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(CBS News)   "Clearly fish is meat," said Jeff Kerr, an attorney for PETA. "They have thoughts. They have interests. They have a central nervous system. They are not swimming vegetables"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 160
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2013-09-05 12:20:42 PM

stryed: mod3072: unchellmatt: "They are not swimming vegetables"

Of course not. If they were, I wouldn't be deep frying the suckers.

Okra. Green beans. Dill pickles. Broccoli and cheese. Jalapeno poppers. All of these things are delicious when deep fried. You lose.

Wow, Okra, broccoli are one of the healthiest veggies available and you deep fry them? Here's are some tips:
Brocs: stir fry with garlic and olive oil for 5-7mins, and add a lil bit of chinese oyster sauce (or soy sauce) and stir fry for another minute and then pretend you're a brontosaurus.
Okra: just pop them in a slow boiled curry to add thickness.

(okra is also really good for cholesterol if u leave chopped ones in a glass of water for a day in the fridge, and slurp the gooey thing for breakfast....My dad does that, I wouldn't)


If you take the okra slime and let it dry out, then break it up at snort it, you'll trip balls.
 
2013-09-05 12:23:49 PM

Yes please: ko_kyi: Meat is murder.  Delicious, protein-packed murder.

If you eat a steak you're responsible for about 1% of a murder. If you eat a shrimp cocktail you're a serial killer. Justify that, I only eat fish vegetarians.


I've hit up Red Lobster's Endless shrimp 5 times this year already.

What does that make me?

/Aside from fat.
 
2013-09-05 12:30:31 PM

stryed: mod3072: unchellmatt: "They are not swimming vegetables"

Of course not. If they were, I wouldn't be deep frying the suckers.

Okra. Green beans. Dill pickles. Broccoli and cheese. Jalapeno poppers. All of these things are delicious when deep fried. You lose.

Wow, Okra, broccoli are one of the healthiest veggies available and you deep fry them? Here's are some tips:
Brocs: stir fry with garlic and olive oil for 5-7mins, and add a lil bit of chinese oyster sauce (or soy sauce) and stir fry for another minute and then pretend you're a brontosaurus.
Okra: just pop them in a slow boiled curry to add thickness.

(okra is also really good for cholesterol if u leave chopped ones in a glass of water for a day in the fridge, and slurp the gooey thing for breakfast....My dad does that, I wouldn't)


I'm pretty sure the list is only meant to discredit the "if they were vegetables, I wouldn't deep fry them" bit.  Not a "these are all the vegetable that are eaten deep fried, and only deep fried.

Y SO SERIOUS?  :)
 
2013-09-05 12:30:54 PM
I don't believe all fish have a central nervous system... like Clams and Oysters.
 
2013-09-05 12:31:35 PM

Andy Andy: mainsail: Yeah...but chicken is vegan, right?

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Am I red meat yet?


Beautiful.

(obscure only to the historically deficient)
 
2013-09-05 12:31:58 PM
see this is why those non-incarcerated get the opinion that prison is a "country club" which is not. but people read this crap and all of a sudden it's "and they watch t.v. too!"
/I wonder what's on the menu at a prison in El Salvador today?
//and can you get kosher?
 
2013-09-05 12:38:53 PM
I only eat animals that kill plants for food. So, just categorize me as a plant defender against the evil vegetarian killers.

//They kill plants and then eat their kill. *GASP*
 
2013-09-05 12:45:44 PM
DEEP THOUGHTS WITH FISH
 
2013-09-05 12:46:01 PM
Strange, I've been calling them meat-tubes for years.
 
2013-09-05 12:47:54 PM

Via Infinito: 21- So I guess I should become a vegetarian?
24 - No, everything living has a soul. Even spinach. You can't win.


Humans are designed to, and function best when, they eat other creatures. This is a scientific fact.

/suck it vegans.
 
2013-09-05 12:55:52 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If he'd practiced that Buddhist life of nonviolence, perhaps he wouldn't be in the pokey.


I'm guessing he converted to Buddhism after he was incarcerated.
 
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2013-09-05 12:58:09 PM

one-in-the-chamber: see this is why those non-incarcerated get the opinion that prison is a "country club" which is not. but people read this crap and all of a sudden it's "and they watch t.v. too!"
/I wonder what's on the menu at a prison in El Salvador today?
//and can you get kosher?


