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(Washington Times)   Senate resolution for WW3 includes boots on the ground. So much for just a few missile strikes   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 287
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2013-09-04 04:16:00 PM
Hah, you've got to be kidding subby. TFA clearly states the senate resolution specifically denies the opportunity for Obama to put boots on the ground, unless he uses the "loophole" in the poorly structured legal language written into the bill to push his powers beyond the scopw of what was duly authorized by congress.

And we all know that no modern president would unilaterally decide to strike a foreign nation and potentially embroil us in a long protracted war, nor would a modern president use the opportunities presented by poorly crafted language to expand the powers of the executive office.
 
2013-09-04 04:17:10 PM
How entirely predictable.
 
2013-09-04 04:17:27 PM
I forget. Is Times or Post the derpy one?

/I didn't even bother reading. The last article I read said the resolution strictly forbid boots on the ground.
//I suppose they might mean it included the phrase, "boots on the ground", and neglected to mention that it was preceded by "no"
 
2013-09-04 04:17:39 PM
Looking like a fool with your boots on the ground.
 
2013-09-04 04:18:15 PM
"Cotton: I am in support of Obama" Arkansas GOP calls for Republican party to support strike. So it will take a war to get us to all agree? Jeesh.

Cotton "It is a miracle, but I am on board." So now war is a miracle? I thought life was the GOP miracle?
 
2013-09-04 04:18:43 PM
as long as the first to go are the hawks.
 
2013-09-04 04:19:08 PM

Pinner: Looking like a fool with your boots on the ground.


biatch done stole my line.
 
2013-09-04 04:19:32 PM
Chris Matthews seems to think that Democrats need to support Syria action to save Obama's hide

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/chris-matthews-syria-congre ss -vote_n_3865117.html
 
2013-09-04 04:19:42 PM
Economy slumping, start a war to kill off the poor.
 
2013-09-04 04:19:57 PM

ZoeNekros: I forget. Is Times or Post the derpy one?


Yes.
 
2013-09-04 04:20:34 PM

Pinner: Looking like a fool with your boots on the ground.


^^^

What you said
 
2013-09-04 04:20:51 PM
This ain't Iraq... Syria actually has soldiers, and some pretty big behind-the-scenes supporters...
 
2013-09-04 04:21:06 PM
A computer generated depiction of what "boots on the ground" may look like:


www.outsidethebeltway.com
 
2013-09-04 04:21:11 PM

Ned Stark: How entirely predictable.


What, that the headline is bullsh*t? Yeah, that's predictable.
 
2013-09-04 04:22:40 PM

ZoeNekros: I forget. Is Times or Post the derpy one?

/I didn't even bother reading. The last article I read said the resolution strictly forbid boots on the ground.
//I suppose they might mean it included the phrase, "boots on the ground", and neglected to mention that it was preceded by "no"


Its the one you don't agree with.
 
2013-09-04 04:22:49 PM
I wish Cotton would stfu.

/Arkansan
//didn't vote for him
 
2013-09-04 04:22:55 PM
War, huh yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, oh hoh, oh
War huh yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, say it again y'all
War, huh good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

Oh, war, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives
War means tear to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go off to fight and lose their lives

I said
War, huh good God y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, just say it again
War whoa Lord
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me
War, it ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker

Oh war, is an enemy to all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest within the younger generation
Induction, then destruction who wants to die

War, good God, y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, say it, say it, say it
War, uh huh, yeah, huh
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me
War, it ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker
War, it's got one friend that's the undertaker

Oh, war has shattered many young man's dreams
Made him disabled bitter and mean
Life is much to short and precious to spend fighting wars these days
War can't give life it can only take it away, ooh

War, huh, good God y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, say it again
War, whoa, Lord
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me
War, it ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker

Peace love and understanding tell me
Is there no place for them today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there's got to be a better way

War, huh, good God y'all
What is it good for?
You tell 'em, say it, say it, say it, say it
War, good Lord, huh
What is it good for?
Stand up and shout it, nothing
War, it ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker
 
2013-09-04 04:23:18 PM
Well, clearly they are serious about getting the national debt under control.

