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(Politico)   "Liberals balk on Syria." But hey, at least we possibly have candidates for the "definite maybe" award later, so congrats. I guess?   (politico.com ) divider line
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2013-09-05 08:50:57 AM  
God forbid they follow the wishes of a clear majority of their constituents.
 
2013-09-05 09:13:17 AM  
Good.

I feel better.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:07 AM  
Why don't liberals want to bomb a country? blowing up people is totally right up their alley, right?
 
2013-09-05 09:15:29 AM  
OMG! Liberals are split on foreign policy! This is not a repeat of every issue since 1875.
 
2013-09-05 09:16:52 AM  
Sad tag? It's sad the traditionally less hawkish side of the aisle has reservations about military action in a country that has historically hated us?
 
2013-09-05 09:17:04 AM  
Once again only a handful of dems are willing to join the GOP to stand against Obama's tyranny.
 
2013-09-05 09:18:48 AM  

Outrageous Muff: OMG! Liberals are split on foreign policy! This is not a repeat of every issue since 1875.


I'm hoping liberals aren't. Democrats are, though, obviously.
 
2013-09-05 09:20:04 AM  

Aristocles: Once again only a handful of dems are willing to join the GOP to stand against Obama's tyranny.


The solution is simple. We need more liberal democrats.
 
2013-09-05 09:20:11 AM  
Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.
 
2013-09-05 09:21:01 AM  

sendtodave: Aristocles: Once again only a handful of dems are willing to join the GOP to stand against Obama's tyranny.

The solution is simple. We need more liberal democrats.


Don't quote it please.
 
2013-09-05 09:21:32 AM  

sendtodave: Aristocles: Once again only a handful of dems are willing to join the GOP to stand against Obama's tyranny.

The solution is simple. We need more liberal democrats.


Are they running a special on troll food at Big Lots?

//Just Say No. -Nancy Reagan
 
2013-09-05 09:22:18 AM  

coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.



We are bound to win it one of these days

/maybe
//who am I kidding
///can we cheat?
 
2013-09-05 09:22:22 AM  

coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.


International Relations is a constant game of no-wins. Welcome to the real world.
 
2013-09-05 09:23:48 AM  
Dammit Obama, I remember when you were cool!
 
2013-09-05 09:26:55 AM  

Outrageous Muff: coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.

International Relations is a constant game of no-wins. Welcome to the real world.


The best and most merkin thing to do in a no win situation like this is to give as much money as possible to military contractors. Worked in Iraq, only 80 people were aspoled there last week.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:23 AM  
I'm not much of a liberal, but I do wonder what the Hague and international courts are for if not exactly this sort of thing.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:46 AM  
I look forward to the number of Republican senators we will be able to brand as cowards who talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

"More tanks? What for? You didn't want to go into Syria..." etc
 
2013-09-05 09:29:40 AM  

Heraclitus: Dammit Obama, I remember when you were cool!


Now he's like the Fonz, a parody of what he once was.
 
2013-09-05 09:30:20 AM  

Outrageous Muff: coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.

International Relations is a constant game of no-wins. Welcome to the real world.


Based on your litany of trolltastic posts, I can only assume you live in Hyrule, constantly guarding the bridges, looking for cash.
 
2013-09-05 09:32:27 AM  
Anti-semites!
 
2013-09-05 09:34:35 AM  

coeyagi: you live in Hyrule


I'm pretty sure there are no trolls in Hyrule. But I haven't really played a Zelda game since Majoras Mask
 
2013-09-05 09:34:53 AM  

coeyagi: Outrageous Muff: coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.

International Relations is a constant game of no-wins. Welcome to the real world.

Based on your litany of trolltastic posts, I can only assume you live in Hyrule, constantly guarding the bridges, looking for cash You're right, but since I don't like the way you said it I'm going to call you a troll.

ftfy

 
2013-09-05 09:35:44 AM  
You're all gong to see the size of Obama's redlined ball sack now.

Astro-Hungary will declare war on Syria and save us all.
 
2013-09-05 09:37:02 AM  
So Lybia at first takes second and the pitch was nullified?
 
2013-09-05 09:42:26 AM  
I bet the Nobel committee is kicking themselves about now.

I'm sure the libs will find a way to blame this on Bush.
 
2013-09-05 09:43:42 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: I bet the Nobel committee is kicking themselves about now.

