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2013-09-05 11:14:26 PM
So Obama supports chemical weapon using Al Queda. He went full Jane Fonda. He is this generation/s John Kerry
 
2013-09-05 11:15:41 PM

uber humper: skullkrusher: I could push you in the shallow water if you'd like but the President has the authority to order strikes on Syria. He knows he does. We assisted the Libyan resistance for months without congressional approval. Fact is he doesn't want to actually help the rebels. The last thing the Middle East and the world needs is the Syrian WMD stockpiles being spoils of war for a bunch of yahoos, 3/4 of which are probably jihadi jackoffs or at least sympathizers.

You don't think the US has been equiping and training them all along? I hope you're right and the Presidents push in congress fails.  We do not need to equip Al Qaeda

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-cia-syria-201306 22


that doesn't surprise me. After all, the President talked about the red line and enormous consequences last summer. Then word started to trickle out about the allahu ackbar-ish nature of many of the fighters and their allies and suddenly helping these shiatheads win isn't quite so appealing
 
2013-09-05 11:16:10 PM

Nemo's Brother: So Obama supports chemical weapon using Al Queda. He went full Jane Fonda. He is this generation/s John Kerry


Can you get any dumber?
 
2013-09-05 11:21:07 PM

Aristocles: BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?

+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance


I was a 91A secondary, so I should.
 
2013-09-05 11:21:18 PM

uber humper: darth_badger: I know it gets hard to think the people you elect can be evil, killing people for profit POWER. But it's time to own up and take a real look at things.

FTFY.  Money is just one form of power


True.
 
2013-09-05 11:22:13 PM

vygramul: uber humper: Democrat Congressman saying Obama & Co  manipulated the intel

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

The question is why Germany manipulated the intel.


Lower LNG prices.
 
2013-09-05 11:24:17 PM
Bbbbbbbbut Wolf Blitzer already swore the Syrian Govt did it.
 
2013-09-05 11:24:18 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Aristocles: BolshyGreatYarblocks: LOL, how long into the US's war against nefarious chemical weapons users will it be before the US military uses fuel-air explosives, white phosphorus ordnance, or both?

+ 1 for knowing how to spell ordnance

I was a 91A secondary, so I should.


Hmmm... it's almost as if there's a difference, like WP isn't a chemical weapon banned by the chemical weapon convention. It would almost be like missing the point entirely why a gas weapon is included but WP is not.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:05 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

So you can look into his mind, eh?


Not now he can't.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:15 PM

Biological Ali: They're two separate incidents.


You don't say?

Biological Ali: Even if you assume that the rebels carried out that attack


Yeah I'm sure the Syrian government launched sarin gas at their own soldiers.

Like someone else around here has been saying: Who benefits? It certainly isn't the Syrian regime that's about to benefit from this attack.


Regarding this article:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/09/05/alan -g rayson-syria-intelligence-manipulated

"The White House released its four-page public report Aug. 30, arguing that Assad's government killed 1,429 people on Aug. 21 with a planned chemical weapon attack. Evidence cited in that report included "intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used."

Grayson, however, says "the claim has been made that that information was completely mischaracterized."

He points to an article published by The Daily Caller that alleges the communications actually showed Syrian officers were surprised by the alleged chemical weapon attack. The communications, according to unnamed sources paraphrased in article, were intercepted by Israeli intelligence and "doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion." "

...

Members of Congress are "not being given any of the underlying elements of the intelligence reports," according to Grayson. He's not sure if the information will come before the votes on a proposed strike next week.



These are perfectly valid concerns. If you want to gobble up the US government's case like you did with Iraq, well that's on you.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:43 PM

Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them


The sheep says baaaaa?
 
2013-09-05 11:29:29 PM

ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?


Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!
 
2013-09-05 11:31:12 PM

darth_badger: Coming on a Bicycle: skullkrusher: The President does not want to bomb Syria. If the President wanted to bomb Syria, we would be bombing Syria right now. He says he wants to bomb Syria. He actually does not, though. The President is actually banking on NOT getting approval so he can say that he really, really wanted to bomb Syria but he has to listen to the elected representatives of the people

So you can look into his mind, eh?

