into the Geneva convention or if it's just an international norm (I can't see any mention of it in the text), but the idea behind "respond in kind" exceptions is that, because weapons of mass destruction do give the user certain military advantages, the country they're being used against can reply in kind to negate that advantage rather than just rolling over. It certainly wouldn't cover somebody "retaliating" to a small-scale attack on a military target by launching an attack fifty times larger six months later, in a completely different city, targeted against civilian populations.

There's a reason why even Russia and Assad's regime, both of whom are accusing the rebels of carrying out the Aleppo incident, haven't made the argument that "Well, even if we did do it it would totally be okay because they started it". It's just not a thing.


Which circles back to my original point: IF the issue is the use of chemical weapons--and ONLY use of chemical weapons--then it should not matter who used them, or which incident triggered which response. If the US is getting involved because gas was used in violation of international law, then that should be sufficient. It should be irrelevant that "They used them, so we get to use some too," as a defense is being trotted out by either side, any more than a killer gets to say "He threatened me first!"...IF the rationale is to remove the means for using that particular objectionable weapon.

Either use of nerve gas is wrong--by either side, under any circumstances, even if "they used them first!"--and invites retaliation by the world at large; or it is not and does not, period. Because if there is some inkling that "Well, the rebels used gas, so it's only fair that the government should get a turn" or vice versa in some kind of good-for-the-goose scenario, then obviously the concern is NOT for the inherent horror and evil of the weapon itself, and the US (and the rest of the world) should shut up and let them fight. And if the concern is that the government using chemical weapons is bad and America can act, but if the rebels used them or some rogue general used them against orders then there's some moral ambiguity here and we can't act--then again, obviously the concern is NOT about the awfulness and evil of the weapons, and again, everyone should STFU and get out of the pool.

The only possible rationale--not that it's a good one, but the only possible one--for any attack on Syria is that chemical weapons have been used in violation of international law. That's one of the oldest international laws, and one that most countries have pretty much agreed to follow, even while we've bombed the living crap out of each other for the past century. So either we all agree to keep on doing that OR nerve agents are accepted as just another type of munition and we live with that specter; but if that's the red line Obama wants to draw, then it has to be drawn across everyone, government and insurgent alike.

It's not a good option, frankly; but that's the only reason I can see to even be thinking of intervening in Syria. Unless, as I've been saying, there's some third player in this game that we don't know about, that makes stepping on Syria absolutely imperative for some other reason besides that Assad gassed a few people to death.
 
2013-09-06 03:27:56 AM

hardinparamedic: Frederick: You do realize Alex Jones is a frequent guest on C2C....?

I do. I also know he pushes things that even George Norrie considers out there.


Well....according to X-Files, that's where the truth is.

/checkmate
 
2013-09-06 03:32:42 AM

Frederick: Well....according to X-Files, that's where the truth is.

/checkmate


And all this time I thought it was in Skully's vagina.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/and as a bonus, the abduction scenes played to inflation fetishists.
 
2013-09-06 04:05:16 AM
Alex Jones? Oh, please, I'd rather take David Icke seriously.
 
2013-09-06 04:27:41 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: Mike_LowELL: Kit Fister: No one will care. This won't even get greened.

I hope it does.  InfoWars infromes me like no other web site.  If this headline gets downvoted, then it is proof that the NSA has gotten to the owner of this web site.  There would be no other explanation.

FTFY

Oh. Its you again.

And you think Infowars has a shred of credibility?  Who knows where that video actually came from.

Still, is it possible the rebels have chemicals weapons?  Sure.  Are all of the rebels using them, member of Al Qaeda, or even fighting for the same cause?  No.

It's a mess over there, I honestly don't care at this point if we get involved or not, but let's not pretend there's some government conspiracy to subvert the public opinion.  Your tinfoil hat might be on too snug.


