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(Politico)   "Burn your Obamacare card" Wait, we get cards with this? Hot damn, I didn't realize I got to be a card-carrying member of socialisms   (politico.com) divider line 119
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2013-09-05 07:59:59 AM  
I think we struck a nerve. Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, this oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly appears to be the Achilles Heel of the new, insanely authoritarian progressive movement.

Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.
 
2013-09-05 08:02:26 AM  
They were supposed to issue the cards by the 3rd quarter of 2013 but it's been modestly postponed to 3813, just like the exchanges.
 
2013-09-05 08:04:14 AM  
"The Affordable Care Act requires plans and issuers that offer dependent coverage to make the coverage available until a child reaches the age of 26. Both married and unmarried children qualify for this coverage. This rule applies to all plans in the individual market and to new employer plans. It also applies to existing employer plans unless the adult child has another offer of employer-based coverage (such as through his or her job). Beginning in 2014, children up to age 26 can stay on their parent's employer plan even if they have another offer of coverage through an employer."
 
2013-09-05 08:06:30 AM  

Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.


you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative
 
2013-09-05 08:15:34 AM  
Socialism?  Regressive tax?

This will be entertaining.
 
2013-09-05 08:16:21 AM  

somedude210: Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative


You forgot the ACLU.
 
2013-09-05 08:17:28 AM  
Screw the cards! I can't wait until they implant my ass with one of those "mark of the beast" RFID chips!
Oh yeah baby!
 
2013-09-05 08:19:00 AM  

EvilEgg: You forgot the ACLU.


they don't have cards, they have pocket constitutions
 
2013-09-05 08:20:35 AM  
I demand that my preexisting conditions no longer be covered!

And bring back my benefits cap!
 
2013-09-05 08:22:47 AM  
So the individual mandate is wealth distribution from the young and poor to the old and wealthy? It's too early for me to wrap my head around that kind of stupid. The entire point TFA article is trying to make falls apart when you consider that parents can keep their sprog covered until they are 26. Let's not forget the subsidies either.


/will enjoy the tax benefit of keeping his daughter on his insurance while she goes to college.
 
2013-09-05 08:47:58 AM  
I can't wait to see how the GOP's latest strategy of "vilify the elderly" works out for them.
 
2013-09-05 08:52:47 AM  
Subby, you must not be part of the Inner Circle, I got my ObamaCare card in January along with a lovely pair of jackboots and a "Death to America!" bumper sticker.
 
2013-09-05 08:54:11 AM  
Sounds like old people just made The List.
 
2013-09-05 08:54:15 AM  

EvilEgg: somedude210: Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative

You forgot the ACLU.


AND ACORN!
 
2013-09-05 08:54:25 AM  
"....an incredibly regressive tax imposed on young healthy people that forces them to buy health-insurance plans that they can't afford and don't need, or pay a fine."

They're right.  Young people don't need health insurance.  Hell, I've paid for my car insurance all these years and haven't needed thus far.  Of course, if I run someone down while texting and driving and the family sues me for $1 million, I might change my tune.

/Republicans are embarrassing to this country
 
2013-09-05 08:54:33 AM  
I can't wait to get my card. Not having to be dependent on corporate whims of employers for what they consider "healthcare benefits" will be nice.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:27 AM  
Well off to have some high quality professional look OBAMA care cards made so I can begin selling them to the rubes.

Do you think a larger 8x11 contract looking document would sell well, if I put it big bold letters at the top

OBAMA CARE

And then filled the rest with the BS talking points, you know, death panels and the like, forcing gay marriage etc...

Maybe have them printed on flash paper...
 
2013-09-05 08:59:12 AM  
Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign...

Goddamn it. This is the first I'm even hearing of this. Did I already miss the blood orgy? Where was it, Al Gore's house this time?
 
