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(SeattlePI)   Hey, don't you worry about where you will get your medical cannabis - the state liquor control board is taking care of it   (blog.seattlepi.com) divider line 44
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2013-09-05 08:08:37 AM
Proper use of FAIL tag.
+20, Subby.
 
2013-09-05 08:09:49 AM
Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.
 
2013-09-05 08:10:45 AM
Yay, it's legal! Finally!

What, it's going to be more heavily regulated?
 
2013-09-05 08:12:38 AM

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


Yeah, I don't really see how anyone would think that anything different could happen.
 
2013-09-05 08:21:42 AM
Dealers don't like it when a new dealer starts moving in on their territory.

News at 11.
 
2013-09-05 08:26:54 AM

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


there are hundreds of liquor manufacturers/bottlers and several large cigarette companies that profit from their product sales. added tax is one thing, blocking out competition is akin to monopoly.
 
2013-09-05 08:31:19 AM
That's the model in Colorado, which has been pretty damn successful.
 
2013-09-05 08:32:10 AM
If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...
 
2013-09-05 08:39:50 AM
Listen to all these folks whining about government regulation.  Bunch of Tea-Baggers.
 
2013-09-05 08:43:28 AM
Well, if it's anything like NC's system, pot will soon cost more here than anywhere else in the world. That's bad.

However, it will provide well-paying do-nothing jobs for all the idiot sons of politicians, the n'er-do-well brothers-in-law of wealthy party donors, various cronies and hacks, and a nice thick layer of bureaucracy and corruption in the state capitol. So as an employment scheme for people who would otherwise be filling potholes, it even beats the UN.
 
2013-09-05 08:46:52 AM
It's a weed.  If I want to grow weeds in my basement, it's none of your business.  Go. Away.
 
2013-09-05 08:52:26 AM
Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.
 
2013-09-05 08:57:03 AM

jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...


Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?
 
2013-09-05 08:59:58 AM

Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.


You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.
 
2013-09-05 09:13:53 AM

youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.


And stoners are lazy. Many people don't even grow their own tomatoes and that's a lot easier.
 
2013-09-05 09:17:53 AM

Lady Indica: youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.

And stoners are lazy. Many people don't even grow their own tomatoes and that's a lot easier.


Not around here it isn't, the damn deer eat everything and unless you are johnny on the spot with the bloodmeal after every rain or have a good fence forget about it.  The problem is we have a lot of wooded areas large enough to support a decent sized herd but not large enough to hunt in.
 
2013-09-05 09:19:45 AM

youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.


Delayed gratification?  Taking it up as a hobby?  According to you home beer brewers don't exist.
 
2013-09-05 09:34:52 AM

sendtodave: Yay, it's legal! Finally!

What, it's going to be more heavily regulated?


For the people who are complaining, it was already legal. For the people who it just became legal for, this is a decrease in regulation. Your post combines these two groups of people in a way that makes no sense.
 
2013-09-05 10:06:56 AM

Egoy3k: Not around here it isn't, the damn deer eat everything and unless you are johnny on the spot with the bloodmeal after every rain or have a good fence forget about it.  The problem is we have a lot of wooded areas large enough to support a decent sized herd but not large enough to hunt in.


You  sure those are dear?  You might have a chupacabra or even a slenderman infestation.
 
2013-09-05 10:36:02 AM

MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.


the state doesnt make the liqour or cigarettes, this article is saying that the state will be growing the weed.  if it was just about giving the state their cut, i dont think there would be any outcry at all.


StrangeQ: jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...

Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?


no, it is like walmart being declared illegal and getting replaced by the government commissary.
 
2013-09-05 10:37:41 AM

tokinGLX: MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.

the state doesnt make the liqour or cigarettes, this article is saying that the state will be growing the weed.  if it was just about giving the state their cut, i dont think there would be any outcry at all.


StrangeQ: jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...

Yeah, I'm failing to see the problem...is this like the mom and pop stores complaining when Walmart opens up a new supercenter?

no, it is like walmart being declared illegal and getting replaced by the government commissary.


Bingo.
 
