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(Fox News)   McCain pulls his support for Obama's Syria strike. His reason? NOT ENOUGH BOOM   (foxnews.com) divider line 174
    More: Obvious, Sen. John McCain, President Obama, White House in Washington, Bob Menendez, House Foreign Affairs Committee, 2011-2012 Syrian uprising, Bob Corker, Senate Foreign Relations Committee  
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2013-09-04 12:31:55 PM
That crazy old bastard is all over the map.  Clearly he's senile.
 
2013-09-04 12:39:12 PM
McCain pulls his support for Obama'sCongress' Syria strike

I know it's hard to understand.
 
2013-09-04 12:47:53 PM
It just keeps getting better

/should have bought stock in Orville Redenbacher
 
2013-09-04 12:52:40 PM
Old man yells for mushroom cloud
 
2013-09-04 01:14:16 PM
McCain is getting old, he'd like to take the entire world with him when he goes.
 
2013-09-04 01:17:06 PM
Did he win that last hand, though?
 
2013-09-04 02:03:59 PM
Well if you going to go, go full blast. Johnny lived though a war we tried to conduct with kid gloves.
 
2013-09-04 02:04:47 PM
What a piece of crap this guy is.
 
2013-09-04 02:05:08 PM
It's all about wording, not the end result.
 
2013-09-04 02:06:29 PM
New from K-Tel, It's John McCain's Greatest Hits, with selections like "Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran" and "Who Put The BOOM in the BOOM sha BOOM Syria BOOM"


/I've lost my touch.
 
2013-09-04 02:09:58 PM
You could see this coming in yesterday's questions. Republicans were on both sides. "Should we be going in there at all?", along with "shouldn't we be doing more?".

Called this yesterday. Me and the misses were laughing at the absurdity.
 
2013-09-04 02:35:09 PM
Well, yeah, since "bomb bomb bomb, bomb Syria" just doesn't have the same *zing*.
 
2013-09-04 02:36:59 PM
Ah Senator. Just what I expect.
 
2013-09-04 02:40:59 PM
GET BACK TO PLAYING VIDEO POKER OLD MAN!
 
2013-09-04 02:46:35 PM
Yes, if you're going to invade Syria, you'd better go all-in!
 
2013-09-04 02:54:59 PM
this keeps getting nuttier and nuttier
 
2013-09-04 03:06:09 PM
McCain said Wednesday afternoon he wants to see a provision that states U.S. action must be aimed at a "reversal of momentum on the ground."

None of this makes any goddamn sense to me. So you'd like to remove Assad from power. Okay, who replaces him? Do we have any reasonable idea of what a rebel coalition would look like once installed in power? I sure hope we do, since it's likely that their words will be BACKED WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS once they take over.

Meanwhile, SOS Kerry is warning that Syria could "implode", and that we'll need to send in ground troops to go secure said chemical weapons in that event. So tell me how bombing anything is going to prevent this "implosion" scenario. Weakening the party that seems to have the upper hand in the civil war will drag out the conflict, furthering the chance that any form of established government will crumble and ending up with Barter Town.

This whole thing is completely idiotic. But multinational defense contractors and PMCs need to get paid, I guess.
 
2013-09-04 03:07:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well if you going to go, go full blast. Johnny lived though a war we tried to conduct with kid gloves.


I'm pretty sure anyone actually living in Vietnam at the time would disagree with the "kid gloves" assessment.
 
2013-09-04 03:10:38 PM
Doesn't McCain have an app for the card game Bridge he could be playing?
 
2013-09-04 03:11:56 PM

Cagey B: But multinational defense contractors and PMCs need to get paid, I guess.


Do you have evidence of defense contractors lobbying congress for this war?
 
2013-09-04 03:12:49 PM
Notice the question that no one, including supposed fiscal hawk Republicans in the House, is asking? HOW MUCH WILL THIS STUPID THING COST?
 
2013-09-04 03:13:22 PM

Cagey B: So you'd like to remove Assad from power.


That would be awful. It's better to hit him in a punitive strike, but don't change the regime. He's a dick, but I'm more scared of what comes after him. McCain's a dumbass if he's asking for a regime change in Syria.
 
2013-09-04 03:15:02 PM

DamnYankees: Notice the question that no one, including supposed fiscal hawk Republicans in the House, is asking? HOW MUCH WILL THIS STUPID THING COST?


This Syria argument is so check-mated by bullshiat, its amazing.
 
2013-09-04 03:16:20 PM

Party Boy: DamnYankees: Notice the question that no one, including supposed fiscal hawk Republicans in the House, is asking? HOW MUCH WILL THIS STUPID THING COST?

This Syria argument is so check-mated by bullshiat, its amazing.


I'd still like to know if we're going to have to pay for what we break
 
2013-09-04 03:18:37 PM

Party Boy: DamnYankees: Notice the question that no one, including supposed fiscal hawk Republicans in the House, is asking? HOW MUCH WILL THIS STUPID THING COST?

This Syria argument is so check-mated by bullshiat, its amazing.


I've honestly lost track of what the actual reason Obama wants this stupid war is. Like, the only arguments I'm hearing are 100% bullshiat. I can't even find the real reason.
 
2013-09-04 03:22:29 PM

DamnYankees: I've honestly lost track of what the actual reason Obama wants this stupid war is. Like, the only arguments I'm hearing are 100% bullshiat. I can't even find the real reason.


