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(Daily Mail)   Not News: During WW1 a British POW asked the Germans for permission to go home to see his dying mother. News: They gave a two week pass conditional he returned. Fark: He did. They just don't make wars like the used to   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 107
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2013-09-03 07:54:40 PM
Well, Assad's doing his part with the poison gas and all.
 
2013-09-03 08:11:42 PM
Heading back to the POW camp afterwards was a smart decision. Beats being sent back to the trenches. Especially if he was an officer.
 
2013-09-03 08:18:14 PM
The article doesn't say it, but he also snagged a fresh onion for his belt. The other POWs were green with envy. Or cholera.
 
2013-09-03 08:20:07 PM
World War I was the war that changed all wars. And for good reason.
 
2013-09-03 08:24:59 PM
I've heard similar stories from the ancient world.  I believe it was one of the Punic Wars when the Carthaginians released a Roman patrician from captivity to deliver a message to Rome, but had him pledge to return afterwards.  He did, bearing an insulting response from the Senate, despite knowing this would likely end with killing the messenger...and they executed him, as he expected.

Wish I could remember where I read that...
 
2013-09-03 10:07:28 PM
I forget where I read it, but I remember a story where British senior officers considered codebreaking German transmissions unseemly as "gentlemen do not read one another's mail."
 
2013-09-03 10:14:21 PM

Babwa Wawa: Well, Assad's doing his part with the poison gas and all.


I doubt it was Asshat that did it.
 
2013-09-03 10:14:37 PM
Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.
 
2013-09-03 10:16:46 PM
He probably had good motivation. The whole were gonna kill all your comrades if you don't return thing.
 
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2013-09-03 10:17:30 PM
I vaguely recall the Hornblower novels had honorable prisoners and captors.
 
2013-09-03 10:18:30 PM
Back in nineteen diggity two.   We had to say diggity because the Kaiser stole our word for twenty.
 
2013-09-03 10:19:10 PM

GORDON: Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.


My instruction was always that the Geneva conventions state that it is a prisoner's duty to escape, just to clarify the situation for all parties. If that's true, it's international law.
 
2013-09-03 10:19:25 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I've heard similar stories from the ancient world.  I believe it was one of the Punic Wars when the Carthaginians released a Roman patrician from captivity to deliver a message to Rome, but had him pledge to return afterwards.  He did, bearing an insulting response from the Senate, despite knowing this would likely end with killing the messenger...and they executed him, as he expected.

Wish I could remember where I read that...


Not just any patrician, he was a Consul. He went back to Rome and not only stopped them from stopping him from leaving, he told them to not accept the peace plan before he did. He was sent to get them to accept the deal. Balls of steel. His torturous death (depending on which account you trust) was horrific. Keep in mind these were the people that created the crucifix and were known to burn infants alive to appease gods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Atilius_Regulus
 
2013-09-03 10:19:29 PM
Not going back to the trenches, I think his real name was Blackadder.  A very cunning plan.
 
2013-09-03 10:21:03 PM
Are you sure it wasn't a British ZAP, WOP, or THWACK?
 
2013-09-03 10:21:33 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I've heard similar stories from the ancient world.  I believe it was one of the Punic Wars when the Carthaginians released a Roman patrician from captivity to deliver a message to Rome, but had him pledge to return afterwards.  He did, bearing an insulting response from the Senate, despite knowing this would likely end with killing the messenger...and they executed him, as he expected.

Wish I could remember where I read that...


Oh and I'm PRETTY sure it was discussed in

Oh and I BELIEVE it was highly discussed by Christopher Mackay i his book "Ancient Rome: A Military and Political History", at least that's where my brain is saying I first heard it. Even if it's not, if you want the best most detailed book on Ancient Rome, farking get that book. A  chapter takes like a week to read because there is just so much information packed in, but it's beautiful.
 
2013-09-03 10:21:53 PM
Back when wars were fought for sport.
 
2013-09-03 10:22:36 PM

Spiralmonkey: Not going back to the trenches, I think his real name was Blackadder.  A very cunning plan.


As cunning as a fox that teaches advanced cunning at Oxford?
 
2013-09-03 10:22:36 PM
www.screenused.com
And then, get this, fellas, at the end of the movie...he flies over enemy trenches and drops a bottle of champagne.
 
2013-09-03 10:23:57 PM
Yeah right, next you're going to tell me their was a Christmas where soldiers from both sides celebrated together in no man's land.
 
2013-09-03 10:23:57 PM
I saw the photo and that is EXACTLY what I expected him to look like.
 
2013-09-03 10:24:00 PM

wichitaleaf: He probably had good motivation. The whole were gonna kill all your comrades if you don't return thing.


If it isnt this, then he gets the dumbass tag
 
2013-09-03 10:24:00 PM
Well, god be damned if the soldier would let the war besmirch his honor.
 
2013-09-03 10:25:38 PM
It woud be kinda nice if you could do that today.
 
2013-09-03 10:26:55 PM
During WWII  Sir Douglas Robert Steuart Bader was a RAF Pilot who only had one leg. He was shot down by the Germans and taken prisoner during which he lost his prosthetic leg. Showing a bit of honor, the Germans allowed the Brits to air drop a new legs to him. Once he had the leg, he tried to escape, but his giant brass balls clanged together sounding like a church bell and he was caught. Read up on this guy.
 
2013-09-03 10:27:29 PM

talkertopc: Yeah right, next you're going to tell me their was a Christmas where soldiers from both sides celebrated together in no man's land.


Right?
 
2013-09-03 10:29:50 PM

GORDON: Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.


