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(Politico)   NRSC official calls Grimes an "empty dress." Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that's what he was hoping to see next to his bed after the election   (politico.com ) divider line
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2013-09-05 11:29:14 AM  

urbangirl: But why did they feel the need to use the "feminine version"? She's not running for feminine Senator.

Not that this really bothers me. I think it just emphasizes the image of Repubs as totally out of touch with the 21st century. And the 20th, for that matter.


Probably for the same reason that people don't call women "him".  In an odd way, it's kind of GOP-cute they're attempting to level the same kind of criticism on a woman that would be appropriate for a man.  It's almost like they're struggling to evolve into a societal mindset that would move their philosophy boldly into the 1970s.
 
2013-09-05 11:31:06 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm accused by True Conservatives of being the libbiest lib to ever lib liberalism and I have no problem with this.

If anything, it's not sexist, IT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT.  And for a True Real American Conservative, that's an even greater sin then sexism.

Also, does she even wear dresses, or is she more a pants suit type of guy?



I've only seen her a couple of times (I work in the Capitol building in Frankfort), but IIRC she was wearing skirts both times.
 
2013-09-05 11:31:40 AM  

lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.


I don't really see it as sexism, can you explain that?

Personally, I just see it as incorrect.
 
2013-09-05 11:34:13 AM  

jcooli09: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I don't really see it as sexism, can you explain that?

Personally, I just see it as incorrect.


It's a dog whistle.
 
2013-09-05 11:34:17 AM  

RevRaven: Call her an empty suit: "That's sexist"
Call her an empty dress: That's sexist".

Masterful troll.


That was basically what I thought.  Looks like just a bunch of people that wouldn't like the guy regardless of what he did manufacturing outrage.

I mean, how DARE he acknowlegde that she is a woman!! That is sexist!!
 
2013-09-05 11:36:39 AM  

give me doughnuts: I've only seen her a couple of times (I work in the Capitol building in Frankfort), but IIRC she was wearing skirts both times.


All right, so it's factually accurate.

Farkers, I'm going have to rule this as not sexist but overly politically correct, which makes the NRSC officials to be RINOS.

So it has been said and so let it be written, in Khorne we trust.
 
2013-09-05 11:37:07 AM  
Serious Black:

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.

Horseshiat.  Slavery was an economic crime
 
2013-09-05 11:42:35 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Serious Black:

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.

Horseshiat.  Slavery was an economic crime


So there weren't tons of Christians who thumped the Bible while writing blatantly racist things about slaves? John Calhoun didn't outright say that blacks had "Never before...attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually" to defend slavery? That's horseshiat.
 
2013-09-05 11:42:54 AM  

lockers: jcooli09: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I don't really see it as sexism, can you explain that?

Personally, I just see it as incorrect.

It's a dog whistle.


Maybe, but if so it's a weak one.  Her name is Alison, is it a dog whistle to say call her by name?
 
2013-09-05 11:48:56 AM  

give me doughnuts: Outrageous Muff: Diogenes: That is one of the worst attempts at deflection I've ever seen.  And we swim in it here on Fark.

Right, go back and look at all the threads about how the reason Ashley Judd was being attacked was because she was the only candidate worthy-enough to defeat Turtle.

I remember quite a few liberals, myself included, saying that Ashley's stance on the coal-mining industry would make her unelectable.
I also remember quite a few liberals, myself included, saying that since Ashley hadn't moved back to Kentucky to establish residency or declared her candidacy any talk of her running was meaningless speculation.


I'm pretty sure my thinking on Judd was "Wow, McConnell's spending millions attacking a Hollywood liberal (or at least someone easily painted as such) who hasn't even officially declared her candidacy yet - imagine how badly he's gonna freak out when he's up against a candidate who could actually win?"
 
2013-09-05 11:49:41 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Hey! He makes the best coffee in the Core.

/besides, I believe the term is "blouse" not "dress"
 
2013-09-05 11:50:54 AM  

jcooli09: Maybe, but if so it's a weak one. Her name is Alison, is it a dog whistle to say call her by name?


I didn't say it was a strong one. I am merely saying it is consistent with the GOP pattern of using subtle rhetoric to relentlessly pound out a reason why your bigotry is warranted. The comment itself isn't shocking nor is it particularly offensive. What is offensive is the consistent use of bigotry against an opponent as a tactic for political gain. It's cynical and juvenile.
 
