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(Reuters)   Venezuela gasoline holds steady at five cents a gallon, toilet paper supply is abundant. Electricity? Uh ... not so much   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2013-09-04 09:34:57 AM  
Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.
 
2013-09-04 09:35:49 AM  
On the case!
www.steady130.com
 
2013-09-04 09:36:43 AM  
If gas is that cheap how about just importing some generators to help with the on peak load instead of blowing your breakers and causing a cascade when near peak load.?
 
2013-09-04 09:38:37 AM  
Thanks Obama
 
2013-09-04 09:43:24 AM  
Just burn the gasoline over a pot of water to produce steam to turn turbines to produce electricity. Duh.
 
2013-09-04 09:55:43 AM  
Obviously they need some nuclear power plants.
 
2013-09-04 09:59:38 AM  

Saiga410: If gas is that cheap how about just importing some generators to help with the on peak load instead of blowing your breakers and causing a cascade when near peak load.?


Gas is cheap to buy, but that's because it's subsidized.  For gas to remain the low the subsidy must be increased when a) oil prices rise and/or b) consumption increases.  The last thing they want to do is increase consumption.

In a perverse twist, high oil prices are not as good for Venezuela and Iran as they are for places like Russia, because the gas subsidy bleeds the coffers that higher oil prices fill.  Iran recently had to make adjustments (re: reduce subsidy) and Venezuela with its declining output (PVSDA is not an efficient producer) is not in a good position to maintain the status quo.
 
2013-09-04 10:06:44 AM  

AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.


Sure, 70% failure is a normal number everywhere.  *rolls eyes*

/socialist paradise
 
2013-09-04 10:10:19 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.

Sure, 70% failure is a normal number everywhere.  *rolls eyes*

/socialist paradise


You mean like this power outage that affected 55 million people in 8 states and Ontario. Power outages happen.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-04 10:18:18 AM  

AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.


From someone who works with utilities and their customers so the utilities relays can coordinate with the customers equipment, some utilities are an overloaded mess.  I've spent days back and forth with the utility engineers just getting a single customer up to the point of not having to worry about nuisance tripping.  There are some projects where its like, 'yep, here's the transformer the customer ordered and the bayonets that came with it based on Cooper's or ABB's tables.  I hope the utility can deal with it.'

That doesn't say they are all bad. There is a rare case where system engineers really know their system and are easy to work with (i'm looking at you PECO)
 
2013-09-04 10:22:41 AM  

ongbok: Lt. Cheese Weasel: AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.

Sure, 70% failure is a normal number everywhere.  *rolls eyes*

/socialist paradise

You mean like this power outage that affected 55 million people in 8 states and Ontario. Power outages happen.


ohsnap.jpg
 
2013-09-04 10:34:54 AM  
Poor, socialist, Latin American country where the leaders have a poor grasp of basic economics. Somehow sabotage is not the conclusion I jump to when major utilities fail.
 
2013-09-04 10:36:25 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: ongbok: Lt. Cheese Weasel: AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.

Sure, 70% failure is a normal number everywhere.  *rolls eyes*

/socialist paradise

You mean like this power outage that affected 55 million people in 8 states and Ontario. Power outages happen.

ohsnap.jpg


No, see, any failures like this indicate the abject failure of all socialist ideas, forever. The power outage in the northeast was just the free market (PBUI) operating normally.
 
2013-09-04 10:46:03 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: No, see, any failures like this indicate the abject failure of all socialist ideas, forever. The power outage in the northeast was just the free market (PBUI) operating normally.


People don't seem to understand how horrible a dictator Chavez was.  He was SOOOOO bad that after a coup the people, reinstated him to power...... He's such a terrible human being that he signed on to give lower income people in the north eastern united states free home heating oil during the winter.  He is truly history's greatest monster.
 
2013-09-04 10:55:33 AM  

Lord_Baull: Just burn the gasoline over a pot of water to produce steam to turn turbines to produce electricity. Duh.


or use a gasoline powered generator, which ever is easier.
 
