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2013-09-05 07:58:47 PM
13 votes:

zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.


Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.
2013-09-05 08:39:41 PM
10 votes:

doglover: Personal responsibility. Awesome. No more doctors, roads, police, or firefighters for you. Good luck.


You have cancer? F*ck you, you should have eaten more broccoli. You can't drive the roads? F*ck you, I got my Dodge Pickup. Your house burned down? F*ck you, I got mine. You got robbed? Should have had a gun.

This is their opinion until something goes wrong and they get cancer, lose their job, lose their pension, lose their health benefits, lose their car, their house burns down, or someone shoots them in the face with their own shotgun.

Unfortunately based on probability, a good 60-70% of them probably die of a heart attack before any of that sh*t happens.
2013-09-05 08:01:41 PM
9 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.


You see, that right there was a teaching moment. And teaching got done.
2013-09-05 10:29:08 PM
7 votes:
Dear Diary,

Today I didn't get to eat lunch. Ms. Ashford says it's because some people think because my family is poor I shouldn't get to eat for free, and that should teach me something.
It did teach me something.
It taught me that those people didn't go to the same Sunday school I do, because that's not what Jesus said.
I don't think I like them very much, either.
2013-09-05 07:55:54 PM
6 votes:
Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.
2013-09-06 12:33:14 AM
5 votes:

SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.


Leaving aside the total lack of humanity required to actually do this, you then have the problem of a lot of starving children running around the street. I'm usually half-joking when I suggest that the libertarian paradise is actually a lot like Somalia, but in this case, it doesn't seem so funny.

There's always lots of talk of parental responsibility, it's a consistent theme when it comes to things like feeding or educating children. But the fact is, a child is a human being with basic rights, whether or not their parent is able or willing to provide for them.

Jesus Farking Christ.
2013-09-05 08:10:44 PM
5 votes:
Personal responsibility. Awesome. No more doctors, roads, police, or firefighters for you. Good luck.
2013-09-06 12:33:00 AM
4 votes:

SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.


And then the taxpayers can completely take care of the kids

/a very well thought out plan, that
2013-09-05 09:20:31 PM
4 votes:
This actually happened to my kid once.
I forgot to put money in his account (Hey, thanks for the $3.00 CONVENIENCE FEE on that, by the way), but they at least gave him a sandwich.
It was just jelly, but at least he got to eat.
If your 3 quarters into a school and they say "No lunch for you." I'd storm in pissed.
It's not like these kids are flight risks for $3.00.
2013-09-06 06:02:59 AM
3 votes:
Only in the USA can we have a serious discussion about the idea of feeding kids.

We are truly a nation of psychopaths and narcissists.

We see commercials for people in Africa needing food, so we send money.
We see USA kids starving and want to punish their parents.

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2013-09-06 12:22:56 AM
3 votes:
Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.
2013-09-06 12:04:05 AM
3 votes:

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


I went to Catholic school growing up and we had a pretty strict dress code.  When I was eight years old I told my mom she didn't do a very good job of ironing my shirt, and that was the week I learned how to iron.  My mother never ironed another thing for me or my twin brother.  I was a smartass, so I just went to school with a wrinkled shirt, but that got me detention.  Took me all of a day to ask her how to iron something, and she told me to ask my father since she "lacked the level of talent you expect from a laundress."

On the plus side, I am a phenomenal ironer.  I am also an excellent cook due to an ill-advised editorial comment  I made when I was ten.
2013-09-05 11:37:49 PM
3 votes:
Hmmm...how very Christian...

Isaiah 50:10: If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.Proverbs 28:27: Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.James 2:14-18: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my worksLuke 3:11: And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.Proverbs 14:31 :Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.John 3:17-18: But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.Romans 12:20: To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."Matthew 25:37-40: Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

Proverbs 22:9: Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

Galatians 6:2: Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.Isaiah 61:1-2: The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who Terrible that so much of the Bible is full of this Commie stuffs...
2013-09-05 09:25:36 PM
3 votes:

HawgWild: doglover: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

Even the Spartans waited till 7.