2013-09-05 11:52:45 AM  
somewhere a empty Brooks Brothers 3 pc suit is laughing
 
2013-09-05 11:56:04 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 174x200]

Hey! He makes the best coffee in the Core.

/besides, I believe the term is "blouse" not "dress"

you shut your dirty whore mouth, referring to the Rangers as Marines

 
2013-09-05 11:57:53 AM  
FTA: is "incapable of articulating her own thoughts" and an "empty dress."
www.mikechurch.com
Hey y'all, whatcha talkin' bout?
 
2013-09-05 11:58:11 AM  

Serious Black: Zeb Hesselgresser: Serious Black:

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.

Horseshiat.  Slavery was an economic crime

So there weren't tons of Christians who thumped the Bible while writing blatantly racist things about slaves? John Calhoun didn't outright say that blacks had "Never before...attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually" to defend slavery? That's horseshiat.


Somebody tried a moral rationalization for committing a crime?

~*<youdon'tsay.jpg>*~
 
2013-09-05 12:04:04 PM  

urbangirl: Mercutio74: I hate the GOP but this is a non-issue.  Maybe "empty pantsuit" would have been a better phrase, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that she's worn a dress to at least one public appearance while she's been running.

In any case, the comment is clearly about the GOP's belief that she an insubstantial candidate and any sexist tilt to the comment is simply about making a feminine version of the masculine "empty suit".

But why did they feel the need to use the "feminine version"?  She's not running for feminine Senator.

Not that this really bothers me.  I think it just emphasizes the image of Repubs as totally out of touch with the 21st century.  And the 20th, for that matter.


You use the feminine version because she's a woman. What a ridiculous question.

I can't stand Turtle, but this it's really really stupid.
 
2013-09-05 12:04:05 PM  

lockers: I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women.


Sexist how?  People are really reaching here.  The phrase "empty suit" has been around forever.  Just changing it to "dress" because women wear dresses does not make it suddenly sexist.  It's not even clever.

An insult does not magically become "sexist" just because the target happens to be female instead.

And for the record, I hope Grimes beats the poop out of that empty-shelled turtle.
 
2013-09-05 12:08:24 PM  

lockers: jcooli09: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I don't really see it as sexism, can you explain that?

Personally, I just see it as incorrect.

It's a dog whistle.


Is it really a dog whistle if the only people who can hear it are those seeking any opportunity to accuse the GOP of using dog whistles?

As someone pointed out, her first name is Alison.  If he referred to her as Ms. Grimes would that have been a dog whistle too?

Next thing you know if someone refers to someone as a Democrat, that too will be considered a dog whistle.

It's funny though watching her supporters latch onto this as something important which must be exploited to sell her candidacy because it reinforces the idea that she really is an empty dress.  If she weren't they could point to her positions on issues that proved that she was anything but "empty".
 
2013-09-05 12:09:48 PM  
I don't understand the outrage over the empty dress comment. It's just "empty suit" for a woman. What am I missing?
 
2013-09-05 12:13:40 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand the outrage over the empty dress comment. It's just "empty suit" for a woman. What am I missing?


The need to be outraged over every political attack made by the party you hate.
 
2013-09-05 12:14:01 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand the outrage over the empty dress comment. It's just "empty suit" for a woman. What am I missing?


That people don't like him so they'll jump on anything they can, logic be damned.

If only they realized things like this weaken legitimate gripes.
 
2013-09-05 12:14:50 PM  

JonPace: That people don't like him so they'll jump on anything they can, logic be damned.


Oh, make no mistake - Brad Dayspring is a horrible, incompetent, dumb-as-rocks piece of shiat. These 2 words, though, weren't that outrageous.
 
2013-09-05 12:23:17 PM  

Serious Black: kidgenius: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I dunno....we call men an "empty suit" all the time. Classically, men wear suits and women wear dresses. This is a stupid comment, but I wouldn't really call it sexist.

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.


Comparing black people "classically" being slaves to women "classically" wearing dresses is not even a close comparison. One is a horrible abuse of a human being. The other is just some clothes that are still worn to this day. That's a hell of a stretch.
 
2013-09-05 12:30:17 PM  

gfid: Next thing you know if someone refers to someone as a Democrat, that too will be considered a dog whistle.


have you ever heard the term "likely Democrat voter" used before
 
2013-09-05 12:36:45 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand the outrage over the empty dress comment. It's just "empty suit" for a woman. What am I missing?


