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2013-09-06 06:47:21 AM

Hobodeluxe: wildlifer: Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

yeah!  6 year olds should be proficient in at least 4 weapons forms, one form of unarmed combat, and know two different languages.  not to mention be able to track down food, kill it, and eat it with noting more than a number 2 pencil, a couple paper clips and a single rubber band.  THAT'S the REPUBLICAN way!

When my kids where six...
Weapons yes, they knew how to use a knife , and we just started shooting the 22 magnum.
Unarmed combat: kick to the nuts or knee ,
Languages: English, hillbilly and Russian
And... He pulled the trigger on his first deer, I held the rifle. He watched me gut the animal and made snide comments about the deer not having the guts to do that again...

/suck it yuppies

lol right.


Fark is just chocker-blocked with rugged, boot-strappin' individuals and self-made, successful small businesspeople... We lucky they can take the time out of their very busy days to drop some knowledge on us.
 
2013-09-06 06:48:36 AM

hubiestubert: Hmmm...how very Christian...

Isaiah 50:10: If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.Proverbs 28:27: Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.James 2:14-18: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my worksLuke 3:11: And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.Proverbs 14:31 :Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.John 3:17-18: But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.Romans 12:20: To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."Matthew 25:37-40: Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

Proverbs 22:9: Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

Galatians 6:2: Bear one ...


Being "Christian" has little to do with the teachings of Christ these days.
 
2013-09-06 06:51:08 AM
I don't often agree wholeheartedly with Slate, but yeah, Fox News is completely asinine 24/7
 
2013-09-06 06:56:14 AM
I agree. If I forget my wallet, Subway isn't going to give me a free sandwich. It's the way the real world works.
 
2013-09-06 06:57:40 AM
Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn't give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'


Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?'


And he will answer, 'I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'
 
2013-09-06 07:02:33 AM

Hobodeluxe: The Muthaship: Hobodeluxe: The Muthaship: Starving all the kids is a teaching moment.

-M. Obama

do you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe that lie?

I have 3 kids in school.

So yes.

so your kids are stupid enough to believe Michelle Obama said that?


Man, people are stupid enough to believe that hurricane Katrina is Obama's fault so...THANKS OBAMA!

Hobodeluxe, there is too much stupid in the world.  In a local high school where I live, we were changing the menu to comply with the state standards.  Better food = better learning = less fried stuff (like French FREEDOM fries).  Guess who got blamed?
 
2013-09-06 07:03:47 AM

squibbits: I agree. If I forget my wallet, Subway isn't going to give me a free sandwich. It's the way the real world works.


Children have wallets?
 
2013-09-06 07:04:45 AM
Maybe if the kid brought in his lunch it would be a teaching lesson to not forget. But since it his patents responsibility to pay for the meals then its a little bit cruel.
 
2013-09-06 07:05:16 AM
Actually, that's the opposite of a teaching moment. That hungry kid isn't going to pay attention for the rest of the day. And remember kid hunger? It's different from adult hunger. An adult can work through lunch and be fine until they can grab a snack later. Kid hunger is more immediate. They need to eat at regular times in order to function well.
 
2013-09-06 07:06:45 AM
Let that be a lesson kids:

Conservatives are assholes.
 
2013-09-06 07:07:48 AM

untaken_name: We can't let these poor starving kids miss a meal.

[fat McDonald's kid]


That's Jambik. His story is very sad.
 
2013-09-06 07:16:08 AM
Meh, its still not as derpy as telling women to piss on themselves to stop a rapist
 
2013-09-06 07:17:26 AM

Onkel Buck: Meh, its still not as derpy as telling women to piss on themselves to stop a rapist


What about shooting through a door with a shotgun?  That's still smart, right?
 
2013-09-06 07:18:37 AM
Children can be taught with the latest canine training methods. This has been known for years. Not news subby.
 
2013-09-06 07:20:21 AM

untaken_name: We can't let these poor starving kids miss a meal.

[bodygeeks.com image 500x335]


I'm looking at the ad in the back... is that... Georgian (as in Tiblisi)?

namegoeshere: [fat McDonald's kid]

That's Jambik. His story is very sad.


Okay.... pretty close...  thanks for the link!
 
2013-09-06 07:21:13 AM

Prophet of Loss: Let that be a lesson kids:

Conservatives are assholes.


From the kid's perspective, I think the lesson will be more along the lines of "rigid bureaucracy is an asshole".

And as always, FNC gives airtime to the most rational angle on the story...
 
2013-09-06 07:23:30 AM

zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.


So this is your biggest beef, and you're OK with what the correspondent commentator actually said? Or are you just trying to deflect attention from what was said?
 
