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2013-09-05 08:21:03 AM
I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.
 
2013-09-05 09:00:33 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


They missed the "Enlightenment".  Now they resent Europe's having had it.
 
2013-09-05 09:00:48 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


ORLY?
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2013-09-05 09:03:18 AM
Allah is gay.
Well, unless you're a hateful bigot who believes homosexuality is wrong somehow, I don't see how this is offensive
 
2013-09-05 09:03:40 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.
 
2013-09-05 09:04:28 AM

Galloping Galoshes: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

They missed the "Enlightenment".  Now they resent Europe's having had it.


Several European nations (off the top of my head, the UK) have anti-blasphemy laws.
 
2013-09-05 09:06:17 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.


You keep telling yourself that.
 
2013-09-05 09:07:25 AM
I'm glad they cleared that up, because Allah had just taken off his earrings and was about to go totes cray cray up in this biatch. Allah will snatch that weave right off your head.
 
2013-09-05 09:08:26 AM

EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?
 
2013-09-05 09:09:06 AM
There is nothing wrong with Allah if he is. I dont see the problem.

Does this mean Allah won't eat at Chick-Fil-a.
 
2013-09-05 09:09:11 AM
...and a beard.
 
2013-09-05 09:09:59 AM

sleeps in trees: IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.

You keep telling yourself that.


Prove him wrong.
 
2013-09-05 09:10:11 AM
He never seemed very happy to me. Kinda stern.
 
2013-09-05 09:10:26 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


According to Republicans, desecrating the flag is blasphemy.
According to Republicans, not saying the pledge of allegiance is blasphemy
According to Republicans, not being a Christian is blasphemy.

Republicans continually try to pass laws to repeal the first amendment.
Republicans want their religion to be the law which all Americans follow.
All Abrahamic-religion fundamentalists are identical.
Therefore, Republicans want to implement Sharia law in America.

QE farking D.
 
2013-09-05 09:11:20 AM

Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?


Israel isn't secular or Christian. But otherwise, good point.
 
2013-09-05 09:12:32 AM

stpauler: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

ORLY?
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Sometimes judges confuse the bench and the pulpit, doesn't mean the system is supposed to be set up that way.
 
2013-09-05 09:13:44 AM
As long as Allah isn't requesting government funds to have gender reallignment surgery this is a non issue.
 
2013-09-05 09:16:28 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: sleeps in trees: IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.

You keep telling yourself that.

Prove him wrong.


Look up journalist freedoms. Also "the rest of the world" is a broad statement.
 
2013-09-05 09:17:00 AM
Let's be civil. After all, we're Allah in this together.

Hold on. There's a middle eastern fella with a large vest in my driveway.
 
2013-09-05 09:18:09 AM

Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?


But the Holocaust actually happened, versus the contents of most holy texts.
 
2013-09-05 09:18:17 AM
stpauler:  ORLY?

The classroom next to my daughter's in her school has a pupil named Messiah. Not a big deal.
 
2013-09-05 09:19:19 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Prove him wrong.


Boy that was hard

Lots of countries, particularly developed countries, recognize wide-ranging free speech rights and many others have sorts of "transitional" free speech that is fairly broad with a few specific restrictions (typically regarding religion).

The United States is not a unique beacon of wide-ranging freedom in the world anymore. Hasn't been for a good century or more in many cases. Lots of other countries have decided that we got it pretty well right and followed suit.
 
2013-09-05 09:19:20 AM

Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?


Yes.
 
2013-09-05 09:22:41 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


That's why riots against US embassies can happened in the muslim world over videos such as "The innocence of muslim". People over there simply does not know what freedom of expression is, and so think that a video like that can only exist with the blessing of the government.
 
2013-09-05 09:24:23 AM

doubled99: Allah is gay.
Well, unless you're a hateful bigot who believes homosexuality is wrong somehow, I don't see how this is offensive


But we know Muhammad was a pedophile...it is in the Koran.

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2013-09-05 09:24:41 AM

skozlaw: The United States is not a unique beacon of wide-ranging freedom in the world anymore. Hasn't been for a good century or more in many cases. Lots of other countries have decided that we got it pretty well right and followed suit.


But many of those countries are only instituted any protections through rule of law, or recognition of the UN treaty. Also a great deal of those countries on that list you provided only practice those protections sporadically, and also often have additional laws on the books that allow for suspension of that protection under specific instances. Also many do not apply to the press as well, which limits speech further.

