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(The Oakland Press)   Headline asks, "Applicants needed: Job openings are piling up; why isn't anyone actually hiring?" Article goes on to explain, "We dunno"   (theoaklandpress.com) divider line 293
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2013-09-05 05:35:10 PM  
No one wants to work for low wages.
 
2013-09-05 05:35:54 PM  
No one has 10 years of experience in tech that is two years old.
 
2013-09-05 05:37:30 PM  
I'm already doing two peoples' jobs; I'm not doing a third head worth of work for half the pay and shiattier benefits.
 
2013-09-05 05:37:59 PM  
I've seen it where I work.  They're not going to hire unless they can damn near break someone's will to live.    My employer wants industry leading talent and they want to pay less than half the going rate.  And if they don't get it, they're not hiring.

If it's any indicator, that's what these jobs are.  It's like bidding 20 bucks on every item worth $1000 that you can find on ebay.  If you happen to win one then you pay the $20.
 
2013-09-05 05:38:23 PM  
They want you to have two degrees and work for $10 an hour, non full time, first few weeks will only be 12-15 hours and we would strongly prefer you not have another job so we have open availability.

If you can survive on $150 a week then the jobs yours.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-05 05:38:39 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: No one that's competent wants to work for low wages.


/added for emphasis
 
2013-09-05 05:38:59 PM  
Because of crap like this?

img.docstoccdn.com
 
2013-09-05 05:39:14 PM  
I'll tell you why, because people are sick of working their asses off just to sit right on the poverty line. So it's becoming more and more common for people, especially the younger generation who's already farked no matter what they do, to just deal with unemployment so they at least have time for leisure.

It's not the most mature response to the situation, but that's what happens when you give people shiat and demand they be grateful for it. Eventually people just stop giving a fark.
 
2013-09-05 05:39:25 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: No one wants to work for low wages.


We're done here.  Someone hit the lights on the way out.

/Ten years experience needed - Contract work - No Benefits - On call nights and weekends - No vacation time - $30,000
 
2013-09-05 05:39:51 PM  
If you really want workers, pay more or train more.
 
2013-09-05 05:40:28 PM  
During the Economic DownturnTM businesses realized they could still run with fewer people if they just made the ones they had work more and harder. Hiring a bunch of people now will temporarily lower profits and affect the stock. So, we'll just have to wait it out until the stock price starts to drop because all the good workers leave and production drops.
Then we'll hire too many people to compensate, lots of people won't gain any appreciable experience because they are not doing enough work, and then the cycle will start all over again.
 
2013-09-05 05:40:51 PM  
Our country doesn't need more jobs. It needs more wages. A job is only good if it pays well enough for someone to make a living off of, AND have disposable income. When the money is in the hands of the masses, they spend it.  When money is in the hands of a small few, they save it and put it in overseas accounts.  How hard is it to see that high wages for workers benefits everyone?
 
2013-09-05 05:40:53 PM  
The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.
 
2013-09-05 05:41:20 PM  
The biggest problem I've had is that all the really good people already have jobs. I've been trying to hire a good systems guy for a year.

/Had to tell the one with the best resume that it is appropriate to wear pants to an interview.
 
2013-09-05 05:41:29 PM  
No, Oakland Press, I will not enable javascript. I do give you kudos for posting instructions on how to enable javascript in IE 4, Netscape 4 for Mac OS 9, and AOL 7.
 
2013-09-05 05:41:57 PM  
Couldn't find any half-assed workers during half-assed attempt to hire.

www.examiner.com
 
2013-09-05 05:42:07 PM  
I got a PhD in chem and I've been looking for work for 6+ months now, I've seen large pharma companies just repost the same job month after month. I don't think they actually hire anyone, they're afraid of hiring the wrong person, but they currently aren't afraid of losing money by not producing anything.

Eventually companies will realize that they need people and that people will only work at decent wages. If the companies don't figure that out then they'll cease to exists.
 
2013-09-05 05:42:27 PM  
Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.
 
2013-09-05 05:42:49 PM  
Apparently we're all expected to get a degree paid in student loans so companies don't have to spend anything training, either.
 
2013-09-05 05:43:07 PM  

Esroc: I'll tell you why, because people are sick of working their asses off just to sit right on the poverty line. So it's becoming more and more common for people, especially the younger generation who's already farked no matter what they do, to just deal with unemployment so they at least have time for leisure.