2013-09-04 10:59:46 AM  

FarkedOver: He's such a terrible human being that he signed on to give lower income people in the north eastern united states free home heating oil during the winter


No wonder you can't start revolution

/"Shaving", said Lenin
 
2013-09-04 11:01:20 AM  

LewDux: FarkedOver: He's such a terrible human being that he signed on to give lower income people in the north eastern united states free home heating oil during the winter

No wonder you can't start revolution

/"Shaving", said Lenin


ok.
 
2013-09-04 11:17:50 AM  
Venezuela gasoline holds steady at five cents a gallon, toilet paper supply is abundant. Electricity? Uh ... not so much

Since when?
 
2013-09-04 11:36:02 AM  

ongbok: Lt. Cheese Weasel: AntiNerd: Because, of course, power grid problems never ever happen in more advanced countries.

Sure, 70% failure is a normal number everywhere.  *rolls eyes*

/socialist paradise

You mean like this power outage that affected 55 million people in 8 states and Ontario. Power outages happen.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x349]


This happened once, several years ago.  The equivalent of this happens every other day in Venezuela.

Also, don't drink the water there.
 
2013-09-04 11:38:30 AM  

FarkedOver: LewDux: FarkedOver: He's such a terrible human being that he signed on to give lower income people in the north eastern united states free home heating oil during the winter

No wonder you can't start revolution

/"Shaving", said Lenin

ok.


Link
 
2013-09-04 11:40:14 AM  

www.plasticbrickautomaton.com '
SOCIALISM WORKS!

 
2013-09-04 11:40:57 AM  

LewDux: FarkedOver: LewDux: FarkedOver: He's such a terrible human being that he signed on to give lower income people in the north eastern united states free home heating oil during the winter

No wonder you can't start revolution

/"Shaving", said Lenin

ok.

Link


Awesome?
 
2013-09-04 11:41:20 AM  
Trying to equate the infrastructure problems in Venezuela with the US is dishonest.  14 straight days without running water to a nation's capital just doesn't happen here.

"I don't trust the water, including the bottled variety," said Nancy Santa Fe from the Julian Blanco shantytown in eastern Caracas, who was spending her 14th day without running water on Aug. 23.

The socialist revolution implemented by late President Hugo Chavez redirected funds from state-owned companies to reduce poverty and widen access to education, health-care and housing. It built 422,340 homes in the past two years, while neglecting the basic services in a country that has the world's largest oil deposits and eight times more fresh water per capita than France. Blackouts and water cuts have become weekly events in Caracas, and when water does flow, few dare to drink.


Complete neglect of basic services doesn't happen in the US.  Weekly blackouts?  Weekly water cuts?  Are people in here seriously comparing current conditions in the US to this?
 
2013-09-04 11:43:25 AM  
In communism, you run out of other people's money:

A year before Chavez came to power, in 1998, state-owned Hidrocapital had an annual budget of $250 million, according to the company's former vice president Norberto Bausson.

The budget of the Caracas water monopoly Hidrocapital fell 49 percent to 25 million bolivars ($9.7 million) in 2010


Surely this can't be good for the water supply.
 
2013-09-04 11:46:55 AM  

SlothB77: Complete neglect of basic services doesn't happen in the US. Weekly blackouts? Weekly water cuts? Are people in here seriously comparing current conditions in the US to this?


No, but lets be honest here, Venezuela wasn't booming with awesome services in more market friendly regimes prior to Chavez.  Chavez, to his credit, was attempting modernization and the socialist policies that were institute did put a roof over many people's heads.  The policies helped illiterate people learn to read.  The policies helped bring in the best doctors in the world and treat people that otherwise would never have been treated for illnesses.

I wouldn't say socialism is a failure in Venezuela, but I wouldn't say Venezuela was a completely socialist nation either.
 
2013-09-04 11:47:26 AM  

SlothB77: Trying to equate the infrastructure problems in Venezuela with the US is dishonest.  14 straight days without running water to a nation's capital just doesn't happen here.

"I don't trust the water, including the bottled variety," said Nancy Santa Fe from the Julian Blanco shantytown in eastern Caracas, who was spending her 14th day without running water on Aug. 23.

