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2013-09-05 08:20:18 PM  
You want this book, then.
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-09-05 08:25:05 PM  
Yup, and if the list is in order, #1 at that.
 
2013-09-05 08:40:19 PM  
Seriose question: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated? For example, in Maine & RI, the state is already pretty small, what's the function of a county anymore? There's what, 20 counties in ME? Do you need the same bureaucracy 20 times?
 
2013-09-05 09:14:49 PM  

timujin: Yup, and if the list is in order, #1 at that.


It is. *waves from county #2*
 
2013-09-05 09:15:02 PM  

dj_bigbird: Seriose question: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated?


A lot of the towns don't have governments to speak of (and what little government there is is paid next to nothing), they're too small to have their own libraries, they go with volunteer fire departments and the county covers sheriff's patrols and road maintenance. What you want to watch out for is some smarmy Andrew Cuomo type cruising in offering consolidation "help" from the state capitol that winds up costing more than the status quo.

New Hampshire, for example, has a huge number of state representatives...over 400...but they're part-timers, and only get paid $200 every biennium. I'd take that in a minute over the 200-odd hacks in Albany who start at $80,000/yr for their part-time gig and then tack on tens of thousands more in stipends and per diems, plus outside income.
 
2013-09-05 09:18:37 PM  
Not me

/but I commute to one of them for work
 
2013-09-05 09:25:24 PM  
I am, and always will be, living several hundred miles from the nearest of those counties.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:47 PM  

DrPainMD: I am, and always will be, living several hundred miles from the nearest of those counties.


Penitentiary?
 
2013-09-05 09:31:35 PM  

DrPainMD: I am, and always will be, living several hundred miles from the nearest of those counties.


*goodgrumpycat.jpg*
 
2013-09-05 09:34:34 PM  

Gulper Eel: dj_bigbird: Seriose question: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated?

A lot of the towns don't have governments to speak of (and what little government there is is paid next to nothing), they're too small to have their own libraries, they go with volunteer fire departments and the county covers sheriff's patrols and road maintenance. What you want to watch out for is some smarmy Andrew Cuomo type cruising in offering consolidation "help" from the state capitol that winds up costing more than the status quo.

New Hampshire, for example, has a huge number of state representatives...over 400...but they're part-timers, and only get paid $200 every biennium. I'd take that in a minute over the 200-odd hacks in Albany who start at $80,000/yr for their part-time gig and then tack on tens of thousands more in stipends and per diems, plus outside income.


Plus, the government of small counties is generally pretty small.  A rural county in FL might have a courthouse, a library, one or two tax collector and DMV offices, and one or two sheriff's offices, maybe a couple other random government buildings.  If everything was run centrally those same resources would need to be in place in those areas to serve the local people (you can't expect people to drive 400 miles to get a driver's license, renew their registration, or serve on a jury).  Breaking it up at the county level allows for the local communities to have a voice in their local government.
 
2013-09-05 09:44:28 PM  

Paris1127: timujin: Yup, and if the list is in order, #1 at that.

It is. *waves from county #2*


The top ten pretty much covers the three counties that make up "Southern California" and throwing in the next two includes the dirt people from next door.  Wish they had the percentages listed with the county names, it'd be interesting to see what the total was for those five.
 
2013-09-05 09:53:58 PM  
#3 biatches.  And it doesn't seem like we have *that* many people...
 
2013-09-05 10:02:47 PM  
I think this is why the Republican party maintains a base. The other half don't live in an environment of modernity and understand the cost for maintaining infrastructure. A large city has complicated expenses.

My former step mom came from a family of success in a very small Oklahoma town. They owned the only grocery, bait shop and garage in town. They we're constantly pissed about taxes paying for the environment they profited from.

