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(USA Today)   Jan Brewer to appeal FEMA's rejection of AZ emergency aid application for funds to help them pay for fighting the Yarnell wildfire. Where are your bootstraps now?   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2013-09-05 02:44:01 PM  
C'mon, Arizona is already getting $1.46 back for every Federal tax dollar they pay in. Grow some balls, will ya?

It behooves the Federal government to occasionally dick over a red state now and then. Sure, if it's a Katrina-esque disaster, we should go in and clean up their mess, but they need to learn the hard way that if you starve the beast, the beast may be tempted to eat you. "Sorry, can't help [shrug]. You know, sequester."
 
2013-09-05 02:45:03 PM  

doyner: Satanic_Hamster: Muta: Those are great questions. Does anyone know if the the houses were on state for federal land?

I'd hazard that not a single house was on federal land.  Not to say that most of the fire wasn't on federal land but the feds don't usually let people put domiciles on their land.

You know, too lazy to look.  I don't suppose there's any good quotes from Jan or her state's congressmen about denying aid to the NE over Sandy?

These guys are in the Congressional record as saying "NO"
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)


Ah.  So fark them, then.
 
2013-09-05 02:51:49 PM  
I'm from AZ (grew up in Prescott) and while the death of the fire fighters was tragic, the damage monetarily is a drop in the bucket and not worth FEMA's time. Why the state can't pay such a paltry sum is beyond me, as stated it's %10 of Prescotts budget, not %100+
 
2013-09-05 02:57:44 PM  

lockers: Is it hypocritical? sure. She is in a tough position, she has to say that stuff to her constituents to avoid being called a RINO. Hell, she may even honestly believe it. The problem is her constituents also secretly love big government, so she has to milk it. They would crucify her for not sucking the big government tit.


It's only big government when blah people get something for nothing.
 
2013-09-05 03:06:28 PM  

sugardave: doyner: Satanic_Hamster: Muta: Those are great questions. Does anyone know if the the houses were on state for federal land?

I'd hazard that not a single house was on federal land.  Not to say that most of the fire wasn't on federal land but the feds don't usually let people put domiciles on their land.

You know, too lazy to look.  I don't suppose there's any good quotes from Jan or her state's congressmen about denying aid to the NE over Sandy?

These guys are in the Congressional record as saying "NO"
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)

But, see, Sandy was a hurricane and just a little gusty wind plus some water.  Water good.

Arizona has a fire.  Fire bad (like Obama).



Well, you don't hear about WATER and BRIMSTONE, do ya?
 
2013-09-05 03:12:10 PM  
It never really seemed FEMA worthy if you ask me.
 
2013-09-05 03:17:17 PM  
Pray more.
 
2013-09-05 03:18:16 PM  
Yea, love how our local AZ Congressmen voted against funding Superstorm Sandy, yet want the federal governement to spend money on a burnt dirthill.

Politics... I'm not sure if they really get how it works.
 
2013-09-05 03:19:48 PM  

super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.


Who do you think voted Brewer into office?
 
2013-09-05 03:22:00 PM  
Haha! F*ck you, Arizona.
 
2013-09-05 03:27:15 PM  
It seems like they need some sort of protection from these fires.  Shields, or something like that.
 
2013-09-05 03:28:03 PM  

super_grass: Don't let partisan bitterness cloud your judgement.


Partisan bitterness is a goal and reward unto itself!
 
2013-09-05 03:29:40 PM  

Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?


Fark Obama.
 
2013-09-05 03:33:19 PM  

GoldSpider: super_grass: Don't let partisan bitterness cloud your judgement.

Partisan bitterness is a goal and reward unto itself!


www.addictinginfo.org

Red State is Best State.  -Sum Tin Wong
 
2013-09-05 03:34:03 PM  

Fart_Machine: While deaths from the wildfire are tragic why are they trying to get money from FEMA to pay for a memorial?


That's what I took away, too. I thought maybe I had read TFA wrong.
 
2013-09-05 03:38:52 PM  
That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.
 