The socialist revolution implemented by late President Hugo Chavez redirected funds from state-owned companies to reduce poverty and widen access to education, health-care and housing. It built 422,340 homes in the past two years, while neglecting the basic services in a country that has the world's largest oil deposits and eight times more fresh water per capita than France. Blackouts and water cuts have become weekly events in Caracas, and when water does flow, few dare to drink.

Complete neglect of basic services doesn't happen in the US.  Weekly blackouts?  Weekly water cuts?  Are people in here seriously comparing current conditions in the US to this?


If the Kochsuckers at the GOP keeps getting elected, this will be our future!!!!!!

 
2013-09-04 11:49:33 AM  

SlothB77: In communism, you run out of other people's money:


Thanks for that little tidbit Maggie Thatcher.
 
2013-09-04 11:50:30 AM  

Massa Damnata: Lord_Baull: Just burn the gasoline over a pot of water to produce steam to turn turbines to produce electricity. Duh.

or use a gasoline powered generator, which ever is easier.



that was somewhat the original intent of the joke. I was making a veiled disparaging remark about the inefficency of our current methods of creating electricity. Too subtle, I suppose.
 
2013-09-04 11:52:06 AM  

super_grass: If the Kochsuckers at the GOP keeps getting elected, this will be our future!!!!!!


Centered text just makes you look crazy. Unless that was the point, in which case good job. All you needed was red text on a black background and some animated gifs of US flags.
 
2013-09-04 11:54:50 AM  
Ack.  My screen is a sea of red.

I have FarkedOver highlighted in red, like the Soviet flag (favorite: Commie).  I also have SlothB77 highlighted in red, as in red states (favorite: When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete).
 
2013-09-04 11:55:30 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: super_grass: If the Kochsuckers at the GOP keeps getting elected, this will be our future!!!!!!

Centered text just makes you look crazy. Unless that was the point, in which case good job. All you needed was red text on a black background and some animated gifs of US flags.


Not from people who use the word "Kochsuckers".

It's going to be some oversized sans-serif font in front of "inspirational" backgrounds of DA STRUGGLE against DA MAN on some tumblr account.
 
2013-09-04 11:56:04 AM  
The Chavezes, Castros, or Allendes of the world don't gain widespread traction in places where the poor aren't already being heavily boned by Chicago Boys capitalism.
 
2013-09-04 12:00:59 PM  

Lawnchair: The Chavezes, Castros, or Allendes of the world don't gain widespread traction in places where the poor aren't already being heavily boned by Chicago Boys capitalism.


Well when it comes to Allendes the CIA and Kissinger never even let him have a chance.

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." - Kissinger

t2.gstatic.com
Here's what replaced Allende.  Here is Thatcher and Pinochet.  They're so cute together!

The issues in South America and Central America lay squarely at the feet of U.S. intervention and Imperialism.  The U.S. has made it the backward area that it is.  I'm glad there are actual leftists attempting to modernize the continent and are attempting to do so without the help of the U.S.
 
2013-09-04 12:03:07 PM  

Geotpf: Ack.  My screen is a sea of red.

I have FarkedOver highlighted in red, like the Soviet flag (favorite: Commie).  I also have SlothB77 highlighted in red, as in red states (favorite: When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete).


I want to make all the red states truly RED states :-D
 
2013-09-04 12:07:42 PM  

FarkedOver: leftists attempting to modernize the continent


HA HA HA HA HA HA

OW WOW
 
2013-09-04 12:08:44 PM  

super_grass: FarkedOver: leftists attempting to modernize the continent

HA HA HA HA HA HA

OW WOW


They aren't?
 
2013-09-04 12:12:55 PM  

FarkedOver: super_grass: FarkedOver: leftists attempting to modernize the continent

HA HA HA HA HA HA

OW WOW

They aren't?


They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.
 
2013-09-04 12:14:10 PM  

FarkedOver: Allendes


You mean the Soviet puppet who took bribes from the KGB, propped up the economy w/ money from the Soviet Union and completely ignored the constitution....
 
2013-09-04 12:21:27 PM  

ShadowKamui: You mean the Soviet puppet who took bribes from the KGB, propped up the economy w/ money from the Soviet Union and completely ignored the constitution....


He needed killing, you're absolutely right.