We have government employees that are paid to subvert public opinion. Psychological Operations are usually carried out on foreign countries. Especially when it comes to war, they've got to sell this thing to the public and no one is buying anymore. They will probably go ahead anyways and see what happens.
 
2013-09-06 05:10:59 AM

Mrtraveler01: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: 2wolves: Kuroshin: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Not at the poles.

Not if it's a digital clock.

Then it's only once a day as it blinks "12:00"

It's twelve o'clock twice a day, at least where I live...

Mine usually has the AM light blink with the "12:00".

/Loves how we're arguing more about clocks than Syria

 
2013-09-06 05:16:37 AM

Klippoklondike:

Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them
I know.  I saw one in the store the other day, and one of the animals was a fricken' weasel.  Cracked me up.   So, I had to test it.  It said "Obama is the anti-Christ, and he's declaring war against America."    Weasels -- go figure.
 
2013-09-06 05:35:11 AM

spamdog:

Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

WTF are you DOING?  ALWAYS attack the source of the information, and not the information, since our goals REQUIRE disinformation.  Start dorking with the facts, and ANYTHING can come out.  Just insult the source of the damning information as lunatics, and people will forget about it.

Dammit, man, you have NOT been studying.   Put in some reading time:


ridgeliner7.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-06 05:42:06 AM

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."


Great, now I'm hungry.  Know any good restaurants?
 
2013-09-06 05:52:05 AM

FlashHarry: infowars? yeah, right.

 
Esn
2013-09-06 06:26:14 AM

redsquid: Here's the real conspiracy theory- Alex Jones and his ilk are puppets for the system. They spout 99% gibberish and the ever so occasional nugget of truth. Look- no one looks for diamonds in the sewer. If someone told you there were diamonds under all the crap you wouldn't believe them. If a credible person told you about the diamonds, you would think they were gullible or stupid. All you've ever seen in the sewer is shiat and you will not believe anything to the contrary.
  The thing is that maybe the sewer is the best place of all to hide diamonds. Once a story has been tainted with the conspiracy label legitimate journalists will not touch it. It's not about control of the information itself. The only thing that matters is the public's perception of the information.
  That's the real Info War... if you believe that kind of thing. Us cool kids know that conspiracy stuff is all bullshiat. Right?


Yes, I've heard that one. Do you read ClubOrlov by any chance? He called it the "crank bait contract". I have no idea if it's true, but it sounds like something that would actually work - make sure that all the really damaging stories are revealed by obvious conspiracy nuts so that only a small % of people ever believe them.
 
2013-09-06 06:32:54 AM
redsquid:
  The thing is that maybe the sewer is the best place of all to hide diamonds.

Is it safe?
 
2013-09-06 06:37:26 AM

Esn: redsquid: Here's the real conspiracy theory- Alex Jones and his ilk are puppets for the system. They spout 99% gibberish and the ever so occasional nugget of truth. Look- no one looks for diamonds in the sewer. If someone told you there were diamonds under all the crap you wouldn't believe them. If a credible person told you about the diamonds, you would think they were gullible or stupid. All you've ever seen in the sewer is shiat and you will not believe anything to the contrary.
  The thing is that maybe the sewer is the best place of all to hide diamonds. Once a story has been tainted with the conspiracy label legitimate journalists will not touch it. It's not about control of the information itself. The only thing that matters is the public's perception of the information.
  That's the real Info War... if you believe that kind of thing. Us cool kids know that conspiracy stuff is all bullshiat. Right?

Yes, I've heard that one. Do you read ClubOrlov by any chance? He called it the "crank bait contract". I have no idea if it's true, but it sounds like something that would actually work - make sure that all the really damaging stories are revealed by obvious conspiracy nuts so that only a small % of people ever believe them.


The greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing the world he didnt exist.

/or something
 
2013-09-06 06:57:22 AM

tripleseven:

Infowars.

lol...


Anyone have a link to that fat, dopey infowars moron getting told off after the boston marathon?