It's not the most mature response to the situation, but that's what happens when you give people shiat and demand they be grateful for it. Eventually people just stop giving a fark.

dig out the guillotine

FTFY

Things are going to get ugly sometime in the next 50 years, one way or another
 
2013-09-05 05:44:01 PM  

Land Ark: During the Economic DownturnTM businesses realized they could still run with fewer people if they just made the ones they had work more and harder. Hiring a bunch of people now will temporarily lower profits and affect the stock. So, we'll just have to wait it out until the stock price starts to drop because all the good workers leave and production drops.
Then we'll hire too many people to compensate, lots of people won't gain any appreciable experience because they are not doing enough work, and then the cycle will start all over again.


If shareholder value drops, you cut wages, cut benefits, and increase the price of your product.  You keep doing this until your company goes out of business or gets bought by the up-and-coming Wall Street Darling, flush with cash.
 
2013-09-05 05:45:43 PM  

leevis: The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.


They're unqualified because boomers aren't retiring and are fighting with the kids fresh out of school for the bottom rung jobs.
 
2013-09-05 05:45:51 PM  

Reverend J: Eventually companies will realize that they need people and that people will only work at decent wages. If the companies don't figure that out then they'll cease to exists.


Plenty of Americans will work for shiat wages, and those shiat wages are a fortune to people in some other countries.
 
2013-09-05 05:45:56 PM  
I perform:
Customer service.
Order entry.
Order delivery.
Order layout.
Payroll.
Payroll Taxes.
Invoicing.
A/R & A/P
Sales Taxes.
Some shop computer hardware/software work.
Office Management.

I honestly think that if this company goes away, I'm farked.
 
2013-09-05 05:46:26 PM  
What do?
 
2013-09-05 05:46:35 PM  

leevis: The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.


You're not supposed to come into an entry level job fully qualified. It's almost as if you have to start somewhere, and then become qualified by actually doing the work for a period of time.

Magic!
 
2013-09-05 05:46:37 PM  
But don't you understand? The higher ups want to keep the salaries and benefits they had from the better years, so they can only cut the labor to keep themselves in the life to which they have grown accustomed.

/Owner raids the company like a cookie jar while we keep losing workers. We get more clients, but don't understand why we can't start to make headway.
 
2013-09-05 05:46:59 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.


Some hiring managers do that to get an idea how many qualified candidates are available.
 
2013-09-05 05:47:50 PM  
Heh. I have an uncle who runs a business and complains all those blood sucking unemployed obamacare freebie wanting leeches have no work ethic because he has a job opening for 2 months that hasn't been filled.

What? How can that happen? Are you too picky? Willing to train?

No, he says, it's manual labor and people are too lazy! They don't want a job where they have to work!

Translation: he wants them to work like a dog for peanuts, and no one is biting.
 
2013-09-05 05:48:10 PM  
Over 50 years old?
Give up.
 
2013-09-05 05:48:40 PM  

cptjeff: leevis: The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.

You're not supposed to come into an entry level job fully qualified. It's almost as if you have to start somewhere, and then become qualified by actually doing the work for a period of time.

Magic!


Yeah. It is magic, because those jobs don't exist anymore.
 
2013-09-05 05:48:59 PM  

leevis: The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.


Not unqualified, just not willing to kill ourselves for the corporate dollar. I could move up into any number of positions that Boomers have vacated in the last 2 years at my company, but I'm not working that hard for such shiat wages. Anybody that takes those soul crushing 80-90 hour a week jobs that Boomers are vacating is a fool. When you do the math you earn less per hour then you would by turning down promotions and just staying at your current position.

I'm honestly surprised that I've not been fired yet, because I work 40 hours a week period. If the company wants more than 40 out of me then they better pay me, other wise they can fark off or fire me.
 
2013-09-05 05:49:00 PM  

Esroc: I'll tell you why, because people are sick of working their asses off just to sit right on the poverty line. So it's becoming more and more common for people, especially the younger generation who's already farked no matter what they do, to just deal with unemployment so they at least have time for leisure.

It's not the most mature response to the situation, but that's what happens when you give people shiat and demand they be grateful for it. Eventually people just stop giving a fark.