Yes, we are a big ole shining beacon and are unique in that sense.

Even in the UK, you speech through the press can be limited by the government where as here we can almost print any god damn thing you want. Has that been eroded over the years, yes at times, but even then we still have more protections that most of the world.
 
2013-09-05 09:27:55 AM

Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?


Comparing that to blasphemy laws is very weak.

I don't agree with those laws but it takes a special kind of stupid to say "anything that may hurt the feelings of people about their fairy tales is illegal" is the same, or even in the same ballpark as denying historical facts.
 
2013-09-05 09:28:34 AM
Be excessively happy with each other
 
2013-09-05 09:28:57 AM

skozlaw: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Prove him wrong.

Boy that was hard

Lots of countries, particularly developed countries, recognize wide-ranging free speech rights and many others have sorts of "transitional" free speech that is fairly broad with a few specific restrictions (typically regarding religion).

The United States is not a unique beacon of wide-ranging freedom in the world anymore. Hasn't been for a good century or more in many cases. Lots of other countries have decided that we got it pretty well right and followed suit.


And, actually, looking at the list more closely, it seems a lot of restrictions around the world that are codified as exceptions to free speech are things that you can be prosecuted or sued for in the U.S. as well by way of court rulings. Slander, disseminating certain types of pornography (e.g. child pornography), inciting a panic, inciting violence, etc.
 
2013-09-05 09:29:48 AM

doubled99: Allah is gay.
Well, unless you're a hateful bigot who believes homosexuality is wrong somehow, I don't see how this is offensive


Idi Amin and Hitler are in heaven chatting with Mother Theresa.
Idi and Joe are there because they thought they were doing the right thing and didn't know right from wrong so, no foul.

I love this kind of thing - I believe it's called "Cultural Studies" or "British Cultural Studies " but I could be wrong.  Seriously, it's interesting to me because it has a far different take on subjects using the traditional line of thought.
Beautiful thinking.
 
2013-09-05 09:30:19 AM
Their spokesman is not amused:

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2013-09-05 09:30:26 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.


The founding fathers didn't realize what would become of the first amendment and how much trouble it would cause. We would be so much better off if there were more regulations, or if it were just repealed.
 
2013-09-05 09:30:31 AM
Did you blasphemers notice the photo of the naked woman doing yoga upside down while breastfeeding at the bottom of the page with the headline "Naked breastfeeding yoga mom photo 'not staged?"
 
2013-09-05 09:30:39 AM

Eps05: Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?

Does "other crimes against humanity" includes the Armenian genocide?


Wow that was out of left field. No really, I rarely see that used. Not that I think it's pertinent to all countries and speech laws but its nice to see (that sounds odd) it recognized.
 
2013-09-05 09:33:52 AM
No no no no no. Jesus was gay, Allah was a pedophile. Both have ample proof from the texts they are implied to have actually existed.
 
2013-09-05 09:38:02 AM
Allah = God.... so, they were insulting their own diety? hardly likely, far more likely is that they are embracing homosexuality and showing that even gid can be gay so there is nothing wrong with it
 
2013-09-05 09:38:17 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Even in the UK, you speech through the press can be limited by the government where as here we can almost print any god damn thing you want. Has that been eroded over the years, yes at times, but even then we still have more protections that most of the world.


The standard provided was "the rest of the world technically has a long way to go" and I think that list clearly proves that's not true. Not only does a pretty fair chunk of the world have equal protection or very close to equal protection, most of it appears to have at least partial protection. Even shiatholes like Pakistan have a pretty fair level of freedom by historical standards.

I don't think it's fair to say that the rest of the world has a long way to go to matching our level of freedom of expression. Part of it does, but most of it appears to be at, very near to, or at least partially to our standard.

And even then, when you consider context, a lot of the countries that don't enjoy any or have very few protections have much more fundamental problems that need resolved before they can even start worrying about. It's kind of hard to worry too much about whether or not you can say something mean about your country's leader, after all, while you're half-starved and running from machete wielding tribal lunatics in an African jungle.
 
2013-09-05 09:49:36 AM

skozlaw: It's kind of hard to worry too much about whether or not you can say something mean about your country's leader, after all, while you're half-starved and running from machete wielding tribal lunatics in an African jungle.