No doubt our fiscally-minded Senate included language that imposes a progressive war tax to pay for any escalation in conflict... right?
 
2013-09-04 04:23:26 PM
Lawyers arguing over legal drafting, fascinating.  Short version is that the Senate is working on an AUMF that is weird because the whole area of War Powers law is twisted around.  Vague language about tailored action and some time limits.  The President reserves the right to do more or less whatever he wants with the military, so the decision to bring in the Congress is political, not legal.  Remember when Bush admin lawyers argued that the Iraq II AUMF authorized enhanced interrogation techniques at Gitmo?

This draft AUMF would recite that ""the president has authority under the Constitution to use force in order to defend the national security interests of the United States" something the law profs say is a huge concession by Congress, but you could argue it merely recognizes what has become the reality.
 
2013-09-04 04:23:55 PM
So it mandates boots on the ground. It doesn't say they have to have feet in them.
 
2013-09-04 04:23:58 PM
The APE-PAC gets what it wants. Always.

Putin is at the center of this.Assad has been his proxy Jihadi fighter in the south.If Assad goes, here is what and who will happen in Syria:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/syria-war-rebels-chec hnya-islamic-militants_n_2821197.htmlChechens. Muslim militants.This is why Putin has been helping Assad for so long. Syria is a virtual Russian satellite nation.If the United States assists the rebels, there you go.Putin won't let that happen, fark no.Therefore we have what we have now, which is Putin saying he wants a UN resolution but not allowing a UN resolution to go forward.Putin plays chess with the whole board.Obama is playing checkers.When Obama moves on to his next free lunch, Putin will still be there, calling the shots.
 
2013-09-04 04:24:42 PM
It's the opposite of true, which is the worst kind of true.
 
2013-09-04 04:24:43 PM
Just look at that comments section....
 
2013-09-04 04:24:47 PM

clkeagle: Well, clearly they are serious about getting the national debt under control.

No doubt our fiscally-minded Senate included language that imposes a progressive war tax to pay for any escalation in conflict... right?


Kerry said the Arabs were going to finance it
 
2013-09-04 04:25:07 PM

Elegy: Hah, you've got to be kidding subby. TFA clearly states the senate resolution specifically denies the opportunity for Obama to put boots on the ground, unless he uses the "loophole" in the poorly structured legal language written into the bill to push his powers beyond the scopw of what was duly authorized by congress.


Boots are on the ground, meat.
The 1st Armored Division is in Jordan and has been since spring.
 
2013-09-04 04:25:15 PM
I wish Congress would have said, "nah, we dont think we are going to approve your request."

Let the president decide what he wants to do from there.
 
2013-09-04 04:26:39 PM
So your saying "Mission accomplished"...
 
2013-09-04 04:27:24 PM
*wiggles*
 
2013-09-04 04:27:27 PM
Legally, Obama doesn't even have to ask Congress to put boots on the ground, let alone launch missiles at them. Putting it to a congressional vote is an extreme courtesy. I don't see what the fark you're all complaining about. You've gotten more than you should've expected and our representative democracy is at work (so Syria can know well in advance precisely when we're striking and they have plenty of time to prepare.)
 
2013-09-04 04:27:56 PM
Next up: US ground forces forced to fight in flip flops.

/thanks Bootbama
 
2013-09-04 04:28:07 PM
We would cause more damage dropping explosive bombs on the ground rather than boots.

Dropping boots from planes seems a little silly. "Random Task" the pilot?
 
2013-09-04 04:28:30 PM
Boot-Gate
 
2013-09-04 04:29:25 PM
i.imgur.com

SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT.  Unless you're...
 
2013-09-04 04:29:41 PM
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
 
2013-09-04 04:29:56 PM

RealAmericanHero: Legally, Obama doesn't even have to ask Congress to put boots on the ground, let alone launch missiles at them. Putting it to a congressional vote is an extreme courtesyexample of political maneuvering. I don't see what the fark you're all complaining about. You've gotten more than you should've expected and our representative democracy is at work (so Syria can know well in advance precisely when we're striking and they have plenty of time to prepare.)