I'm sure the libs will find a way to blame this on Bush.


So, you got nothing then?
 
2013-09-05 09:50:46 AM  

Sybarite: God forbid they follow the wishes of a clear majority of their constituents.


Why do their constituents hate America/are racist?

Outrageous Muff: OMG! Liberals are split on foreign policy! This is not a repeat of every issue since 1875.


Isn't it sad that it's shocking when politicians don't mindlessly toe the party line?  It's refreshing to see both the Dems and Republicans internally split on this issue.
 
2013-09-05 09:51:11 AM  
This is a war not only against Syria  but against the common sense of the American people who by in large oppose this intervention by a wide margin.  The rich elites are backing this war therefore I favor a special one time tax war surcharge on the top 1% wealthiest (net worth) to pay for it.  Lets start with the Forbes richest list.

If we tax their net wealth at 1% we will raise enough to pay for this coming war.  If the war lingers on we can adjust it upward as necessary.  Gates, Buffett, Oprah, Koch, Bloomberg please pull out the checkbooks.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/
 
2013-09-05 09:52:44 AM  

Headso: Outrageous Muff: coeyagi: Please step away from the Kobayashu Maru test.  There is nothing to see here.

International Relations is a constant game of no-wins. Welcome to the real world.

The best and most merkin thing to do in a no win situation like this is to give as much money as possible to military contractors. Worked in Iraq, only 80 people were aspoled there last week.


Still safer than about half the American cities
 
2013-09-05 09:57:19 AM  
Serious Question for Republicans:

I was listening to NPR (it's a radio network, kind of like Fox news only it lets Liberals talk, too) and they played audio from a Town Hall meeting in Thomasville, Georgia. The local Congressional rep (a Tea Party member) was answering questions from the crowd, and one question asked about Syria.

He answered that he would not support a resolution to use force in Syria. Ok, that's fair enough, as I'm not sure I support it either. In fact I'm leaning toward no. Then he said "as said as what happened is, we can't get involved every time a situation breaks out in the world." I was actually impressed, as that's how I feel as well and he at least pretended to have empathy, which is more than most Tea Party folks can manage. I though "he doesn't sound so bad."

The he went off the rails and said that of course, if we received intelligence that those chemical weapons had fallen in to the hands of Hamas for use against Israel, we'd have to take action. (I might not remember the exact words but that's the gist of his comment). Why would that be worse then using the same weapons against kids in Syria?
 
2013-09-05 09:57:23 AM  

sendtodave: Outrageous Muff: OMG! Liberals are split on foreign policy! This is not a repeat of every issue since 1875.

I'm hoping liberals aren't. Democrats are, though, obviously.


This. Calling Democrats liberal is like calling a big wheel a car
 
2013-09-05 09:58:53 AM  
I'm the libbiest, that ever libbed a lib, but I support action in Syria. I believe in punishing nations that flout international law. We launch some attacks, blow some crap up, and get out. It's a punitive action, nothing more.
 
2013-09-05 10:02:06 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Serious Question for Republicans:

I was listening to NPR (it's a radio network, kind of like Fox news only it lets Liberals talk, too) and they played audio from a Town Hall meeting in Thomasville, Georgia. The local Congressional rep (a Tea Party member) was answering questions from the crowd, and one question asked about Syria.

He answered that he would not support a resolution to use force in Syria. Ok, that's fair enough, as I'm not sure I support it either. In fact I'm leaning toward no. Then he said "as said as what happened is, we can't get involved every time a situation breaks out in the world." I was actually impressed, as that's how I feel as well and he at least pretended to have empathy, which is more than most Tea Party folks can manage. I though "he doesn't sound so bad."

The he went off the rails and said that of course, if we received intelligence that those chemical weapons had fallen in to the hands of Hamas for use against Israel, we'd have to take action. (I might not remember the exact words but that's the gist of his comment). Why would that be worse then using the same weapons against kids in Syria?


In the light most favorable to the Representative - because that would be an act of war between two countries, and one of the countries is our ally.
In the light least favorable to the Representative - because 90+% of Syrians are Muslims and Israel is the the Holy Land populated by the chosen people.
 
2013-09-05 10:10:21 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Serious Question for Republicans:

I was listening to NPR (it's a radio network, kind of like Fox news only it lets Liberals talk, too) and they played audio from a Town Hall meeting in Thomasville, Georgia. The local Congressional rep (a Tea Party member) was answering questions from the crowd, and one question asked about Syria.