2013-09-06 07:26:56 AM

Nadie_AZ: Thomas Kersting, who is alarmingly a school counselor, said, "You know, if one day a kid doesn't have lunch, right, maybe that's a teaching moment when that kid doesn't have lunch. That may sound harsh saying that, but we've got to get people to start being responsible for themselves."

Yeah. Maybe they should have had those abortions. No wait ...


I'm not sure what the problem is.  Missing a meal isn't a big deal.  I didn't always eat breakfast or lunch when I was in school.

Sometimes it sucks being hungry, but these are not starving Ethernopians.  Their situation is temporary and it's a matter of theirs or their parents' negligence; maybe they'll learn to not forget their brown bagged lunch, or to hold their parents accountable for getting them their lunch money.  They'll be cranky but overall fine.

Next up:  Fox News correspondent says that children scraping their knees when they fall off a playground slide onto mulch is a "teaching moment", takes fire because precious snowflake is bleeding a little and cried.
 
2013-09-06 07:27:32 AM
If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.
 
2013-09-06 07:30:39 AM

ShannonKW: If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.


Why are people still posting stupid stuff like this, this late in the thread?
 
2013-09-06 07:31:37 AM

HawgWild: doglover: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

Even the Spartans waited till 7.

And where are they today, huh?

images.rottentomatoes.com

Immortalized, mother farker.
 
2013-09-06 07:32:01 AM
Sounds like someone needs a farking slap.
 
2013-09-06 07:33:27 AM

Abacus9: zamboni: CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.

Sorry, I meant to say correspondent as the last part of my response he definitely is not a correspondent. I apologize profusely for my mistake.

They also invited a lady on there which gave the other viewpoint of the whole thing. I guess that part got left out because it didn't fit the narrative.

What narrative? That Fox allows such extreme opinions on air that shouldn't even be considered? If you purposely starve children you should be shot.


This * 1000.  Who cares what you call him?  Fox purposely let him on the show to air his extremist views and did not ridicule them.
 
2013-09-06 07:33:32 AM

GoldSpider: Prophet of Loss: Let that be a lesson kids:

Conservatives are assholes.

From the kid's perspective, I think the lesson will be more along the lines of "rigid bureaucracy is an asshole".

And as always, FNC gives airtime to the most rational angle on the story...


Yes, but they will grow up one day and unless they suffer from brain damage, they will come to that conclusion.
 
2013-09-06 07:38:49 AM
Any child that fails the standardized tests gets turned into chili for the next day's lunch.
Two birds, one stone.

Just leave the Nobel Prize by the door; I'll pick it up on my way out.
 
2013-09-06 07:42:08 AM

Alphax: ShannonKW: If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.

Why are people still posting stupid stuff like this, this late in the thread?


Possibly because they haven't learned to blend in with all the idiots who think not getting a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day is the end of the world.

How many times did you miss lunch as a kid?

I can assure you I missed lunch more times than you did.  There were more days I didn't eat lunch than days I did between 1st and 10th grade.  It's really not something I think about, or something that ever mattered much.

Once in a while a teacher would notice I didn't eat one day and it would raise some kind of five alarm emergency and they'd feed me and start complaining about how I need to eat and whatever else, but again not notable enough for me to really remember without reaching.  Do you know what I remember?  I remember school was hard and they made us do math.  I did terrible at geometry but great at calculus and statistics.  I remember working my first-year spanish final exam entirely in spanish, no translation, just read the instructions and text in spanish and formulate answers in spanish without a spanish-english-spanish translation cycle, because in 7th grade I decided it was too much work to repeatedly translate back and forth.

But whatever.  Keep up with that "Our children will become complete failures and will enter a cycle of depression and have no friends and become criminals because they didn't get a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day!" thing.  I'm sure someone, somewhere, will believe that.
 
2013-09-06 07:46:17 AM

bluefoxicy: Alphax: ShannonKW: If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.

Why are people still posting stupid stuff like this, this late in the thread?

Possibly because they haven't learned to blend in with all the idiots who think not getting a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day is the end of the world.

How many times did you miss lunch as a kid?

I can assure you I missed lunch more times than you did.  There were more days I didn't eat lunch than days I did between 1st and 10th grade.  It's really not something I think about, or something that ever mattered much.

Once in a while a teacher would notice I didn't eat one day and it would raise some kind of five alarm emergency and they'd feed me and start complaining about how I need to eat and whatever else, but again not notable enough for me to really remember without reaching.  Do you know what I remember?  I remember school was hard and they made us do math.  I did terrible at geometry but great at calculus and statistics.  I remember working my first-year spanish final exam entirely in spanish, no translation, just read the instructions and text in spanish and formulate answers in spanish without a spanish-english-spanish translation cycle, because in 7th grade I decided it was too much work to repeatedly translate back and forth.