Pretty funny.

Is this it?
 
2013-09-06 07:20:57 AM
Deep within the catacombs of an NSA bunker command center located somewhere deep beneath the public bathrooms of a seedy whorehouse

Special Agent Boner (perusing the daily classified tabloid papers/intel):

"The rebels we're funding in a bloody civil war are hooked up with the guys who kill Americans and vow to harm Americans on our own soil. That is a predicament. hmmmm. . . what should be done about this?

. . .

AHA!I know!

Sounds like some warrantless domestic wiretaps will fix that problem right up. I'll get right to work on it! I wonder what your Grandma Mabel is looking at on the internet. . . hmmmm *fap fap fap* It's a hard job but someone's gotta do it."

Commander Contwiggle:

"Good job Agent Boner! Glad to have people like you on board keeping us safe from Al Qaeda!"

'Merica.
 
2013-09-06 08:01:16 AM

Radioactive Ass: skullkrusher: the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria

No. He. Does. Not.

He himself has said, back in 2007 when Bush was contemplating bombing Iran, that the president has to go to congress if there is no immediate threat to the nation or right after the nation has been attacked. Neither of these things are true here therefor he had to go to congress. Libya was a slightly different situation because NATO was involved which allowed the bypassing of congressional approval due to treaty obligations. If NATO hadn't been involved and it was just us then yes, he would have had to run it through congress first.

Just because other previous presidents have abused this "Right" doesn't mean that it is legal. Know the difference. Cops let people off with a warning all of the time, that doesn't mean that you weren't breaking the law, it just means that they hope that the warning message was going to be effective. 1 MPH over the limit will get you a ticket if the cop wants to give it to you.


And in 2013 he said that he does have the authority. You gonna believe past Obama or present Obama?
 
2013-09-06 08:05:28 AM

ciberido:

Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."

Great, now I'm hungry.  Know any good restaurants?
Go ask Alice...
 
2013-09-06 08:27:13 AM
330 comments on an infowars submission.

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-09-06 08:32:03 AM
Infowars says this is legit?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wake me when the video comes from a credible source.
 
2013-09-06 08:46:13 AM

skozlaw: 330 comments on an infowars submission.

This is why we can't have nice things.


What? Most of the comments are about how infowars is a festering pile of bullshiat. Your desire to make a 'clever' quip has been overcome by your inability to scan the thread.
 
2013-09-06 08:55:02 AM

Radioactive Ass: That aside this is truly a cold war comparison in light of what I said before. Once a type of weapon is used by one side when is the returned type of weapon supposed to be "Wrong"? In nuclear weapons we have a buffer of about 90 days which is the standard food duration of an SSBN. Where does it end in lesser conflicts where feeding the people shooting the weapons is more fluid?


As far as I can see, there is no official sanction for using chemical weapons under international law, even if it is in response to a similar attack by your enemy, at least not under the original Geneva protocol. The only thing is that many signatories "reserved the right" to retaliate "in kind" if such weapons were used against them. There are a few reasons why this wouldn't apply to the Damascus attack:

1 - It can't reasonably be termed a "retaliation" to the Aleppo incident. Not just because of how much later it happened, but because of where it took place and what kind of operation it was - it was part of a push to retake suburbs of Damascus that was completely unrelated to whatever fighting was going on in Aleppo.

2 - It's not even clear that it was an "in kind" response - it would be akin to responding to an isolated tactical nuke by launching dozens of missiles with massive payloads.

But even apart from that, the targeting of civilians would provide a separate justification for intervention even if you ignore everything else. That's what happened in Libya; the intervention came primarily in response to fears about further civilian casualties.

In short, there is nothing that can justify this attack, even if the rebels were behind the incident in Aleppo. Assad knows this, which is why he's continuing to make the laughable claim that the rebels were behind the Damascus attack as well, rather than merely writing it off as an "in kind retaliation".
 
