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2013-09-05 07:50:07 PM
Thomas Kersting, who is alarmingly a school counselor, said, "You know, if one day a kid doesn't have lunch, right, maybe that's a teaching moment when that kid doesn't have lunch. That may sound harsh saying that, but we've got to get people to start being responsible for themselves."

Yeah. Maybe they should have had those abortions. No wait ...
 
2013-09-05 07:55:54 PM
Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.
 
2013-09-05 07:58:47 PM

zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.


Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.
 
2013-09-05 08:01:41 PM

CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.


You see, that right there was a teaching moment. And teaching got done.
 
2013-09-05 08:04:01 PM

CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.


Sorry, I meant to say correspondent as the last part of my response he definitely is not a correspondent. I apologize profusely for my mistake.

They also invited a lady on there which gave the other viewpoint of the whole thing. I guess that part got left out because it didn't fit the narrative.
 
2013-09-05 08:10:44 PM
Personal responsibility. Awesome. No more doctors, roads, police, or firefighters for you. Good luck.
 
2013-09-05 08:11:34 PM

Barfmaker: CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.

You see, that right there was a teaching moment. And teaching got done.


Did learning get done or just teaching?
 
2013-09-05 08:20:33 PM
It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.
 
2013-09-05 08:25:35 PM
Are we talking semantics here? Who cares if he is a correspondent or not? Nice misdirection.
 
2013-09-05 08:37:14 PM
The Onion is crying.
 
2013-09-05 08:39:41 PM

doglover: Personal responsibility. Awesome. No more doctors, roads, police, or firefighters for you. Good luck.


You have cancer? F*ck you, you should have eaten more broccoli. You can't drive the roads? F*ck you, I got my Dodge Pickup. Your house burned down? F*ck you, I got mine. You got robbed? Should have had a gun.

This is their opinion until something goes wrong and they get cancer, lose their job, lose their pension, lose their health benefits, lose their car, their house burns down, or someone shoots them in the face with their own shotgun.

Unfortunately based on probability, a good 60-70% of them probably die of a heart attack before any of that sh*t happens.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:42 PM

DanZero: It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.


And the tears cried by hungry children contain salt.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:49 PM
Isn't school where kids are supposed to experience teaching moments?
 
2013-09-05 09:03:22 PM
Listen, Fox News can't be held responsible for every little guest that appears on their show.  They often just keep the doors open and let the first guy who wonders in off the street host.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-05 09:03:36 PM
There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.
 
2013-09-05 09:06:19 PM
Has anyone asked, is are childs learnding? Because with no learnding, don't nothing not get teached.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:20 PM
That f*cking show is the dumbest f*cking thing on television right now.

Honestly, that's saying something.

Fox & Crazy Homeless People We've Invited Over From the Shelter! Tomorrow at 7am.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:33 PM

I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.


Even the Spartans waited till 7.
 
2013-09-05 09:16:51 PM

doglover: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

Even the Spartans waited till 7.


And where are they today, huh?

Exactly ...
 
2013-09-05 09:20:31 PM
This actually happened to my kid once.
I forgot to put money in his account (Hey, thanks for the $3.00 CONVENIENCE FEE on that, by the way), but they at least gave him a sandwich.
It was just jelly, but at least he got to eat.
If your 3 quarters into a school and they say "No lunch for you." I'd storm in pissed.
It's not like these kids are flight risks for $3.00.
 
2013-09-05 09:25:36 PM

HawgWild: doglover: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

Even the Spartans waited till 7.

And where are they today, huh?

Exactly ...


The Spartans lasted a long time. Even in their decline, the were fearsome enough to avoid being conquered by Alexander the Great. They're decidedly role models in some facets of life, if you wish to be tough with a capital T O U G H and about twenty exclaimation points. But their rigid society with no upwards mobility but plenty of pitfalls slowly ground them out of existence.


