JungleBoogie: Bag-o-Nugs: My brother does not approve of hunting, but he fishes. I've made the argument to him before that fishing is every bit as cruel if not more-so than hunting. The typical kill when hunting is supposed to kill the animal with one shot. The kill in fishing typically comes from the fish slowly suffocating inside an ice box. Fish are ugly though. It's easier to not care about them. Me personally, I don't care about my meals' feelings, hopes, aspirations, or even species to an extent. If it's tasty meat, then it's tasty meat. I was given incisors to chew flesh, and I'm going to use them dammit![www.scientificamerican.com image 259x171][images.supportingservices.dk image 259x173][files.myopera.com image 259x194]Humans don't really have much in the way of incisors canines.
Lusebagage: If you've ever wondered why heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and cancer are rampant in our culture, you only need look to a food thread on fark, where they vehemently defend that which is unhealthy to their body and soul like a chorus of computers lacking compunction.
Lusebagage: As Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote "...there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power."
BetterMetalSnake: Why are vegans fine killing plants? A life is a life. What makes animal life so special that killing thousands of innocent broccoli can be done with some sort of moral superiority?Life feeds on life.
THX 1138: Animals are made of meat, for fark's sake.
THX 1138: You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other.
Lee Jackson Beauregard: If he'd practiced that Buddhist life of nonviolence, perhaps he wouldn't be in the pokey.
Lady Indica: When we see 'flailing' or any type of stimulus response, we assume there has to be thought or discomfort behind it...but there doesn't. (Hot potato). And in much less complex creatures they simply do not have the brain capacity or structure to experience a lot of what we do...on any level.
skozlaw: BetterMetalSnake: Why are vegans fine killing plants? A life is a life. What makes animal life so special that killing thousands of innocent broccoli can be done with some sort of moral superiority?Are you aware that vegetables are not conscious? That is one of several key differences that makes animals and plants fundamentally different things?/ okay... I'll grant you that there's a lot of evidence on the politics tab that suggests otherwise, but I promise you that despite appearances, those posters are not actually partially literate vegetables
Grungehamster: I will say that's something that's always bugged me with the "fish can't feel pain" argument. Anyone who has ever caught a fish knows that it will fight and flail to get away with all it's strength, even if it's bleeding out and dying. That means they have to have some sort of rapid response system aimed at self preservation against dangerous stimuli. Sure it might not be experienced the same way as humans do, but "pain" has to exist in all animals to some degree simply because they have something driving them towards self-preservative behavior.
starsrift: THX 1138: starsrift: If you're going to copypaste a short story from the 90's, you could at least credit the author, you heathen.- by Terry Bisson, Omni, April 1991. Nominated for the Nebula Award.Are we good now?Yup. :)
THX 1138: starsrift: If you're going to copypaste a short story from the 90's, you could at least credit the author, you heathen.- by Terry Bisson, Omni, April 1991. Nominated for the Nebula Award.Are we good now?
starsrift: If you're going to copypaste a short story from the 90's, you could at least credit the author, you heathen.
THX 1138: "They're made out of meat."
BetterMetalSnake: Life feeds on life.
Grungehamster: I will say that's something that's always bugged me with the "fish can't feel pain" argument.
durbnpoisn: At last I can agree with something someone from PETA says. I've often found the most ridiculous hypocrisy in those that say, "I don't eat meat, except fish." That makes you sound like an idiot. An idiot that is not aware of what fish are made of.
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