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2013-09-04 08:42:59 AM
On a quasi-related point I'm kinda shocked we've made it this far without some elected barely-literate teaderp-spewer utterly missing the point on what the American Legion does with American flags that are no longer suitable for use.
 
2013-09-04 09:01:40 AM
What about guns that are unusable because they're in such crappy condition that they would be dangerous to fire?

Seems pointless to keep or sell those ones.
 
2013-09-04 09:07:13 AM
"there is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective," because guns recovered in buybacks aren't "the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides."

So...the NRA is providing evidence that by regulating or banning the OTHER type of weapon it might actually be helpful?
 
2013-09-04 09:09:37 AM
The police shouldn't even have gun buyback programs. People just trade in shiatty ones for money to buy better ones. As much as I like the idea of people getting a discount on new products by trading in the old, I don't want taxpayers underwriting it.

Police should just have an ongoing gun collection program. You have a gun, you want rid of it, give it to the police. You get a "Thank you." and recipt email and nothing else.
 
2013-09-04 09:28:47 AM
Those poor defenseless guns.

We need a Sarah McLaughlin commercial to raise funds for these poor neglected guns doomed to be put down if no one adopts them in time.
 
2013-09-04 09:31:56 AM

Barfmaker: "there is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective," because guns recovered in buybacks aren't "the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides."

So...the NRA is providing evidence that by regulating or banning the OTHER type of weapon it might actually be helpful?


No.

The NRA is providing evidence that gun buybacks are really only used by savvy hunters and crackheads who jacked people's hunting rifles to get a quick buck from guns that are otherwise no longer needed to them and they've pushed a law that allows police in turn to turn their own quick buck off those guns instead being forced to waste them.
 
2013-09-04 09:34:12 AM
I think more guns in the hands of the police is an effective strategy.

After all, what's the worst that could happen?
 
2013-09-04 09:52:09 AM
So now that the precedent has been set, are they going to sell off confiscated drugs too?
 
2013-09-04 09:55:08 AM

Just because what's going on there is horrible & confusing does NOT mean Obama should bomb the NC state legislature.

- rob delaney (@robdelaney) August 30, 2013
 
2013-09-04 10:04:33 AM
Well, I'm glad I can't do what I want to do with something I own. Good thing we have a party for less gov'men right?
 
2013-09-04 10:06:18 AM
as someone who has never been convinced of the effectiveness of buyback programs, this isn't gonna help either, and unless they contract out the work of storage and selling, they are gonna lose money.

And we all know how well contracting out works for government agencies.
 
2013-09-04 10:11:25 AM
Can't they just loophole this by donating them to a scrap yard?
 
2013-09-04 10:12:17 AM
"Firearms are property. When law enforcement agencies destroy firearms, they are destroying assets," Ohio state Rep. John Becker, a Republican who represents Union Gap

So is weed, douschetard. And we don't care what your favorite 60s band was.
 
2013-09-04 10:12:56 AM

Aarontology: What about guns that are unusable because they're in such crappy condition that they would be dangerous to fire?

Seems pointless to keep or sell those ones.


Guns are never unsafe to fire.  What kind of anti-American, pinko, liberal, tax-and-spend, queer-loving commie are you?  Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
 
2013-09-04 10:14:04 AM

vudukungfu: "Firearms are property. When law enforcement agencies destroy firearms, they are destroying assets," Ohio state Rep. John Becker, a Republican who represents Union Gap

So is weed, douschetard. And we don't care what your favorite 60s band was.


With MM laws now, they should sell the weed too.
 
2013-09-04 10:14:37 AM
My ex-gf's dad sold a sawed off shotty at a gun buy back. He took us out to dinner with the money.
 
2013-09-04 10:15:27 AM

WhiskeyBender: Well, I'm glad I can't do what I want to do with something I own. Good thing we have a party for less gov'men right?


What are you even talking about? The law prevents the police from destroying citizen's property just because they feel like it. You're perfectly free to destroy your own guns or hand them over to the police if you want.
 
2013-09-04 10:15:27 AM

DubyaHater: Aarontology: What about guns that are unusable because they're in such crappy condition that they would be dangerous to fire?

Seems pointless to keep or sell those ones.

Guns are never unsafe to fire.  What kind of anti-American, pinko, liberal, tax-and-spend, queer-loving commie are you?  Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


Wrong, bullets kill people, guns just get them going really, realy fast.
 
2013-09-04 10:15:55 AM
Seems reasonable. The guns will be sent to a dealer with an FFL, who will sell them to lawful owners after a proper background check. It's a win for everyone.
 
2013-09-04 10:16:13 AM
I got $50 bucks for a rusty, broken stock, loose action, single shot 12 guage that someone gave me for free.  Wasn't worth that much if it had been in like new condition.  Bought ammo for other guns with the proceeds.