I dont think its fully discernable, yet.  Here is one track of that
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Theres a lot of twists and turns going on, and I'm going to want a little time to get some space to figure out whats happening.   I'm missing context and a bigger picture.
 
2013-09-04 03:23:17 PM
discernible
 
2013-09-04 03:29:54 PM

DamnYankees: Party Boy: DamnYankees: Notice the question that no one, including supposed fiscal hawk Republicans in the House, is asking? HOW MUCH WILL THIS STUPID THING COST?

This Syria argument is so check-mated by bullshiat, its amazing.

I've honestly lost track of what the actual reason Obama wants this stupid war is. Like, the only arguments I'm hearing are 100% bullshiat. I can't even find the real reason.


Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.
 
2013-09-04 03:33:33 PM

vernonFL: Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.


In other words, someone did in fact break the taboo 30 years ago and was not punished for it, and it did not lead to a massive outbreak of chemical weapon usage.

Also, I just find this hard to believe. There are plenty of other international norms we don't give a shiat about. How about, you know, not torturing people? Or the basic international norm of not starting wars? Those seem like worth defending also.
 
2013-09-04 03:35:08 PM

vernonFL: Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.


The morality argument, especially considering the relationship with the US and Saddam, I dont know... eh.
 
2013-09-04 03:37:36 PM

DamnYankees: you know, not torturing people?


Nah.  Those events get turned into Hollywood blockbusters of distorted history and they get five Academy Award nominations.
 
2013-09-04 03:38:35 PM
Hey rambo mccain, war's over.
 
2013-09-04 03:39:16 PM
He thought they were talking about the World Series of Poker when he was asked for his support.
 
2013-09-04 03:39:20 PM

vernonFL: Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.


Enforcement of international treaties by individual countries acting without a mandate is a horrible idea.
 
2013-09-04 03:40:29 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.

In other words, someone did in fact break the taboo 30 years ago and was not punished for it, and it did not lead to a massive outbreak of chemical weapon usage.

Also, I just find this hard to believe. There are plenty of other international norms we don't give a shiat about. How about, you know, not torturing people? Or the basic international norm of not starting wars? Those seem like worth defending also.


Yeah, but one could argue that Saddam ultimately was punished for his WMD use- and as for U. S. torture, I fully support war crimes charges for Bush admin officials(and Obama too if warranted)
 
2013-09-04 03:40:30 PM
He lost a prop bet on "Stars, so now he has to vote against bombing.
 
2013-09-04 03:41:10 PM
We're getting very close to throwing a war in which nobody comes.
 
2013-09-04 03:41:49 PM
Snickers bars and beef jerky for some, little American flags for all.
 
2013-09-04 03:43:11 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: Obama wants to send a message and continue a precedent, that chemical weapons use is unacceptable. Since WW2, that has been the case, chemical weapons use is banned. The only person who has broken that taboo was Saddam Hussein.

In other words, someone did in fact break the taboo 30 years ago and was not punished for it, and it did not lead to a massive outbreak of chemical weapon usage.

Also, I just find this hard to believe. There are plenty of other international norms we don't give a shiat about. How about, you know, not torturing people? Or the basic international norm of not starting wars? Those seem like worth defending also.


You're right. Operation Desert Storm and economic sanctions are clearly "not punished".
 
2013-09-04 03:43:12 PM

Walker: GET BACK TO PLAYING VIDEO POKER OLD MAN!


This.  He's afraid a war would interrupt his poker game.
 
2013-09-04 03:43:19 PM

Party Boy: Cagey B: But multinational defense contractors and PMCs need to get paid, I guess.

Do you have evidence of defense contractors lobbying congress for this war?


No, I don't. It's not likely that anyone would, given our attitude towards campaign finance disclosure or just straight-up bribery. I do know who benefits from seemingly-pointless military engagements, though, and "continuation of the military-industrial complex cycle" is, in my mind, the only rational explanation for what's going on.

Certain entities with a demonstrated history of influencing government policy need armed conflict. It's a wonderful wealth transfer tool.
 
2013-09-04 03:43:25 PM
Make up your mind you senile old bastard.
 
2013-09-04 03:43:32 PM
Not enough boom?

Fix by more dakka.
 
2013-09-04 03:43:57 PM
Lets liberate North Korea, take their army to Syria, and tell them that they are there to invade the US.

2 problems solved.
 
2013-09-04 03:44:03 PM
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-09-04 03:44:47 PM

max_pooper: You're right. Operation Desert Storm and economic sanctions are clearly "not punished".


You think those things were a direct result of Saddam gassing Iranians? Are you serious?
 
2013-09-04 03:45:09 PM

Son of Thunder: Not enough boom?


Indeed.  That chick will not get busy in a Burger King bathroom.  So sir, she will NOT.
 
2013-09-04 03:46:11 PM
So it was approved and we still have hazy and ill-defined goals.  Great work, guys.
 
2013-09-04 03:46:40 PM

max_pooper: You're right. Operation Desert Storm and economic sanctions are clearly "not punished".


Desert Storm was a response to the invasion and annexation of Kuwait. Not gassing Iran.
 
2013-09-04 03:46:48 PM
Came here for the pic of McCain playing poker on his iPhone.  Leaving satisfied.

//I laughed like hell when I saw that this morning.
 
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