2013-09-05 08:59:38 AM  

somedude210: Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative


They think you're a righteous dude
www.quotesworthrepeating.com
 
2013-09-05 08:59:42 AM  
Y'know, for some reason I feel like this thread, like many in the Politics Tab, is like those old Looney Toons shorts with Ralph the Wolf and Sam the Sheepdog. So far all the libby libtards are present and accounted for, now we just have to wait for the Usual Suspects to punch in and start herpaderping.
 
2013-09-05 09:00:20 AM  
Politico sounds concerned.

Why won't these young, stupid, uninsured college kids get on board with our plan to repeal the law that gives them access to healthcare?
 
2013-09-05 09:05:42 AM  
But I thot cards is racist and disenfranchisement?
 
2013-09-05 09:05:48 AM  
Your blog sucks?
 
2013-09-05 09:06:19 AM  
FTFA: Matt Kibbe is president of FreedomWorks

Well that wasn't very nice, waiting until the end of the article to tell us we shouldn't bother reading it.
 
2013-09-05 09:08:08 AM  
Hey TeaBaggers! If you really want to show the world you want to opt out of the system, Burn Your Social Security Card!
 
2013-09-05 09:09:46 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I thot cards is racist and disenfranchisement?


theorellior: Y'know, for some reason I feel like this thread, like many in the Politics Tab, is like those old Looney Toons shorts with Ralph the Wolf and Sam the Sheepdog. So far all the libby libtards are present and accounted for, now we just have to wait for the Usual Suspects to punch in and start herpaderping.



Hello Ralph.
Hello Sam.
 
2013-09-05 09:10:16 AM  
I would have thought that the individual mandate would have united civil and economic libertarians - anyone with a sense of fairness - against the insider trading of the political class in Washington.

But they came up with it and advocated for it for years. The GOP just ran a candidate for president that made it law when he was governor. And and...well yeah.
 
2013-09-05 09:10:20 AM  

Mentat: I think we struck a nerve. Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, this oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly appears to be the Achilles Heel of the new, insanely authoritarian progressive movement.

Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.


In other words, it's like the guy who yells "LOL I TROLLED YOU!" when you call him a moron for saying something ignorant. Supporters of the healthcare law weren't ticked off by your protest, they were mocking you for having an arts and crafts project to make fake cards to burn as if burning them has any personal ramifications like burning your draft card did.

The only thing that bugs me about the behavior is they are telling the people least familiar with purchasing healthcare these things. Just paying the fine sounds so much simpler and shows you're fighting the man, but the second one of these 20-something year old protestors is diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in Spring and say "well I'll just buy health insurance now" they will learn about something called open enrollment periods. The worst part is that I bet you that people will honestly claim Obamacare created open enrollment periods to punish protestors.
 
2013-09-05 09:12:03 AM  

somedude210: Mentat: Well, this should be an enlightening discussion.

you say that like we won't. I, personally, can't wait to be a card-carrying Obamacare recipient, as well as a card-carrying NRA member, communist, socialist, nazi, klan member, NAACP member, Nazi-commie, liberal, progressive and staunch fiscal conservative


You're going to need a bigger wallet.
 
2013-09-05 09:12:33 AM  
The Obamacard:  don't get sick without it.
 
2013-09-05 09:12:35 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I thot cards is racist and disenfranchisement?


Bless your heart.
 
2013-09-05 09:14:15 AM  
I think we struck a nerve. Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign,

[citation needed]
 
2013-09-05 09:15:22 AM  

Glenford: You're going to need a bigger wallet.


www.muleskinner.ca

what are you talking about? It's fine! :-D
 
2013-09-05 09:17:26 AM  

Via Infinito: Screw the cards! I can't wait until they implant my ass with one of those "mark of the beast" RFID chips!
Oh yeah baby!


I still have my smallpox vaccination scar.
 
2013-09-05 09:21:51 AM  

DubyaHater: "....an incredibly regressive tax imposed on young healthy people that forces them to buy health-insurance plans that they can't afford and don't need, or pay a fine."