And where are they today, huh?

Exactly ...


The Spartans lasted a long time. Even in their decline, the were fearsome enough to avoid being conquered by Alexander the Great. They're decidedly role models in some facets of life, if you wish to be tough with a capital T O U G H and about twenty exclaimation points. But their rigid society with no upwards mobility but plenty of pitfalls slowly ground them out of existence.


The point is, though, even the crazy farkers who WANTED to starve their kids to teach them were more socially responsible than modern Republicans. This guy might be an extremist, but "don't feed school kids" is a recurring theme in the right's discourse.
2013-09-05 08:25:35 PM
3 votes:
Are we talking semantics here? Who cares if he is a correspondent or not? Nice misdirection.
2013-09-05 08:04:01 PM
3 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.


Sorry, I meant to say correspondent as the last part of my response he definitely is not a correspondent. I apologize profusely for my mistake.

They also invited a lady on there which gave the other viewpoint of the whole thing. I guess that part got left out because it didn't fit the narrative.
2013-09-05 07:50:07 PM
3 votes:
Thomas Kersting, who is alarmingly a school counselor, said, "You know, if one day a kid doesn't have lunch, right, maybe that's a teaching moment when that kid doesn't have lunch. That may sound harsh saying that, but we've got to get people to start being responsible for themselves."

Yeah. Maybe they should have had those abortions. No wait ...
2013-09-06 10:17:47 AM
2 votes:

Belias: In our local school system, if you fall behind on your child's wallet payments, they start giving your kid a cheese sandwich instead of a full lunch, for the younger kids. At higher grades, they get nothing. I agree that this is better, but it's still punishing only the child, and in the end, the parent is even less likely to pay their freaking bill.


Michelle Obama has her name on an initiative for "Healthy School Meals" that gives small children less food, and gives high schoolers more.

It baffles me.  Somebody should send her some watermelon seeds.  You find you need to water growing plants a hell of a lot (fertilizer for vegetables yes... nutrient-rich soil for trees, but not heavily fertilized because fast overfertilized growth weakens the trees and they're supposed to be permanent), and less when they've stopped growing so rapidly.  Lots of water as the seedlings grow and vines stretch out; not so much when they're flowering; TONS of water when they start fruiting.

Who the hell goes, "Hey, I know, let's feed 6 year olds 400 calories and 16 year olds 800 calories!  16 year olds are bigger and need more, right?"

Missing a meal once in a while:  end of the world.  Slow, long-term malnutrition:  championed public policy.
2013-09-06 09:00:10 AM
2 votes:
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2013-09-06 07:50:45 AM
2 votes:
On of the parts of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" that has always stuck in my memory was the 'news' show that ran 24/7.  If I remember correct, they said all sort of batshiat, inane drivel that the idiot masses would eat up.  They were also marked by having little or no empathy to the suffering of others.  So my question would be is if it is cheaper to make all the female hosts blonde, or is there something in the manufacturing process that dictates all the female replicant hosts have fair hair?
2013-09-06 06:48:36 AM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Hmmm...how very Christian...

Isaiah 50:10: If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.Proverbs 28:27: Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.James 2:14-18: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my worksLuke 3:11: And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.Proverbs 14:31 :Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.John 3:17-18: But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.Romans 12:20: To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."Matthew 25:37-40: Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

Proverbs 22:9: Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

Galatians 6:2: Bear one ...


Being "Christian" has little to do with the teachings of Christ these days.
2013-09-06 06:46:45 AM
2 votes:
Good luck trying to teach hungry people anything that doesn't involve them getting food.
2013-09-06 06:43:12 AM
2 votes:

doyner: Rarely is the question asked, "is are children paying for lunch?"


This is the right question.

If a company has be go to a meeting that is going to be all day they provide food. They know that we need it to focus.

