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(NPR)   "Science shows that as people become wealthier, they get stingier." YOU DON'T SAY   (npr.org) divider line 98
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2013-09-04 01:03:46 AM
Ayup. I'll always be generous and poor.
 
2013-09-04 03:05:00 AM
"F*ck you, I've got mine". It should be printed in place of "e pluribus unum" on the coinage around here.
 
2013-09-04 03:59:15 AM
Anyone that has ever worked as a delivery driver could have saved you the cost of a study. Poorer people ALWAYS tipped better. I delivered 200 bucks in subs to a Lamborghini assembly location and they gave me exact change.
 
2013-09-04 04:02:25 AM
Economists have known this forever.

/Marginal Propensity to Consume FTW
 
2013-09-04 04:05:59 AM
Longer hardons?
 
2013-09-04 04:10:45 AM
It's called money management.
 
2013-09-04 04:14:22 AM
Don't people tend to get rich partly by being stingy?
 
2013-09-04 04:17:13 AM
Is this why you never see a poor person with money? They're just not stingy enough?
 
2013-09-04 04:23:21 AM

Cagey B: "F*ck you, I've got mine". It should be printed in place of "e pluribus unum" on the coinage around here.


E pluribus unum was removed long ago in favor of trusting in the invisible sky wizard.
 
2013-09-04 04:23:35 AM

Cagey B: "F*ck you, I've got mine". It should be printed in place of "e pluribus unum" on the coinage around here.


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2013-09-04 04:23:52 AM
Trickle up economics?
 
2013-09-04 04:26:27 AM
I know once I'm rich, I refuse to engage in lame fetchquests so the stupid Orc Mage-Librarian can have another book for like 75 gold.

If that counts.
 
2013-09-04 04:27:18 AM
All else being equal, people who give away a smaller percentage of their wealth have more wealth.
 
2013-09-04 04:31:19 AM
People who earn more are more likely to scorn those who want handouts.

News at 11.
 
2013-09-04 04:33:01 AM
When you have everything you need you can afford to spend some time finding a good deal on the things you want. When you don't have everything you need you're often forced to go with what's available right now.

The thing about poor people being better tippers falls under Rule #2 of Life: Poor people make bad decisions.
 
2013-09-04 04:38:45 AM
FTA : the poor tend to value social connections because social connections are integral to survival when you can't make your way on your own.

This explains why people born to wealth dont find their way to wealth as well.

Those social connections dont exist for people born into privilege.

It's entirely up to them to make their way.
 
2013-09-04 04:38:56 AM

Cagey B: "F*ck you, I've got mine". It should be printed in place of "e pluribus unum" on the coinage around here.


Why? From what I have seen, it seems to mean, "Out of many, mine"!
 
2013-09-04 04:43:48 AM

Mr. Ekshun: The thing about poor people being better tippers falls under Rule #2 of Life: Poor people make bad decisions.


And rich people eat more spit and fecal matter.

/only some of it is for not tipping
//rich people are pervs
 
2013-09-04 04:49:04 AM

Lando Lincoln: Ayup. I'll always be generous and poor.


I would say that generous and poor is often part of a happy, down to earth, empathetic way of being, so I wouldn't ever question it!
 
2013-09-04 05:01:56 AM

gweilo8888: Mr. Ekshun: The thing about poor people being better tippers falls under Rule #2 of Life: Poor people make bad decisions.

And rich people eat more spit and fecal matter.

/only some of it is for not tipping
//rich people are pervs


If that's true there's something seriously wrong with my bank statement.
 
2013-09-04 05:23:43 AM
I worked low-level jobs for a long time. I have a good memory. I tip appropriately.
 
2013-09-04 05:43:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: People who earn more are more likely to scorn those who want handouts.

News at 11.