They're right.  Young people don't need health insurance.  Hell, I've paid for my car insurance all these years and haven't needed thus far.  Of course, if I run someone down while texting and driving and the family sues me for $1 million, I might change my tune.

/Republicans are embarrassing to this country


Not to mention the individual mandate was one of the things Republicans wanted in there so they'd vote for the thing.
 
2013-09-05 09:24:53 AM  
Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."
 
2013-09-05 09:30:51 AM  
FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

farm4.staticflickr.com


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.
 
2013-09-05 09:35:55 AM  

pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.



Yes, I know.  The author mentioned childless.  Of course, he also failed to note that it takes only 1 denied birth control prescription or one screwed up "just pull out at the last second, honey" for that to be off the table.
 
2013-09-05 09:36:21 AM  

Bloody William: Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."


Neddy doesn't believe in health insurance. He considers it a form of gambling.
 
2013-09-05 09:43:48 AM  

theorellior: Subby, you must not be part of the Inner Circle, I got my ObamaCare card in January along with a lovely pair of jackboots and a "Death to America!" bumper sticker.


I never got my bumper sticker. I got a nice bar towel though.
 
2013-09-05 09:43:53 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I thot cards is racist and disenfranchisement?


If they are, that would really help explain why FreedomWorks made them up.
 
2013-09-05 09:44:11 AM  
Just get out your crayons and a 3" x 5" card and write "I'm an idiot" on it. Everyone will know you are an Obama supporter.
 
2013-09-05 09:52:52 AM  

what_now: Bloody William: Without overcharging young people, the Obamacare exchanges set to begin on Oct. 1 simply won't work. Neither will the Obamacare-compliant mandated insurance packages being offered by private companies.

Um... that's the point. Young people are "overcharged" based on their medical needs so older citizens, who require much more care, are charged less when they have more difficulty affording it. It's kind of the idea behind insurance, broadening the risk pool to provide a consistency of care when it is needed. Anyone who has health insurance but doesn't get sick for a year is "overcharged."

Neddy doesn't believe in health insurance. He considers it a form of gambling.


NOT having health insurance is gambling. Or I guess if you have really shiatty health insurance that doesn't cover anything, that's also gambling.
 
2013-09-05 10:06:48 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Lt. Cheese Weasel: But I thot cards is racist and disenfranchisement?

If they are, that would really help explain why FreedomWorks made them up.


Ha!
 
2013-09-05 10:07:39 AM  
Seems that Part 2 of this story isn't getting traction.  To think, I popped popcorn and everything.
 
2013-09-05 10:11:21 AM  
Encouraging people not to get insurance and burning non-existent cards yet calling people "hysterical" when they point out you're being idiots. This editorial is a black hole of irony.
 
2013-09-05 10:12:19 AM  
Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?
 
2013-09-05 10:13:54 AM  
I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.
 
2013-09-05 10:16:54 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: Just get out your crayons and a 3" x 5" card and write "I'm an idiot" on it. Everyone will know you are an Obama supporter.


Unless you spell it wrong, in which case everyone will know you are a teabagger.
 
2013-09-05 10:19:29 AM  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Seems that Part 2 of this story isn't getting traction.  To think, I popped popcorn and everything.


The TeaDerps have a Part 2 to their Scab King inspired, "let Obama be the President of Ashes and Bones" plan?  Other than promoting a tax writeoff that takes healthy people out of the insurance risk pool and in no way covers major medical expenses and letting snake insurance salesmen jump back and forth across state lines to avoid all those pesky regulations?
 
2013-09-05 10:25:03 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: Just get out your crayons and a 3" x 5" card and write "I'm an idiot" on it. Everyone will know you are an Obama supporter.


You created an account today to say this?
 
2013-09-05 10:25:22 AM  

Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?


How about you lay off the gin at 10am?
 
2013-09-05 10:28:20 AM  
Seriously, I'd like to know whose brilliant mind came up with the idea. "Hey, I know. We'll make up fake Obamacare cards that have no significance to the program whatsoever, and then we'll burn them! It'll piss those libs off but good!"
 