I have a simple solution...

Since the military has meals for Kosher diets and for vegetarians, serve him surplus C-rations for veggies.

/Vegetarianism isn't a religion in of itself
//it shouldn't be treated that way
///if he wants to convert to a religion that practices it then maybe he'd be entitled, maybe.
 
2013-09-05 01:00:29 PM

Madbassist1: Humans are designed ... This is a scientific fact.


See, I'm just going to have to disagree with you on that.
 
2013-09-05 01:02:49 PM
Another command in Buddhism is to "eat what is given to you" (provided, of course, that it is actually edible). This prevents many itinerant monks from being strict vegetarians, because people (including other Buddhists) will sometimes offer them meat. One could argue that it is admirable for the man to protest, but by the dictates of his own faith, he can and in fact should still eat the fish.
 
2013-09-05 01:04:18 PM

js34603: mainsail: Yeah...but chicken is vegan, right?

Sorry, no. I heard porterhouses are OK though.


1. PETA says animals have rights and privledges the same as people
2. You are what you eat.
3. Therefore Grain fed Cattle are a grain, which is not meat.
4. Enjoy your grainloaf, with gravy of course.
 
2013-09-05 01:09:03 PM
My brother does not approve of hunting, but he fishes.  I've made the argument to him before that fishing is every bit as cruel if not more-so than hunting.  The typical kill when hunting is supposed to kill the animal with one shot.  The kill in fishing typically comes from the fish slowly suffocating inside an ice box.  Fish are ugly though.  It's easier to not care about them.  Me personally, I don't care about my meals' feelings, hopes, aspirations, or even species to an extent.  If it's tasty meat, then it's tasty meat.  I was given incisors to chew flesh, and I'm going to use them dammit!
 
2013-09-05 01:16:39 PM
I'll never understand why so many farkers (and people in general, I guess) seem threatened by vegetarians.
 
2013-09-05 01:17:46 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If he'd practiced that Buddhist life of nonviolence, perhaps he wouldn't be in the pokey.


Most people are in jail for drugs. So he probably smoked a joint once.
 
2013-09-05 01:23:05 PM

THX 1138: Animals are made of meat, for fark's sake.


Yes, an immediate trigger to the Bisson story
  

THX 1138: You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other.


I love that story, and this line still makes me laugh, even after more than twenty years
 
2013-09-05 01:23:15 PM

starsrift: THX 1138: starsrift: If you're going to copypaste a short story from the 90's, you could at least credit the author, you heathen.

- by Terry Bisson,  Omni, April 1991.  Nominated for the Nebula Award.

Are we good now?

Yup. :)


I just automatically assumed he was plagiarizing (not just him, any fark user) and looked it up myself. That's how I found the collected works of John G Ballard when some farker posted part of a story about such overcrowding that people lived in a legal maximum of 4 square meter blocks of space.

This is Fark, not high school english. I just assume no orginal works unless otherwise proven.
 
2013-09-05 01:30:07 PM

TinyFist: Beaver=fish

True story.


No, beaver just smells like fish
 
2013-09-05 01:31:44 PM

stryed: Wow, Okra, broccoli are one of the healthiest veggies available and you deep fry them?


This is America, pal. If it can't be deep fried and/or shoved onto a stick, it ain't food.
 
2013-09-05 01:32:44 PM
He should be fed a steady diet of brussel sprouts then, for the remainder of his sentence.
 
2013-09-05 01:34:47 PM

mod3072: stryed: Wow, Okra, broccoli are one of the healthiest veggies available and you deep fry them?

This is America, pal. If it can't be deep fried and/or shoved onto a stick, it ain't food.


mmmmm... tempura
 
2013-09-05 01:35:40 PM

BetterMetalSnake: Why are vegans fine killing plants? A life is a life. What makes animal life so special that killing thousands of innocent broccoli can be done with some sort of moral superiority?

Life feeds on life.


This, este, etc.