But whatever.  Keep up with that "Our children will become complete failures and will enter a cycle of depression and have no friends and become criminals because they didn't get a peanut butter sandwich in the middle of the day!" thing.  I'm sure someone, somewhere, will believe that.


Sounds like you could have used those lunches.

We're not posting 'opinion' here.  It's not healthy for kids.  It's distracting them from learning.  And doing it for stupid reasons is borderline criminal.

Miss lunches?  I enjoyed that 2nd hour cooking class my senior year, to help tide me over until lunch.
 
2013-09-06 07:47:13 AM
I've ever only made my child ship a meal because she had snuck food from the kitchen. She was upset, but I doubt she was even hungry after eating 3 bagels.
 
2013-09-06 07:49:32 AM

keylock71: Hobodeluxe: wildlifer: Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

yeah!  6 year olds should be proficient in at least 4 weapons forms, one form of unarmed combat, and know two different languages.  not to mention be able to track down food, kill it, and eat it with noting more than a number 2 pencil, a couple paper clips and a single rubber band.  THAT'S the REPUBLICAN way!

When my kids where six...
Weapons yes, they knew how to use a knife , and we just started shooting the 22 magnum.
Unarmed combat: kick to the nuts or knee ,
Languages: English, hillbilly and Russian
And... He pulled the trigger on his first deer, I held the rifle. He watched me gut the animal and made snide comments about the deer not having the guts to do that again...

/suck it yuppies

lol right.

Fark is just chocker-blocked with rugged, boot-strappin' individuals and self-made, successful small businesspeople... We lucky they can take the time out of their very busy days to drop some knowledge on us.


I think he was trying to impress. but he's not trying hard enough
 
2013-09-06 07:50:45 AM
On of the parts of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" that has always stuck in my memory was the 'news' show that ran 24/7.  If I remember correct, they said all sort of batshiat, inane drivel that the idiot masses would eat up.  They were also marked by having little or no empathy to the suffering of others.  So my question would be is if it is cheaper to make all the female hosts blonde, or is there something in the manufacturing process that dictates all the female replicant hosts have fair hair?
 
2013-09-06 08:02:04 AM
Yeah I don't care if a kid skips lunch. I don't eat breakfast or lunch. We are humans, there's no requirement that we eat three, or even two, or even once a day.
 
2013-09-06 08:06:45 AM
It may be a teachable moment, but its also illegal, full stop.*

*At least everywhere I've lived. No clue what the rules are in less civilized environs.
 
2013-09-06 08:12:09 AM

bluefoxicy: How many times did you miss lunch as a kid?


Approximately 720 times in high school.  I never took lunch in high school.  I saw the interior of the cafeteria exactly once -- during an extracurricular event.  I don't remember exactly when it was, but it was sometime during middle school that I judged that it was better to spend a lean noon break in peace and quiet than to squat on a bench among 400 screeching apes for the sake of a snack.  So, roughly, I spent 5 years of my schooling lunchless.  I don't recall ever feeling hungry, much less feeling distracted from my studies.

Not that "hunger" really figures in this.  This is a dick issue for political hooligans who are interested in trying to frame their enemies in bad lights rather than trying to improve anything.  Liberal idiots who like to bang on about school lunches are the counterparts of conservative idiots who bang on about teen pregnancy in order to make their enemies look like they want all the girls to be whores.   I don't think many of the even believe what they say.  They're just interested in scoring points like the jerks who throw garbage on the field when the wrong team is winning the game.
 
2013-09-06 08:12:38 AM

untaken_name: We can't let these poor starving kids miss a meal.

[bodygeeks.com image 500x335]


Of course the most accurate depiction of all hungry kids.
 
2013-09-06 08:12:42 AM
Ah... Slate getting back into the hearts of their target audience after their recent fiascoes.

All is forgiven and forgotten, Slate. Love you!
 
2013-09-06 08:18:18 AM

zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.


It's still giving a mouth piece to crazy
 
2013-09-06 08:19:05 AM

Launch Code: A better teaching point would be to post the names of the parents that abused, cheated and stole from the taxpayer funded free lunch program.


A school my children attended in MO asked us to lie about our income so they would qualify for free/reduced unch. More free lunches = more education $$$.

The school didn't have enough kids on free/reduced lunch to get Title 1 and additional services for special needs kids. I found that offensive- that suggests that only poor kids have learning problems.

Also, I admit I'm one of the forgetful types whose kids get PB&J once in awhile when their lunch balances get negative. They've switched to online balances and I'm used to getting a paper weekly statement, so I've had to adapt to the new system. I do make a hot, nutritionally complete breakfast every morning though.

Kids shouldn't be punished for their parents' mistakes, and no kid should be denied food on principle when there's a kitchen full of it. Crackers and milk at least.
 