2013-09-05 10:29:59 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, I'd like to know whose brilliant mind came up with the idea. "Hey, I know. We'll make up fake Obamacare cards that have no significance to the program whatsoever, and then we'll burn them! It'll piss those libs off but good!"


"The libs called our idea stupid! It worked!"
 
2013-09-05 10:36:27 AM  
I would love to have insurance that only cost $147/month, even back when I was 30 (15ish years ago). I got my first kidney stone that year. My insurance that was more than $147/month left me with a bill of around $2K. The total "bill" was over $20K. If the guy in the story got one of those he'd be thankful for only having to pay the $6K deductible.

Also, was anyone else waiting for the punch line in this? I read about half way through before I realized that it probably wasn't going to be satire.
 
2013-09-05 10:36:58 AM  

sammyk: So the individual mandate is wealth distribution from the young and poor to the old and wealthy? It's too early for me to wrap my head around that kind of stupid. The entire point TFA article is trying to make falls apart when you consider that parents can keep their sprog covered until they are 26. Let's not forget the subsidies either.


/will enjoy the tax benefit of keeping his daughter on his insurance while she goes to college.


Young and healthy people don't need any coverage because they can't get injured or fall ill. That only happens to old people, duh.
 
2013-09-05 10:38:30 AM  

zoompow: I would love to have insurance that only cost $147/month, even back when I was 30 (15ish years ago). I got my first kidney stone that year. My insurance that was more than $147/month left me with a bill of around $2K. The total "bill" was over $20K. If the guy in the story got one of those he'd be thankful for only having to pay the $6K deductible.

Also, was anyone else waiting for the punch line in this? I read about half way through before I realized that it probably wasn't going to be satire.


It's Politico. They're fairly derpy almost all the time, so I take Poe's law into consideration when reading it.
 
2013-09-05 10:39:36 AM  

theorellior: Subby, you must not be part of the Inner Circle, I got my ObamaCare card in January along with a lovely pair of jackboots and a "Death to America!" bumper sticker.


did you get the phone? if not obama hates you and you are probably white.

TFC
 
2013-09-05 10:44:51 AM  
Sure, why not, let's tell people they get Obamacare cards. Hell, 44% of Americans think the ACA has been repealed.  As a society, we're farktards
 
2013-09-05 10:45:01 AM  
1) the reason burning draft card was an effective protest was that it was novel and carried significant personal risk for the protestor. It meant something. Making phony cards just to burn in some sort of choreographed media event is just sad and pathetic.
2) How out of touch are these people that they thought calling back something that happened almost half a century ago would really appeal to today's youth?
 
2013-09-05 10:45:20 AM  
Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, this oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly appears to be the Achilles Heel of the new, insanely authoritarian progressive movement.

It is impossible to overreact to you and your comrades goose-stepping around the country and begging kids to turn themselves into martyrs for your cause, Matt Kibbe.
 
2013-09-05 10:46:06 AM  
a.abcnews.go.com

Yup...farking hipster Teatard loves to suck Koch.
 
2013-09-05 10:48:28 AM  

VictoryCabal: 1) the reason burning draft card was an effective protest was that it was novel and carried significant personal risk for the protestor. It meant something. Making phony cards just to burn in some sort of choreographed media event is just sad and pathetic.
2) How out of touch are these people that they thought calling back something that happened almost half a century ago would really appeal to today's youth?


The sad part is when you got invited to "burn one" only to find out they were talking about those cards.
 
2013-09-05 10:50:09 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: Just get out your crayons and a 3" x 5" card and write "I'm an idiot" on it. Everyone will know you are an Obama supporter.


Step up your game. You're currently third string amongst even the lamest Fark troll accounts.
 
2013-09-05 10:54:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, I'd like to know whose brilliant mind came up with the idea. "Hey, I know. We'll make up fake Obamacare cards that have no significance to the program whatsoever, and then we'll burn them! It'll piss those libs off but good!"


