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(Some Guy)   TX Fire Marshal: "You think maybe we can inspect your fertilizer plant so a situation like the West explosion doesn't happen again?" Fertilizer plant owner: "No, please get off our property." Fire Marshal: "Sure thing. Sorry to bother you"   (mbtmag.com) divider line 88
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2013-09-04 10:44:42 AM
Texas = the inmates are running the asylum.
 
2013-09-04 10:55:08 AM
Texas deserves these explosions.  This is what they voted for, and it makes no sense that people are complaining now.  You didn't care enough about people to enforce regulations designed to protect them, so...  enjoy it.  I'm sure your businesses will be wildly profitable and the CEOs will rewar...  well...  Maybe they'll throw a picnic or something to show their gratitude. 

You know, that is if you're not vaporized down to your constituent atoms in the next inevitable explosion.
 
2013-09-04 10:57:37 AM
Faaaaake.

/No businessman in Texas says "please".
 
2013-09-04 11:04:50 AM

Vodka Zombie: Texas deserves these explosions.  This is what they voted for, and it makes no sense that people are complaining now.  You didn't care enough about people to enforce regulations designed to protect them, so...  enjoy it.  I'm sure your businesses will be wildly profitable and the CEOs will rewar...  well...  Maybe they'll throw a picnic or something to show their gratitude.

You know, that is if you're not vaporized down to your constituent atoms in the next inevitable explosion.


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/Obligatory
 
2013-09-04 11:06:26 AM
 
2013-09-04 11:21:55 AM
If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.
 
2013-09-04 11:23:51 AM
Um, libertarians told me that the market would do the right thing.

Check mate, libs.
 
2013-09-04 11:31:54 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.


Or at least be able to disclose which plants refused to allow him to do a safety inspection.  I'd certainly want to know if the fertilizer plant down the road was liable to attempt a moon launch.
 
2013-09-04 12:03:27 PM
Regulators and state lawmakers at a hearing about the still-unsolved explosion were intrigued by the lack of cooperation.

Huh, Their just saying "No?" Why would you think they do that? Welp, as a law maker there really isn't anything I could do about it.
 
2013-09-04 12:04:17 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.


FTA:There is no state fire code in Texas. The state fire marshal's office lacks the power to make unannounced inspections of local businesses, nor does the office have the authority to compel local facilities to open its doors.
 
2013-09-04 12:11:49 PM

lockers: The My Little Pony Killer: If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.

FTA:There is no state fire code in Texas. The state fire marshal's office lacks the power to make unannounced inspections of local businesses, nor does the office have the authority to compel local facilities to open its doors.


I've got to get out of this state.
 
2013-09-04 12:37:30 PM
To be fair, there's no need to inspect it, it's pretty clear the plant isn't safe. It did explode.greenpeaceblogs.org
 
2013-09-04 12:40:24 PM
"In their defense, they may have a very good reason," [State Fire Marshal] Connealy said.

Texas, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-09-04 12:57:01 PM

Rev.K: Um, libertarians told me that the market would do the right thing.

Check mate, libs.


People will want to buy fertilizer made in plants that don't explode and kill people.
Companies that resell fertilizer made in exploding/killing plants will then go out of business (as soon as people figure out how to track where the fertilizer was manufactured).
Also, who wants to run chemical plants that explode? It's in the companies' best interest to not have their plant explode, they will self-regulate.
Workers have a choice to work in plants that aren't prone to explosion. People can live anywhere they want. The school was close to the explosion because the government put it there - are these really the people you want running your life for you?
The market will correct this eventually. Better to have a few casualties than some bureaucrat taking away the freedom to create incredibly dangerous conditions for people in and around your small business.

Most important thing is to make sure Texas has good enough tort reform that the explosion didn't create 15 lottery ticket winners.

//or, "look at all the regulation there is, and it still exploded"
//government should only enforce contracts
 
2013-09-04 01:01:49 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Rev.K: Um, libertarians told me that the market would do the right thing.

Check mate, libs.

People will want to buy fertilizer made in plants that don't explode and kill people.
Companies that resell fertilizer made in exploding/killing plants will then go out of business (as soon as people figure out how to track where the fertilizer was manufactured).
Also, who wants to run chemical plants that explode? It's in the companies' best interest to not have their plant explode, they will self-regulate.
Workers have a choice to work in plants that aren't prone to explosion. People can live anywhere they want. The school was close to the explosion because the government put it there - are these really the people you want running your life for you?
The market will correct this eventually. Better to have a few casualties than some bureaucrat taking away the freedom to create incredibly dangerous conditions for people in and around your small business.

Most important thing is to make sure Texas has good enough tort reform that the explosion didn't create 15 lottery ticket winners.