Not now he can't.



4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot as a foil wrapped baked potato
 
2013-09-05 11:33:26 PM

ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?


If by sheep you mean someone who just swallows what Alex Jones spoon-feeds them, then yes. Rejecting the mainstream line in favor of an ideologically satisfying fairy tale doesn't make you an independent thinker. It makes you gullible and willing to believe anything so long as it contradicts the mainstream narrative, regardless of whether that narrative is close to the truth.
 
2013-09-05 11:33:38 PM
I listen once a week, I won't lie.. He blows a lot of stuff way out of proportion, but some stuff is very interesting...

Fun drinking game, anytime he says any of these phrases take a drink

Ladies and gentlemen
On record
Obama
Christian
 
2013-09-05 11:34:17 PM

ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!


Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers
 
2013-09-05 11:36:36 PM
I see your stinking unshaved guy in clean new fatigues you cannot buy in Syria on a camcorder talking about having and using chemical weapons and raise you seven clean shaved well dressed men with digital recording studios talking about how they speak with aliens.

So, give us something real next time?
 
2013-09-05 11:38:45 PM

darth_badger: ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!

Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers


Oh Jesus h Christ...the rabbit hole appears to plunge deep into the frontal lobes of these tinfoil hat wearing types.
Holy shiat...the tinfoil keeps their brains from leaking out not radio waves from getting in, it all makes sense now.
 
2013-09-05 11:40:00 PM

prjindigo: I see your stinking unshaved guy in clean new fatigues you cannot buy in Syria on a camcorder talking about having and using chemical weapons and raise you seven clean shaved well dressed men with digital recording studios talking about how they speak with aliens.

So, give us something real next time?


And I will give you clean shaved, well-dressed guys who wave uranium yellowcake around the UN.
 
2013-09-05 11:40:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: You need to sit on the Group W bench.


Can't.

Busy Father-Raping.
 
2013-09-05 11:41:44 PM

spamdog: Yeah I'm sure the Syrian government launched sarin gas at their own soldiers.

Like someone else around here has been saying: Who benefits? It certainly isn't the Syrian regime that's about to benefit from this attack.


The Syrian regime has already benefited from the attack. It hit opposition-held suburbs in Damascus and helped with their bid to retake the city. Moreover, the evidence that the regime carried it out also includes the nature of the attack itself - a "large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack", as per the USG report. The rebels have never carried out such an attack before, and indeed it's not clear whether they even have the capability to do so.


spamdog: He points to an article published by The Daily Caller that alleges the communications actually showed Syrian officers were surprised by the alleged chemical weapon attack. The communications, according to unnamed sources paraphrased in article, were intercepted by Israeli intelligence and "doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion." "


I daresay that "Unnamed sources paraphrased by a Daily Caller article" might even give Infowars a strong challenge in the competition for "Worst information source possible".
 
2013-09-05 11:42:10 PM

redsquid: All you've ever seen in the sewer is shiat and you will not believe anything to the contrary.


I knew some guys whose job it was to flush out sewer lines. They had one of huge pickle jars about halfway full of jewelry. He said that they cash it in every year about a month before xmas. There were a "Lot" of rings in there.

They had one of those ultrasonic jewelry cleaners and everything. You would never be able to tell where they had once been. In short: There actually are diamonds in the sewers.
 
2013-09-05 11:45:58 PM
2wolves:  Which rebels?  There are at least three groups fighting each other and Assad.   This is a fuster cluck of incredible dimensions.

My view on U.S. involvement in Syria:

i.imgur.com

1) France and Turkey are more than capable of handling it themselves.

2) fark this proxy war shiat.
 
2013-09-05 11:48:05 PM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-05 11:49:52 PM

Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.


Proxy war?
 
2013-09-05 11:53:21 PM

Nabb1: T. E. Lawrence was right


And the man enjoyed a good beating.
 
2013-09-05 11:57:22 PM

wahsman: I vote for whatever makes my gas cheaper,dammit.  God bless 'Murica!


Hey can I borrow your backyard for a few years?

poetcore.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-05 11:59:37 PM

vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.
 