As I'm sure you're aware, a majority of the Republican platform is centered on "pissing off the libs."  They can't even hold a conversation with someone they "know" is a "lib" without falling into this.  It's all they have.
 
2013-09-05 10:54:50 AM  
 
2013-09-05 11:06:28 AM  
But seriously, though, we need to get some Obamacare cards made up. I'd like to show it to my conservative relatives to watch their heads explode.
 
2013-09-05 11:15:50 AM  
Anyone caught burning their government issues card should be sent to jail assuming they don't get caught on their way to Canada. Unpatriotic traitors the lot of em.
 
2013-09-05 11:16:16 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, I'd like to know whose brilliant mind came up with the idea. "Hey, I know. We'll make up fake Obamacare cards that have no significance to the program whatsoever, and then we'll burn them! It'll piss those libs off but good!"


Someone invested in the card-printing industry?
 
2013-09-05 11:17:43 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: Just get out your crayons and a 3" x 5" card and write "I'm an idiot" on it. Everyone will know you are an Obama supporter.


But what if I don't want to fold the card? 3" x 5" is a bit big for the wallet.
 
2013-09-05 11:20:53 AM  

Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?


So anyone that refuses to enroll can't vote?

Sure, let's get on it.
 
2013-09-05 11:23:22 AM  

nocturnal001: Anyone caught burning their government issues card should be sent to jail assuming they don't get caught on their way to Canada. Unpatriotic traitors the lot of em.


It's a good thing there are no government issued cards involved in this story, then.
 
2013-09-05 11:29:09 AM  
They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.
 
2013-09-05 11:35:08 AM  

DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.


Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

cdn-media.nationaljournal.com
 
2013-09-05 11:35:40 AM  

thurstonxhowell: nocturnal001: Anyone caught burning their government issues card should be sent to jail assuming they don't get caught on their way to Canada. Unpatriotic traitors the lot of em.

It's a good thing there are no government issued cards involved in this story, then.


Fortunately this has zero impact on my tongue in cheek post.
 
2013-09-05 11:52:26 AM  

MBrady: ahh..yes the benefits cap...and welcome to the world of higher premiums, higher paycheck deductions, and higher copays.  oh, and you thought that your employer was going to pick up that tab, didn't you.


Oh yeah, all that stuff that was going to happen worse anyway.

Mine is, by the way. Maybe you should bootstrap your way into a better job.
 
2013-09-05 12:01:06 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.


Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times, if the sucker has insurance.
 
2013-09-05 12:03:18 PM  
Let's be honest about what the Republicans want: Repeal EMTALA and make medical debts immune to bankruptcy like student loans.
 
Bf+
2013-09-05 12:04:03 PM  

DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.


This.  Fixed it for the author:
"Judging from the left's hysterical overreaction to FreedomWorks' "Burn Your Obamacare Card" campaign, "

/Skip to 2:32
//Be careful though, cause if you burn yourself, you won't have insurance.
 
2013-09-05 12:09:18 PM  
I'm not burning anything. Three more punches on my Obamacare card and I get a free abortion.
 
2013-09-05 12:12:11 PM  

theorellior: Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times, if the sucker has insurance.


The insurance company doesn't pay the billed price.
 
2013-09-05 12:12:58 PM  

Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?


Broken English. Failure to understand that there is no actual card. You are really hitting the marks here. Did you ever consider perhaps not demonstrating your complete and total ignorance of the issues?
 
2013-09-05 12:13:42 PM  

Stile4aly: Let's be honest about what the Republicans want: Repeal EMTALA and make medical debts immune to bankruptcy like student loans.


I enjoy gettin' my hate on as much as the next guy, but that's probably a bit of a stretch.
 
2013-09-05 12:15:09 PM  

Via Infinito: Screw the cards! I can't wait until they implant my ass with one of those "mark of the beast" RFID chips!
Oh yeah baby!