This. One of my friends graduated from college and got a decent entry level position in a large company, but almost immediately after getting the job they went on a "wage freeze" when the economy tanked. 7 years and two promotions (and a shiatload more work) later, he's making the same salary when he started, which was a living wage at the time but is borderline poverty level now.

He did the math and figured that with unemployment + welfare + working a few hours a week at a restaurant under the table, he could actually net more money than he does in a full-time professional corporate gig, and have way more free time and less stress.

It's a pretty farked up situation.
 
2013-09-05 05:49:11 PM  
The positions that do not have anyone with the 'skills' to work it is because you had one person that slowly grew into the job over a long period of time.  They were in fact doing three people's jobs the whole time and finally quit when they figured out that they could work half as hard for more money someplace else.  I see it at the place I work at, they need to start promoting from inside instead of always going to the outside.
 
2013-09-05 05:49:35 PM  
I saw a job posting that required 5 years of experience with their custom made software. Like wtf is the point of even posting that? You are basically saying you must already work here or have been recently let go.
 
2013-09-05 05:49:55 PM  

DeadGeek: The biggest problem I've had is that all the really good people already have jobs. I've been trying to hire a good systems guy for a year.

/Had to tell the one with the best resume that it is appropriate to wear pants to an interview.


Now that is a CSB you can share with the class.
 
2013-09-05 05:50:42 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.


I've been hearing a lot of this from the gf recently. Jobs post on Thursday and are gone on Friday.
 
2013-09-05 05:51:14 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?


Yes. If they advertise, but can't find a 'qualified' person that meets all the requirements, they can then hire a H1B from India at 1/4 the prevailing wage rate for that position. But they are allowed to only hire the H1B if they first advertise and claim they cannot find anyone to fill it. So, yes, there is an incentive to advertise, but not hire (at least not hire you anyway).
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-05 05:51:54 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.


Not really sure but her in the LI 'burbs there is a large integrator that has posted the same position for over 1/2 year now.
The recruiter that sent me there (they passed after 3 rounds!) actually has decided he will no longer deal with them as they aren't ever going to get what they want for the price they want to pay. They are LOSERS. So I went back to NYC and my new gig was the result of exactly 1 single interview after which they called 1 hour later and offered. Good companies that are willing to pay will always snag the best talent.

I, like you, wonder if there is some economic payout for them saying "look, we have jobs posted". I fail to see how, but where government is concerned stranger things have happened.
 
2013-09-05 05:52:23 PM  
Subby reads " "We believe that this divergence between openings and hiring is consistent with our view that some of the loss of employment during the recession was structural, rather than purely cyclical, in nature."and decides that means "We dunno".

That sort of sums up why a lot of people that don't have jobs can't get them.  I would rather have my open position unfilled than fill it with someone that lacks reading comprehension.
 
2013-09-05 05:52:43 PM  

leevis: The opening are retiring baby boomers. Unfortunately, the snowflakes are unqualified.


They may not be, but if they ARE qualified, the offer does not beat sitting at home selling weed.
 
2013-09-05 05:52:56 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Apparently we're all expected to get a degree paid in student loans so companies don't have to spend anything training, either.


That's another big part of the problem. Companies put way too much stock in degrees that rarely guarantee the holder actually knows anything. Remember you get the degree even if you make the bare minimum grade in college.

My brother was looking for a job as a mechanic. He loves cars and at 17 years old completely disassembled a 2000-ish model Jeep and rebuilt it from the ground up. Entirely by himself. The kid literally knows how to tear a car down and put it back together again. And he does it for fun. But no one will hire him because he doesn't have a several thousand dollar piece of paper and no employer will take the ten minutes to talk to him and see that he knows what the hell he's doing.

So here he is, a kid who probably knows how a car works better than most professionals, who works at a pizza place. It's a waste of potential.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:01 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.


Job Openings increased 500% while I was in office!
 
2013-09-05 05:53:03 PM  

JohnCarter: Because of crap like this?

[img.docstoccdn.com image 850x1100]


My mother once worked in a civil restitution position. On her resume she put "civil prostitution". She had trouble getting any interviews, but one did bring her in and asked her about it, "So I see you worked in civil prostitution. I didn't know they had that." Her reply was (true story mind you), "Oh yeah, all the biggest organizations have that." They laughed, "Guess we're in the wrong business."