Why not just budget in the feeding of children. They are our future, and we should take care of them. It is not their fault they might have been born to shiatty parents.
2013-09-06 06:22:52 AM
2 votes:
A better teaching point would be to post the names of the parents that abused, cheated and stole from the taxpayer funded free lunch program.
2013-09-06 06:12:48 AM
2 votes:
People, these aren't the kids who can't afford to eat. These are the kids with absent-minded parents. I am kind of ok with this. I would want it to be the second or third offense before a kid is starved for the afternoon though. Give the kid some toast or some shiat.

I'm sure the guy is advocating hard-line action because some douche was gaming the system and having his kid was rack up bills for weeks for a check he was going to walk out on. There are reasons the world turns cruel. Namely, cruel dicks.
2013-09-06 06:05:24 AM
2 votes:

abhorrent1: suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.


Many poor kids don't eat much at home because their parents can't afford groceries. So shut your stupid hole.
2013-09-06 06:00:15 AM
2 votes:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
2013-09-06 05:58:13 AM
2 votes:
suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.
2013-09-06 05:43:54 AM
2 votes:

Lsherm: So they handed out $50,000 worth of food to kids not because they were too poor to pay for their lunch, but because their parents neglected to fill their lunch cards.


How in the FARK did that happen? It didn't occur to anyone to withhold grade cards? Was their cut-rate software program unable to deal with negative balances? Are the school employees totally incompetent? Is this just a blatant lie?

Seriously, I could see a tiny percentage of kids ending the year with a negative balance, then they transferred out or graduated without paying. But $50k worth? No farking way.
2013-09-06 05:40:33 AM
2 votes:

theflatline: I agree with you but most parents these days also think breakfast is a juice box and a bag of chips.

I was fed bacon, eggs, toast and grits, juice and milk every morning. Missing lunch would not have been a big deal. Would have been one less dump I had to take on a nasty school crapper.


You actually used school toilets?  Ewww.  I held it regardless of the fiber content of my morning meals.  I do agree that a lot of parents aren't properly feeding their kids, that's why breakfast and lunch should be available for all kids if the kid wants it.  Have a heavy breakfast? No problem skipping lunch. Dad too drunk to remember to buy groceries this week?  Eat something, dammit.

  Some districts have even had great success sending home a sack dinner for students as well.  If you know your district's students have woefully inadequate parents, you make the sacrifices you have to in order to help the kid realize that life doesn't have to stay the way it is now and that people DO care about the success of that child.
2013-09-06 02:02:29 AM
2 votes:
Oh, the article that describes the school's reasoning.

So what it boils down to is this:

1)  Kids who don't qualify for a free lunch program have lunch cards that carry a balance to pay for lunch.
2)  Parents (not poor) are lazy about refilling the balance to make sure there's money to pay for lunch.
3)  If a (not poor) kid doesn't have money for the lunch, in previous years they would give them a free lunch out of the budget meant for poor kids.

So they handed out $50,000 worth of food to kids not because they were too poor to pay for their lunch, but because their parents neglected to fill their lunch cards.

This sounds like what my school did when I was growing up, but on a much, much grander scale.  If it gets to the point of abuse, then I can see attempting to stop what is essentially fraud (through no fault of the kid).  But this isn't the right way to do it.  Do what my school did and keep track of how far in the hole your child gets, and then either insist on payback or just take it out of the card the next time it gets filled up.

Seems to me they could solve this easily by just adjusting the debit card system to allow for a negative balance up to a certain point.
2013-09-05 09:41:40 PM
2 votes:
Weren't they dumping on a school last week for serving Michelle Obama food the kids didn't want to eat and were therefore going hungry?
2013-09-05 09:14:20 PM
2 votes:
That f*cking show is the dumbest f*cking thing on television right now.

Honestly, that's saying something.