You can't even legitimately use the "But plants don't feel pain" excuse, either--it's actually been found that plants (including a lot of the common food species like tomatoes and brassica-family veggies like lettuce and broccoli and the like) as well as a surprising number of trees DO "scream" chemically when injured or under predation, and other plants within the vicinity increase levels of natural insecticides and/or bitterants depending on the particular nature of the chemical "scream" and its intensity.  This is pretty much directly analgous to how insects, particularly eusocial insects, communicate threats.

(This isn't even touching on plants that have hydrodynamic analogues to muscle systems and try to actively either get away from humans (touch-me-nots) or interpret human touch as a prey response (Venus flytraps and a few other predatory plants).  Venus flytraps and other predatory plants even have an analogue to our touch sensory system (despite not having a clear analogue to the nervous system proper)...)

And nope, can't even get out of it with fungi either; if eating plants is dubious because they can chemically scream, fungi may be even MORE dubious as the fungi are the sister group to animals within the unikonts.  (Yes, it sounds weird as hell, but in the actual big division within eukaryotes--unikonts (which tend to use mitochondria to produce energy thanks to endosymbiosis between early unikont eukaryotes and rickettsia) and bikonts (which tend to use chloroplasts to produce energy thanks to the same kind of endosymbiosis early in their evolutionary history--only with cyanobacteria)--actually tends to place animals and fungi as a sister group, just as it tends to place most "green things" (not just plants but plant-like living things) together.)

We won't even get into how Jains are more moral in a sense than the average vegan if the whole worry is "killing a living thing".  (Jains, of note, will not eat anything with a live culture or which involves the killing of a live bacterial or fungal culture--out of a sense of ahimsa or not knowingly killing other living beings.  Yes, this means beer (actually, pretty much all alcohol) is out as well as yogurt, cheese, and Quorn is RIGHT the fark out.)

Interestingly, Jains do NOT seem to have issues with consuming milk or eggs as long as the critters involved are treated humanely (as it is not taking life from a living being).  They also won't eat root vegetables (because the harvesting of them will kill the plant), only harvest those parts of plants that will not kill or otherwise severely injure the plant, and pretty much are ovo-lacto-leaf-eating-fructivores in practice.

/not Jain
//more recognising that life feeds on life and I do in my own way thank the life that sacrificed itself so I can live
///not a fan of fundamentalism of any stripe, including militant vegans who don't realise that some folks may actually need to consume animal-origin foods to remain healthy (yes, it happens, there are folks who HAVE to eat meat or become seriously anemic who CANNOT absorb iron from supplements or the usual vegetable sources--everyone's metabolism is different)
 
2013-09-05 01:43:04 PM
Is this how meat eaters play dogpile on the criminal?

This thread is merely a chime in for the status quo robots!  Haven't you drones ever wondered why you feel obligated to defend your programming, like trained sea lions?  The responses in this thread not only show a total lack of empathy, but basic understanding of anatomy. I think deep down everyone here understands the difference between running over the grass with their lawnmower, and running over a dog with their lawn mower.  Yet you meat slaves squirm every which way to defend your fragile egos, its really quite sad to witness.

As Emerson wrote, "Tis said that the view of nature held by any people determine all their institutions." Is it any wonder that the American war machine keeps turning when its citizens hold such a lack of regard for the celebration of nature, in all its glory.

As Singer wrote, "When a human kills an animal for food, he is neglecting his own hunger for justice.  Man prays for mercy, but is unwilling to extend it to others."

As Shaw wrote "The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them, that is the essence of inhumanity."

Oh the Irony of your farkers, always on the lookout for a post to hide your guilt within the rest of society. when in reality, your shallow minded responses to this article really just display an obsolete food orientation.  At least you all have that in common, and there is obviously power in numbers!

As Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote "Cruelty to animals is as if man didn't love God...there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power."

If you've ever wondered why heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and cancer are rampant in our culture, you only need look to a food thread on fark, where they vehemently defend that which is unhealthy to their body and soul like a chorus of computers lacking compunction.
 
2013-09-05 01:47:32 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: I don't believe all fish have a central nervous system... like Clams and Oysters.


???

Fish are vertebrates.  One of the requirements for being a fish is the existence of a central nervous system.

Clams and oysters are bivalve mollusks.  Yes, they live underwater but not every animal that does so is a fish.