//or, "look at all the regulation there is, and it still exploded"
//government should only enforce contracts


10/10
 
2013-09-04 01:01:53 PM

Karac: The My Little Pony Killer: If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.

Or at least be able to disclose which plants refused to allow him to do a safety inspection.  I'd certainly want to know if the fertilizer plant down the road was liable to attempt a moon launch.


Naww, we've got SpaceX for that. They're out in the boondocks around McGregor, so they can blow up REEAAL GOOD.

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2013-09-04 01:02:28 PM
It's Texas, who honestly cares? Let them become horde of ignorant, inbred bible thumpers without church-approved medical care. Once that happens all the businesses will up and leave for states that aren't filled with Southerners more willing to shoot Mexicans on the spot than read a book.
 
2013-09-04 01:02:39 PM
Bhopal in Texas is going to be interesting.
 
2013-09-04 01:02:52 PM

Chariset: lockers: The My Little Pony Killer: If inspections are refused, then the Fire Marshall needs to shut these plants down.

FTA:There is no state fire code in Texas. The state fire marshal's office lacks the power to make unannounced inspections of local businesses, nor does the office have the authority to compel local facilities to open its doors.

I've got to get out of this state.


Wait a few minutes and you may get out a lot faster than you planned
 
2013-09-04 01:02:55 PM
Testifying to the House Committee on Homeland Security and Public Safety, Connealy said his office has completed about 60 inspections and aim to finish the rest by October. He said he did not know why five facilities wouldn't let inspectors inside.

"They just didn't want the fire marshal to come on the property," he said.


That sounds legit, and not sketchy at all.

There is no state fire code in Texas. The state fire marshal's office lacks the power to make unannounced inspections of local businesses, nor does the office have the authority to compel local facilities to open its doors.

FIRE CODES AREN'T IN THE CONSTITUTION!!
 
2013-09-04 01:05:48 PM
The plant owner was just exercising his constitutional rights to not be regulated by the Government in order to create jobs.
 
2013-09-04 01:05:58 PM
I see they're going with the classic "wait for Rick Perry to pray things better" strategy. Keep it up, Texas. Make the rest of us look intelligent by comparison! Not so fast, South Carolina...
 
2013-09-04 01:06:08 PM
Idiocracy
 
2013-09-04 01:07:17 PM
Hypothetically, if the worst happened -- Would refusing an inspection expose the owner to the risk of wrongful death lawsuits should the plant blow up and kill people? Or would all the Tort "Reform" and limited liability corporation shiat keep him fat and happy and wealthy?
 
2013-09-04 01:07:45 PM
In a capitalist economic model, this is how it should be.  What's the problem?
 
2013-09-04 01:08:30 PM
Could the Department of Homeland Security step in where the state government won't?  DHS has no inhibitions about harassing other people for buying and selling chemicals, even when they are in compliance with the laws.  And since the DHS (and the Patriot Act) were created not just by Republicans but by  Texas Republicans, Texans should have no objection to them doing as they damn well please.
 
2013-09-04 01:08:36 PM
Freedumb.
 
2013-09-04 01:09:33 PM
Teacher: "Jimmy, can you spell 'relief'?"
Jimmy: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S."
Teacher: "Very good.  Johnny, can you spell 'dumbasses'?"
Johnny: "T-E-X-A-N-S."
Teacher: "Very good."

/says the guy from FL
 
2013-09-04 01:09:59 PM
And Florida is the state with its own tag?
 
2013-09-04 01:10:30 PM
Regulations weren't usually created so that a weaselly little bureaucrat could have a job, they usually were created as a result of flagrant abuses of the system. Removing them tends to eventually lead to the conditions that were the reasons for the regulations in the first place.

Case in point, the explosion in West.
 
2013-09-04 01:10:41 PM

flondrix: Could the Department of Homeland Security step in where the state government won't?  DHS has no inhibitions about harassing other people for buying and selling chemicals, even when they are in compliance with the laws.  And since the DHS (and the Patriot Act) were created not just by Republicans but by  Texas Republicans, Texans should have no objection to them doing as they damn well please.


Arguably, the Texas government could be classified as a terrorist organization
 
2013-09-04 01:12:07 PM
So when people claim Texas will be purple in ten years, is it because they believe the reds will stupid themselves into extinction?
 
2013-09-04 01:13:14 PM

Paris1127: To be fair, there's no need to inspect it, it's pretty clear the plant isn't safe. It did explode.[greenpeaceblogs.org image 600x400]


That was some really poor city planning. Why not put an orphanage in the top floor of the dynamite factory and a daycare center in the middle of alligator pit while you're at it?
 