Fox & Crazy Homeless People We've Invited Over From the Shelter! Tomorrow at 7am.
2013-09-05 09:03:36 PM
2 votes:
There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.
2013-09-06 11:58:29 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Cat Poop: Sounds like this district had a history of not giving a shiat if the forms were filled out, so nobody bothered to do it. Now it has to be filled out to qualify, but people are lazy and they do need a push to fill it out.


Trust me on this... there's not a school district in the nation that doesn't give a substantial shiat about you filling out the free lunch application.  "Number of students receiving free/reduced lunch" is the standard benchmark for "poor", and the more kids enrolled, more federal grant money (Title I, etc) and a hundred other forms of support.

If your kids might qualify for free lunch... hell, if you're willing to lie about it... admin will gladly drive to your house, any hour of the day, and give you cookies to fill out the damned form.  The more 'poor kids' the better.
2013-09-06 10:42:19 AM
1 votes:

gfid: indylaw: Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn't give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'


Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?'


And he will answer, 'I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'

Why are some people so preachy?


Sorry, but a "deity" whose neglect allowed the corruption, (and by extension, all of the suffering,) of the entire human race has exactly *no* room to expect a higher level of responsibility and empathy on the part of its "subjects".

Preach FAIL.
2013-09-06 10:39:33 AM
1 votes:
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2013-09-06 10:25:08 AM
1 votes:

Belias: I agree that this is better, but it's still punishing only the child, and in the end, the parent is even less likely to pay their freaking bill.


Since when is not giving somebody something they're not paying for "punishing" them? Seems to me that taking from one person to give another person something for free is unjustly "punishing" the former and unjustly "rewarding" the latter.
2013-09-06 10:04:34 AM
1 votes:

Belias: OK, I'll bite.  What exactly should the school system do in this case?  You have a parent with enough income to not qualify for free lunches, who repeatedly sends their child to school with no lunch and who repeatedly refuses to pay piled up charges for lunches their child has purchased.  Shall we continue to give out free lunches in this case?  Forever?

Where's the outrage at the parent?


The outrage is there, but there aren't a lot of good ways to follow up or punish them. And it's hard to make the child suffer for the sins of the parent.
2013-09-06 09:51:31 AM
1 votes:
HAMMERTOE:
Contrast this with the typical "entitled" poor American citizen. They are prone to crime, milking the system for all it's worth, and can't seem to find a job, despite the fact that the majority of the illegals find one right away, after getting here.

I agree that undocumented immigrants ARE generally hard-working and don't complain.  This makes them targets for abusive labour practices and unsafe conditions, though, which is probably why it's easier for them to get work.
2013-09-06 09:45:45 AM
1 votes:
Zombie DJ:
$3.00 CONVENIENCE FEE

The term convenience fee invariably means "it's awfully... convenient that you have no choice but to pay this".
2013-09-06 09:41:39 AM
1 votes:

MisterTweak: a child is a human being with basic rights, whether or not their parent is able or willing to provide for them.


Maybe they should be given to somebody who is willing or able?

/half serious
2013-09-06 09:16:19 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: keylock71: Hobodeluxe: wildlifer: Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

yeah!  6 year olds should be proficient in at least 4 weapons forms, one form of unarmed combat, and know two different languages.  not to mention be able to track down food, kill it, and eat it with noting more than a number 2 pencil, a couple paper clips and a single rubber band.  THAT'S the REPUBLICAN way!

When my kids where six...
Weapons yes, they knew how to use a knife , and we just started shooting the 22 magnum.
Unarmed combat: kick to the nuts or knee ,
Languages: English, hillbilly and Russian
And... He pulled the trigger on his first deer, I held the rifle. He watched me gut the animal and made snide comments about the deer not having the guts to do that again...

/suck it yuppies

lol right.

Fark is just chocker-blocked with rugged, boot-strappin' individuals and self-made, successful small businesspeople... We lucky they can take the time out of their very busy days to drop some knowledge on us.

