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(Politico)   "Burn your Obamacare card" Wait, we get cards with this? Hot damn, I didn't realize I got to be a card-carrying member of socialisms   (politico.com) divider line 122
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2013-09-05 12:40:55 PM

incendi: MBrady: Nah, I'm close enough to retirement that I'll just have you and all the other libs here pay for everything.  I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

suck it.

Man, it must suck to be old and grumpy.


oh..boo hoo.  are you cranky because you didn't make chief fry cook yet? 

old?  who is old?  I'm close enough to retirement that I can see it.  you must have so far to go that any web site you go to can't even predict what century would be a good time for you to retire.  lol.

grumpy?  why would I be grumpy?   my wife and I have a good life, have everything we need, take great vacations, and are happy.

just get back to work there kiddie and keep working hard.  you might even get your social security...some day.

ha ha..sucks to be you
 
2013-09-05 12:46:44 PM
It sucks to be us because you're going to retire.  Again, this makes no sense.  But what do I expect from a guy that's typing "lol" in his own posts?
 
2013-09-05 12:55:19 PM

MBrady: incendi: MBrady: Nah, I'm close enough to retirement that I'll just have you and all the other libs here pay for everything.  I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

suck it.

Man, it must suck to be old and grumpy.

oh..boo hoo.  are you cranky because you didn't make chief fry cook yet? 

old?  who is old?  I'm close enough to retirement that I can see it.  you must have so far to go that any web site you go to can't even predict what century would be a good time for you to retire.  lol.

grumpy?  why would I be grumpy?   my wife and I have a good life, have everything we need, take great vacations, and are happy.

just get back to work there kiddie and keep working hard.  you might even get your social security...some day.

ha ha..sucks to be you


It's so cute to see how hard you are trying.
 
2013-09-05 12:57:28 PM

thurstonxhowell: theorellior: Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times, if the sucker has insurance.

The insurance company doesn't pay the billed price.


True. Selling medical care is kind of like selling jewelry. They set the "retail price" at some insane, pulled out of their ass level, then offer the product at an UNBELIEVABLE 75% DISCOUNT IF YOU BUY TODAY. Only a complete moron would pay retail.
 
2013-09-05 01:02:30 PM

Aristocles: Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.

CPennypacker: Soup4Bonnie: MBrady: I've got almost 30 years with the same company, so with my pension, 401k, and my social security that you'll be paying into, my financial adviser says I'll be doing just fine.

What am I supposed to be "sucking it" over?  That fact that you planned for your inevitable retirement?  Do you think I'm paying for your 401K?  Do you think I don't want to contribute to SS?

You seem confused, codger.

Confusion is a known symptom of old

Wow. Ageism.

"Progressive," indeed.


Who are you quoting with "progressive?" The voices in your head? I bet the voices have an echo
 
2013-09-05 01:16:00 PM

patrick767: True. Selling medical care is kind of like selling jewelry. They set the "retail price" at some insane, pulled out of their ass level, then offer the product at an UNBELIEVABLE 75% DISCOUNT IF YOU BUY TODAY. Only a complete moron would pay retail.


I guess another difference would be that jewellery is a luxury item with that carries with it no harm if you don't buy it.  Medical care on the other hand is the opposite.

/The only reason they lower the price for people without insurance is so that the hospital will get something out of the rube... I mean patient...  instead of just getting some kind of communication indicating that the patient has declared bankruptcy.
 
2013-09-05 01:30:03 PM

Aristocles: Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

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Uh oh! With most folks at 50/50 or less, the democrats and Obama are going to have a tough time with this!

LOL!


Don't know what you mean by "tough time".  Are you implying that no one is going to use it?
Looks to me like for people under 65(people over 65 have Medicare and wouldn't use it) around 30% of people are either certainly or very likely going to purchase it, and another 30% ARE 50/50.

That makes it extremely popular.  Maybe by "tough time" you mean they won't be able to keep up with demand.
 
2013-09-05 01:38:41 PM

Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?


Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]


Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.
 
2013-09-05 01:43:09 PM

Aristocles: pueblonative: FTA:   A National Center for Public Policy Research study recently revealed that single, childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 could save at least $500 by opting out of Obamacare and paying the $95 individual mandate penalty instead.

Author:
"The penalty is $95. . ."

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"per adult and $47.50 per child, or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater"


Remember, kiddies, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant information.
But at least they'll have some money for the bankruptcy filing fee after the medical bills come on in.

dafuq you talking about? The author said "childless Americans between the ages of 18 and 34."

Remember, kiddo, speed reading only works if you retain all of the relevant info.


Somebody skipped the post immediately afterwards where I acknowledged that faux pas.  And as i also mentioned, pregnancy is 9 months and the insurance companies don't have to accept new applicants at any point in the year.  So you could still end up screwed (pardon the phrasing) if you decide to forgo the insurance unless you have some really, really good timing.
 
2013-09-05 01:45:36 PM

theorellior: ExcedrinHeadache: I got laid off in May and got a new job in July. The new job put me on 90-day probation, at the end of which I will receive my benefits. So I figured I would go the three months without insurance, I should be fine.