They all fall under the category of delicious seafood, however.
 
2013-09-05 01:47:53 PM

Lusebagage: As Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote "...there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power."


Sort of like how the Christian God did to Job?
 
2013-09-05 01:51:38 PM

TinyFist: Beaver=fish

True story.


It's supposed to be about the sacrifice of not eating meat and the symbolism of eating fish. The catholics know perfectly well what is and isn't a fish but sometimes you're poor and don't have any fish so large aquatic rodents will have to do.
 
2013-09-05 01:56:30 PM

Bag-o-Nugs: Sort of like how the Christian God did to Job?


Yes Bag, sort of like that!  As Chuck Palahniuk wrote in Damned, "The paradox: Is God a racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic ass? Or is God testing to see if I am?"
 
2013-09-05 01:57:59 PM

THX 1138: I don't understand the mindset where some people draw arbitrary lines and declare that only red meat counts as meat, or only land animals (which adds chicken, turkey, etc) count as meat.

Fish are animals, just like land animals, but they just happen to live in water.  Hell, they're even vertebrates, which puts them a helluva lot closer to land animals we use for food than it puts them to invertebrates like squid or scallops.

They're animals.  Animals are made of meat, for fark's sake.


Do these people actually claim 'counts as meat' or are you assuming that from a statement like 'I don't eat X'?

The lines probably aren't arbitrary, but are either (1) drawn for something that you overlooked, (2) drawn for something that is rational but unimportant to you, (3) drawn for something that is objectively* stupid.

For an example of (1),  if the concern environmental, cows require 8 pounds of feed for one pound of meat. Pigs have a 4:1 ratio and chickens have a 2:1 ratio. So a good rule of thumb is don't eat mammals to combat environmental erosion.

For an example of (2), the closer an animal looks to human, the more it triggers a cannibalism aversion reflex. As a species, this is an understandable survival trait. As individuals, if the choice is between starving to death and eating a chimpanzee, sorry Bonzo.

For an example of (3), there are people that get offended if their shrink-wrapped supermarket flesh in any way resembles an animal. These people should not be allowed to eat meat.
 
2013-09-05 02:09:52 PM

LindenFark: Do these people actually claim 'counts as meat' or are you assuming that from a statement like 'I don't eat X'?


I'm not assuming anything.  TFA clearly says that the Connecticut Department of Correction takes the position taken that fish does not count as meat.  It's in the first and the third paragraphs.  Did you not read it?
 
2013-09-05 02:12:06 PM
Great Porn Dragon:  "plants...scream" chemically when injured"

They just don't have a brain, or nerves, or sensory organs, or vocal cords, or the ability to run away, but besides that, they are just like us!

The bigger question is, why do you feel obligated to defend your food choices with arguments you don't even truly believe?
 
2013-09-05 02:23:00 PM

archbishop: Madbassist1: Humans are designed ... This is a scientific fact.

See, I'm just going to have to disagree with you on that.


You'll just have to be wrong, then.
 
2013-09-05 02:26:53 PM

Great Porn Dragon: trees DO "scream" chemically when injured or under predation, and other plants within the vicinity increase levels of natural insecticides and/or bitterants depending on the particular nature of the chemical "scream" and its intensity. This is pretty much directly analgous to how insects, particularly eusocial insects, communicate threats.

 
2013-09-05 02:28:01 PM

Madbassist1: Great Porn Dragon: trees DO "scream" chemically when injured or under predation, and other plants within the vicinity increase levels of natural insecticides and/or bitterants depending on the particular nature of the chemical "scream" and its intensity. This is pretty much directly analgous to how insects, particularly eusocial insects, communicate threats.


Post fail. Meant to post this with the above comment *facepalm*

recluse.me
 
2013-09-05 02:40:47 PM
My interests include swimming, spawning, eating things that are small enough to fit in my mouth, and spawning.
 
2013-09-05 02:41:04 PM
 
2013-09-05 02:46:36 PM
Goddamn Kingdomists.  When will they learn?
 
2013-09-05 02:46:44 PM

Lusebagage: If you've ever wondered why heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and cancer are rampant in our culture, you only need look to a food thread on fark, where they vehemently defend that which is unhealthy to their body and soul like a chorus of computers lacking compunction.