Some say it'll be a bar code tatoo....(the fundies have been wigging over this for some decades now).

http://www.bilderberg.org/shengen.htm
http://www.nationwidebarcode.com/are-barcodes-the-mark-of-the-beast/
http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-05 12:17:05 PM  

MBrady: Nah, I'm close enough to retirement that I'll just have you and all the other libs here pay for everything.  I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

suck it.


Man, it must suck to be old and grumpy.
 
2013-09-05 12:18:19 PM  
The ACA is an "oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly" in the same way that all forms of insurance are an oppressive transfer of wealth from the lucky to the unlucky.

These people screamed and screamed for decades demanding a "free market" solution that didn't cut the multi-billion-dollar insurance industry middlemen out of the action and now that they've actually got it, what's the f*cking issue?
 
2013-09-05 12:21:19 PM  

pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.


dafuq you talking about? The author said "childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34."

Remember, kiddo, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant info.
 
2013-09-05 12:23:02 PM  

MBrady: incendi: MBrady: ahh..yes the benefits cap...and welcome to the world of higher premiums, higher paycheck deductions, and higher copays.  oh, and you thought that your employer was going to pick up that tab, didn't you.

Oh yeah, all that stuff that was going to happen worse anyway.

Mine is, by the way. Maybe you should bootstrap your way into a better job.

really now.  even the Time magazine article said different. but who am I to disagree with a know-it-all lib who thinks the world of 0.

Nah, I'm close enough to retirement that I'll just have you and all the other libs here pay for everything.  I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

suck it.


I hate to break it to you, but "libs" do not get upset that someone receives social security. In fact most "libs" would be pretty happy with that situation. I not sure why you would believe that you using a program that the "libs" are completely in favor of you having the ability to use would somehow be offensive.
 
2013-09-05 12:23:27 PM  

MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.


What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.
 
2013-09-05 12:24:43 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.


When I first got married back in the 80's my wife got BCBS insurance through her employer. There was a 90 day waiting period, except for emergencies. One day she went blind in one eye (we later learned it was the first signs of MS). The doctor ordered a CATscan, which didn't find anything at the time.

Well, a bill for $3,000 came in the mail. She had gone in for the procedure one day before her coverage kicked in. The insurance company determined that suddenly going blind was not an emergency and refused to pay. For the next two years I ignored dunning letters and calls, first from the hospital, then from the collection agency they sold the debt to. One day the guy called and said "Look, just send us $300 and we'll call it even." "You got it!" I yelled and that was that.
 
2013-09-05 12:25:13 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.


Confusion is a known symptom of old
 
2013-09-05 12:25:53 PM  

Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]


Uh oh! With most folks at 50/50 or less, the democrats and Obama are going to have a tough time with this!

LOL!
 
2013-09-05 12:26:19 PM  

sabreWulf07: The ACA is an "oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly" in the same way that all forms of insurance are an oppressive transfer of wealth from the lucky to the unlucky.

These people screamed and screamed for decades demanding a "free market" solution that didn't cut the multi-billion-dollar insurance industry middlemen out of the action and now that they've actually got it, what's the f*cking issue?


You misunderstand. They want insurance companies to be able to operate like they used to be able to in some states, where they can permanently exclude you from ever getting coverage for a pre-existing condition that is dozens of years old.
 
2013-09-05 12:26:32 PM  

Aristocles: pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

dafuq you talking about? The author said "childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34."

Remember, kiddo, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant info.


Doctor, heal thyself.

Here, I'll quote the relevant part since you seem to have missed it "or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater".  The sad part for you is, you probably weren't speed reading and you still failed to comprehend the words right in front of your face.
 
2013-09-05 12:29:30 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.


CPennypacker: Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.

Confusion is a known symptom of old


Wow. Ageism.

"Progressive," indeed.
 
2013-09-05 12:31:20 PM  

Aristocles: Wow. Ageism.

"Progressive," indeed.