That's why civilized, sustainable societies have built-in ways of separating those who accumulate excessive wealth from it, and putting it back in circulation. In America, apparently, we would rather undergo massive cyclic depressions than do that - but then, America may not prove to be a sustainable society - we've only made it a pathetic 2.4 centuries, and are close to succumbing to the effects of excessive wealth inequality.
Wealth inequality is one of those things, you know - things that grownups understand because a little of them is good, but too much of them is bad.
I don't want to make it too complicated for you here.
 
2013-09-04 06:07:33 AM

gerbilpox: Don't people tend to get rich partly by being stingy?


They sure don't get rich by spending their money.

*Free tip for poor people
 
2013-09-04 06:10:56 AM

agent00pi: Trickle up economics?


sounds like the other night

/there may or may not have been a hooker involved
 
2013-09-04 06:14:33 AM
Hey, I'm a cheap bastard! How come I'm not rich?
 
2013-09-04 06:22:51 AM
Oh good, the old "percentage of income" argument.  Because that's not tired at all...
 
2013-09-04 06:23:46 AM

August11: I tip appropriately.


By demanding that merchants pay their employees directly rather than having to hope that customers to subsidize their inferior wages?

I'm not saying you should screw people who currently rely on tips -- by all means continue to tip people who need it until the situation improves -- but "tip appropriately" is an oxymoron because there's nothing appropriate about a system that enables employers screw their staff and customers. Anytime a tip is required to avoid stiffing the staff it should be followed up with a complaint to management about how you'll be spending your money at businesses with better compensation policies.
 
2013-09-04 06:26:59 AM
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I ask you, what am I? I'm one of the undeserving poor: that's what I am.

Think of what that means to a man. It means that he's up againt middle class morality all the time. If there's anything going, and I put in for a bit of it, it's always the same story: 'You're undeserving; so you can't have it.' But my needs is as great as the most deserving widow's that ever got money out of six different charities in one week for the death of the same husband. I don't need less than a deserving man: I need more.

I don't eat less hearty than him; and I drink a lot more. I want a bit of amusement, cause I'm a thinking man. I want cheerfulness and a song and a band when I feel low. Well, they charge me just the same for everything as they charge the deserving. What is middle class morality? Just an excuse for never giving me anything.
 
2013-09-04 06:28:49 AM
So they get stingier by giving more? 2.7% of $60,000 is more than 4.2% of $30,000. Nice way to use the numbers to give bias to the article. And you can bet one of the reasons they become more focused on themselves is the burnout from constantly being hit up for money. If you came from poorer surroundings, you find that if you start climbing out of that mess, at least two or three will believe you owe them a trip up with you. Especially if they are not in any way helping in that climb out of the morass.
 The nearly constant "Can you help me?" requests starts to deafen one to all such pleas, sadly, including ones that may really need it.
 
2013-09-04 06:32:16 AM

gerbilpox: Don't people tend to get rich partly by being stingy?


Certainly that's part of it.  You don't gather large amounts of money by giving it away.

This is almost like saying that "Athletes tend to be in better physical condition than people who don't exercise".  Duh.

Also, the article does point out that in absolute terms, as opposed to percentages, the wealthy do in fact give a *LOT* of money to charity.
 
2013-09-04 06:33:21 AM

dittybopper: gerbilpox: Don't people tend to get rich partly by being stingy?

Certainly that's part of it.  You don't gather large amounts of money by giving it away.

This is almost like saying that "Athletes tend to be in better physical condition than people who don't exercise".  Duh.

Also, the article does point out that in absolute terms, as opposed to percentages, the wealthy do in fact give a *LOT* of money to charity.


But not enough. When you live off the work of others, no amount they give you is enough.
 
2013-09-04 06:57:25 AM

Mr. Ekshun: The thing about poor people being better tippers falls under Rule #2 of Life: Poor people make bad decisions.


They make bad financial decisions because they don't generally know any better.

You learn your values about a *WHOLE* lot of things from your parents, for good or ill.  If your parents made chronically poor decisions about financial situations, it's very likely that you will also, because it's your "normal".  You don't know any better.

This is why people who are born poor tend to stay poor, people born middle class tend to stay middle class, and people who are born rich tend to stay rich.