I wonder why he took Soviet assistance...... ohhhhhh that's right:

"Allende's Popular Unity government (ELECTED) tried to maintain normal relations with the United States. When Chile nationalized its copper industry, Washington cut off U.S. credits and increased its support to opposition. Forced to seek alternative sources of trade and finance, Chile gained commitments from the Soviet Union to invest some $400 million in Chile in the next six years. Allende's government was disappointed that it received far less economic assistance from the USSR than it hoped for. Trade between the two countries did not significantly increase and the credits were mainly linked to the purchase of Soviet equipment. Moreover, credits from the Soviet Union were much less than those provided to the People's Republic of China and countries of Eastern Europe. When Allende visited the USSR in late 1972 in search of more aid and additional lines of credit, after 3 years, he was turned down."
 
2013-09-04 12:22:28 PM  

super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.


Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.
 
2013-09-04 12:28:40 PM  

FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.


Just look at the Cuba. Oh wait, that was imperialist S.U. teat
 
2013-09-04 12:29:19 PM  

FarkedOver: ShadowKamui: You mean the Soviet puppet who took bribes from the KGB, propped up the economy w/ money from the Soviet Union and completely ignored the constitution....

He needed killing, you're absolutely right.

I wonder why he took Soviet assistance...... ohhhhhh that's right:

"Allende's Popular Unity government (ELECTED) tried to maintain normal relations with the United States. When Chile nationalized its copper industry, Washington cut off U.S. credits and increased its support to opposition. Forced to seek alternative sources of trade and finance, Chile gained commitments from the Soviet Union to invest some $400 million in Chile in the next six years. Allende's government was disappointed that it received far less economic assistance from the USSR than it hoped for. Trade between the two countries did not significantly increase and the credits were mainly linked to the purchase of Soviet equipment. Moreover, credits from the Soviet Union were much less than those provided to the People's Republic of China and countries of Eastern Europe. When Allende visited the USSR in late 1972 in search of more aid and additional lines of credit, after 3 years, he was turned down."


You do realize the KGB funded his election campaign and he won by a mere 30k votes.  Everything else you wrote just paints him as a moron who got played by his handlers.
 
2013-09-04 12:29:51 PM  

LewDux: FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.

Just look at the Cuba. Oh wait, that was imperialist S.U. teat


Seeing how the U.S. was backing Batista.... where did you think Castro would go for help?
 
2013-09-04 12:30:41 PM  

LewDux: FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.

Just look at the Cuba. Oh wait, that was imperialist S.U. teat


Yes, imperial powers kinda suck regardless of what type of government they (pretend to) have.
 
2013-09-04 12:32:18 PM  

FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.


That whole continent is either sucking on the teat and dick of the US, USSR, or more recently, China.

And besides, you say US imperialism like it's a bad thing. Need I to remind you what happened the last time thing happened down south?

www.mrvanduyne.com
 
2013-09-04 12:33:05 PM  

FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.


Oh, really? He's white-knighting Pinochet? Come the fark on.
 
2013-09-04 12:33:33 PM  

ShadowKamui: You do realize the KGB funded his election campaign and he won by a mere 30k votes. Everything else you wrote just paints him as a moron who got played by his handlers.


So, Allende's election was illegal (in your opinion) and what the U.S. and the CIA did was ok?
 
2013-09-04 12:34:17 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: FarkedOver: super_grass: They are. It's just laughable since they generally underperform compared to dictators like Pinochet.

Well when you can no longer suck on the teat of the imperialist U.S. things may take time.

Oh, really? He's white-knighting Pinochet? Come the fark on.


Well Reagan and Thatcher did too....
 
2013-09-04 12:35:11 PM  

super_grass: And besides, you say US imperialism like it's a bad thing. Need I to remind you what happened the last time thing happened down south?


It is a bad thing for any indigenous population the US is brutalizing.  It's great for business though!!
 
2013-09-04 12:35:23 PM  

ShadowKamui: FarkedOver: Allendes

You mean the Soviet puppet who took bribes from the KGB, propped up the economy w/ money from the Soviet Union and completely ignored the constitution....


Dumping on Allende is basically an irrefutable sign that a person is a bottom-feeding right-wing useful idiot, so thanks for making that clear.
 
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