He answered that he would not support a resolution to use force in Syria. Ok, that's fair enough, as I'm not sure I support it either. In fact I'm leaning toward no. Then he said "as said as what happened is, we can't get involved every time a situation breaks out in the world." I was actually impressed, as that's how I feel as well and he at least pretended to have empathy, which is more than most Tea Party folks can manage. I though "he doesn't sound so bad."

The he went off the rails and said that of course, if we received intelligence that those chemical weapons had fallen in to the hands of Hamas for use against Israel, we'd have to take action. (I might not remember the exact words but that's the gist of his comment). Why would that be worse then using the same weapons against kids in Syria?


I'll try to answer this one for you, even though I'm not a republican, I'm just a GOP shill.

Ya see, Hamas are terrorists who frequently try to attack Israel. In fact, Hamas wants to abolish the entire nation of Israel and turn it all into a greater Palestine. That's not the same as a civil war between two factions in one nation one side of which is being supported by terrorists and al-Qaida.
 
2013-09-05 10:12:21 AM  

Aristocles: I'm not a republican


funny how nobody will admit to it
 
2013-09-05 10:15:18 AM  
god damned liberals, marching in lockstep to the drum of Dear Leader
 
2013-09-05 10:21:09 AM  

paganj: I'm the libbiest, that ever libbed a lib, but I support action in Syria. I believe in punishing nations that flout international law. We launch some attacks, blow some crap up, and get out. It's a punitive action, nothing more.


I'd like to see those attacks actually aimed at destroying their ability to fire more CW attacks, but that's just me.
 
2013-09-05 10:21:32 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: I bet the Nobel committee is kicking themselves about now.

I'm sure the libs will find a way to blame this on Bush.


Well, the undeniable reality is that the public is responding to Syria based almost entirely on Bush's Iraq cl*sterf*ck. But there's no reason for you to take undeniable reality into consideration when you post here.
 
2013-09-05 10:25:44 AM  

someonelse: SpankMeJohnny: I bet the Nobel committee is kicking themselves about now.

I'm sure the libs will find a way to blame this on Bush.

Well, the undeniable reality is that the public is responding to Syria based almost entirely on Bush's Iraq cl*sterf*ck. But there's no reason for you to take undeniable reality into consideration when you post here.


Ho Ho! You just couldn't help yourself, could ya!?

I bet after Obama drags us into an illegal war and tens if not hundreds of thousands die due to his actions, you'll blame that on Bush too!

Give it up, Farklibs, this is Obama's War... Own It!
 
2013-09-05 10:28:36 AM  

coeyagi: SpankMeJohnny: I bet the Nobel committee is kicking themselves about now.

I'm sure the libs will find a way to blame this on Bush.

So, you got nothing then?


How dare you call his new alt 'nothing'.
 
2013-09-05 10:41:46 AM  

Headso: Aristocles: I'm not a republican

funny how nobody will admit to it


I'm a registered Republican. But that's as far as it goes now. I guess I'm technically a RINO.
 
2013-09-05 10:43:37 AM  
He'll do something cause it's all an international dick waving contest at this point, I'd still like the official results to come out from the UN though before anything is done.

I agree the chemical weapons thing is bad, but, how would we or any other country feel if some other countries got involved in our civil war?
 
2013-09-05 10:44:47 AM  
The Why Not Guy:   if we received intelligence that those chemical weapons had fallen in to the hands of Hamas for use against Israel, we'd have to take action. (I might not remember the exact words but that's the gist of his comment). Why would that be worse then using the same weapons against kids in Syria?

The answer you want to hear?

The Israeli kids are truly innocents.  The Syrian kids, on the other hand, need to be punished for having Arab/Muslim a/k/a obviously wicked parents.

The real answer?

Because most people still believe that within your own borders you have some degree of autonomy, and sovereign nations remain reluctant to change that, for obvious reasons.

Personally, I agree with the President, you lose that autonomy when you start gassing your own.
 
2013-09-05 10:49:22 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The Why Not Guy:   if we received intelligence that those chemical weapons had fallen in to the hands of Hamas for use against Israel, we'd have to take action. (I might not remember the exact words but that's the gist of his comment). Why would that be worse then using the same weapons against kids in Syria?

The answer you want to hear?