2013-09-05 03:40:17 PM  
How about rich people just stop putting up stick built abominations in the path of every natural disaster? I was talking to a counterpart for the Raiders at a game once, and he had lost his house to a wildfire, a mudslide and an earthquake. I asked him why he would rebuild and he told me how much money he MADE off of those losses. Federal aid is mostly rich people real-estate welfare.
 
2013-09-05 03:41:23 PM  

sugardave: But, see, Sandy was a hurricane and just a little gusty wind plus some water.  Water good


Essentially a food additive, from what I hear...
 
2013-09-05 03:46:56 PM  
Oh shut up, Jan Brewer, you coont.

/And a large portion of the people of Arizona, too.
//Some are pretty cool, though.  The state itself has some beautiful parts, too.
 
2013-09-05 03:47:04 PM  
Texas is the largest recipient of FEMA money and you know when hurricane season gets kicking they will be next on the list.

//might as well succeed now
 
2013-09-05 03:52:33 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?

Fark Obama.


Gay AND socialist? Wow. You've really made quite a few changes in your,life!
 
2013-09-05 03:54:03 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?

Fark Obama.


Your intellect is dizzying.
 
2013-09-05 03:58:09 PM  

monoski: Texas is the largest recipient of FEMA money and you know when hurricane season gets kicking they will be next on the list.

//might as well succeed now


Heh.
 
2013-09-05 04:06:54 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?

Fark Obama.


I don't think you're his type.
 
2013-09-05 04:09:15 PM  
These "under insured" houses didn't burn down in the middle of Phoenix metro.  They're way out in the sticks.  God'n'Guns country.  Staunch Republicans.  Each of these poor, displaced Arizonans is a Brewer voter.

They voted for smaller government, rugged individualism and personal responsibility.  They bought the insurance polices that their gut drove them to.  This is a private matter between a citizen and his insurance company.  The federal govt. has no say here, nor does the Governor, nor the state AG.  There shouldn't even be a suggestion, much less a discussion about how much federal money they are entitled to.

If these brave Republicans are having a problem with an insurance claim, they should hire an attorney and take it to the courts as God and the Founders intended.
 
2013-09-05 04:12:09 PM  
The only moral and godly government help is government help exclusively for meeeeeeeeee
 
2013-09-05 04:13:04 PM  
Good. If you opposed sandy relief aid then you don't deserve aid
 
2013-09-05 04:22:22 PM  

super_grass: sugardave: super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.

Damn skippy.  Political bloviating has consequences?  THE HORROR!

Political grandstanding deserve mockery and lost votes.

Punishing the residents of a state because you personally find their politician despicable is how they say... douche-tasticly partisan and vindictive.


Sometimes, people deserve to be treated poorly.
 
2013-09-05 04:27:10 PM  

Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.


I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.
 
2013-09-05 04:29:29 PM  

Evil High Priest: super_grass: sugardave: super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.

Damn skippy.  Political bloviating has consequences?  THE HORROR!

Political grandstanding deserve mockery and lost votes.

Punishing the residents of a state because you personally find their politician despicable is how they say... douche-tasticly partisan and vindictive.

Sometimes, people deserve to be treated poorly.


Yeah, I don't really know how many times we can say "Look, dipsh*ts, vilify the poor and the government all you want, when the shoe is on the other foot, you'll be sorry as f*ck" before we should just give up, because it's in one ear and out the other with the simple folk of the Tea Party. Maybe we need to teach them a lesson in f*cking humility because I'm out of options, toilet paper.
 
2013-09-05 04:33:15 PM  
I'd say let the burn in hell but apparently they already are.
 
2013-09-05 04:52:09 PM  

RobotSpider: sugardave: But, see, Sandy was a hurricane and just a little gusty wind plus some water.  Water good

Essentially a food additive, from what I hear...


Water, wet, good.
 
2013-09-05 05:07:25 PM  
I think some tax cuts for the top 1% should solve this problem.
 
2013-09-05 05:07:27 PM  
If they give the firefighters, you know the ones that actually risk their lives to save the state, full benefits and their families full coverage in case of loss of life, then I think they should get it.

If they are going to treat these heroes like their Corporate Masters temp whores, then forget it.
 