The point is, though, even the crazy farkers who WANTED to starve their kids to teach them were more socially responsible than modern Republicans. This guy might be an extremist, but "don't feed school kids" is a recurring theme in the right's discourse.
 
2013-09-05 09:26:09 PM

doyner: Isn't school where kids are supposed to experience teaching moments?


Yes, though most school related Fark news items deal with school "touching moments"
 
2013-09-05 09:26:40 PM

I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.


yeah!  6 year olds should be proficient in at least 4 weapons forms, one form of unarmed combat, and know two different languages.  not to mention be able to track down food, kill it, and eat it with noting more than a number 2 pencil, a couple paper clips and a single rubber band.  THAT'S the REPUBLICAN way!
 
2013-09-05 09:41:40 PM
Weren't they dumping on a school last week for serving Michelle Obama food the kids didn't want to eat and were therefore going hungry?
 
2013-09-05 09:44:13 PM

Zombie DJ: This actually happened to my kid once.
I forgot to put money in his account (Hey, thanks for the $3.00 CONVENIENCE FEE on that, by the way), but they at least gave him a sandwich.
It was just jelly, but at least he got to eat.
If your 3 quarters into a school and they say "No lunch for you." I'd storm in pissed.
It's not like these kids are flight risks for $3.00.


I think my school district would let you 'charge' one or two meals, and then just give you the peanut butter and jelly sandwich until you settled up, I believe they also kept it in the running total with library book fines, damaged textbooks, etc, that came due with report cards - pay up or you didn't get it, so your parents found out sooner or later.

Now, I'm sure there are likely parents that don't even look at their kids report cards (as sad as that is) who might never know, but I find it odd that it's that big of a problem.

The articles says it's people taking advantage of the free lunch program by never signing up, and in that case I can sort of agree, if you qualify, sign the damn form and get enrolled.  It'll take five whole minutes, if that.
 
2013-09-05 10:11:46 PM

Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: There is something desperately wrong with a school system that has not taught a 6 year old how to take responsibility for him/herself.

yeah!  6 year olds should be proficient in at least 4 weapons forms, one form of unarmed combat, and know two different languages.  not to mention be able to track down food, kill it, and eat it with noting more than a number 2 pencil, a couple paper clips and a single rubber band.  THAT'S the REPUBLICAN way!


Please don't give these people any more bad ideas.
 
2013-09-05 10:29:08 PM
Dear Diary,

Today I didn't get to eat lunch. Ms. Ashford says it's because some people think because my family is poor I shouldn't get to eat for free, and that should teach me something.
It did teach me something.
It taught me that those people didn't go to the same Sunday school I do, because that's not what Jesus said.
I don't think I like them very much, either.
 
2013-09-05 10:35:58 PM
GODS DAMMIT SHUT UP YOU SKINJOBS!!
 
2013-09-05 10:45:52 PM
If you think about it, though, human beings evolved to become the top of the food chain because they were hungry. I mean, look at ancient history. Prehistoric man could not defend themselves against the predators of the day, the smilodons and wooly mammoths and t rexes. And so they learned skills that enabled them to not only survive, but in the long run to exceed their competitors. They learned that you could crack the bones of prey that other predators had killed and eat the marrow, which was ironically much higher in protein and helped increase their brain capacity. That in turn led them to begin developing rudimentary tools, like spears, which enabled them to stand their ground against toothy attackers and defend their territory. If they'd been comfortable from the start, if they'd had easy food perhaps provided by some benevolent god, would they have learned these things? Certainly not. And then where would they have been when things went south? Where would we all be?
 
2013-09-05 10:57:24 PM
I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.
 
2013-09-05 11:02:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: Where would we all be?


Watching Fox & Friends?
 
2013-09-05 11:16:40 PM

DanZero: It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.


i.imgur.com

Hungry kid at school? Feed 'em pepper spray. Problem solved.
 
2013-09-05 11:20:10 PM

Somacandra: DanZero: It's ok, they know what they're doing. Pepper spray is food grade too.