Needless to say she didn't get the job.

We still make fun of her for that incident.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:08 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Translation: he wants them to work like a dog for peanuts, and no one is biting.


Kinda weird how there's this disconnect between "Obama is paying them to sit on their ass" and "no one wants to work" huh?

I went through that here with one of the owners.  I told him that when you hire, you compete with others to hire good people.  The look on his face told me that had never occurred to him before.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:21 PM  

Fabric_Man: HairBolus: Is there any economic incentive (tax breaks?) for a company to say it has job openings but never hire anybody?

A related interpretation, favored by Steven Davis of the University of Chicago, Jason Faberman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and John Haltiwanger of the University of Maryland, is that companies have reduced their "recruiting intensity." They advertise jobs but don't have much interest in filling them.

Some hiring managers do that to get an idea how many qualified candidates are available.


They apparently go so far as to even interview people and never hire anyone.  Happened 3 times now.  I call back a couple times asking and they say they are still thinking it over and will definitely let me know either way.  And call back again if you don't hear from us.  Never hear from them again and still see the job openings posted.

Thanks for wasting my time and faking a doctor's appointment to leave work for your fake interview!
 
2013-09-05 05:53:24 PM  

paygun: Reverend J: Eventually companies will realize that they need people and that people will only work at decent wages. If the companies don't figure that out then they'll cease to exists.

Plenty of Americans will work for shiat wages, and those shiat wages are a fortune to people in some other countries.


I should have clarified, people who are in high-end positions don't work for crappy wages. I've had companies try and offer me less than I was making before I got my PhD without benefits. I ignore those offers then see those jobs posted month after month.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:50 PM  
Look at the postal service who just screwed 70 percent of their flexible work force out of 6 dollars an hour and are now trying to fill the gap they themselves created by offering 15 dollars an hour to walk ins off the street. To date they now are being forced to pay those that are left a lot of overtime because no one in their right minds is doing this job for 15 bucks an hour.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:52 PM  

DeadGeek: The biggest problem I've had is that all the really good people already have jobs. I've been trying to hire a good systems guy for a year.

/Had to tell the one with the best resume that it is appropriate to wear pants to an interview.


Why, if he will never be wearing them at work?

/assuming you mean he was wearing jorts or cutoffs
 
2013-09-05 05:54:51 PM  
1) We don't need your unskilled blue collar ass to do our highly skilled white collar job (Namely: The continuing death of using people for manufacturing).
2) F*ck it, we'll just get an H1-B, and we're using "lack of talent" as an excuse.
3) Oh, you don't have 10 years of experience using Visual Studio 2012 and our proprietary software?  F*ck off.
4) Recruiters aren't offering high enough wages because they keep hearing about how sh*tty the economy is without realizing that that's blue collar people (See: Manufacturing, removal of labor from process), NOT white collar who expect to get paid well AND have a tight enough labor market that can ask for and eventually receive higher salaries.
5) The actual highly skilled workers who do a disproportionate percentage of the innovation in our economy have said "F*ck this," and are already working, have gone into consulting, or are busy working on side projects because, well, F*ck this.

Namely:  http://sealedabstract.com/rants/life-after-jobs/

We're reaching a tipping point:  essentially the hiring pool has been exhausted.  I do not mean this simply in the general "hard to find good people" hyperbole.  I mean, actually, the hiring pool is now zero.  You cannot hire an iOS developer anymore for any amount of money.  The senior people who write iOS software seem to prefer to work on their own projects or do smallish freelancing gigs rather than get a day job, and the people who have day jobs seem to either be uninterested in learning iOS, or, once they learn iOS, quit.

The people who have felt the rumble first are the recruiters, whose livelihood depends entirely on the number of people they can hire.  Back in 2009, I wouldn't even get calls, because they wanted people with multiplatform experience, and I just do iOS.  Then in 2010, they started calling with full-time offers, but I was happy as a contractor.  Then in 2011, they started saying "I know you don't want a full-time offer, but do you know anyone who does?"  Now they've broken down and just ask me to contract on projects, because they're out of options.  Unfortunately now I'm booked solid.
 
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