2013-09-04 01:14:44 PM

NeverDrunk23: So when people claim Texas will be purple in ten years, is it because they believe the reds will stupid themselves into extinction?


One can only hope.
 
2013-09-04 01:17:44 PM

Rev.K: Um, libertarians told me that the market would do the right thing.

Check mate, libs.


This.

Inspecting dangerous industrial facilities to reduce the risk to the general population is one step away from Stalin.
 
2013-09-04 01:18:50 PM
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2013-09-04 01:19:19 PM

mod3072: Paris1127: To be fair, there's no need to inspect it, it's pretty clear the plant isn't safe. It did explode.[greenpeaceblogs.org image 600x400]

That was some really poor city planning. Why not put an orphanage in the top floor of the dynamite factory and a daycare center in the middle of alligator pit while you're at it?


It looks like both of those buildings are almost 80% of a mile away from the chemical plant; about 4,000 whole FEET!

What more do you pussy libs want? All schools get covered in bubble-wrap and every nursing home surrounded by feet-thick concrete?
 
2013-09-04 01:21:25 PM

alizeran: [img850.imageshack.us image 400x596]


What the heck? Please tell me that's a photoshop.
 
2013-09-04 01:23:51 PM
There is no state fire code in Texas.

Well there's your problem right there.
 
2013-09-04 01:30:18 PM

Vodka Zombie: Texas deserves these explosions.  This is what they voted for, and it makes no sense that people are complaining now.  You didn't care enough about people to enforce regulations designed to protect them, so...  enjoy it.  I'm sure your businesses will be wildly profitable and the CEOs will rewar...  well...  Maybe they'll throw a picnic or something to show their gratitude.


CSB:

Years ago, I worked at a company where the slave-driving owners decided to throw a picnic in the factory parking lot to celebrate the company's 50th year of existence and introduce the next generation of their families that would run things when the current owners retired.  You would think that the picnic was given to show appreciation to the workers but it was more like an ego stroke event for the Powers That Be and their idiot sons, people that could f*ck up a crowbar.

I laughed my ass off (biting a hole in my lip to contain the chuckles, of course) when most of the plant workers came out into the parking lot, got into their cars, trucks, vans, etc., and left to have lunch elsewhere.  I have to admit: the food was good.

Two years after I left that hellhole, the owners gave control to their sons and retired.  The new regime proceeded to run the company into the ground like a drunk pilot crashing a plane into the tarmac.  The remains of the company were eventually sold to a larger fish in the industry.

You reap what you sow, b*tches.

End CSB.
 
2013-09-04 01:30:45 PM
This is the sort of thing that made me smile when all those Texans blew up.  As God has demonstrated statistically over the millennium, the price for stupidity is death.  The death of stupid people makes God smile and he smiles broadly upon Texas.
 
2013-09-04 01:31:09 PM
There is no state fire code in Texas

Wow.

Hey, who wants to make bank opening up a chain of stripclubs in Texas built out of old shipping containers?
 
2013-09-04 01:34:41 PM
So do these companies operate without fire insurance?
 
2013-09-04 01:36:23 PM
Why move your company to some third world hellhole to avoid regulations when you can move it to Texas?
 
2013-09-04 01:36:24 PM
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2013-09-04 01:38:39 PM

mod3072: Paris1127: To be fair, there's no need to inspect it, it's pretty clear the plant isn't safe. It did explode.[greenpeaceblogs.org image 600x400]

That was some really poor city planning. Why not put an orphanage in the top floor of the dynamite factory and a daycare center in the middle of alligator pit while you're at it?


The plant was lying about how much and what exactly they had on hand in the first place.  The worst case scenario for what they claimed to have was to stay in doors and/or leave because it will smell really bad and make you sick if you breath too much (anhydrous ammonia).
 
2013-09-04 01:43:56 PM
Just burn the whole state down and start over. Or give them back to the Mexicans as reparations.
 
2013-09-04 01:45:15 PM

Walker: There is no state fire code in Texas.

Well there's your problem right there.


Especially how often in Texas the stupid, it burns.
 
2013-09-04 01:46:41 PM
Situation 1: Public safety officials show up at a big business they have no legal authority to search.  Their request to enter is denied so they leave.

Situation 2: Public safety officials show up at a home of a non-wealthy person they have no legal authority to search.  Their request to enter is denied, so the cops kick in their door, taser the occupants and arrest them for obstruction of justice, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest.

Sounds normal to me.
 
2013-09-04 01:46:46 PM

mod3072: That was some really poor city planning. Why not put an orphanage in the top floor of the dynamite factory and a daycare center in the middle of alligator pit while you're at it?


The factory was there first.  If they had been truthful about what they were making and how much, maybe the other facilities would have been forced to build further away.
 
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