2013-09-06 12:01:02 AM

golden goat: Unless you have better credible examples, I'll get news from news agencies and not youtube.


I would say that it shows intent and it shows just how easy it would be to fake a scene like that. So regardless if that particular exercise was effective or not it indicates that you need to be skeptical of still photos from the region (well, almost any still photo from anywhere really) unless the source of the photo is unimpeachable. This is also probably why those photos never made it into credible media outlets.
 
2013-09-06 12:04:11 AM

Biological Ali: spamdog: There's a lot of shooting the messenger here, but the doubts about the Syrian government actually carrying out this attack are reasonable doubts.

I'm willing to bet that about 90% of the people here scoffing at infowars haven't even read the article or watched the video. The news articles linked on the infowars page are from the BBC and Reuters.

If it was a Republican president pushing for this, all the Democrats here would be expressing similar doubts about the credibility of the evidence put forth by the US government. But criticizing the US government here would be giving the Republicans a victory, so nobody whispers a word of protest.

Democrats love a good war for peace.

Do you think that the evidence that Assad's regime carried out the attack is stronger or weaker than the evidence put forward by the Bush administration in support of their claims prior to the invasion of Iraq?


In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.
 
2013-09-06 12:05:22 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


That would be a nice change of pace. Rather than the U.S. being responsible for all the ills of the world, we're actually the dupes and nothing is our fault at all because we're just too dumb to do our own shiat. Kind of the opposite extreme.
 
2013-09-06 12:07:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.


Or you know, the first incident was not as conclusive as this incident. The world tends not to be black and white.
 
2013-09-06 12:09:52 AM
So a "rebel" in Latakia, an area full of Alawites supporting Assad, says he has a ton of chemical weapons and likes killing women and children just before the U.S. is going to come in and help his cause... Seems legit.

The only reason for rebels to use chemical weapons is to induce the West to help them, but only the jihadists would be likely to use them, and the jihadists are now going into hiding because they're afraid of America coming in and removing them along with Assad. It's pretty farking obvious Assad's behind the chemical attacks.
 
2013-09-06 12:10:16 AM
I'm actually just reading the public US intelligence assessment now, and I think I might have changed my mind...
 
2013-09-06 12:11:41 AM

darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway. Real mercenaries for hire take in some serious cash. I knew one and he spent some time in a Rhodesian prison because of it. Sure he made a lot of money but he went through hell to get it. He strongly advised people not to get into that line of business.

He was also someone that you didn't want to piss off. He looked and acted pretty meek and soft but I saw him bounce someone out of his bar once and he wasn't nice about it, not at all.
 
2013-09-06 12:13:26 AM

spamdog: I'm actually just reading the public US intelligence assessment now, and I think I might have changed my mind...


Throw a brother a link would ya...
 
2013-09-06 12:15:48 AM

darth_badger: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.


The Saudis and Qatar have been arming and funding the opposition from the start.  The US is the air force and the opposition are the boots on the ground.
 
2013-09-06 12:19:41 AM
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SEEMS LEGIT
 
2013-09-06 12:19:55 AM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 610x437]


Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you're serious.
 
2013-09-06 12:20:38 AM

darth_badger: ficklefkrfark: ficklefkrfark: Klippoklondike: Farking Alex Jones, man.  You're more likely to get credible information from one of those plastic kids toy phones that make animal noises when you dial them

The sheep says baaaaa?

Fisher price is a known propaganda arm of the illuminati....study it out!

Also check into Lego ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594243/pg1


/should have a laugh before the world goes bonkers


Thanks for that entertaining link.. some of those people in the comments I think might be serious about all of that.
 
2013-09-06 12:20:50 AM
This sure could be fake.  Wouldn't put it past Assad or Putin.
If it's real we have some big time problems with either the state dept making up shiat or Obama making up shiat.
Both have serious credibility issues and a proven history of making up lies with regards to the middle east. The last time we caught them repeating for weeks on end the "a youtube video caused a protest to get out of hand" killing and ambassador and 3 others.   It was bullshiat and we knew it right away.
If Putin is right, if the rebels gassed...
I hate to say it, but I'm "hoping" Obama is right about Assad, I just don't feel it.  Still don't want any US involvement in Syria period.
 