My own experience with corporate living. I lived in a town as a teenager in Morenci, AZ. It was unincorporated. Mine owners, Phelps Dodge at the time, I think it is owned by a Japanese company now, owned everything. You rented houses from the company and shared a two car garage with your neighbor who you shared a drive way with. Their was only one store owned by the company for groceries and hardware basics. Otherwise, you traveled an hour to Safford for housing or shopping options. And, people still biatched about taxes they didn't pay, which was primarily property taxes. The company did it all including a kick ass school and good teachers that were bought to move there. Corporations rarely step up like that anymore.
 
2013-09-05 10:17:53 PM  
I live in a "parish".
 
2013-09-05 10:19:36 PM  

djkutch: I think this is why the Republican party maintains a base. The other half don't live in an environment of modernity and understand the cost for maintaining infrastructure. A large city has complicated expenses.

My former step mom came from a family of success in a very small Oklahoma town. They owned the only grocery, bait shop and garage in town. They we're constantly pissed about taxes paying for the environment they profited from.

My own experience with corporate living. I lived in a town as a teenager in Morenci, AZ. It was unincorporated. Mine owners, Phelps Dodge at the time, I think it is owned by a Japanese company now, owned everything. You rented houses from the company and shared a two car garage with your neighbor who you shared a drive way with. Their was only one store owned by the company for groceries and hardware basics. Otherwise, you traveled an hour to Safford for housing or shopping options. And, people still biatched about taxes they didn't pay, which was primarily property taxes. The company did it all including a kick ass school and good teachers that were bought to move there. Corporations rarely step up like that anymore.


I think you're onto something.  Living in a rural area you're also not as exposed to other people.  If your town is 90% white and Christian, and the local church is the primary social gathering spot, it's easy to fear Muslims, Jewish People, gays, minorities, etc, because you likely haven't been exposed to many, and people tend to fear the unknown.

When you live in a more densely populated area and have neighbors, coworkers, etc, of all races and walks of life, you start to know people from those groups as actual people, instead of faceless hordes, and it makes you think 'well, Almaan is Muslim, and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys, so maybe they're not all bad like the pretty blond lady on TV tells me'.
 
2013-09-05 10:30:17 PM  
I notice this every time somebody shows me a picture from space at night.
 
2013-09-05 10:31:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: djkutch: I think this is why the Republican party maintains a base. The other half don't live in an environment of modernity and understand the cost for maintaining infrastructure. A large city has complicated expenses.

My former step mom came from a family of success in a very small Oklahoma town. They owned the only grocery, bait shop and garage in town. They we're constantly pissed about taxes paying for the environment they profited from.

My own experience with corporate living. I lived in a town as a teenager in Morenci, AZ. It was unincorporated. Mine owners, Phelps Dodge at the time, I think it is owned by a Japanese company now, owned everything. You rented houses from the company and shared a two car garage with your neighbor who you shared a drive way with. There was only one store owned by the company for groceries and hardware basics. Otherwise, you traveled an hour to Safford for housing or shopping options. And, people still biatched about taxes they didn't pay, which was primarily property taxes. The company did it all including a kick ass school and good teachers that were bought to move there. Corporations rarely step up like that anymore.

I think you're onto something.  Living in a rural area you're also not as exposed to other people.  If your town is 90% white and Christian, and the local church is the primary social gathering spot, it's easy to fear Muslims, Jewish People, gays, minorities, etc, because you likely haven't been exposed to many, and people tend to fear the unknown.

When you live in a more densely populated area and have neighbors, coworkers, etc, of all races and walks of life, you start to know people from those groups as actual people, instead of faceless hordes, and it makes you think 'well, Almaan is Muslim, and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys, so maybe they're not all bad like the pretty blond lady on TV tells me'.


My family moved to Morenci my junior year in high school from Soda Springs, Idaho. Total culture shock. I left the white world and, Mormon, for a population 99% Hispanic and folks that put Christmas lights on cacti. Strange days I tell you. But, probably best thing that ever happened to me.
 