Why'd you leave me out? I called him old first!
 
2013-09-05 12:33:46 PM  

Thrag: Aristocles: pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

dafuq you talking about? The author said "childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34."

Remember, kiddo, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant info.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Here, I'll quote the relevant part since you seem to have missed it "or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater".  The sad part for you is, you probably weren't speed reading and you still failed to comprehend the words right in front of your face.


Actually, both parts were relevant. Why would I even mention the 1% of income? It had nothing to do with my calling out the commenter throwing stones while living in a glass house.
 
2013-09-05 12:36:15 PM  

incendi: Aristocles: Wow. Ageism.

"Progressive," indeed.

Why'd you leave me out? I called him old first!


Because I have you "favorited" in Virginia Red.
 
2013-09-05 12:46:44 PM  
It sucks to be us because you're going to retire.  Again, this makes no sense.  But what do I expect from a guy that's typing "lol" in his own posts?
 
2013-09-05 12:55:19 PM  

MBrady: incendi: MBrady: Nah, I'm close enough to retirement that I'll just have you and all the other libs here pay for everything.  I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

suck it.

Man, it must suck to be old and grumpy.

oh..boo hoo.  are you cranky because you didn't make chief fry cook yet? 

old?  who is old?  I'm close enough to retirement that I can see it.  you must have so far to go that any web site you go to can't even predict what century would be a good time for you to retire.  lol.

grumpy?  why would I be grumpy?   my wife and I have a good life, have everything we need, take great vacations, and are happy.

just get back to work there kiddie and keep working hard.  you might even get your social security...some day.

ha ha..sucks to be you


It's so cute to see how hard you are trying.
 
2013-09-05 12:57:28 PM  

thurstonxhowell: theorellior: Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times, if the sucker has insurance.

The insurance company doesn't pay the billed price.


True. Selling medical care is kind of like selling jewelry. They set the "retail price" at some insane, pulled out of their ass level, then offer the product at an UNBELIEVABLE 75% DISCOUNT IF YOU BUY TODAY. Only a complete moron would pay retail.
 
2013-09-05 01:02:30 PM  

Aristocles: Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.

CPennypacker: Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.

Confusion is a known symptom of old

Wow. Ageism.

"Progressive," indeed.


Who are you quoting with "progressive?" The voices in your head? I bet the voices have an echo
 
2013-09-05 01:16:00 PM  

patrick767: True. Selling medical care is kind of like selling jewelry. They set the "retail price" at some insane, pulled out of their ass level, then offer the product at an UNBELIEVABLE 75% DISCOUNT IF YOU BUY TODAY. Only a complete moron would pay retail.


I guess another difference would be that jewellery is a luxury item with that carries with it no harm if you don't buy it.  Medical care on the other hand is the opposite.

/The only reason they lower the price for people without insurance is so that the hospital will get something out of the rube... I mean patient...  instead of just getting some kind of communication indicating that the patient has declared bankruptcy.
 
2013-09-05 01:30:03 PM  

Aristocles: Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]

Uh oh! With most folks at 50/50 or less, the democrats and Obama are going to have a tough time with this!

LOL!


Don't know what you mean by "tough time".  Are you implying that no one is going to use it?
Looks to me like for people under 65(people over 65 have Medicare and wouldn't use it) around 30% of people are either certainly or very likely going to purchase it, and another 30% ARE 50/50.

That makes it extremely popular.  Maybe by "tough time" you mean they won't be able to keep up with demand.
 
2013-09-05 01:38:41 PM  

Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?


Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]


Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.
 
2013-09-05 01:43:09 PM  

Aristocles: pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

dafuq you talking about? The author said "childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34."

Remember, kiddo, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant info.


Somebody skipped the post immediately afterwards where I acknowledged that faux pas.  And as i also mentioned, pregnancy is 9 months and the insurance companies don't have to accept new applicants at any point in the year.  So you could still end up screwed (pardon the phrasing) if you decide to forgo the insurance unless you have some really, really good timing.
 
