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(USA Today)   Jan Brewer to appeal FEMA's rejection of AZ emergency aid application for funds to help them pay for fighting the Yarnell wildfire. Where are your bootstraps now?   (usatoday.com) divider line 37
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2013-09-05 02:13:05 PM
4 votes:

Arkanaut: CheetahOlivetti: FTA:  Brewer wrote in her appeal that although nine homes were uninsured, the number of underinsured residences "has greatly increased" because of inadequate compensation from insurance companies. Of the homes destroyed by the fire, homeowners from 17 have opened files with case-management staff and demonstrated that their primary residences were underinsured.

Personal responsibility + trusting the free market. Bootstrappiness at its best.

I could be reading this wrong, but it seems that the insurance issue is unrelated to the request that Brewer is submitting to FEMA; the request is for FEMA to pay for the memorial services for the firefighters and grief counseling for their families.  While it may be for a worthy cause, that might not be something that FEMA is empowered to do.


I just think its interesting watching a bunch of self proclaimed ayn rand style bootstrappy conservatives complaining about not getting enough government funding.
2013-09-05 01:26:12 PM
4 votes:
Because after all, the state's surplus is there to offset tax cuts.
2013-09-05 01:38:46 PM
3 votes:

doyner: Because after all, the state's surplus is there to offset tax cuts.


That assumes there is an actual surplus instead of some accounting tricks.
2013-09-05 04:09:15 PM
2 votes:
These "under insured" houses didn't burn down in the middle of Phoenix metro.  They're way out in the sticks.  God'n'Guns country.  Staunch Republicans.  Each of these poor, displaced Arizonans is a Brewer voter.

They voted for smaller government, rugged individualism and personal responsibility.  They bought the insurance polices that their gut drove them to.  This is a private matter between a citizen and his insurance company.  The federal govt. has no say here, nor does the Governor, nor the state AG.  There shouldn't even be a suggestion, much less a discussion about how much federal money they are entitled to.

If these brave Republicans are having a problem with an insurance claim, they should hire an attorney and take it to the courts as God and the Founders intended.
2013-09-05 02:57:44 PM
2 votes:

lockers: Is it hypocritical? sure. She is in a tough position, she has to say that stuff to her constituents to avoid being called a RINO. Hell, she may even honestly believe it. The problem is her constituents also secretly love big government, so she has to milk it. They would crucify her for not sucking the big government tit.


It's only big government when blah people get something for nothing.
2013-09-05 02:34:25 PM
2 votes:

Muta: Those are great questions. Does anyone know if the the houses were on state for federal land?


I'd hazard that not a single house was on federal land.  Not to say that most of the fire wasn't on federal land but the feds don't usually let people put domiciles on their land.

You know, too lazy to look.  I don't suppose there's any good quotes from Jan or her state's congressmen about denying aid to the NE over Sandy?
2013-09-05 02:32:02 PM
2 votes:
As someone said up thread: Republicans are firmly against any federal assistance, unless they need it. Then it is the federal governments responsability.

I like how some are calling others partisan hacks just because they point out the hypocracy. Of course we care about those that lost their lives and property we just don't care about the leaders they elected that like to bad mouth others that request aid. Soon as they need help it is "omg you don't care about the people".

Maybe she should go on some sort of music awards show and declare the president hates white people.
2013-09-05 02:31:08 PM
2 votes:
Conservative Arizona seems to want to be a walled off community much in the same way Sun City West is walled off from everyone else. Can't have the Feds, can't have the Messicans, can't have nobody from nowhere. Except wherever New Arizona Citizen is from.

They are embarrassing for a state that should be happy to exist and pleased to be in such a good international situation (trade, tourism, etc).
2013-09-05 02:25:34 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: Arkanaut: CheetahOlivetti: FTA:  Brewer wrote in her appeal that although nine homes were uninsured, the number of underinsured residences "has greatly increased" because of inadequate compensation from insurance companies. Of the homes destroyed by the fire, homeowners from 17 have opened files with case-management staff and demonstrated that their primary residences were underinsured.

Personal responsibility + trusting the free market. Bootstrappiness at its best.

I could be reading this wrong, but it seems that the insurance issue is unrelated to the request that Brewer is submitting to FEMA; the request is for FEMA to pay for the memorial services for the firefighters and grief counseling for their families.  While it may be for a worthy cause, that might not be something that FEMA is empowered to do.

I just think its interesting watching a bunch of self proclaimed ayn rand style bootstrappy conservatives complaining about not getting enough government funding.


It's par for the course.  Arizona, for all its purported bootstrapiness, has for years received more from the Federal Government in spending than it pays in taxes.  Welfare state.
2013-09-05 02:23:09 PM
2 votes:
Bootstraps are for poor people of color in her world. FEMA aid money is another story
2013-09-05 02:20:37 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: I just think its interesting watching a bunch of self proclaimed ayn rand style bootstrappy conservatives complaining about not getting enough government funding.


Idealism always fails when it runs into reality. I wish it was a teaching moment for them, but everytime I have talked to someone with a rigid philsophy they wave it of is "This is different". The go right back on to preaching their idiocy.
2013-09-05 02:18:11 PM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.


So you turned socialist too eh?
2013-09-05 02:06:33 PM
2 votes:

Aristocles: I guess Obama doesn't care about those people.


When did you become a socialist?
2013-09-05 02:05:45 PM
2 votes:

Brewer was also asked if the state could use its surplus to help the community recover. She maintained it is the federal government's responsibility.
"We all pay taxes into the federal government, and this is a disaster, and it's a unique situation of a community up in rural Arizona that has been completely, totally destroyed," Brewer said. "Financially, it is not, I don't believe, Arizona's responsibility."