Not all POW's. Captured American medics stay to provide medical care for the other prisoners.
 
2013-09-03 10:31:18 PM
Wilfred Owen

Dulce Et Decorum Est


Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
 
2013-09-03 10:31:27 PM

Piizzadude: wichitaleaf: He probably had good motivation. The whole were gonna kill all your comrades if you don't return thing.

If it isnt this, then he gets the dumbass tag


I'd go with "better already captured than back in the trenches".
 
2013-09-03 10:34:44 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I forget where I read it, but I remember a story where British senior officers considered codebreaking German transmissions unseemly as "gentlemen do not read one another's mail."


How things change. Wonder if such honor ever existed in WashDC and their many goon squads.
 
2013-09-03 10:34:48 PM
World War I was the last gentlemen's war.

I say, good day to you suh!
 
2013-09-03 10:35:06 PM
They also shut down the war to hold a joint Christmas party.
 
2013-09-03 10:35:32 PM

Cagey B: Heading back to the POW camp afterwards was a smart decision. Beats being sent back to the trenches. Especially if he was an officer.


Not just that, but deserting would have precluded future acts of kindness like this from the Germans.
 
2013-09-03 10:36:33 PM

SithLord: World War I was the last gentlemen's war.

I say, good day to you suh!


Wasn't it in WWII where information was gotten out of prisoners if the prisoners lost chess matches?  If so, that doesn't seem too ungentlemanly.
 
2013-09-03 10:36:40 PM

Spiralmonkey: Not going back to the trenches, I think his real name was Blackadder.  A very cunning plan.


That was my first thought. However I can't see Captain Blackadder even risking it. Going home to see his dried up old shrew of a mother and risking the possibility that the British army would order him back to the trenches.
 
2013-09-03 10:37:57 PM

GORDON: Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.


What? Are you saying Hogan's Heroes lied to me?
 
2013-09-03 10:38:03 PM

GORDON: Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.


I am betting that there was an understanding that the other prisoners would suffer if he failed to return.  It's still honorable of course, even more so if that was the case.
 
2013-09-03 10:38:58 PM

Brick-House: During WWII  Sir Douglas Robert Steuart Bader was a RAF Pilot who only had one leg. He was shot down by the Germans and taken prisoner during which he lost his prosthetic leg. Showing a bit of honor, the Germans allowed the Brits to air drop a new legs to him. Once he had the leg, he tried to escape, but his giant brass balls clanged together sounding like a church bell and he was caught. Read up on this guy.


Second verse
 
2013-09-03 10:39:04 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I forget where I read it, but I remember a story where British senior officers considered codebreaking German transmissions unseemly as "gentlemen do not read one another's mail."


Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson said that: "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail."
 
2013-09-03 10:41:19 PM
The progress of technology has only dehumanized war even more. It's hard to ask for a leave from a cruise missile.

Then again, this story was from a time when the British were so hardcore on honor that they wouldn't even invest in submarine technology. That it was too sneaky of a weapon and was not gentlemanly and using it wasn't being a good sport.
 
2013-09-03 10:44:02 PM
The mother passed away and then some years, maybe even many years later the former POW/Soldier son also died.

Just a sad tragic story no matter how you look at it.
 
2013-09-03 10:44:08 PM
Oh those old quaint rules of war.
 
2013-09-03 10:45:29 PM

groppet: It woud be kinda nice if you could do that today.


Happens all the time with Ay-rabs. Those are some honor-beholden sumbiatches.
 
2013-09-03 10:49:14 PM

SithLord: World War I was the last gentlemen's war.

I say, good day to you suh!


It was also the last war where charging into machine gun fire was a recommended tactic.
 
2013-09-03 10:49:52 PM

SithLord: World War I was the last gentlemen's war.

I say, good day to you suh!


What a bunch of horseshiat. WWI was the first war that COMPLETELY put the common man against the killing machine. The Crimean War, the US Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, the Spanish-American War and the Boer War demonstrated what was up, but the Great War nailed down the conflict between man and bullet-spewing machine. Gentlemen died like flies in WWI.
 
2013-09-03 10:52:02 PM
Historian Richard van Emden, who discovered the incredible incident, said such an act of chivalry was rare even a century ago. 'Capt Campbell was an officer and he made a promise on his honour to go back,' he said. 'Had he not turned up there would not have been any retribution on any other prisoners.

Reading is hard.
 
2013-09-03 10:52:26 PM
How the hell did he get captured a month BEFORE the war started?
 
2013-09-03 10:53:26 PM

GORDON: Strange.  Escaping is ALWAYS #1 priority for a POW.  It's actual orders.

But honourable.  Good show.


Avoid detection. Upon detection avoid capture. Upon capture escape.
 
2013-09-03 10:54:07 PM

kf4lar: How the hell did he get captured a month BEFORE the war started?


It's WWI, not WWII
 
2013-09-03 11:02:19 PM

mbillips: SithLord: World War I was the last gentlemen's war.

I say, good day to you suh!

What a bunch of horseshiat. WWI was the first war that COMPLETELY put the common man against the killing machine. The Crimean War, the US Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, the Spanish-American War and the Boer War demonstrated what was up, but the Great War nailed down the conflict between man and bullet-spewing machine. Gentlemen died like flies in WWI.


"During the winter it was not unusual for little groups of men to gather in the front trench, and there hold impromptu concerts, singing patriotic and sentimental songs. The Germans did much the same, and on calm evenings the songs from one line floated to the trenches on the other side, and were there received with applause and sometimes calls for an encore."

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2006-1231-christmas _i n_the_trenches.htm
 
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