The Israeli kids are truly innocents.  The Syrian kids, on the other hand, need to be punished for having Arab/Muslim a/k/a obviously wicked parents.

The real answer?

Because most people still believe that within your own borders you have some degree of autonomy, and sovereign nations remain reluctant to change that, for obvious reasons.

Personally, I agree with the President, you lose that autonomy when you start gassing your own.


But do we really know who gassed whom? It seems too soon to rush into another dispute in the me with scanty evidence.
 
2013-09-05 10:50:25 AM  

KellyX: He'll do something cause it's all an international dick waving contest at this point, I'd still like the official results to come out from the UN though before anything is done.

I agree the chemical weapons thing is bad, but, how would we or any other country feel if some other countries got involved in our civil war?


Considering how diplomats on both sides of our Civil War tried for the entire War to get the European Powers to intervene one way or the other, I'd guess that they'd say..."And?"
 
2013-09-05 10:52:35 AM  

Infernalist: KellyX: He'll do something cause it's all an international dick waving contest at this point, I'd still like the official results to come out from the UN though before anything is done.

I agree the chemical weapons thing is bad, but, how would we or any other country feel if some other countries got involved in our civil war?

Considering how diplomats on both sides of our Civil War tried for the entire War to get the European Powers to intervene one way or the other, I'd guess that they'd say..."And?"


And none formally did, but if you back the losing side, the winning side usually frowns on relations with you for a long time.
 
2013-09-05 10:55:41 AM  

Aristocles: Zeb Hesselgresser:

Personally, I agree with the President, you lose that autonomy when you start gassing your own.

But do we really know who gassed whom? It seems too soon to rush into another dispute in the me with scanty evidence.


No doubt.  I'm under the impression that the guys making the decisions have access to information that I'm not privy to; and  I still have a dwindling amount of faith that they'll make good use of it.

Good judgement, where the fark did it all go.
 
2013-09-05 10:56:01 AM  

KellyX: Infernalist: KellyX: He'll do something cause it's all an international dick waving contest at this point, I'd still like the official results to come out from the UN though before anything is done.

I agree the chemical weapons thing is bad, but, how would we or any other country feel if some other countries got involved in our civil war?

Considering how diplomats on both sides of our Civil War tried for the entire War to get the European Powers to intervene one way or the other, I'd guess that they'd say..."And?"

And none formally did, but if you back the losing side, the winning side usually frowns on relations with you for a long time.


None of them did, but only because neither side was exactly seen in a good light by the European Powers.  Doesn't 'that' sound familiar.
 
2013-09-05 11:00:02 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Aristocles: Zeb Hesselgresser:

Personally, I agree with the President, you lose that autonomy when you start gassing your own.

But do we really know who gassed whom? It seems too soon to rush into another dispute in the me with scanty evidence.

No doubt.  I'm under the impression that the guys making the decisions have access to information that I'm not privy to; and  I still have a dwindling amount of faith that they'll make good use of it.

Good judgement, where the fark did it all go.


I don't know. However, it would be foolish not to learn from past mistakes. Remember when Obama-supporter Colin Powell told us all about the evidence that Saddam had obtained yellowcake? Even that turned out to be bogus. So far I've seen all of zero evidence that Assad used CW.
 
2013-09-05 11:00:16 AM  

daveUSMC: Headso: Aristocles: I'm not a republican

funny how nobody will admit to it

I'm a registered Republican. But that's as far as it goes now. I guess I'm technically a RINO.


In fairness, I was a Republican for many years, but the party has gone off the rails, and I have little hope that the party is going to get back on track. I voted in the last Primary and then the next day I changed my party affiliation. I tried to keep Romney off the docket, but that hasn't exactly worked overly well. The party chose Bush over McCain, at least McCain got on the ticket in 2008, but he lost my vote when he lost his sh*t in the campaign. The party is in deep denial about the condition of the nation, and our position overseas. I had hopes that saner folks could regain control of the party, but the NeoCons and the Religious Right have their hands firmly on the tiller, and I have no real faith that they're going anywhere soon. There are still good folks in the party, and more than a few good folks in office, but the platform that they support, and the laws that they've introduced and keep bringing up. I'm still fair Conservative, but that means support of the GOP in their current state--with some exceptions at the local level--is, simply put, not really an option, because the radicals have taken the reins, and aren't really letting go.
 
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