2013-09-06 09:02:34 AM

skullkrusher: And in 2013 he said that he does have the authority. You gonna believe past Obama or present Obama?


If he does act by himself without Congressional authorization, it would open up the 60 day window after which he would have to either withdraw or seek authorization (or get into a legal challenge over the WPR). With Libya, it was obvious that this authorization wasn't needed due to treaty obligations, but the Syria thing might not involve a collective NATO response so that might not come into play.

It makes sense that he would want a more solid basis before going in, either through NATO or Congress, because two months isn't a very long time and the last thing he'd want is to start something and be forced to cut it short.
 
2013-09-06 09:11:53 AM

big pig peaches: Fark really needs to show the link source in the make a decent mobile version.

 
2013-09-06 09:14:57 AM

Biological Ali: In short, there is nothing that can justify this attack, even if the rebels were behind the incident in Aleppo. Assad knows this, which is why he's continuing to make the laughable claim that the rebels were behind the Damascus attack as well, rather than merely writing it off as an "in kind retaliation".


When both sides have used chemical weapons, you can't intervene on only one side of the conflict and claim your purpose is to stop the use of chemical weapons.  You're not enforcing international law, you're using chemical weapons as an excuse to pick sides in a civil war.  If chemical weapons were really the concern, the strikes would be on both Assad and the rebels' capacity to use chemical weapons.

Biological Ali: But even apart from that, the targeting of civilians would provide a separate justification for intervention even if you ignore everything else. That's what happened in Libya; the intervention came primarily in response to fears about further civilian casualties.


Humanitarian intervention is governed by Chapter VII of the UN Charter and explicitly requires a resolution from the UN Security Council.  The fact that a member of the Council will veto your resolution does not change the requirements by which all member nations agreed to bind themselves.

Starting a war of humanitarian intervention without a UNSC Resolution is illegal.  Showing pictures of victims on the news and feeling like we should "do something" doesn't change the law.
 
2013-09-06 09:31:39 AM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


The cow says "Moooo".

Well, I'll be damned. You're right!
 
2013-09-06 09:33:47 AM
As we highlighted last week, Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta admitted to a reporter that they were responsible for last month's chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad's forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

But I thought the Right was telling us that these Chem Weapons were used by Assad's government, and that they got them from Iraq when Saddam "smuggled them out of the country"? NOW they're telling us that the guy who kissed Bush and held hands with him is the one providing the weapons? How does this justify the Iraq invasion now?

And seriously, if we're going to bomb ANYONE, it should be friggin' Saudi Arabia, they were the country that produced 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, after all.
 
2013-09-06 09:33:51 AM

imontheinternet: When both sides have used chemical weapons, you can't intervene on only one side of the conflict and claim your purpose is to stop the use of chemical weapons. You're not enforcing international law, you're using chemical weapons as an excuse to pick sides in a civil war. If chemical weapons were really the concern, the strikes would be on both Assad and the rebels' capacity to use chemical weapons.


There is no realistic way to strike at the capacity of either side to carry out the kind of attack that happened in Aleppo because of how small-scale and isolated it was - that would entail targeting every piece of ordnance in the country (no matter how small).

On the other hand, there is a realistic way to limit the ability to carry out the kind of attack in Damascus, since it involved a coordinated large-scale rocket and artillery attack. Moreover, the Damascus attack was targeted at civilian areas while Aleppo involved mostly military casualties. It makes perfect sense that the latter would trigger international involvement while the former wouldn't, without obligating whoever intervenes to also attack the rebels just to maintain some weird sense of balance.

imontheinternet: Humanitarian intervention is governed by Chapter VII of the UN Charter and explicitly requires a resolution from the UN Security Council. The fact that a member of the Council will veto your resolution does not change the requirements by which all member nations agreed to bind themselves.

Starting a war of humanitarian intervention without a UNSC Resolution is illegal. Showing pictures of victims on the news and feeling like we should "do something" doesn't change the law.