I looked and looked for this video clip, but I could not find it. I am fairly certain it's from "Through the Wormhole", which is about the only documentary series I regularly watch anymore.

The scene opens. A scientist is sitting at a table in the middle of a field. The table is set for dinner. There are sheep grazing behind him. His kitchen help sets down a small serving of some type of greens on his plate. He begins to eat.

Morgan: (paraphrased, obviously) Our brains need energy to think and function. We get that energy from food. Sheep
get their energy grazing in the meadow. How much grass would it take to power a human brain?

The server returns to the table pulls the cover off of a plate containing about a three foot ball of grass.

Morgan: The time it would take for a human to eat this much to power their bodies is prohibitive. All humans would do is eat. How are we to get the protein needed to power our bodies?

The server returns yet a third time. This time with a lambchop.

oh yes...


Preach all you want my sanctimonious brother. I ain't buying your schtick.
 
2013-09-05 02:57:34 PM

mainsail: Yeah...but chicken is vegan, right?


it is in my house...
 
2013-09-05 03:12:10 PM

maddogdelta: VeggieDelight: French fries?

Deep fried oreos, twinkies, beer and nutella are viable options for deep frying.


They're also healthy, if you do it right. Follow me on this one: Beer contains hops, which are green. That's close enough to being a vegetable for me. Therefore anything that is dipped in BEER batter before being fried can technically be considered a vegetable. You can now enjoy your state fair food guilt-free, my friend. You're welcome.
 
2013-09-05 03:31:59 PM
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!
 
2013-09-05 03:51:12 PM

skozlaw: 69gnarkill69: Citation?

(I'll wait over here)

The idea that animals might not experience pain or suffering as humans do traces back at least to the 17th-century French philosopher, René Descartes, who argued that animals lack consciousness.[9][10][11]Researchers remained unsure into the 1980s as to whether animals experience pain, and veterinarians trained in the U.S. before 1989 were simply taught to ignore animal pain.[12]


I'll accept that. Please understand my skepticism of your claim when so many farkers pull facts from their ass and nobody calls them out.
 
2013-09-05 03:53:03 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
....and when there was no meat, we ate fowl.
....and when there was no fowl, we ate crawdad.
....and when there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand.
 
2013-09-05 04:38:01 PM

Lady Indica: We do give a shiat about things that have agency, and to what degree they have a mind. And there's a lot that is still debated. I personally tend to lean towards anthropomorphizing.


Stuff is still debated, but the trend line as we get more data and real studies is, "Hey, looks like more complex mammals are capable of abstract thought and emotion! Who knew!". One of the big ones that first proved emotion was a study that showed that dogs are capable of jealousy. Upon hearing about the study, every dog owner on the planet responded with, "no shiat, sherlock. Why are we giving you money for this, again?"

Next you'll tell me that the primary emotion of Cats is schadenfreude.
 
2013-09-05 04:40:35 PM

Bag-o-Nugs: The kill in fishing typically comes from the fish slowly suffocating inside an ice box.


Not if you're doing it right. You're supposed to give them a quick, hard blow to the top of the head with a rock or the back of the knife. Done right, you crack the skull and kill them instantly.
 
2013-09-05 05:00:12 PM

Bag-o-Nugs: My brother does not approve of hunting, but he fishes.  I've made the argument to him before that fishing is every bit as cruel if not more-so than hunting.  The typical kill when hunting is supposed to kill the animal with one shot.  The kill in fishing typically comes from the fish slowly suffocating inside an ice box.  Fish are ugly though.  It's easier to not care about them.  Me personally, I don't care about my meals' feelings, hopes, aspirations, or even species to an extent.  If it's tasty meat, then it's tasty meat.  I was given incisors to chew flesh, and I'm going to use them dammit!


www.scientificamerican.comimages.supportingservices.dkfiles.myopera.com

Humans don't really have much in the way of incisors.
 
2013-09-05 05:24:39 PM
Yet, they still eat bee vomit.

Er, I mean, honey.

Because that is not an 'animal' product, right?
 
2013-09-05 05:34:41 PM
www.thedeeparchives.com
some fish even cheat on their wifey
 
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