2013-09-05 05:31:50 PM  

Weaver95: Aristocles: I guess Obama doesn't care about those people.

When did you become a socialist?



Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: More compassion from the Obiwan.

So you turned socialist too eh?


Trololo.


And for those of you biatching about Sandy vs this fire, most of you can shut up. The damage Sandy did is many, many times larger than damage this fire did. Arizona Republicans whined about Sandy money, but now suddenly it's ok? Go fark yourselves.
 
2013-09-05 05:53:03 PM  
It's all evil and socialism until it's your state that needs the money.
 
2013-09-05 06:35:40 PM  

DeaH: Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.

I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.


Of course, you're correct and being completely rational. I, however, tend to spend too much time staring into the abyss, and it makes me crazy. I'm going to go fishing tomorrow - don't care if I catch anything.
 
2013-09-05 07:02:14 PM  

Craptastic: DeaH: Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.

I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.

Of course, you're correct and being completely rational. I, however, tend to spend too much time staring into the abyss, and it makes me crazy. I'm going to go fishing tomorrow - don't care if I catch anything.


That's the best kind of fishing there is.
 
2013-09-05 07:36:56 PM  

DeaH: Craptastic: DeaH: Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.

I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.

Of course, you're correct and being completely rational. I, however, tend to spend too much time staring into the abyss, and it makes me crazy. I'm going to go fishing tomorrow - don't care if I catch anything.

That's the best kind of fishing there is.


Yessir. Just me, my dog, and a radio. There's a tree next to the lake that needs me to sit under it for a while.
 
2013-09-05 08:05:56 PM  

Craptastic: DeaH: Craptastic: DeaH: Craptastic: That's what happens when you stick your stupid finger in the president's face.

Go to hell, Jan Brewer. If you gave a shiat about the citizens of your state, you'd observe some protocol, you dusty old coont.

I'm pretty libby-lib*, and I have a problem with that if it is true. If this kind of request would be rejected in a state like Massachusetts, that's one thing. If it's a political reprisal, that's bad even if it is a reprisal against an asshat like Brewer.

*By the contemporary definition of a libby-lib being anyone to the left of John Birch.

Of course, you're correct and being completely rational. I, however, tend to spend too much time staring into the abyss, and it makes me crazy. I'm going to go fishing tomorrow - don't care if I catch anything.

That's the best kind of fishing there is.

Yessir. Just me, my dog, and a radio. There's a tree next to the lake that needs me to sit under it for a while.


A paperback is also a great thing to bring along, as is a hat you can tilt over your eyes. My granddad was partial to Zane Grey for fishing. I am partial to mysteries.
 
2013-09-05 08:26:26 PM  

Lord_Baull: Pray more.


Pray harder!
 
2013-09-05 09:35:57 PM  

super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.


Yes, fark them. Elections have conseqences, your vote does matter. You vote for these jackasses and this is what you sow. YOu don't want the federal government in your life, well guess what this is what not having the government around looks like. The East coast don't get Sandy releaf, you don't get it either. Life with your mistake, think about who you are voting for and what it will mean.
 
2013-09-05 10:05:29 PM  

super_grass: My opposition to the governor's politics justifies my willingness to let uninvolved civilians suffer.

Anyone who disagrees is a partisan hack.


They're not "uninvolved", they voted for that harridan. Let them appeal straight to HER if they want money to fix their houses.
 
2013-09-05 10:39:05 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "Brewer was also asked if the state could use its surplus to help the community recover. She maintained it is the federal government's responsibility.
"We all pay taxes into the federal government, and this is a disaster, and it's a unique situation of a community up in rural Arizona that has been completely, totally destroyed," Brewer said. "Financially, it is not, I don't believe, Arizona's responsibility."


They also pay Arizona state taxes as well, so why doesn't the state pay for it?  How is it a federal matter?  Did the fire cross state lines?"



WTF? IIRC, Katrina didn't cross state lines, but I'm pretty sure Louisiana leaned on the federal government for financial help with the aftermath. In a similar vein, New York City runs a budget surplus every single year -- that didn't stop anyone from asking for federal help after Sandy destroyed parts of the city. As we speak, there's a bunch of federally-funded firefighters in California helping to put out the Yosemite fire. Why the outrage here, suddenly?
 