Kosovo didn't have a UN resolution backing it before NATO intervened either. There's enough support (including regional support) that there won't be any major controversy if intervention does happen, and the UN will likely sanction peacekeeping forces after the fact just like it did with Kosovo.
 
2013-09-06 09:48:16 AM

JohnnyC: Your desire to make a 'clever' quip has been overcome by your inability to scan the thread.


So your theory is that "nice things" is people giving Drew clicks and eyes to encourage him to continue posting things people don't like?

That doesn't make much sense.
 
2013-09-06 10:02:24 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
interesting tag + info wars  = interdasting tag?
 
2013-09-06 10:34:47 AM

IlGreven: Jeez...both Alex Jones and Dennis Kucinich warn of an Al-Qaeda takeover of Syria if Assad is ousted.  Proof that conspiracy theories know no political boundaries.


I don't know about taking over however a very large portion of the rebels consist of radical Sunni Islamist insurgents and yes many are either members of Al Queda or AQ affiliated groups.

Obama/Kerry/ media etc are trying to present this as some sort of good guy(Rebels) vs bad guy (Assad) conflict. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
2013-09-06 10:39:03 AM

Radioactive Ass: darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.

That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway.


Sadly the average 18 yr old kid singing up at the local mall is not going to care or even know about that.
 
2013-09-06 10:39:43 AM
I still haven't heard anyone in the US Government explain how US intervention will improve the situation. That seems like kind of an important aspect to address before killing tons of people.
 
2013-09-06 10:42:50 AM

Amos Quito:


Who is WE, Kittypie070?


Me plus everyone else on Fark, bub. We got a telepathic hive mind thang going down, don't ya know.

/seriously, the WE is the point you wanna kazoo-hammer now!?
 
2013-09-06 10:47:07 AM

Biological Ali: On the other hand, there is a realistic way to limit the ability to carry out the kind of attack in Damascus, since it involved a coordinated large-scale rocket and artillery attack. Moreover, the Damascus attack was targeted at civilian areas while Aleppo involved mostly military casualties. It makes perfect sense that the latter would trigger international involvement while the former wouldn't, without obligating whoever intervenes to also attack the rebels just to maintain some weird sense of balance.


If you're talking about how bad one attack was versus the other, you're going back to humanitarian intervention.  If use of the weapons is a violation, both sides have violated the law.

Biological Ali:  the UN will likely sanction peacekeeping forces after the fact.

They'll sanction the war because it's an illegal war.  That's the exact point I'm making.
 
2013-09-06 10:59:27 AM

imontheinternet: Biological Ali: On the other hand, there is a realistic way to limit the ability to carry out the kind of attack in Damascus, since it involved a coordinated large-scale rocket and artillery attack. Moreover, the Damascus attack was targeted at civilian areas while Aleppo involved mostly military casualties. It makes perfect sense that the latter would trigger international involvement while the former wouldn't, without obligating whoever intervenes to also attack the rebels just to maintain some weird sense of balance.

If you're talking about how bad one attack was versus the other, you're going back to humanitarian intervention.  If use of the weapons is a violation, both sides have violated the law.


Technically, the government did not violate any treaty they signed. The CW ban they signed referred to using CWs against other countries. It did not mention internal use. And obviously the rebels don't have UN representation, so they're not in a position to ratify any treaty.
 
2013-09-06 11:10:38 AM

imontheinternet: If you're talking about how bad one attack was versus the other, you're going back to humanitarian intervention. If use of the weapons is a violation, both sides have violated the law.


First of all, who was responsible for the Aleppo incident has yet to be positively established. It may never be positively established, given how much time has passed without a proper investigation taking place. But whoever you assume to be responsible, it doesn't make sense to carry out military intervention to prevent further things like that taking place, given that it was an isolated, small-scale incident affecting primarily military personnel. You can, on the other hand, severely limit the ability of Damascus-type attacks to be repeated by taking away Assad's ability to carry out these kinds of large artillery and rocket attacks.

imontheinternet: They'll sanction the war because it's an illegal war. That's the exact point I'm making.