FTFY
 
2013-09-04 04:30:01 PM
Looks like Al Qaeda now has the most advanced navy in the world

static.ddmcdn.com
 
2013-09-04 04:30:03 PM
hope and change
 
2013-09-04 04:30:17 PM

RealAmericanHero: Legally, Obama doesn't even have to ask Congress to put boots on the ground, let alone launch missiles at them. Putting it to a congressional vote is an extreme courtesy. I don't see what the fark you're all complaining about. You've gotten more than you should've expected and our representative democracy is at work (so Syria can know well in advance precisely when we're striking and they have plenty of time to prepare.)


Police action is a lovely work around.
 
2013-09-04 04:30:21 PM
So let me get this straight.  We are going to Syria to attack them for using Chemical Weapons on the Rebels...basically assisting the Rebels in their fight against the government and the Rebels are: Al Qaeda the very group that has been responsible for multiple attacks including attacking the United States... incidentally this is the same Group we supported in the Afghanistan/Russian dust up and they attacked up later using the training and ideas we gave them...so I guess we've come full circle now!
 
2013-09-04 04:30:59 PM
I guess Obama will be returning that Nobel Peace Prize since he's not using it anymore.
 
2013-09-04 04:32:15 PM

barkingatthemoon: So let me get this straight.  We are going to Syria to attack them for using Chemical Weapons on the Rebels...basically assisting the Rebels in their fight against the government and the Rebels are: Al Qaeda the very group that has been responsible for multiple attacks including attacking the United States... incidentally this is the same Group we supported in the Afghanistan/Russian dust up and they attacked up later using the training and ideas we gave them...so I guess we've come full circle now!


Their are multiple rebel groups that are fighting the government. There are pro-west rebel groups and anti-west rebel groups fighting.
 
2013-09-04 04:32:16 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Elegy: Hah, you've got to be kidding subby. TFA clearly states the senate resolution specifically denies the opportunity for Obama to put boots on the ground, unless he uses the "loophole" in the poorly structured legal language written into the bill to push his powers beyond the scopw of what was duly authorized by congress.

Boots are on the ground, meat.
The 1st Armored Division is in Jordan and has been since spring.


No, it isn't. There are 900 personnel in Jordan; the rest left after the annual multilateral exercise in June. We've got some Patriot batteries and a couple Air Force squadrons; that's it.
 
2013-09-04 04:32:21 PM

WhoopAssWayne: I guess Obama will be returning that Nobel Peace Prize since he's not using it anymore.


He's going to smack a biatch with it
 
2013-09-04 04:32:23 PM
images.wikia.com
 
2013-09-04 04:32:52 PM
No "boots on the ground" just sneakers.  It's totally different.
 
2013-09-04 04:32:56 PM

barkingatthemoon: So let me get this straight.  We are going to Syria to attack them for using Chemical Weapons on the Rebels...basically assisting the Rebels in their fight against the government and the Rebels are: Al Qaeda the very group that has been responsible for multiple attacks including attacking the United States... incidentally this is the same Group we supported in the Afghanistan/Russian dust up and they attacked up later using the training and ideas we gave them...so I guess we've come full circle now!


Why would Assad use chemical weapons.  It makes no sense to me.  I am suggesting he didnt but it seems like a stupid move considering Obama made chemical weapons "The Red Line."  Why would he want to force the US' hand?
 
2013-09-04 04:33:19 PM
I hope the first platoon that goes into combat in Syria consists of the sons and daughters of US Senators. And that they are led by the 1rst Regimental British Petroleum Combat Engineers.
 
2013-09-04 04:33:48 PM
 This was decided over 20 years ago.    Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Next is Yemen and then Iran completes the mission.
 
2013-09-04 04:34:04 PM

paygun: hope and change


well, we got the second one anyway...
 
2013-09-04 04:34:55 PM
Oh boy...
 
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