2013-09-05 11:05:25 AM

tokinGLX: MythDragon: Well, you can't just make and sell your own liquor or cigarettes, why is this any different? You gotta give the state their cut.

the state doesnt make the liqour or cigarettes, this article is saying that the state will be growing the weed. if it was just about giving the state their cut, i dont think there would be any outcry at all.


Maybe this is a good thing? After all I've heard that government weed is the best.

Or have movies and TV lied to me?
 
2013-09-05 11:07:16 AM
Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?
 
2013-09-05 11:11:39 AM

MFAWG: Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?


Perhaps outrage isn't the reaction you should be looking for.  Maybe something less hyperbolic, yet still significant, is afoot.
 
2013-09-05 11:15:44 AM

jjorsett: If I understand the complaint, it's that the state is going to produce pot at cheaper prices than indoor growers, and that's somehow a bad thing. And also the state will target those "outside the system" growers who will, presumably, continue producing pot at prices they can't sell it for. Ooookay ...


If you think "lowering prices" is anywhere on the agenda of any LCB, you don't know them very well.
 
2013-09-05 11:26:48 AM
So, I'm not sure what the law there says.

On one hand the article says they'll go after growers/sellers "outside the system" and the LCB will be growing it, but one of the growers interviewed in the article is biatching and moaning that the state will undercut her prices and effectively put her out of business.

So I'm not entirely sure, but it sounds like she can still legally sell medical marijuana but she's afraid it will cut into her profits and she's afraid to compete on quality.
 
2013-09-05 11:36:30 AM

StrangeQ: youngandstupid: Egoy3k: Yeah I would imagine that a lot of people will be buying hydroponics equipment and growing their own anyway.

You're assuming that people will want to put in the time and effort to do that compared to strolling by a store and picking up a pack of marijuana cigarettes. Growing takes time, a lot of time. If I want to get high today I better have germed, matured, flowered, flushed, cut, dried, and cured the weed already. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a couple of months.

Delayed gratification?  Taking it up as a hobby?  According to you home beer brewers don't exist.


I didn't say there'd be no one who would be willing to do it, just that I wouldn't expect it to be more than the amount of home brewers.
 
2013-09-05 11:43:24 AM

Wangiss: MFAWG: Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?

Perhaps outrage isn't the reaction you should be looking for.  Maybe something less hyperbolic, yet still significant, is afoot.


I live here. There is outrage. Here's why: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market, and it's pure profit. That's not going to be the case anymore.
 
2013-09-05 11:52:50 AM
Why a fail tag? This is a million times better than going to some shady guy on the streets.
 
2013-09-05 12:00:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Why a fail tag? This is a million times better than going to some shady guy on the streets.


Winner, winner chicken dinner.
 
2013-09-05 12:02:10 PM

MFAWG: Prescription medication will now be available over the counter. I'm not getting the outrage?


Washington State just recently voted to privatize all liquor sales, effectively eliminating all WSLCB stores.  The worry, mainly from medical marijuana dispensaries, is that the WSLCB stores will resurrect in the form of marijuana dispensaries.  Since the state doesn't like competition, they'll probably write rules that effectively close private dispensaries.

Most likely, we'll see a repeat of the issues when the state was directly selling liquor: higher prices, more limited selection, crappy hours and mediocre staff.
 
2013-09-05 12:06:44 PM

MFAWG: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market


1) citation needed
2) if producing, selling and paying taxes on marijuana was similar to rules for producing beer and wine, the black market would shrink significantly
 
2013-09-05 12:34:11 PM

Dinjiin: MFAWG: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market

1) citation needed
2) if producing, selling and paying taxes on marijuana was similar to rules for producing beer and wine, the black market would shrink significantly


1) I live here, and I'm active in the black market. Do I need to mansplain it to you?

2) Exactly. That's the true outrage on the 'Medical' side of the equation.
 
2013-09-05 12:38:27 PM

MythDragon: Or have movies and TV lied to me?


The gov't grows crap weed.

Current best I've come across and personally grown is Think Differently, an auto-flowering strain with over 30% THC content (compared to the rest of the present cannabinoids) and can produce Critical Mass-sized buds in six weeks (after a three week germination/veg period.)