Notice I said "tend".  It's not an absolute, and there are always exceptions.  Though quite honestly, you hear more about people who are raised poor becoming wealthy than you do people who are raised wealthy becoming chronically poor.  I think that's because when you are raised to be good at handling money, you may go through temporary periods where you are poor, but absent something like chronic substance abuse, they don't stay there.

I know it's easy to just say "Well, they were born with the advantages and connections", and that's partly true, but it wouldn't explain how people like Adam Shepard can work their way up from nothing without using those connections or advantages.  Except, of course, for their ability to manage money, to defer gratification, and to work towards a future goal.
 
2013-09-04 06:57:39 AM
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"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."
 
2013-09-04 07:01:02 AM
"for the love of money is the root of all evil..."
 
2013-09-04 07:02:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: People who earn more are more likely to scorn those who want cause other to need handouts.

News at 11.

 
2013-09-04 07:29:53 AM

Mr. Ekshun: gweilo8888: Mr. Ekshun: The thing about poor people being better tippers falls under Rule #2 of Life: Poor people make bad decisions.

And rich people eat more spit and fecal matter.

/only some of it is for not tipping
//rich people are pervs

If that's true there's something seriously wrong with my bank statement.


I... I don't understand, does this mean you eat poo?
 
2013-09-04 07:31:58 AM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: So they get stingier by giving more? 2.7% of $60,000 is more than 4.2% of $30,000. Nice way to use the numbers to give bias to the article. And you can bet one of the reasons they become more focused on themselves is the burnout from constantly being hit up for money. If you came from poorer surroundings, you find that if you start climbing out of that mess, at least two or three will believe you owe them a trip up with you. Especially if they are not in any way helping in that climb out of the morass.
 The nearly constant "Can you help me?" requests starts to deafen one to all such pleas, sadly, including ones that may really need it.


So you're saying that 1 dollar to someone who makes 20,000 per year means the same as someone who makes 20 million per year?

Are you really that farking dumb?
 
2013-09-04 07:40:09 AM

xxdangerbobxx: Krusty_the_Barbarian: So they get stingier by giving more? 2.7% of $60,000 is more than 4.2% of $30,000. Nice way to use the numbers to give bias to the article. And you can bet one of the reasons they become more focused on themselves is the burnout from constantly being hit up for money. If you came from poorer surroundings, you find that if you start climbing out of that mess, at least two or three will believe you owe them a trip up with you. Especially if they are not in any way helping in that climb out of the morass.
 The nearly constant "Can you help me?" requests starts to deafen one to all such pleas, sadly, including ones that may really need it.

So you're saying that 1 dollar to someone who makes 20,000 per year means the same as someone who makes 20 million per year?

Are you really that farking dumb?


Actually, to a large degree, it does.

Sure, it's a much smaller percentage of their total wealth, but people who make and especially retain their wealth don't do so by thinking "Hey, it's only a dollar".   They do so by only spending what they consider to be necessary for one reason or another.

I don't see well-dressed people driving expensive cars at the local convenience store buying lottery tickets, but they should be, right?  After all, it's only a dollar, and that's a very minor part of their wealth, and there is a (very remote) chance that it could significantly add to their wealth.  So why don't they play the lottery?
 
2013-09-04 08:12:31 AM

DasCoop: Anyone that has ever worked as a delivery driver could have saved you the cost of a study. Poorer people ALWAYS tipped better. I delivered 200 bucks in subs to a Lamborghini assembly location and they gave me exact change.


Same with delivering newspapers. When my brother and I had paper routes, I had a richer neighborhood, he had a poorer. At Christmastime my brother would walk away with like $10-$20 per house in tips, I'd still be around the $2-$5 mark.
 
2013-09-04 08:16:10 AM
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2013-09-04 08:24:56 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: But not enough. When you live off the work of others, no amount they give you is enough.


Said like an Indian who doesn't know what a Chief is.