2013-09-06 12:21:44 AM

vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?



Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.
 
2013-09-06 12:22:52 AM
Radioactive Ass:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/164267522/08-30-2013-USG-Assessment-on-Syr ia -1 

Really the only things that still make me doubt is:
- The prior Sarin attack on Syrian soldiers
- The refusal of the western powers to wait for the UN's report on the attacks.

There's also this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/rockets-in-syrian -a ttack-carried-large-payload-of-gas-experts-say.html
which if it is to be believed, would implicate the regime. The rockets used were larger than initially reported - and carried a bigger payload.
 
2013-09-06 12:25:02 AM

Amos Quito: vygramul: Somacandra: 2) fark this proxy war shiat.

Proxy war?


Yes, proxy war.

The US fighting on the behalf of Israel.

Proxy war.


Lol - a moment ago it was on behalf of the Saudis and Qataris. Why don't you and darth badger work out for whom we're fighting and get back to me.
 
2013-09-06 12:25:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.


Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!
 
2013-09-06 12:25:36 AM
If chemical weapons are so easy to obtain (or manufacture) why haven't they been used by insurgents in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Yemen? Why hasn't Al Qaeda used them against the west?

The Syrian military is known to have large stockpiles of VX and sarin and the means (helicopters, artillery and rockets) to deliver them. The rebels do not.

The Assad regime is not a signatory to the Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention.

On the other hand, if and when the Assad regime implodes the possibility of these chemical agents falling into Islamist hands is a real concern. The US military is formulating ways to deal with this scenario should it come to pass. There is no guarantee of success.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-18/world/40047284_1_chemi ca l-weapons-syrian-government-stockpiles
 
2013-09-06 12:27:34 AM

Tyee: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

Ah come on we know Saddam used the too, on the Kurds, lots of real evidence.  We just didn't find it when we got in there.  Could happen here in Syria too  Wouldn't that be a hoot!


I'm not sure what you're saying, but just in case, there's no dispute Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
 
2013-09-06 12:28:10 AM

Radioactive Ass: darth_badger: Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the US to attack Syria. Sounds like war by proxy to me.

That sounds more like us being the biggest and baddest mercenary force in the history of all mankind. That might have an effect on enlistment and retention. You're going to have a hard time convincing people to go in or stay in if they think that the job isn't to fight for their country but instead to fight for whoever has the deepest pockets. Not at that paycheck size anyway. Real mercenaries for hire take in some serious cash. I knew one and he spent some time in a Rhodesian prison because of it. Sure he made a lot of money but he went through hell to get it. He strongly advised people not to get into that line of business.

He was also someone that you didn't want to piss off. He looked and acted pretty meek and soft but I saw him bounce someone out of his bar once and he wasn't nice about it, not at all.


Sit down and talk to some active duty service members (I'm near Fort Hood) and they will tell you that they want out because of things like this asap. When you sign up to "protect America" and wind up watching the politicians fund and arm the folks you fight in other countries you do get disillusioned .
 
2013-09-06 12:28:25 AM

vygramul: Gyrfalcon: In this case, there's at least evidence that there was use of chemical weapons, so there's that.

As to whether Assad's regime ordered the attack or not, I can't see that it matters vis a vis a strike on Syria. Either use of chemical weapons is bad and should be punished, or it isn't. It should hardly matter whether it was done by an evil dictator or an evil terrorist/insurgent group. If it DOES, then that's just evidence that the administration is unsure of or not clear on the reasons for a preemptive strike on Syria.

Or you know, the first incident was not as conclusive as this incident. The world tends not to be black and white.


Well, yes; but that doesn't negate my other point. The argument that "we don't know whether it was Assad who ordered the strike or not" has been used by various people, and seems to me to be exceptionally weak. It should not matter who used chemical weapons--IF the rationale for a strike in Syria is the use of chemical weapons. If it DOES matter, then clearly the use of chemical agents is not the real reason for the strike; and thus the reason is suspect.
 
2013-09-06 12:30:17 AM
Infowars is not a credible information source.  Even for right wing (EXPLETIVES) like me.
 
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