Apparently, it's a "dog whistle" which appears to only be audible to her supporters.
 
2013-09-05 12:36:49 PM  
Why is it ok to refer to a man as an empty suit, but wrong to refer to a woman as an empty dress?
 
2013-09-05 12:39:40 PM  
Hmm. I wonder how Conservatives would have acted if it had been a Democrat calling a female Republican(say..Sarah Palin) an "empty dress"?

Oh right, they'd run around screaming that liberals are the real sexists and just scared of a strong Conservative female.
 
2013-09-05 12:44:21 PM  
This image is also apparently sexist:

www.uline.ca
 
2013-09-05 12:52:25 PM  

kidgenius: Serious Black: kidgenius: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I dunno....we call men an "empty suit" all the time. Classically, men wear suits and women wear dresses. This is a stupid comment, but I wouldn't really call it sexist.

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.

Comparing black people "classically" being slaves to women "classically" wearing dresses is not even a close comparison. One is a horrible abuse of a human being. The other is just some clothes that are still worn to this day. That's a hell of a stretch.


My point was that you can't say decades or centuries of tradition is a good reason to continue doing something. As you noted, slavery is a terrible institution that degrades human beings, and dresses are clothes people wear that do no objective harm to anyone (that we know of at least). Those are better arguments for the goodness and badness of things than "oh, we've always done this."
 
2013-09-05 01:13:14 PM  
Pantiwadulous!
 
2013-09-05 01:13:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Outrageous Muff: all the liberals that spent two months saying the crazy movie star was the only candidate that could defeat Turtle, and now they have to eat crow.

So...who? Who are these people?


Liberals.  All of them.  Weren't you at the meetings?  Or did you not get the memo?
 
2013-09-05 02:00:06 PM  
What's "offensive" is that Grimes accomplished more before age 35 than most folks do in a lifetime - some "empty dress". Unlike McConnell, who spent 20 years as a patronage political appointee/county judge first,  I'd like some specific references to this "incomprehensible babbling" mentioned too.  I don't think Mitch "filibuster my own bill" McConnell is going to look very good by comparison.
 
2013-09-05 02:34:48 PM  

Serious Black: kidgenius: Serious Black: kidgenius: lockers: Diogenes: Poor choice of words.  And though I do think they should chastised for it, it's really low on the sexism scale they've calibrated for themselves.

What annoys me more is that McConnell's people probably thought it was clever.

I disagree. It is blatant sexism, not to be outraged over, but understood in context of an ongoing hatred towards women. Women (and men who love women) should see that the pattern is consistent. When you recognize that you must realize that the misogynists will never vote in a woman's interest.

I dunno....we call men an "empty suit" all the time. Classically, men wear suits and women wear dresses. This is a stupid comment, but I wouldn't really call it sexist.

Classically, blacks were slaves in America because we had to civilize the heathen.

Comparing black people "classically" being slaves to women "classically" wearing dresses is not even a close comparison. One is a horrible abuse of a human being. The other is just some clothes that are still worn to this day. That's a hell of a stretch.

My point was that you can't say decades or centuries of tradition is a good reason to continue doing something. As you noted, slavery is a terrible institution that degrades human beings, and dresses are clothes people wear that do no objective harm to anyone (that we know of at least). Those are better arguments for the goodness and badness of things than "oh, we've always done this."


Except that tradition is the reason most things are done. It's only a "bad" thing when the act is bad in the first place. Like your ridiculous slavery analogy.
 
2013-09-05 02:36:23 PM  
And damnit stop making me defend Turtle
 
2013-09-05 03:04:50 PM  

mrshowrules: This image is also apparently sexist:

[www.uline.ca image 300x400]


img822.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-05 03:44:07 PM  

Outrageous Muff: The funniest part about the KY race is all the liberals that spent two months saying the crazy movie star was the only candidate that could defeat Turtle, and now they have to eat crow.


Are you retarded?  Just asking.
 
2013-09-06 03:08:14 AM  
"How ironic that Mitch McConnell talks about the importance of women voters to his campaign, and a few days later, his spokesman uses a sexist smear against a strong, smart and capable woman," Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said in a statement to POLITICO. "I don't understand these men in the Republican Party. It seems almost impossible for them to open their mouths without insulting women."

No, Senator, I think you do understand them.
 
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