2013-09-05 01:45:36 PM  

theorellior: ExcedrinHeadache: I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.

Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times a lot of people who never pay their bill at the emergency room, if the sucker has insurance.


Fixed for anyone living in the real world and not some poorly designed fantasy Conservatives masturbate to
 
2013-09-05 01:51:10 PM  

unyon: Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?

Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]

Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.


Scribd is blocked for me, but you can look at the topline for the poll here to get the demographic breakdown.
 
2013-09-05 02:09:33 PM  

Aristocles: Because I have you "favorited" in Virginia Red.


Ah, fair enough. Surprising, though, I haven't been very active since you started making your rounds here. Out of curiousity, though, which red is Virginia Red? I don't think I've heard that term before.
 
2013-09-05 02:50:53 PM  

incendi: Aristocles: Because I have you "favorited" in Virginia Red.

Ah, fair enough. Surprising, though, I haven't been very active since you started making your rounds here. Out of curiousity, though, which red is Virginia Red? I don't think I've heard that term before.


It's Red 5 (I'm a little green/red color blind, so if it's too red I won't be able to read the comment), should be the Red of the Cardinal's brow, though.
 
2013-09-05 03:07:51 PM  
But, but, but I like my insurance card. ;.; And I was only able to even get approved for insurance after all this started.

/self insured
//young adult blue max
 
2013-09-05 04:29:36 PM  

Serious Black: unyon: Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?

Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]

Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.

Scribd is blocked for me, but you can look at the topline for the poll here to get the demographic breakdown.


I'm not talking about the polling methodology itself.  From the graph, exchange-based healthcare provision is far more popular in the younger demos, which makes sense- Older people are more likely to have either employer-based or receive services via medicare.  but what matters is the hard numbers- Exchanges work best if there is a broad pool of participants across ages and other factors.  If only 15% of older people end up in exchanges, but the hard number is similar to under-35 people in the exchanges, then the math works.  But if participation is skewed too heavily towards any demo, then you'll get distortions on the costs of service provision.

Anyways, I'm Canadian, so its only an intellectual exercise for me.  100% participation and single payer eliminates all of this goofy shiat, and the subsequent administrative overhead that accompanies it.
 
2013-09-05 04:41:05 PM  
All I got from this is that FreedomWorks is trying to save face after this idea became a national laughing stock.
 
2013-09-05 05:13:37 PM  

incendi: Stile4aly: Let's be honest about what the Republicans want: Repeal EMTALA and make medical debts immune to bankruptcy like student loans.

I enjoy gettin' my hate on as much as the next guy, but that's probably a bit of a stretch.


At this point, Republicans are rejecting the very concept of insurance as wealth redistribution.  There is nowhere left for them to go but cash-only medical treatment and that means you have to eliminate EMTALA.
 
2013-09-05 06:56:23 PM  

sabreWulf07: The ACA is an "oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly" in the same way that all forms of insurance are an oppressive transfer of wealth from the lucky to the unlucky.

These people screamed and screamed for decades demanding a "free market" solution that didn't cut the multi-billion-dollar insurance industry middlemen out of the action and now that they've actually got it, what's the f*cking issue?



encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-06 12:26:32 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: It sucks to be us because you're going to retire.  Again, this makes no sense.  But what do I expect from a guy that's typing "lol" in his own posts?


And by retire he means creating another alt.
 
2013-09-06 01:47:58 AM  
I thought it was racist to make people get an ID card?
 
2013-09-06 06:44:12 AM  
But if they burn their Obamacare cards then how will they be able to avoid being rounded up and put in a FEMA re-education camp?

I don't think they've studied this out.
 
2013-09-06 12:44:42 PM  

theorellior: Subby, you must not be part of the Inner Circle, I got my ObamaCare card in January along with a lovely pair of jackboots and a "Death to America!" bumper sticker.


I got an invitation to be on a death panel along with a list of elderly no longer of value to the country.
 
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