Of course, about two weeks ago I wound up in the Emergency Room (I'm fine, thanks), and they handed me a bill for $12k, which they dropped to $4.5k as a "discount" because I was paying for it myself. I just bought a house in the new town, had just moved cross country, and simply had no money lying around, so I had to borrow from a family member to pay the amount (they offered to bring it down to $3k if I could pay it all at once). And now I'm getting bills from Pathology and am expecting the "physician's bill" as well.

It was a stupid gamble, and I lost. If I'd had insurance, I'd have paid $1500, and that would have been my maximum co-pay for the year. I'm a fairly young guy (38) and pretty healthy in general, but the one time I gambled on no insurance, I lost. Big.

Ain't that a tidy scam? "The bill is $12,000. Oh, wait, we can't chisel your insurance company? Uhhh, how about $4,500? Still can't do it? Okay, let's call it $3,000 cash 'n' carry."

By basic keystone markup, that means it really cost $1500. $10,500 profit pays for a lot of tee times a lot of people who never pay their bill at the emergency room, if the sucker has insurance.


Fixed for anyone living in the real world and not some poorly designed fantasy Conservatives masturbate to
 
2013-09-05 01:51:10 PM

unyon: Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?

Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]

Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.


Scribd is blocked for me, but you can look at the topline for the poll here to get the demographic breakdown.
 
2013-09-05 02:09:33 PM

Aristocles: Because I have you "favorited" in Virginia Red.


Ah, fair enough. Surprising, though, I haven't been very active since you started making your rounds here. Out of curiousity, though, which red is Virginia Red? I don't think I've heard that term before.
 
2013-09-05 02:50:53 PM

incendi: Aristocles: Because I have you "favorited" in Virginia Red.

Ah, fair enough. Surprising, though, I haven't been very active since you started making your rounds here. Out of curiousity, though, which red is Virginia Red? I don't think I've heard that term before.


It's Red 5 (I'm a little green/red color blind, so if it's too red I won't be able to read the comment), should be the Red of the Cardinal's brow, though.
 
2013-09-05 03:07:51 PM
But, but, but I like my insurance card. ;.; And I was only able to even get approved for insurance after all this started.

/self insured
//young adult blue max
 
2013-09-05 04:29:36 PM

Serious Black: unyon: Brick-House: Here's an Idea... how about me make it a Picture ID and then let people use it to Vote?

Serious Black: DeaH: They're right. The left was hysterical. With laughter.

Actually, I am laughing now. Take a look at this poll that asked people how likely they are to purchase health insurance through the exchanges:

[cdn-media.nationaljournal.com image 738x327]

Those graphs would be a whole lot more useful if it stated the relative cohort sizes.

Scribd is blocked for me, but you can look at the topline for the poll here to get the demographic breakdown.


I'm not talking about the polling methodology itself.  From the graph, exchange-based healthcare provision is far more popular in the younger demos, which makes sense- Older people are more likely to have either employer-based or receive services via medicare.  but what matters is the hard numbers- Exchanges work best if there is a broad pool of participants across ages and other factors.  If only 15% of older people end up in exchanges, but the hard number is similar to under-35 people in the exchanges, then the math works.  But if participation is skewed too heavily towards any demo, then you'll get distortions on the costs of service provision.

Anyways, I'm Canadian, so its only an intellectual exercise for me.  100% participation and single payer eliminates all of this goofy shiat, and the subsequent administrative overhead that accompanies it.
 
2013-09-05 04:41:05 PM
All I got from this is that FreedomWorks is trying to save face after this idea became a national laughing stock.
 
2013-09-05 05:13:37 PM

incendi: Stile4aly: Let's be honest about what the Republicans want: Repeal EMTALA and make medical debts immune to bankruptcy like student loans.

I enjoy gettin' my hate on as much as the next guy, but that's probably a bit of a stretch.


At this point, Republicans are rejecting the very concept of insurance as wealth redistribution.  There is nowhere left for them to go but cash-only medical treatment and that means you have to eliminate EMTALA.
 
2013-09-05 06:56:23 PM

sabreWulf07: The ACA is an "oppressive transfer of wealth from young Americans to the elderly" in the same way that all forms of insurance are an oppressive transfer of wealth from the lucky to the unlucky.

These people screamed and screamed for decades demanding a "free market" solution that didn't cut the multi-billion-dollar insurance industry middlemen out of the action and now that they've actually got it, what's the f*cking issue?



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2013-09-06 12:26:32 AM

Soup4Bonnie: It sucks to be us because you're going to retire.  Again, this makes no sense.  But what do I expect from a guy that's typing "lol" in his own posts?


And by retire he means creating another alt.
 
2013-09-06 01:47:58 AM
I thought it was racist to make people get an ID card?
 
2013-09-06 06:44:12 AM
But if they burn their Obamacare cards then how will they be able to avoid being rounded up and put in a FEMA re-education camp?

I don't think they've studied this out.
 
2013-09-06 12:44:42 PM

theorellior: Subby, you must not be part of the Inner Circle, I got my ObamaCare card in January along with a lovely pair of jackboots and a "Death to America!" bumper sticker.


I got an invitation to be on a death panel along with a list of elderly no longer of value to the country.
 
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