[i.imgur.com image 400x301]

Hungry kid at school? Feed 'em pepper spray. Problem solved.


Why, them pepper-bellies oughta LOVE that there

/home-cookin'
 
2013-09-05 11:21:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dear Diary,

Today I didn't get to eat lunch. Ms. Ashford says it's because some people think because my family is poor I shouldn't get to eat for free, and that should teach me something.
It did teach me something.
It taught me that those people didn't go to the same Sunday school I do, because that's not what Jesus said.
I don't think I like them very much, either.



P.S. I came back the next day and kicked Ms. Ashford's ass. Punched her right in the coont. Told her if she ever talked to me that way again I'd kick her ass so far up her neck she'd have to undo her collar to take a shiat. Then I went to the faculty lounge and ate her lunch before duct-taping her to the wall and shiatting an ginormous loaf on top of her desk while she watched. Then I punched her in the coont again.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:24 PM

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


Yep. I freaked out years ago when I was getting ready for school and my mom pulled out the dinner she cooked the previous night for my breakfast.  It was a good lesson to shut up and eat what your parents made until you live on your own.
Now that I do, I have Big Macs for breakfast. Being an adult is awesome.
 
2013-09-05 11:37:49 PM
Hmmm...how very Christian...

Isaiah 50:10: If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.Proverbs 28:27: Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.James 2:14-18: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my worksLuke 3:11: And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.Proverbs 14:31 :Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.John 3:17-18: But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.Romans 12:20: To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."Matthew 25:37-40: Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

Proverbs 22:9: Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

Galatians 6:2: Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.Isaiah 61:1-2: The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who Terrible that so much of the Bible is full of this Commie stuffs...
 
2013-09-05 11:49:53 PM
Imagine a bootheel with those "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you?" bible verses, stamping on Thomas Kersting's face, forever.
 
2013-09-05 11:54:28 PM

hubiestubert: Isaiah 50:10: If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-06 12:04:05 AM

ajgeek: I've forced my kids to skip a meal. Actually I wouldn't feed them anything else when they refused to eat what was put in front of them, then fed them the same meal for breakfast the next morning. One of them made it 24 hours before deciding that it was time to eat what was given to him.

/That one is a handful on every front. Literally tore down the ceiling in his bedroom.


I went to Catholic school growing up and we had a pretty strict dress code.  When I was eight years old I told my mom she didn't do a very good job of ironing my shirt, and that was the week I learned how to iron.  My mother never ironed another thing for me or my twin brother.  I was a smartass, so I just went to school with a wrinkled shirt, but that got me detention.  Took me all of a day to ask her how to iron something, and she told me to ask my father since she "lacked the level of talent you expect from a laundress."

On the plus side, I am a phenomenal ironer.  I am also an excellent cook due to an ill-advised editorial comment  I made when I was ten.
 
2013-09-06 12:22:56 AM
Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.
 
2013-09-06 12:33:00 AM

SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.


And then the taxpayers can completely take care of the kids

/a very well thought out plan, that
 
2013-09-06 12:33:14 AM

SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.


Leaving aside the total lack of humanity required to actually do this, you then have the problem of a lot of starving children running around the street. I'm usually half-joking when I suggest that the libertarian paradise is actually a lot like Somalia, but in this case, it doesn't seem so funny.

There's always lots of talk of parental responsibility, it's a consistent theme when it comes to things like feeding or educating children. But the fact is, a child is a human being with basic rights, whether or not their parent is able or willing to provide for them.

Jesus Farking Christ.
 
2013-09-06 01:11:25 AM
All the f*cking fatasses in this country but it's the hungry kids and their forgetful parents who need a lesson about personal responsibility?
 
2013-09-06 01:40:27 AM
Hey, look who's back!
 
2013-09-06 01:50:39 AM

MisterTweak: SkinnyHead: Parents are responsible for feeding their children.  If the parents won't feed their children -- if they wont even fill out the forms necessary to get them charity lunch programs -- they should be in jail.