I didn't mean "sanction" in that sense. I meant they'll send peacekeeping forces under their own banner (thus "sanctioning" their presence there) without saying anything about the initial intervention, just like they did with Kosovo.
 
2013-09-06 11:15:48 AM

skozlaw: JohnnyC: Your desire to make a 'clever' quip has been overcome by your inability to scan the thread.

So your theory is that "nice things" is people giving Drew clicks and eyes to encourage him to continue posting things people don't like?

That doesn't make much sense.


I guess it didn't occur to you that the point of this going green was to point out the absurdity of infowars and to discuss it.

If you're so against page clicks for Drew's website, what the fark are you doing here? You're starting to strike me as the kind of guy who would pay $4 for a 12oz. bottle of water at an anti-capitalism rally.
 
2013-09-06 11:27:54 AM

spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


That's not how this works.  ANYTHING put out by infowars would have a higher burden of proof due to the constant misinformation they spew.  You don't get to say "well, you can't prove it's NOT true, therefore it's true" normally, and DEFINITELY not with this pathological liar schizophrenic.

Also, since after 300+ posts, I don't see any link to a corroborating source, I'mma call bullshiat.  Not that there was much doubt about that...
 
2013-09-06 11:41:25 AM

GeneralJim: spamdog: Snark aside, does anyone actually have any disproof of the claims in the video and article?

I mean I know it's infowars, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
WTF are you DOING?  ALWAYS attack the source of the information, and not the information, since our goals REQUIRE disinformation.  Start dorking with the facts, and ANYTHING can come out.  Just insult the source of the damning information as lunatics, and people will forget about it.
Dammit, man, you have NOT been studying.   Put in some reading time:
[ridgeliner7.files.wordpress.com image 118x200]


That GeneralJim thinks Infowars is a credible source of information should come as no surprise to anyone who has been in a climate change thread.
 
2013-09-06 12:17:32 PM
About two days ago Infowars broke the story that you could get chemical weapons ingredients at Wal Mart (the substance they are talking about is the fluoride in dental products). Yes they are a reliable source, here's a quote:

Wal-Mart, Walgreens and other large U.S. retailers have been found selling a chemical that can be used to manufacture deadly nerve gas weapons. The chemical is found in numerous products sold by Wal-Mart and Walgreens, and it is the same chemical that raised alarm when it was discovered that UK companies had been granted licenses to sell the chemical to Syria, where it is now believed the chemical was turned into a deadly nerve gas weapon of mass destruction.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041914_chemical_weapons_Wal-Mart_sarin_gas . html#ixzz2e87E7vrw
 
2013-09-06 12:28:50 PM

Valis992000: About two days ago Infowars broke the story that you could get chemical weapons ingredients at Wal Mart (the substance they are talking about is the fluoride in dental products). Yes they are a reliable source, here's a quote:

Wal-Mart, Walgreens and other large U.S. retailers have been found selling a chemical that can be used to manufacture deadly nerve gas weapons. The chemical is found in numerous products sold by Wal-Mart and Walgreens, and it is the same chemical that raised alarm when it was discovered that UK companies had been granted licenses to sell the chemical to Syria, where it is now believed the chemical was turned into a deadly nerve gas weapon of mass destruction.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041914_chemical_weapons_Wal-Mart_sarin_gas . html#ixzz2e87E7vrw


OMG - you mean I can get carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and fluorine from Wal-Mart? Jesus, it's no wonder terrorists have gassed so many people.
 
2013-09-06 12:50:36 PM
Naturalnews isn't credible either.

Also, Floriduh.
 
2013-09-06 12:56:50 PM

Kittypie070: Naturalnews isn't credible either.

Also, Floriduh.