2013-09-06 08:23:18 AM

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


I have one of those, but if the littlest thing about his food was off, he wouldnt cry and complain, he would just go on and play as if he didnt feel hunger. We let him go all day a couple of times, but in the end felt we were being worse parents than necessary, and he still wasn't acting hungry. And what were we going to say to the hospital if he ended up dehydrated or impacted with almost nothing in his GI tract? I don't look good in orange.
 
2013-09-06 08:26:32 AM

ShannonKW: If you think that skipping lunch amounts to "hunger," you need a "teaching moment," but I doubt you'd benefit by it.


If you think there's anything good coming out of denying a kid a meal, you need a "teaching moment" up side of your head. If they're on the free lunch program, that free lunch is probably the only decent meal they get all day. A hungry kid is not concentrating on learning.
 
2013-09-06 08:29:12 AM
People who complain about other people needing to learn "personal responsibility" are usually the people most scared that someone is going to ask them to be responsible.

True personal responsibility requires one to be responsible for themselves, their environment, and their social structure--and not just say, "not MY problem!"
 
2013-09-06 08:31:00 AM
Cry more libs
 
2013-09-06 08:37:54 AM

Lsherm: MisterTweak: SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.

Leaving aside the total lack of humanity required to actually do this, you then have the problem of a lot of starving children running around the street. I'm usually half-joking when I suggest that the libertarian paradise is actually a lot like Somalia, but in this case, it doesn't seem so funny.

There's always lots of talk of parental responsibility, it's a consistent theme when it comes to things like feeding or educating children. But the fact is, a child is a human being with basic rights, whether or not their parent is able or willing to provide for them.

Jesus Farking Christ.

If I'm reading this correctly, they aren't starving poor kids who are on the food program.  They are refusing to give food to kids whose parents are supposed to pre-pay their lunch card - you know, the kids with parents who can afford lunch.

It's still kind of asinine.  When I was in school you had to pay cash for lunch, and it was 75 cents every day.  If you didn't have 75 cents one day, they wrote your name down on a list, but they fed you.  If you didn't have it the second day, they called your parents, wrote you down on a list, but they still fed you.  If you didn't have 75 cents the third day, they sent you home with a form your parents had to sign acknowledging you hadn't paid for lunch in three days, but they still fed you.

AFTER the third day - that's when they put you on the free lunch program and you got the shiatty lunch the poor kids had to eat.  And you'd stay on it as long as your parents neglected to send you to school with your lunch money.

That's all this is - parents not sending their kids to school with their lunch money, except now there's apparently a debit card system in place.

Also, do any kids still brown bag their lunch these days?  Or is that over?


My kids do, sometimes. They have to let us know the night before. No brown bags though, they have nice insulated lunch kits.
 
2013-09-06 08:41:06 AM

The Muthaship: Onkel Buck: Meh, its still not as derpy as telling women to piss on themselves to stop a rapist

What about shooting through a door with a shotgun?  That's still smart, right?



Did I touch a nerve? And to answer your question. Yes. I'd rather clean a gun than a pair of pee pants!
 
2013-09-06 08:42:49 AM

GoldSpider: Prophet of Loss: Let that be a lesson kids:

Conservatives are assholes.

From the kid's perspective, I think the lesson will be more along the lines of "rigid bureaucracy is an asshole".


Since we all know what the code word "poor" means on fox news, the lesson will be "whitey is an asshole".

And in this case, they'll be right!
 
2013-09-06 08:43:21 AM
I don't understand how this is a difficult problem.

If the parents can afford to pay but can't be bothered to fill the card, feed the kid, send the card in to the negative, and tack on an escalating fee.  Under $10 behind? $1 fee per lunch.  $20? $2 dollar fee.

If they get $100 behind? $10 extra fee per lunch, and send them to collections.
 
2013-09-06 08:44:09 AM

Onkel Buck: Did I touch a nerve?


Not really.  I kind of thought I was bolstering your point.  Being that our "leaders" seem to be idiots.

I'll do better next time....
 
2013-09-06 08:48:44 AM

kortex: Cry more libs kids

 
2013-09-06 08:51:18 AM
Trophies for everybody! Fattest "poor people" on the planet, yet somehow people aren't getting enough to eat. The double-think is getting palpable. Either we're responsible for each other (and this would mean that we have a definite responsibility to get involved in Syria,) or we need to tend to our own house.

Which is it?
 
2013-09-06 08:53:41 AM

Kittypie070: GODS DAMMIT SHUT UP YOU SKINJOBS!!


You are now full on Cyan1

upload.wikimedia.org


Nothing for it now but to land our birds and jump the frak outta this mess.

/so say we all
 
2013-09-06 09:00:10 AM
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