Leaving aside the total lack of humanity required to actually do this, you then have the problem of a lot of starving children running around the street. I'm usually half-joking when I suggest that the libertarian paradise is actually a lot like Somalia, but in this case, it doesn't seem so funny.

There's always lots of talk of parental responsibility, it's a consistent theme when it comes to things like feeding or educating children. But the fact is, a child is a human being with basic rights, whether or not their parent is able or willing to provide for them.

Jesus Farking Christ.


If I'm reading this correctly, they aren't starving poor kids who are on the food program.  They are refusing to give food to kids whose parents are supposed to pre-pay their lunch card - you know, the kids with parents who can afford lunch.

It's still kind of asinine.  When I was in school you had to pay cash for lunch, and it was 75 cents every day.  If you didn't have 75 cents one day, they wrote your name down on a list, but they fed you.  If you didn't have it the second day, they called your parents, wrote you down on a list, but they still fed you.  If you didn't have 75 cents the third day, they sent you home with a form your parents had to sign acknowledging you hadn't paid for lunch in three days, but they still fed you.

AFTER the third day - that's when they put you on the free lunch program and you got the shiatty lunch the poor kids had to eat.  And you'd stay on it as long as your parents neglected to send you to school with your lunch money.

That's all this is - parents not sending their kids to school with their lunch money, except now there's apparently a debit card system in place.

Also, do any kids still brown bag their lunch these days?  Or is that over?
 
2013-09-06 02:02:29 AM
Oh, the article that describes the school's reasoning.

So what it boils down to is this:

1)  Kids who don't qualify for a free lunch program have lunch cards that carry a balance to pay for lunch.
2)  Parents (not poor) are lazy about refilling the balance to make sure there's money to pay for lunch.
3)  If a (not poor) kid doesn't have money for the lunch, in previous years they would give them a free lunch out of the budget meant for poor kids.

So they handed out $50,000 worth of food to kids not because they were too poor to pay for their lunch, but because their parents neglected to fill their lunch cards.

This sounds like what my school did when I was growing up, but on a much, much grander scale.  If it gets to the point of abuse, then I can see attempting to stop what is essentially fraud (through no fault of the kid).  But this isn't the right way to do it.  Do what my school did and keep track of how far in the hole your child gets, and then either insist on payback or just take it out of the card the next time it gets filled up.

Seems to me they could solve this easily by just adjusting the debit card system to allow for a negative balance up to a certain point.
 
2013-09-06 02:06:49 AM
Geez, why do I gotta do alla damn Force choking of idjits round here.

[Force chokes you know who really really thoroughly]
 
2013-09-06 02:21:08 AM

Kittypie070: Geez, why do I gotta do alla damn Force choking of idjits round here.

[Force chokes you know who really really thoroughly]


meh... he chokes all the time with no force required

/waste of bandwidth
 
2013-09-06 02:46:11 AM

zamboni: CheetahOlivetti: zamboni: Well I guess if by Fox News correspondent you mean a Fox News commentator... and if by Fox News commentator you mean somebody who appeared on Fox News and is no way affiliated with nor employed by Fox News then, yeah, I guess he's a Fox News commentator.

Other than the fact that Fox News invited him to comment, he's in no way a Fox News commentator.

Sorry, I meant to say correspondent as the last part of my response he definitely is not a correspondent. I apologize profusely for my mistake.

They also invited a lady on there which gave the other viewpoint of the whole thing. I guess that part got left out because it didn't fit the narrative.


What narrative? That Fox allows such extreme opinions on air that shouldn't even be considered? If you purposely starve children you should be shot.
 
2013-09-06 02:51:34 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Kittypie070: Geez, why do I gotta do alla damn Force choking of idjits round here.

[Force chokes you know who really really thoroughly]


meh... he chokes all the time with no force required

/waste of bandwidth


No kidding.
 
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