I think he was trying to impress. but he's not trying hard enough


Naw, he's just proud.  And what's wrong with a little pride?  It's a useful skill knowing how to hunt, how to kill, how to fight back.

Problem is he doesn't realize how much PRIVILEGE it takes to play those games.  There are no free hunting ranges in the city, no cheap buses from the projects to the wilderness.

If there were, the hills would be stripped bare in a month because one of the MANY things rugged Fark Independents™ remain blind to is the sheer population density today.  There are too many damned people in this country, (an incredibly lightly-populated country compared to most of the world BTW) for everyone to ruggedly live off the land, burn 6-10 bucks worth of gas in a road-clogging car to get from the city to the country, dig up a pit's worth of topsoil, and collect enough brush and scraps to build a cozy little campfire.

I suppose it doesn't help my disposition that I've been watching season 1 of The Wire lately, so goddamn depressing because it's so goddamn true.
2013-09-06 09:09:02 AM
1 votes:

thiefofdreams: Only in the USA can we have a serious discussion about the idea of feeding kids.

We are truly a nation of psychopaths and narcissists.

We see commercials for people in Africa needing food, so we send money.
We see USA kids starving and want to punish their parents.

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It is because some people seriously believe that if kids go hungry that will help them build character and resiliency and they will become self reliant at an early age. What it really does is creates a person who feels alienated at an early age and learns at an early age to do what ever they have to do to get what they need to survive no matter who or what they have to hurt. And I know some of you will say "Well that is good, they need that for the business world" but the reality is that these will be the kids selling drugs, the kids make people so scared they point to them and the reasons they need CCW permits, the kids that are selling themselves on the streets, the ones that if they don't become criminals are still just very unscrupulous people.Some of them however do make and become decent successful people, but most don't.
2013-09-06 09:08:00 AM
1 votes:
Wow, does he not realize that some of those kids are sent to school hungry and without food because the parents just don't care. He is basically just as non-caring as their drug-addicted deadbeat parents. SO I guess he has that going for him.

Parents don't waste money on designer shoes and bags and then not have enough left over to send junior lunch/lunchmoney once a week. They are either below the poverty line and it is extremely difficult to find enough cash to pay their bills or they are below the poverty line and spend every spare dime they have on meth and even if they did have money to buy food they'd forget/not care and junior would go hungry.

Lack of compassion is the problem, not the answer.
2013-09-06 08:51:18 AM
1 votes:
Trophies for everybody! Fattest "poor people" on the planet, yet somehow people aren't getting enough to eat. The double-think is getting palpable. Either we're responsible for each other (and this would mean that we have a definite responsibility to get involved in Syria,) or we need to tend to our own house.

Which is it?
2013-09-06 08:43:21 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand how this is a difficult problem.

If the parents can afford to pay but can't be bothered to fill the card, feed the kid, send the card in to the negative, and tack on an escalating fee.  Under $10 behind? $1 fee per lunch.  $20? $2 dollar fee.

If they get $100 behind? $10 extra fee per lunch, and send them to collections.
2013-09-06 08:31:00 AM
1 votes:
Cry more libs
2013-09-06 08:29:12 AM
1 votes:
People who complain about other people needing to learn "personal responsibility" are usually the people most scared that someone is going to ask them to be responsible.

True personal responsibility requires one to be responsible for themselves, their environment, and their social structure--and not just say, "not MY problem!"
2013-09-06 08:23:18 AM
1 votes:

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


I have one of those, but if the littlest thing about his food was off, he wouldnt cry and complain, he would just go on and play as if he didnt feel hunger. We let him go all day a couple of times, but in the end felt we were being worse parents than necessary, and he still wasn't acting hungry. And what were we going to say to the hospital if he ended up dehydrated or impacted with almost nothing in his GI tract? I don't look good in orange.
2013-09-06 08:19:05 AM
1 votes:

Launch Code: A better teaching point would be to post the names of the parents that abused, cheated and stole from the taxpayer funded free lunch program.