2013-09-05 10:45:12 PM  

spmkk: Satanic_Hamster: "Brewer was also asked if the state could use its surplus to help the community recover. She maintained it is the federal government's responsibility.
"We all pay taxes into the federal government, and this is a disaster, and it's a unique situation of a community up in rural Arizona that has been completely, totally destroyed," Brewer said. "Financially, it is not, I don't believe, Arizona's responsibility."


They also pay Arizona state taxes as well, so why doesn't the state pay for it?  How is it a federal matter?  Did the fire cross state lines?"


WTF? IIRC, Katrina didn't cross state lines, but I'm pretty sure Louisiana leaned on the federal government for financial help with the aftermath. In a similar vein, New York City runs a budget surplus every single year -- that didn't stop anyone from asking for federal help after Sandy destroyed parts of the city. As we speak, there's a bunch of federally-funded firefighters in California helping to put out the Yosemite fire. Why the outrage here, suddenly?


Outrage?  Looks more like a heaping serving of "fark you, you partisan hack" to me.
 
2013-09-05 10:47:42 PM  

spmkk: WTF? IIRC, Katrina didn't cross state lines, but I'm pretty sure Louisiana leaned on the federal government for financial help with the aftermath. In a similar vein, New York City runs a budget surplus every single year -- that didn't stop anyone from asking for federal help after Sandy destroyed parts of the city. As we speak, there's a bunch of federally-funded firefighters in California helping to put out the Yosemite fire. Why the outrage here, suddenly?


What I'm getting at is her justifications are hollow on the surface.  The claim on paying taxes is meaningless, it's not a hugely damaging fire in terms of area or dollar value OR people affected, and it's hypocritical given her and her congressmen's own resistance against aid to "liberal" states.
 
2013-09-06 06:23:45 AM  

Craptastic: I'm going to go fishing tomorrow - don't care if I catch anything.

That's the best kind of fishing there is.

Yessir. Just me, my dog, and a radio. There's a tree next to the lake that needs me to sit under it for a while.


Fishing like that, there's no real need to even bait the hook, is their?
 
2013-09-06 06:42:52 AM  

spmkk: Satanic_Hamster: "Brewer was also asked if the state could use its surplus to help the community recover. She maintained it is the federal government's responsibility.
"We all pay taxes into the federal government, and this is a disaster, and it's a unique situation of a community up in rural Arizona that has been completely, totally destroyed," Brewer said. "Financially, it is not, I don't believe, Arizona's responsibility."


They also pay Arizona state taxes as well, so why doesn't the state pay for it?  How is it a federal matter?  Did the fire cross state lines?"


WTF? IIRC, Katrina didn't cross state lines, but I'm pretty sure Louisiana leaned on the federal government for financial help with the aftermath. In a similar vein, New York City runs a budget surplus every single year -- that didn't stop anyone from asking for federal help after Sandy destroyed parts of the city. As we speak, there's a bunch of federally-funded firefighters in California helping to put out the Yosemite fire. Why the outrage here, suddenly?


The representatives of this state voted against sandy relief aid because blue states

So yes Fark them
 
2013-09-06 09:19:59 AM  
I still yet to see what building a memorial has to do with the management of Federal emergencies. It not even part of a recovery effort. If you can't afford it try something a little smaller. Around here they like to stick a couple of sticks in the shape of a cross by the side of the road. Cost you a few dollars. Should be affordable by Arizona. Millions spent on a memorial when the state is begging constantly for money is the very height of wasting money.
 
2013-09-06 09:59:57 AM  

spmkk: IIRC, Katrina didn't cross state lines


Possibly technically correct, as the Gulf of Mexico is not usually counted as a "state line", and I can't tell whether it fell below hurricane strength before the eye crossed the border to Mississippi. However, it's the sort of technically correct that does not support the broader argument. The eye of the storm did cross both Florida and Louisiana at hurricane strength; and as usual for hurricanes, the storm was wider than the single state.
 
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