2013-09-05 10:41:46 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Living in a rural area you're also not as exposed to other people. If your town is 90% white and Christian, and the local church is the primary social gathering spot, it's easy to fear Muslims, Jewish People, gays, minorities, etc, because you likely haven't been exposed to many, and people tend to fear the unknown.

When you live in a more densely populated area and have neighbors, coworkers, etc, of all races and walks of life, you start to know people from those groups as actual people, instead of faceless hordes, and it makes you think 'well, Almaan is Muslim, and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys, so maybe they're not all bad like the pretty blond lady on TV tells me'.


I grew up on an Air Force base. You get along with your neighbors or your dad got in trouble at work. We had one family from Arkansas that just could not get along with their next-door neighbors who were black. But my family liked them, I played with their daughter and it was always a source of entertainment to watch the Arkansasans (? dafuq do I know?) go crazy.

In a way, it taught me to dislike people that couldn't get along with others based on something as arbitrary as color. The first great line I ever delivered (Great for a 9 year old anyway) was telling the son (Who was something like 5 years old), "Why don't you go f*ck your momma's pussy?"

I didn't really know how funny it was that I was saying this to some hillbillies, I had never heard of in-breeding or anything.
 
2013-09-05 10:42:30 PM  
I'm sorry, I didn't clarify my pronoun...we were friends with the black family, if that wasn't clear in my wording.
 
2013-09-05 10:44:14 PM  

dj_bigbird: Seriose question: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated? For example, in Maine & RI, the state is already pretty small, what's the function of a county anymore? There's what, 20 counties in ME? Do you need the same bureaucracy 20 times?


16, actually. I think we have the third fewest in the United States, with Hawaii and Rhode Island each having fewer.

/Maine is a bunch of old people.
//They're ACTIVELY kicking us kids out.
 
2013-09-05 11:05:10 PM  

ajgeek: dj_bigbird: Seriose question: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated? For example, in Maine & RI, the state is already pretty small, what's the function of a county anymore? There's what, 20 counties in ME? Do you need the same bureaucracy 20 times?

16, actually. I think we have the third fewest in the United States, with Hawaii and Rhode Island each having fewer.

/Maine is a bunch of old people.
//They're ACTIVELY kicking us kids out.


Delaware has 3 counties
 
2013-09-06 12:53:35 AM  
Do a google search, some researcher recently made a map of supermarkets, and the distance from that supermarket to the nearest town, to show where the food deserts are.
 
2013-09-06 01:11:31 AM  
Those states without a single blue county should just be turned into national parks.
 
2013-09-06 01:15:35 AM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

More people live in cities than in rural areas.
 
2013-09-06 01:30:01 AM  
My county is too small.  A lot of those counties get a big advantage by their size.  My county is almost 80x smaller than San Bernandino County.  My MSA with 7 counties would make the list if combined and it's still quite a bit smaller than counties like Miami-Dade and King and still 13x smaller than San Bernandino.
 
2013-09-06 01:30:07 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys


Nobody with the name Geoff is a stand up guy. Geoffs are shifty, evil creatures.

\I say this as a Jeff.
\\Say it with me: Gee. Off.
 
2013-09-06 01:33:05 AM  

cptjeff: Nobody with the name Geoff is a stand up guy.


HOW DARE YOU
 
2013-09-06 01:33:24 AM  

Begoggle: [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 128x160]

Nowadays more people live in cities than in rural areas.


FTFY. It wasn't always like that, Romero...
 
2013-09-06 01:33:28 AM  

djkutch: My family moved to Morenci... probably best thing that ever happened to me.


The only time, from the Big Bang to the heat death of the universe, that phrase will ever be uttered.

/ Moved from 124 to 46
// Spent time in one of the... other counties
 
2013-09-06 01:34:01 AM  

cptjeff: TuteTibiImperes: and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys

Nobody with the name Geoff is a stand up guy. Geoffs are shifty, evil creatures.