A school my children attended in MO asked us to lie about our income so they would qualify for free/reduced unch. More free lunches = more education $$$.

The school didn't have enough kids on free/reduced lunch to get Title 1 and additional services for special needs kids. I found that offensive- that suggests that only poor kids have learning problems.

Also, I admit I'm one of the forgetful types whose kids get PB&J once in awhile when their lunch balances get negative. They've switched to online balances and I'm used to getting a paper weekly statement, so I've had to adapt to the new system. I do make a hot, nutritionally complete breakfast every morning though.

Kids shouldn't be punished for their parents' mistakes, and no kid should be denied food on principle when there's a kitchen full of it. Crackers and milk at least.
2013-09-06 08:06:45 AM
1 votes:
It may be a teachable moment, but its also illegal, full stop.*

*At least everywhere I've lived. No clue what the rules are in less civilized environs.
2013-09-06 07:47:13 AM
1 votes:
I've ever only made my child ship a meal because she had snuck food from the kitchen. She was upset, but I doubt she was even hungry after eating 3 bagels.
2013-09-06 07:46:17 AM
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bluefoxicy: Alphax: ShannonKW: If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.

Why are people still posting stupid stuff like this, this late in the thread?

Possibly because they haven't learned to blend in with all the idiots who think not getting a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day is the end of the world.

How many times did you miss lunch as a kid?

I can assure you I missed lunch more times than you did.  There were more days I didn't eat lunch than days I did between 1st and 10th grade.  It's really not something I think about, or something that ever mattered much.

Once in a while a teacher would notice I didn't eat one day and it would raise some kind of five alarm emergency and they'd feed me and start complaining about how I need to eat and whatever else, but again not notable enough for me to really remember without reaching.  Do you know what I remember?  I remember school was hard and they made us do math.  I did terrible at geometry but great at calculus and statistics.  I remember working my first-year spanish final exam entirely in spanish, no translation, just read the instructions and text in spanish and formulate answers in spanish without a spanish-english-spanish translation cycle, because in 7th grade I decided it was too much work to repeatedly translate back and forth.

But whatever.  Keep up with that "Our children will become complete failures and will enter a cycle of depression and have no friends and become criminals because they didn't get a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day!" thing.  I'm sure someone, somewhere, will believe that.


Sounds like you could have used those lunches.

We're not posting 'opinion' here.  It's not healthy for kids.  It's distracting them from learning.  And doing it for stupid reasons is borderline criminal.

Miss lunches?  I enjoyed that 2nd hour cooking class my senior year, to help tide me over until lunch.
2013-09-06 07:33:27 AM
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Abacus9: zamboni: CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.

Sorry, I meant to say correspondent as the last part of my response he definitely is not a correspondent. I apologize profusely for my mistake.

They also invited a lady on there which gave the other viewpoint of the whole thing. I guess that part got left out because it didn't fit the narrative.

What narrative? That Fox allows such extreme opinions on air that shouldn't even be considered? If you purposely starve children you should be shot.


This * 1000.  Who cares what you call him?  Fox purposely let him on the show to air his extremist views and did not ridicule them.
2013-09-06 07:27:32 AM
1 votes:
If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.
2013-09-06 07:20:21 AM
1 votes:

untaken_name: We can't let these poor starving kids miss a meal.

[bodygeeks.com image 500x335]


I'm looking at the ad in the back... is that... Georgian (as in Tiblisi)?

namegoeshere: [fat McDonald's kid]

That's Jambik. His story is very sad.