They also pay Arizona state taxes as well, so why doesn't the state pay for it?  How is it a federal matter?  Did the fire cross state lines?
2013-09-05 02:00:37 PM
2 votes:

super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.


Damn skippy.  Political bloviating has consequences?  THE HORROR!
2013-09-05 01:55:38 PM
2 votes:

doyner: FTFA: "Brewer was also asked if the state could use its surplus to help the community recover. She maintained it is the federal government's responsibility."


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its the feds job to save your state?? strappy
2013-09-05 12:40:50 PM
2 votes:
FTA:  Brewer wrote in her appeal that although nine homes were uninsured, the number of underinsured residences "has greatly increased" because of inadequate compensation from insurance companies. Of the homes destroyed by the fire, homeowners from 17 have opened files with case-management staff and demonstrated that their primary residences were underinsured.

Personal responsibility + trusting the free market. Bootstrappiness at its best.
2013-09-05 12:36:52 PM
2 votes:
I wish I could appeal a company's finding when they turn down my application for a job.
2013-09-05 04:27:10 PM
1 votes:

Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.


I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.
2013-09-05 04:12:09 PM
1 votes:
The only moral and godly government help is government help exclusively for meeeeeeeeee
2013-09-05 03:52:33 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?

Fark Obama.


Gay AND socialist? Wow. You've really made quite a few changes in your,life!
2013-09-05 03:18:16 PM
1 votes:
Yea, love how our local AZ Congressmen voted against funding Superstorm Sandy, yet want the federal governement to spend money on a burnt dirthill.

Politics... I'm not sure if they really get how it works.
2013-09-05 02:51:49 PM
1 votes:
I'm from AZ (grew up in Prescott) and while the death of the fire fighters was tragic, the damage monetarily is a drop in the bucket and not worth FEMA's time. Why the state can't pay such a paltry sum is beyond me, as stated it's %10 of Prescotts budget, not %100+
2013-09-05 02:43:13 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Satanic_Hamster: Muta: Those are great questions. Does anyone know if the the houses were on state for federal land?

I'd hazard that not a single house was on federal land.  Not to say that most of the fire wasn't on federal land but the feds don't usually let people put domiciles on their land.

You know, too lazy to look.  I don't suppose there's any good quotes from Jan or her state's congressmen about denying aid to the NE over Sandy?

These guys are in the Congressional record as saying "NO"
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)


But, see, Sandy was a hurricane and just a little gusty wind plus some water.  Water good.

Arizona has a fire.  Fire bad (like Obama).
2013-09-05 02:40:52 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Muta: Those are great questions. Does anyone know if the the houses were on state for federal land?

I'd hazard that not a single house was on federal land.  Not to say that most of the fire wasn't on federal land but the feds don't usually let people put domiciles on their land.

You know, too lazy to look.  I don't suppose there's any good quotes from Jan or her state's congressmen about denying aid to the NE over Sandy?


These guys are in the Congressional record as saying "NO"
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
2013-09-05 02:32:24 PM
1 votes:
It's theater.  Her people already know FEMA wouldn't deny something without good cause.  This is just theater to ratchet up the "Obama doesn't care about you" narrative.
2013-09-05 02:23:14 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.


Can we find out which ones voted for Brewer? Because they're involved.
2013-09-05 02:21:04 PM
1 votes:
*starts tossing lit highway flares into the Arizona brush*
2013-09-05 02:13:19 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.

Why don't they use their surplus?

Because they already paid into the federal program?

Don't let partisan bitterness cloud your judgement.


So you're saying they don't have to suffer it's just that the governor wants a handout for political reasons not because they can't afford it. Gotcha hack.
2013-09-05 02:08:07 PM
1 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: FTA:  Brewer wrote in her appeal that although nine homes were uninsured, the number of underinsured residences "has greatly increased" because of inadequate compensation from insurance companies. Of the homes destroyed by the fire, homeowners from 17 have opened files with case-management staff and demonstrated that their primary residences were underinsured.

Personal responsibility + trusting the free market. Bootstrappiness at its best.


I could be reading this wrong, but it seems that the insurance issue is unrelated to the request that Brewer is submitting to FEMA; the request is for FEMA to pay for the memorial services for the firefighters and grief counseling for their families.  While it may be for a worthy cause, that might not be something that FEMA is empowered to do.
2013-09-05 02:06:47 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: sugardave: super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.

Damn skippy.  Political bloviating has consequences?  THE HORROR!

Political grandstanding deserve mockery and lost votes.

Punishing the residents of a state because you personally find their politician despicable is how they say... douche-tasticly partisan and vindictive.


You act like the two things are mutually exclusive. They voted for this nitwit (among others). You reap what you sow.
2013-09-05 02:05:19 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.

Why don't they use their surplus?

Because they already paid into the federal program?

Don't let partisan bitterness cloud your judgement.


Arizona takes $1.19 for ever $1 they pay in.  If I dislike leeches, does that make me a Republican because of some mythical ideology they think they have in practice or a Democrat because of actual honest-to-goodness reality?

Just trying to figure out what kind of partisan hack I am.
2013-09-05 01:53:21 PM
1 votes:
IT'S ONLY WASTEFUL WHEN THOSE PEOPLE GET ANY OF THE MONEY!
2013-09-05 01:52:05 PM
1 votes:
My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.
2013-09-05 01:43:08 PM
1 votes:
And FEMA should deny the appeal, too

/secede if you don't like it, Leatherface
//just need to move the fence north a ways
2013-09-05 01:22:02 PM
1 votes:
We sold them to Bootstraps, Inc. and can't afford the fees anymore because tax cuts.
2013-09-05 12:48:21 PM
1 votes:
Tough titties you leathery skinned biatch!

Go suck some koch, maybe you can earn some money.
 
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