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(SeattlePI)   Hey, don't you worry about where you will get your medical cannabis - the state liquor control board is taking care of it   (blog.seattlepi.com ) divider line
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2013-09-05 10:36:02 AM  
3 votes:

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


the state doesnt make the liqour or cigarettes, this article is saying that the state will be growing the weed.  if it was just about giving the state their cut, i dont think there would be any outcry at all.


StrangeQ: jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...

Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?


no, it is like walmart being declared illegal and getting replaced by the government commissary.
2013-09-05 03:06:54 PM  
2 votes:

amerikanespur: First let's get some facts straight. The state of Washington will not be growing any weed or operating any weed stores. The initiative that the voters approved turns all of that over to private enterprise. The Liquor Board is only responsible for licensing and regulation, (rulemaking and administrative code to comply to the new laws created by I-502) The assertion that the medical dispensaries are going to be priced out is absurd when I-502 created taxes of 25% on the growers, 25% on the distributors and another 25% on the retailers. The real reason they are upset is because they have been flying under the radar forever and now face competition and added scrutiny.


And as far as I'm concerned the medical dispensaries can go away and those folks who need it can buy it from the licensed stores. It looks like the price won't be significantly different. Plus the medical marijuana market has been abused in Washington state. There has been no real control on who gets a "prescription".

The medical dispensaries are just all butt hurt because now they have competition and no special compensation from the government.
2013-09-05 12:57:28 PM  
2 votes:
"My daddy he made whiskey, my granddaddy he did too
We ain't paid no whiskey tax since 1792 "

MJ is the Whiskey of our time. The feds had better start realizing this fact.
2013-09-05 09:17:53 AM  
2 votes:

Lady Indica: youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.

And stoners are lazy. Many people don't even grow their own tomatoes and that's a lot easier.


Not around here it isn't, the damn deer eat everything and unless you are johnny on the spot with the bloodmeal after every rain or have a good fence forget about it.  The problem is we have a lot of wooded areas large enough to support a decent sized herd but not large enough to hunt in.
2013-09-05 08:59:58 AM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.


You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.
2013-09-05 08:46:52 AM  
2 votes:
It's a weed.  If I want to grow weeds in my basement, it's none of your business.  Go. Away.
2013-09-05 08:09:49 AM  
2 votes:
Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.
2013-09-05 02:08:29 PM  
1 vote:
First let's get some facts straight. The state of Washington will not be growing any weed or operating any weed stores. The initiative that the voters approved turns all of that over to private enterprise. The Liquor Board is only responsible for licensing and regulation, (rulemaking and administrative code to comply to the new laws created by I-502) The assertion that the medical dispensaries are going to be priced out is absurd when I-502 created taxes of 25% on the growers, 25% on the distributors and another 25% on the retailers. The real reason they are upset is because they have been flying under the radar forever and now face competition and added scrutiny.
2013-09-05 12:51:30 PM  
1 vote:

Zeb Hesselgresser: It's a weed.  If I want to grow weeds in my basement, it's none of your business.  Go. Away.


This
2013-09-05 12:38:27 PM  
1 vote:

MythDragon: Or have movies and TV lied to me?


The gov't grows crap weed.

Current best I've come across and personally grown is Think Differently, an auto-flowering strain with over 30% THC content (compared to the rest of the present cannabinoids) and can produce Critical Mass-sized buds in six weeks (after a three week germination/veg period.)

And it has not much of a smell at all, fresh or burned.
2013-09-05 12:34:11 PM  
1 vote:

Dinjiin: MFAWG: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market

1) citation needed
2) if producing, selling and paying taxes on marijuana was similar to rules for producing beer and wine, the black market would shrink significantly


1) I live here, and I'm active in the black market. Do I need to mansplain it to you?

2) Exactly. That's the true outrage on the 'Medical' side of the equation.
2013-09-05 12:02:10 PM  
1 vote:

MFAWG: Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?


Washington State just recently voted to privatize all liquor sales, effectively eliminating all WSLCB stores.  The worry, mainly from medical marijuana dispensaries, is that the WSLCB stores will resurrect in the form of marijuana dispensaries.  Since the state doesn't like competition, they'll probably write rules that effectively close private dispensaries.

Most likely, we'll see a repeat of the issues when the state was directly selling liquor: higher prices, more limited selection, crappy hours and mediocre staff.
2013-09-05 11:43:24 AM  
1 vote:

Wangiss: MFAWG: Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?

Perhaps outrage isn't the reaction you should be looking for.  Maybe something less hyperbolic, yet still significant, is afoot.


I live here. There is outrage. Here's why: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market, and it's pure profit. That's not going to be the case anymore.
2013-09-05 11:26:48 AM  
1 vote:
So, I'm not sure what the law there says.

On one hand the article says they'll go after growers/sellers "outside the system" and the LCB will be growing it, but one of the growers interviewed in the article is biatching and moaning that the state will undercut her prices and effectively put her out of business.

So I'm not entirely sure, but it sounds like she can still legally sell medical marijuana but she's afraid it will cut into her profits and she's afraid to compete on quality.
2013-09-05 11:15:44 AM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...


If you think "lowering prices" is anywhere on the agenda of any LCB, you don't know them very well.
2013-09-05 10:37:41 AM  
1 vote:

tokinGLX: MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.

the state doesnt make the liqour or cigarettes, this article is saying that the state will be growing the weed.  if it was just about giving the state their cut, i dont think there would be any outcry at all.


StrangeQ: jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...

Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?

no, it is like walmart being declared illegal and getting replaced by the government commissary.


Bingo.
2013-09-05 09:19:45 AM  
1 vote:

youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.


Delayed gratification?  Taking it up as a hobby?  According to you home beer brewers don't exist.
2013-09-05 09:13:53 AM  
1 vote:

youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.


And stoners are lazy. Many people don't even grow their own tomatoes and that's a lot easier.
2013-09-05 08:57:03 AM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...


Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?
2013-09-05 08:39:50 AM  
1 vote:
Listen to all these folks whining about government regulation.  Bunch of Tea-Baggers.
2013-09-05 08:31:19 AM  
1 vote:
That's the model in Colorado, which has been pretty damn successful.
2013-09-05 08:26:54 AM  
1 vote:

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


there are hundreds of liquor manufacturers/bottlers and several large cigarette companies that profit from their product sales. added tax is one thing, blocking out competition is akin to monopoly.
2013-09-05 08:12:38 AM  
1 vote:

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


Yeah, I don't really see how anyone would think that anything different could happen.
 
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