Okay.... pretty close...  thanks for the link!
2013-09-06 07:06:45 AM
1 votes:
Let that be a lesson kids:

Conservatives are assholes.
2013-09-06 07:05:16 AM
1 votes:
Actually, that's the opposite of a teaching moment. That hungry kid isn't going to pay attention for the rest of the day. And remember kid hunger? It's different from adult hunger. An adult can work through lunch and be fine until they can grab a snack later. Kid hunger is more immediate. They need to eat at regular times in order to function well.
2013-09-06 07:04:45 AM
1 votes:
Maybe if the kid brought in his lunch it would be a teaching lesson to not forget. But since it his patents responsibility to pay for the meals then its a little bit cruel.
2013-09-06 07:03:47 AM
1 votes:

squibbits: I agree. If I forget my wallet, Subway isn't going to give me a free sandwich. It's the way the real world works.


Children have wallets?
2013-09-06 07:02:33 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: The Muthaship: Hobodeluxe: The Muthaship: Starving all the kids is a teaching moment.

-M. Obama

do you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe that lie?

I have 3 kids in school.

So yes.

so your kids are stupid enough to believe Michelle Obama said that?


Man, people are stupid enough to believe that hurricane Katrina is Obama's fault so...THANKS OBAMA!

Hobodeluxe, there is too much stupid in the world.  In a local high school where I live, we were changing the menu to comply with the state standards.  Better food = better learning = less fried stuff (like French FREEDOM fries).  Guess who got blamed?
2013-09-06 06:57:40 AM
1 votes:
Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn't give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'


Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?'


And he will answer, 'I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'
2013-09-06 06:51:08 AM
1 votes:
I don't often agree wholeheartedly with Slate, but yeah, Fox News is completely asinine 24/7
2013-09-06 06:23:07 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.


Hungry kids don't listen to the lessons.
2013-09-06 06:12:26 AM
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abhorrent1: suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.


yeah but super rich assholes need more tax cuts and offshore loopholes right?
2013-09-06 06:10:34 AM
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Abacus9: abhorrent1: suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.

Many poor kids don't eat much at home because their parents can't afford groceries. So shut your stupid hole.


We should all give $5/month to feed the kids that parent can't or won't.

/Should put this on FarkUs where it belongs
2013-09-06 06:08:00 AM
1 votes:
By the way, he is a Fox News correspondent.  He considers himself a Fox news correspondent, and they consider him a Fox News correspondent, so then yeah, I guess he's a Fox News correspondent.
2013-09-06 06:07:53 AM
1 votes:
they're right. a kid will learn just how much Republicans do not care about them once they're born.
2013-09-06 06:07:09 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: suggested that starving kids out is a legitimate strategy to teach

Oh FFS It's one farking meal. They're not starving.


Yes one meal to a developing body and mind, but you knew that.

Everyone feels hungry at times. Hunger is the body's signal that it needs food. Once we've eaten enough food to satisfy our bodies' needs, hunger goes away until our stomachs are empty again. Malnutrition is not the same thing as hunger, although they often go together. People who are chronically malnourished lack the nutrients needed for proper health and development. Someone can be malnourished for a long or short period of time, and the condition may be mild or severe. People who are malnourished are more likely to get sick and, in severe cases, might even die.

According to the UN World Food Programme, 925 million people in the world do not have enough to eat. That's more than the entire population of the United States, Canada, and the European Union.

Chronic hunger and malnutrition can cause significant health problems. People who go hungry all the time are likely to be underweight, weighing significantly less than an average person of their size. If malnourished as a child, their growth may also be stunted, making them much shorter than average. In developing countries, 1 out of 4 children younger than age 5 are underweight.


One of the most important reasons that skipping meals is unhealthy is due to the affect this has on your blood sugar. When you eat a meal, your body breaks up the food. Some of this food is stored as fat, while other parts of it enter your bloodstream as sugar, and work to provide you with energy throughout the day. When you skip a meal, your blood sugar drops dramatically. This not only can make you feel sluggish and tired, but it can also wreck havoc with insulin in your body. If you chronically skip meals, you can be setting yourself up for the development of diabetes later in life.


http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/3-re as ons-skipping-meals-is-unhealthy.html
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/feeding/hunger.html

You are either a troll or an asshole. Take your pick.
2013-09-06 05:45:25 AM
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TopoGigo: Lsherm: So they handed out $50,000 worth of food to kids not because they were too poor to pay for their lunch, but because their parents neglected to fill their lunch cards.