Now that I'll agree with, we do tend to gloss over the most basic things. We biatch and moan about having free speech zones when some people worry if they're going to get their head cut off that day.
 
2013-09-05 09:51:21 AM

cubic_spleen: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

According to Republicans, desecrating the flag is blasphemy.
According to Republicans, not saying the pledge of allegiance is blasphemy
According to Republicans, not being a Christian is blasphemy.

Republicans continually try to pass laws to repeal the first amendment.
Republicans want their religion to be the law which all Americans follow.
All Abrahamic-religion fundamentalists are identical.
Therefore, Republicans want to implement Sharia law in America.

QE farking D.


This. If the 'religious right' ever got full control here in America, we'd be no better than Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. And don't say "Well, we DON'T let them have control here, so we're better!", remember that if we "enlightened" foreigners hadn't been constantly dicking with Middle Eastern politics, particularly over the last century, the fundies wouldn't be in power THERE, either.
 
2013-09-05 09:54:09 AM

sendtodave: He never seemed very happy to me. Kinda stern.


well, he ith vewwy thtwick.
 
2013-09-05 09:54:35 AM
I heard Jesus was into prostitutes, heavily.
 
2013-09-05 09:55:07 AM

LordJiro: remember that if we "enlightened" foreigners hadn't been constantly dicking with Middle Eastern politics, particularly over the last century, the fundies wouldn't be in power THERE, either.


This will hopefully be the stupidest thing I read on Fark this week.  Have you read anything about the history of the Middle East?
 
2013-09-05 09:59:08 AM

cubic_spleen: According to Republicans, desecrating the flag is blasphemy.
According to Republicans, not saying the pledge of allegiance is blasphemy
According to Republicans, not being a Christian is blasphemy.

Republicans continually try to pass laws to repeal the first amendment.
Republicans want their religion to be the law which all Americans follow.
All Abrahamic-religion fundamentalists are identical.
Therefore, Republicans want to implement Sharia law in America.


I'm a Republican and I literally disagree with everything you posted.  In fact, saying the pledge of allegiance is a particular pet peeve of mine.  As a state employee, I occasionally attend meetings where we're expected to say it.  It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of and I refuse to do it.
 
2013-09-05 10:04:58 AM
Town apologizes for 'Allah is Gay' bumper sticker, insists what they meant was 'Allah has impeccable taste, just adores show tunes, and is not only a marvelous dancer but has a wardrobe to die for'

As long as they don't misuse the word "fabulous," I'm fine with it.
 
2013-09-05 10:05:53 AM

technofiend: Somacandra: EvilEgg: That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

The following countries have laws that criminalize any speech denying the Holocaust or other crimes against humanity:, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Switzerland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Lithuiania, Luxembourg and Lichenstein. This makes you think these secular and Christian countries have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy too, right?

But the Holocaust actually happened, versus the contents of most holy texts.


So, you are saying, freedom of speech is not for things you cannot prove? In other words, you don't believe in freedom of speech?
 
2013-09-05 10:10:21 AM

Bslim: I heard Jesus was into prostitutes, heavily.


Wasn't he the buzzkill that tried to stop them from getting stoned?
 
2013-09-05 10:11:10 AM
God is gay.
Burn the flag.
 
2013-09-05 10:17:13 AM

stpauler: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law. And he is an educated engineer. That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


The fact that you just referred to Egypt as a Muslim state makes me think you don't know much about the religious diversity of Egypt.
 
2013-09-05 10:20:14 AM

EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.


If they all get to vote the first thing they do is vote in a theocratic dictatorship. The US would never do that.
 
2013-09-05 10:21:55 AM

Government Fromage: IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I was talking with an Egyptian colleague of mine, he was more than a little surprised that the United States didn't have an anti-blasphemy law.  And he is an educated engineer.  That made me think the Muslim states have a long way to go before they are ready for democracy.

One of the most unique things we have here in the states is the 1st amendment. There are very few protections for speech elsewhere in the world while here it's protection is considered tantamount to a functioning democratic republic. So in that regard, the rest of the world technically has a long way to go.

The founding fathers didn't realize what would become of the first amendment and how much trouble it would cause. We would be so much better off if there were more regulations, or if it were just repealed.

 
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