\I say this as a Jeff.
\\Say it with me: Gee. Off.


Geoff Johns looks like a stand up guy.
 
2013-09-06 01:34:56 AM  
cptjeff: Nobody with the name Geoff is a stand up guy.

HOW DARE YOU
i1.ytimg.com


/now with an image that hopefully won't get thrown out
 
2013-09-06 01:43:53 AM  
www.threedonia.com
Owns this county.
 
2013-09-06 01:47:40 AM  

cptjeff: TuteTibiImperes: and Geoff is gay, and they're both stand up guys

Nobody with the name Geoff is a stand up guy. Geoffs are shifty, evil creatures.

\I say this as a Jeff.
\\Say it with me: Gee. Off.


Queensrÿche was killed by a Geoff.
 
2013-09-06 01:52:15 AM  

dj_bigbird: How many of these counties and microscopic towns could be consolidated?


In some places not even that makes much sense. I grew up in a town with a population under 200 that was about three miles from another town with a population of about 60. Outside of one small city and some municipalities surrounding it the whole whole rest of the county might've had a population of 12,000 people spread out over 850 square miles; the population density just doesn't lend itself to any serious consolidation for many purposes.

... and that's in an area that's reasonably close to civilization, just a couple hours from Chicago, St. Louis and Indianapolis. I can't imagine what things are like in BFE Montana or Flyspeck, Arizona.
 
2013-09-06 02:04:25 AM  
Johnson County, KS has been getting downright crowded these past 10, 15  years. Lots of outsiders moving in.
 
2013-09-06 02:14:06 AM  
...I had no idea Birmingham, AL was that populous.
 
2013-09-06 02:25:35 AM  
I was surprised to see my old county (DuPage, IL) on the 50 densest list, but not my current county (King, WA). Then I remembered that King goes all the way out to the freakin' mountain passes and has a ton of empty space.
 
2013-09-06 02:37:09 AM  
Out of 3,144 counties in the U.S., half of the population lives in just these 146.

And the rest vote Republican.
 
2013-09-06 02:41:24 AM  

Paris1127: timujin: Yup, and if the list is in order, #1 at that.

It is. *waves from county #2*


#16 frowns on your overcrowded shenanigans
 
2013-09-06 03:07:34 AM  
excellent chartology.
 
2013-09-06 03:18:59 AM  
I've lived in four of them.
 
2013-09-06 04:22:52 AM  
NYC has 5 counties.
 
2013-09-06 06:41:20 AM  
And that is a huge part of the problem.
 
2013-09-06 07:15:55 AM  

Foxxinnia: Those states without a single blue county should just be turned into national parks.


Oklahoma could be fenced and turned into a federal prison farm along with Missouri.
 
2013-09-06 07:26:10 AM  
America is a modern, urban nation whose weird political system and it's trick rules allow it to be ruled by a tiny minority of stupid hicks. The main reason America has maybe another 60 years left to exist.
Decent, honest campaign finance reform and an end to gerrymandering could save us - but money doesn't want that, so it won't happen. I'll be dead anyway - not my problem.
 
2013-09-06 07:40:22 AM  

DrPainMD: I am, and always will be, living several hundred miles from the nearest of those counties.


All the free money from rural development programs too hard to resist?
 
2013-09-06 07:48:15 AM  
Yep. Live in Montgomery County, Texas (#138), pretty close to the boundary with Harris County (#3).
 
2013-09-06 07:56:55 AM  
And so, 1/6th of the US population gets over half the Senators.
 
2013-09-06 08:01:13 AM  

KeatingFive: And so, 1/6th of the US population gets over half the Senators.


Not only that, but they are the sixth that listens to Rushbeck and lives in a trailer.
 
2013-09-06 08:11:12 AM  
i'm surprised new orleans isn't on the map

also southern california is like the opposite of the rest of the nation - huge counties with nothing in them except at the border with LA
 
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