How in the FARK did that happen? It didn't occur to anyone to withhold grade cards? Was their cut-rate software program unable to deal with negative balances? Are the school employees totally incompetent? Is this just a blatant lie?

Seriously, I could see a tiny percentage of kids ending the year with a negative balance, then they transferred out or graduated without paying. But $50k worth? No farking way.


It's government math. It was probably like 10 kids.
2013-09-06 05:45:10 AM
1 votes:
The sooner you teach a hungry kid that his dad is a loser, the better the kid will be when he grows up.
2013-09-06 05:31:47 AM
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gadian: Hungry kids don't pay attention and don't retain the information they do hear.  They also have more discipline problems.  For god's sake, feed children while they're at school. I don't care who their parents are or how much they make.  They're basically in the care of the community while they're at school and a community should make sure all of its children are fed.  It is a really simple and inexpensive (in the long run) to make your community's children into better, happier people. Geez fark, what is wrong with people?


I agree with you but most parents these days also think breakfast is a juice box and a bag of chips.

I was fed bacon, eggs, toast and grits, juice and milk every morning.  Missing lunch would not have been a big deal.  Would have been one less dump I had to take on a nasty school crapper.
2013-09-06 05:24:59 AM
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Hungry kids don't pay attention and don't retain the information they do hear.  They also have more discipline problems.  For god's sake, feed children while they're at school. I don't care who their parents are or how much they make.  They're basically in the care of the community while they're at school and a community should make sure all of its children are fed.  It is a really simple and inexpensive (in the long run) to make your community's children into better, happier people. Geez fark, what is wrong with people?
2013-09-06 01:11:25 AM
1 votes:
All the f*cking fatasses in this country but it's the hungry kids and their forgetful parents who need a lesson about personal responsibility?
2013-09-05 11:26:24 PM
1 votes:

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


Yep. I freaked out years ago when I was getting ready for school and my mom pulled out the dinner she cooked the previous night for my breakfast.  It was a good lesson to shut up and eat what your parents made until you live on your own.
Now that I do, I have Big Macs for breakfast. Being an adult is awesome.
2013-09-05 11:21:09 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dear Diary,

Today I didn't get to eat lunch. Ms. Ashford says it's because some people think because my family is poor I shouldn't get to eat for free, and that should teach me something.
It did teach me something.
It taught me that those people didn't go to the same Sunday school I do, because that's not what Jesus said.
I don't think I like them very much, either.



P.S. I came back the next day and kicked Ms. Ashford's ass. Punched her right in the coont. Told her if she ever talked to me that way again I'd kick her ass so far up her neck she'd have to undo her collar to take a shiat. Then I went to the faculty lounge and ate her lunch before duct-taping her to the wall and shiatting an ginormous loaf on top of her desk while she watched. Then I punched her in the coont again.
2013-09-05 10:57:24 PM
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I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.
2013-09-05 10:35:58 PM
1 votes:
GODS DAMMIT SHUT UP YOU SKINJOBS!!
2013-09-05 09:14:33 PM
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.


Even the Spartans waited till 7.
2013-09-05 09:06:19 PM
1 votes:
Has anyone asked, is are childs learnding? Because with no learnding, don't nothing not get teached.
2013-09-05 09:03:22 PM
1 votes:
Listen, Fox News can't be held responsible for every little guest that appears on their show.  They often just keep the doors open and let the first guy who wonders in off the street host.

i.imgur.com
2013-09-05 08:57:42 PM
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DanZero: It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.


And the tears cried by hungry children contain salt.
2013-09-05 08:37:14 PM
1 votes:
The Onion is crying.
2013-09-05 08:20:33 PM
1 votes:
It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.
 
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