/csb
 
2013-09-04 10:17:46 AM

vudukungfu: "Firearms are property. When law enforcement agencies destroy firearms, they are destroying assets," Ohio state Rep. John Becker, a Republican who represents Union Gap

So is weed, douschetard. And we don't care what your favorite 60s band was.


Oh jesus christ. What a farkwit. He's the kind of asshole who would let the Kochs buy Government and destroy the environment but MAH GUNZ.

I hate people like that and they've really been crowding the Gun Shows lately,.
 
2013-09-04 10:17:46 AM
*gauge*
 
2013-09-04 10:17:50 AM

Aarontology: What about guns that are unusable because they're in such crappy condition that they would be dangerous to fire?

Seems pointless to keep or sell those ones.


They can always be stripped of the good parts and those can be sold.
 
2013-09-04 10:17:58 AM
This is a great law... I wish my state would do this exact same thing.   It makes me sick to see gun buyback programs knowing that the weapons will be destroyed...  Especialy when a rare or valuable item comes across the table...

"Basically, I want to get it destroyed," Eli Gutierrez of Wilmington The Idiot " told the Wilmington Star-News after he showed up to turn in his .38-caliber pistol.
 
2013-09-04 10:18:37 AM
"Basically, I want to get it destroyed," Eli Gutierrez of Wilmingtonold the Wilmington Star-News  after he showed up to turn in his .38-caliber pistol.

In related news, local police open .38-caliber cold-case investigations
 
2013-09-04 10:19:36 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: My ex-gf's dad sold a sawed off shotty at a gun buy back. He took us out to dinner with the money.


Whenever I've bought one for personal use instead of resale, they ran about $500, plus the tax stamp.  That's a damned expensive dinner.
 
2013-09-04 10:19:42 AM
$100 buyback program.  Buy case of Nuggets.  Profit.  Buy more nuggets.  Repeat.
 
2013-09-04 10:19:55 AM

robertey: Seems reasonable. The guns will be sent to a dealer with an FFL, who will sell them to lawful owners after a proper background check. It's a win for everyone.


Except the taxpayers who are giving free merchandise to the the FFLs..
 
2013-09-04 10:20:09 AM

MemeSlave: vudukungfu: "Firearms are property. When law enforcement agencies destroy firearms, they are destroying assets," Ohio state Rep. John Becker, a Republican who represents Union Gap

So is weed, douschetard. And we don't care what your favorite 60s band was.

With MM laws now, they should sell the weed too.


Guys, guys! No reason to fight. Just make the guns into bongs and everyone's happy.
 
2013-09-04 10:20:57 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: My ex-gf's dad sold a sawed off shotty at a gun buy back. He took us out to dinner with the money.

Whenever I've bought one for personal use instead of resale, they ran about $500, plus the tax stamp.  That's a damned expensive dinner.


This was a cheap Wal-Mart deal. I highly doubt he had a tax stamp.
 
2013-09-04 10:21:30 AM
Ahh yes another gun buyback thread where idiotic farkers proclaim that because they are well off enough to not sell a gun in a buyback that nobody would, they can't fathom a scenario where a poor person has an illegal weapon and sells it in a buyback. There will also be a handful of douchebags proudly telling you how they abuse the program and sell back garbage guns knowing full well they are just basically stealing money from their fellow taxpayers.
 
2013-09-04 10:22:05 AM

Barfmaker: "there is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective," because guns recovered in buybacks aren't "the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides."

So...the NRA is providing evidence that by regulating or banning the OTHER type of weapon it might actually be helpful?


Not at all, as they aren't talking about any type of guns, just the specific ones turned in to the buy-back* programs. Gramma bringing in Grandad's rusted POS that wouldn't likely fire anyway isn't getting any guns off the street and isn't slowing down crime. People who are actually bothering to check into the programs are finding that those are about the only kinds of people turning anything in.

/*I've never liked the term "buy-back". Who are they buying them back from? They didn't sell anything in the first place.
 
2013-09-04 10:22:15 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This was a cheap Wal-Mart deal. I highly doubt he had a tax stamp.



In that case, it's a good thing for him that  he didn't get stopped for speeding on the way to the buyback.
 
2013-09-04 10:23:43 AM

Headso: There will also be a handful of douchebags proudly telling you how they abuse the program and sell back garbage guns knowing full well they are just basically stealing money from their fellow taxpayers.



Actually, the money for the "buybacks" generally is donated by private groups and/or corporations.  Using tax money to buy them back would cause politicians to lose their jobs.
 
2013-09-04 10:23:50 AM
Super, guns are now sacrosanct holy relics that can not be defaced.

We're entering Beneath The Planet of the Apes nuclear warhead worship territory here fellow chimps and knuckledraggers.
 
2013-09-04 10:24:18 AM
Every time I've seen what the police get from buy back or amnesty programs on TV I've seen antique and interesting old guns,  kinda seems a shame to me to shred those up to me, seems like someone would buy those,  even just for show pieces.