You're an entitled cock. If you don't like working for someone else, start your own business. In the mean time, have some farking grace and appreciate that you're able to make a living as a basket weaver, or whatever it is that you do.
 
2013-09-04 08:26:27 AM

dittybopper: Actually, to a large degree, it does.

Sure, it's a much smaller percentage of their total wealth, but people who make and especially retain their wealth don't do so by thinking "Hey, it's only a dollar".   They do so by only spending what they consider to be necessary for one reason or another.

I don't see well-dressed people driving expensive cars at the local convenience store buying lottery tickets, but they should be, right?  After all, it's only a dollar, and that's a very minor part of their wealth, and there is a (very remote) chance that it could significantly add to their wealth.  So why don't they play the lottery?


You know that's not what he means. He means that rich people who don't give in the same proportion as poor people are greedy.
 
2013-09-04 08:28:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: He means that rich people who don't give in the same proportion as poor people are greedy.


I'd wager you haven't given anyone anything this year, or any year.
 
2013-09-04 08:32:09 AM

Cagey B: "F*ck you, I've got mine".


I've  seen more low-income people with that attitude than rich people.

"They better dare not touch my welfare!"


AverageAmericanGuy: When you live off the work of others,


Yes -- rich people got rich because they just sat around all day while others worked for them.  No work at all was ever involved for the rich person.  Just because a person has employees at a company doesn't mean they do no work.  Yes, employees help earn the company money... but do you think the manager of a restaurant should still be washing dishes?
 
2013-09-04 08:33:09 AM
Still no word on polls taken of people who don't take polls so nobody will know what said person donates or where except the government when they report it.
 
2013-09-04 08:46:50 AM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: So they get stingier by giving more? 2.7% of $60,000 is more than 4.2% of $30,000. Nice way to use the numbers to give bias to the article. And you can bet one of the reasons they become more focused on themselves is the burnout from constantly being hit up for money. If you came from poorer surroundings, you find that if you start climbing out of that mess, at least two or three will believe you owe them a trip up with you. Especially if they are not in any way helping in that climb out of the morass.
 The nearly constant "Can you help me?" requests starts to deafen one to all such pleas, sadly, including ones that may really need it.


1.5/10 That was the dumbest thing I have read all week.
 
2013-09-04 08:47:01 AM
I wonder if you separate out church-going from non-church-going people if that would change anything. My guess is the richer a person is the less they go to church (and the less they would give to the church).
 
2013-09-04 08:50:58 AM

christ1: I wonder if you separate out church-going from non-church-going people if that would change anything. My guess is the richer a person is the less they go to church (and the less they would give to the church).


Whole lot of this.
 
2013-09-04 08:56:42 AM

xxdangerbobxx: Krusty_the_Barbarian: So they get stingier by giving more? 2.7% of $60,000 is more than 4.2% of $30,000. Nice way to use the numbers to give bias to the article. And you can bet one of the reasons they become more focused on themselves is the burnout from constantly being hit up for money. If you came from poorer surroundings, you find that if you start climbing out of that mess, at least two or three will believe you owe them a trip up with you. Especially if they are not in any way helping in that climb out of the morass.
 The nearly constant "Can you help me?" requests starts to deafen one to all such pleas, sadly, including ones that may really need it.

So you're saying that 1 dollar to someone who makes 20,000 per year means the same as someone who makes 20 million per year?

Are you really that farking dumb?


Everyone knows that they aren't the same. The amount of disposable income is just too different for percentages to give us any kind of meaningful information. On the other hand, while $100 might be a lot of money for someone who only makes $20,000 a year, $100,000 is a lot for everyone. People develop a certain sense for the value of money while growing up, and people very, very rarely grow up being able to throw around in excess of $100,000 every year. Some of that mentality will remain and that is what dampens the percentages. The perception that $100,000 is still a farkton of money to just give away. Even if you are making $200,000,000.

/Might be wrong
//My pet hypothesis
 
2013-09-04 08:57:31 AM
The agenda on the part of the "researcher", it's just retarded...
 
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