And it has not much of a smell at all, fresh or burned.
 
2013-09-05 12:50:16 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dealers don't like it when a new dealer starts moving in on their territory.

News at 11.


Say my name.
 
2013-09-05 12:51:30 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: It's a weed.  If I want to grow weeds in my basement, it's none of your business.  Go. Away.


This
 
2013-09-05 12:57:28 PM
"My daddy he made whiskey, my granddaddy he did too
We ain't paid no whiskey tax since 1792 "

MJ is the Whiskey of our time. The feds had better start realizing this fact.
 
2013-09-05 01:00:01 PM

MFAWG: Dinjiin: MFAWG: most licensed grows actually end up with a large portion of the product on the black market

1) citation needed
2) if producing, selling and paying taxes on marijuana was similar to rules for producing beer and wine, the black market would shrink significantly

1) I live here, and I'm active in the black market. Do I need to mansplain it to you?

2) Exactly. That's the true outrage on the 'Medical' side of the equation.


This.
I'm guessing that more so than not, successful legal grow operations were started by those who grew illegal for decades. (this is the case for someone I worked for.  30 years exp)  They have extensive clientele.  Loyal buyers.  What I saw up here in CO, was many long time smokers were not willing to put their names on the government list, so they continued to buy underground regardless of medical conditions or not.  Connections are connections.
Some of the legal growers got screwed by city governments and went back underground.  And still are.
 
2013-09-05 01:15:43 PM
My understanding is that the Legalization initiative put so many taxes on legal pot at every level that it will actually end up being more expensive than buying from the dealer down in the ally.
 
2013-09-05 02:08:29 PM
First let's get some facts straight. The state of Washington will not be growing any weed or operating any weed stores. The initiative that the voters approved turns all of that over to private enterprise. The Liquor Board is only responsible for licensing and regulation, (rulemaking and administrative code to comply to the new laws created by I-502) The assertion that the medical dispensaries are going to be priced out is absurd when I-502 created taxes of 25% on the growers, 25% on the distributors and another 25% on the retailers. The real reason they are upset is because they have been flying under the radar forever and now face competition and added scrutiny.
 
2013-09-05 03:06:54 PM

amerikanespur: First let's get some facts straight. The state of Washington will not be growing any weed or operating any weed stores. The initiative that the voters approved turns all of that over to private enterprise. The Liquor Board is only responsible for licensing and regulation, (rulemaking and administrative code to comply to the new laws created by I-502) The assertion that the medical dispensaries are going to be priced out is absurd when I-502 created taxes of 25% on the growers, 25% on the distributors and another 25% on the retailers. The real reason they are upset is because they have been flying under the radar forever and now face competition and added scrutiny.


And as far as I'm concerned the medical dispensaries can go away and those folks who need it can buy it from the licensed stores. It looks like the price won't be significantly different. Plus the medical marijuana market has been abused in Washington state. There has been no real control on who gets a "prescription".

The medical dispensaries are just all butt hurt because now they have competition and no special compensation from the government.
 
2013-09-05 04:44:34 PM
Uh, people are taking it wrong. The new law is in addition to the previous allowances for medical usage. Those old laws didn't get removed as far as I'm aware. Medical is safe. The feds would go after the recreational usage/violations before the medical. That would be a much easier fight for them to just reign it back to where it was.

/hope that made sense cause I'm HIGH
 
2013-09-05 07:03:48 PM
Who cares. People have been growing it for personal use when it was illegal. They will continue to do so regardless of what the State says.

When the State sends workers to wipe my bum in order to save a few squares of toilet paper, then I might listen.

Until then, they can suck my crop.

And toilet paper is not the best method for rolling a joint.

Doing so gives a new meaning to "Really Good shiat".
 
2013-09-06 01:56:47 AM

RightWingWacko: My understanding is that the Legalization initiative put so many taxes on legal pot at every level that it will actually end up being more expensive than buying from the dealer down in the ally.


It's $175-$200 and ounce in Colorado.  Same ounce in Ohio..  $400+.
So, in Colorado, the prices have dropped a lot.  And that's medical grade.
 
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