Depending on how this law is worded though,  the police in one state could just contract and ship the guns somewhere outside the state to have them shredded if they're really intent on doing so.

/Cannuck who has never seen in real life anything more than a BB gun
/Pew pew!
 
2013-09-04 10:24:18 AM

robertey: Seems reasonable. The guns will be sent to a dealer with an FFL, who will sell them to lawful owners after a proper background check. It's a win for everyone.


Sure, unless the lawful owners decide to do unlawful things with them.
Unless a child gets their hands on one and accidentally shoots a playmate.
Unless someone breaks into the lawful owner's home and steals the gun.
Unless the lawful owner decides life isn't worth living anymore.
Unless the lawful owner's spouse really pisses them off.
Unless the lawful owner shoots an "intruder," who turns out to be a family member.

Then, not so much wins.
 
2013-09-04 10:25:19 AM
TFA: "At a time when budgets are tight, it makes no more sense to destroy firearms than it does to destroy office furniture, vehicles, computers or other assets that are generally sold or auctioned off when they are no longer needed,"

Is it illegal to destroy office furniture?
 
2013-09-04 10:25:27 AM
I get the idea that many of these guns are stolen, and that they are the property of the original owner.

But you know what? If you are a gun owner and you let your guns get stolen, you are a huge part of the problem.

Consider having your gun destroyed your "stupid tax."
 
2013-09-04 10:26:14 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Headso: There will also be a handful of douchebags proudly telling you how they abuse the program and sell back garbage guns knowing full well they are just basically stealing money from their fellow taxpayers.


Actually, the money for the "buybacks" generally is donated by private groups and/or corporations.  Using tax money to buy them back would cause politicians to lose their jobs.


that's not even true... there may be cases like that buy there are plenty of taxpayer funded buybacks.
 
2013-09-04 10:26:23 AM

kzig: I got $50 bucks for a rusty, broken stock, loose action, single shot 12 guage that someone gave me for free.  Wasn't worth that much if it had been in like new condition.  Bought ammo for other guns with the proceeds.

/csb


Same here.  When I was home visiting family, we found some rusted out old POS rifles that my dad had gotten as part of a lot at an auction several years ago.  You couldn't have fired those pieces of junk with several hundred dollars worth of parts and effort.  The local gun buyback gave us over $500 for a few bucks worth of rusty metal and broken wood.  Used $200 to buy an AR-15 from a lady further back in line who just wanted to be rid of it.  The rest of the money bought ammo, with enough left over to have a nice family dinner.
 
2013-09-04 10:26:39 AM

Boo_Guy: /Cannuck who has never seen in real life anything more than a BB gun


Here's a pair of my shotties with 6.5 inch barrels:

i135.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-04 10:27:22 AM
Buy back....as if the state owned them in the first place....


Lots of stolen firearms get turned in at these things. No questions asked.
 
2013-09-04 10:27:50 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Just because what's going on there is horrible & confusing does NOT mean Obama should bomb the NC state legislature.- rob delaney (@robdelaney) August 30, 2013


Yes, he should.
 
2013-09-04 10:27:58 AM

EvilEgg: Those poor defenseless guns.

We need a Sarah McLaughlin commercial to raise funds for these poor neglected guns doomed to be put down if no one adopts them in time.


Slow-motion shots of rusty pistols, rifles with stuck bolts, accompanied by Clannad tracks and a voiceover from Phyllis Schlafly. "Just 81 cents a day would buy enough rods, brushes, solvent, oil, patches, and picks to keep these mistreated weapons in peak condition. Won't you help?"
 
2013-09-04 10:28:34 AM

Cletus C.: Then, not so much wins.


So, what, just destroy potentially valuable property?
 
2013-09-04 10:28:46 AM

brap: Super, guns are now sacrosanct holy relics that can not be defaced.

We're entering Beneath The Planet of the Apes nuclear warhead worship territory here fellow chimps and knuckledraggers.


Well some folks see them as a crafted piece if metal with a specific purpose and some people see then as a portable penis.

Would you melt and crush your portable entertainment system?
 
2013-09-04 10:28:52 AM

Headso: that's not even true... there may be cases like that buy there are plenty of taxpayer funded buybacks.



Where?  I've never heard of a buyback in the US being funded with tax money, it's always, in my experience, private funds.  Often, it's gift certificates to area stores who donate them.  I'm sure that it's a tax deduction for the corporation, but it's not coming from the government treasury.
 
2013-09-04 10:29:01 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Boo_Guy: /Cannuck who has never seen in real life anything more than a BB gun

Here's a pair of my shotties with 6.5 inch barrels:

[i135.photobucket.com image 320x240]


Because if Harry Potter was going to choose a shotgun, that would've been it.
 
2013-09-04 10:29:50 AM

bighairyguy: So now that the precedent has been set, are they going to sell off confiscated drugs too?


Yep, because selling illegal drugs and legal guns are totally the same thing.  No differences in the sale/possession laws at all between those two.
 
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