Fluoridehr

FTFY
 
2013-09-06 01:17:59 PM

FlashHarry: well, rush limbaugh sided with somali pirates over their american hostages in the maersk alabama hijacking, simply because he hates obama's guts - it shouldn't surprise me that alex jones and the rabid right would side with the butcher of damascus in this case.


So if you're against Al Qaeda affiliated rebels who murder women and children you're for Assad?  I see.
 
2013-09-06 01:29:19 PM

dehehn: FlashHarry: well, rush limbaugh sided with somali pirates over their american hostages in the maersk alabama hijacking, simply because he hates obama's guts - it shouldn't surprise me that alex jones and the rabid right would side with the butcher of damascus in this case.

So if you're against Al Qaeda affiliated rebels who murder women and children you're for Assad?  I see.


Frankly, either side arguing that the other side is for one side or another is ridiculous and just emotional lashing out.
 
2013-09-06 01:43:25 PM
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2013-09-06 02:07:03 PM

Valis992000: About two days ago Infowars broke the story that you could get chemical weapons ingredients at Wal Mart (the substance they are talking about is the fluoride in dental products). Yes they are a reliable source, here's a quote:

Wal-Mart, Walgreens and other large U.S. retailers have been found selling a chemical that can be used to manufacture deadly nerve gas weapons. The chemical is found in numerous products sold by Wal-Mart and Walgreens, and it is the same chemical that raised alarm when it was discovered that UK companies had been granted licenses to sell the chemical to Syria, where it is now believed the chemical was turned into a deadly nerve gas weapon of mass destruction.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041914_chemical_weapons_Wal-Mart_sarin_gas . html#ixzz2e87E7vrw


Yeah, no.  The two you get at Wal-mart have benign purposes as well.  Hell, we regularly have entire threads here on which kinds of the second one we like to drink.  Non-story is a non-story.
 
2013-09-06 02:22:11 PM

GhostFish: I find it odd how people frame things.

We don't want to aid a vicious dictator and we don't want to aid rebels that might be Al Qaeda sympathizers.

That's all fine and good. But is that really enough reason to just sit back and do nothing while innocent civilians are stuck in the crossfire?

I realize that we don't get involved in a great many conflicts where innocent people are being hurt. But to just openly say "there's no benefit for us to get involved, so suck it civilians" is a biatchilling.


Syria looks a lot like Iraq.  There are bad guys , worse guys and religious extremists, and a lot of civilians caught in the crossfire.  I don't know how we can help them and there's an excellent chance that our meddling could make it worse.
 
2013-09-06 02:30:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: According to the video tape, the rebels said: "I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."

That was cool and refreshing.

You need to sit on the Group W bench.

/didn't think that was too obscure


Is sitting him in Group W a case of blind justice?
 
2013-09-06 07:47:08 PM

vygramul: BolshyGreatYarblocks: Aristocles: BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?

+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance

I was a 91A secondary, so I should.

Hmmm... it's almost as if there's a difference, like WP isn't a chemical weapon banned by the chemical weapon convention. It would almost be like missing the point entirely why a gas weapon is included but WP is not.


Whatever, Pointdexter.
 
2013-09-07 07:20:24 AM

Graffito: Syria looks a lot like Iraq.  There are bad guys , worse guys and religious extremists, and a lot of civilians caught in the crossfire.


Why exactly guys who aren't Assad or religious extremists are bad?
 
2013-09-07 09:15:15 AM

vygramul:

That GeneralJim thinks Infowars is a credible source of information should come as no surprise to anyone who has been in a climate change thread.
Gee, now I'm going to have to call for citations showing I think Infowars is a credible source of information. I think you just made this up. Hang on a sec, let me check.... Nope, I view things published by Infowars with rather intense skepticism. So, where do you get off making up shiat about what I supposedly think, and passing that off as fact? You're obviously LESS reliable than Infowars. Think about THAT for a while.
 
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