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(Today)   Researchers dismayed to find that Gen Y employees are the first to figure out how corporate America really works. I'd finish this headline, but I just got thrown under the bus by Steve in Accounting   (today.com) divider line 232
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2013-09-03 02:10:01 PM
It's almost like, maybe Gen Y figured out that the corporate world is 110% dog eat dog, that the system is permanently rigged, and noone is going to help you when the chips are set to fall.  and they are reacting accordingly.
 
2013-09-03 02:11:51 PM
"YOU, ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!"
 
2013-09-03 02:12:58 PM
I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?
 
2013-09-03 02:16:26 PM

Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?


Nearly 31, and never want to be a people manager.
 
2013-09-03 02:19:02 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: It's almost like, maybe Gen Y figured out that the corporate world is 110% dog eat dog, that the system is permanently rigged, and noone is going to help you when the chips are set to fall.  and they are reacting accordingly.


Meanwhile, 30 years ago, someone else probably wrote this same article.

They called him a hippie and threw his ass out the door without publishing the story, but that's why we have the internet now.

// I knew this when I was 18, and I'm pretty sure my dad said as much about his bosses
 
2013-09-03 02:21:55 PM
That's nice. Now how about ending this little hipster water-cooler meeting and getting the f**k back to work? 'kay, comrades?
 
2013-09-03 02:22:09 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: noone is going to help you when the chips are set to fall.


i43.tinypic.com

"Sorry, mate - you're on your own!"
 
2013-09-03 02:23:50 PM

FlashHarry: Grand_Moff_Joseph: noone is going to help you when the chips are set to fall.

[i43.tinypic.com image 314x354]

"Sorry, mate - you're on your own!"


Well, there go my grammar points for today.  :(
 
2013-09-03 02:24:09 PM
I wonder if they are worried about themselves because a shiatload of them are not making enough money to make ends meet and watching completely unequal compensation go to the owners and boards of said corporations
 
2013-09-03 02:26:17 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Well, there go my grammar points for today.  :(


sorry - couldn't resist!
 
2013-09-03 02:27:45 PM

Elandriel: I wonder if they are worried about themselves because a shiatload of them are not making enough money to make ends meet and watching completely unequal compensation go to the owners and boards of said corporations


i think it's more a case of them being educated in schools that awarded medals for ninth place. they've been coddled since birth and expect to be coddled at work too.

/gen x.
//harumph!
 
2013-09-03 02:30:47 PM

FlashHarry: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Well, there go my grammar points for today.  :(

sorry - couldn't resist!


Well, I earned it, lol.  *goes back to desk to pout*  :D
 
2013-09-03 02:41:33 PM
FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma
 
2013-09-03 02:45:06 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma


As a member of this generation, I agree entirely with your statement that young people don't know jack shiat about tech. It's appalling how many of my cohort would find themselves completely stymied by a very basic tech problem.

I blame Apple.
 
2013-09-03 02:52:44 PM

Rincewind53: As a member of this generation, I agree entirely with your statement that young people don't know jack shiat about tech. It's appalling how many of my cohort would find themselves completely stymied by a very basic tech problem.

I blame Apple.



As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking. So you have the tree octopus problem
 
2013-09-03 03:02:04 PM

Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?


You were born with intelligence and a sense of empathy.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:03 PM
Complaining about yuppies was more fun and made better movies.
 
2013-09-03 03:15:32 PM

Intrepid00: Complaining about yuppies was more fun and made better movies.


Oh lord, if they make a mumble core version of Weekend at Bernie's I want off this planet
 
2013-09-03 03:26:17 PM
What's Generation Y again? Is that me?
 
2013-09-03 03:49:43 PM

DamnYankees: What's Generation Y again? Is that me?


It tells you in article.
 
2013-09-03 03:56:00 PM

Intrepid00: DamnYankees: What's Generation Y again? Is that me?

It tells you in article.


I can't be bothered to read that. Laziness in clicking is a trait of whatever generation I'm a part of.
 
2013-09-03 04:05:41 PM
Being good at a job no longer entitles you to good wages and a strong career. You have to be able and willing to aggressively pursue career changes and promotions if you want to make real money.

It sucks, but it's the way things are in a lot of places.
 
2013-09-03 04:08:06 PM

LasersHurt: Being good at a job no longer entitles you to good wages and a strong career. You have to be able and willing to aggressively pursue career changes and promotions if you want to make real money.

It sucks, but it's the way things are in a lot of places.


It's the result of our move from a wage-based economy to an asset-based economy. Happened under Reagan and has never stopped, and its caused serious, serious issues.
 
2013-09-03 04:08:47 PM

DamnYankees: Intrepid00: DamnYankees: What's Generation Y again? Is that me?

It tells you in article.

I can't be bothered to read that. Laziness in clicking is a trait of whatever generation I'm a part of.


That would be Gen X, we're lazy but apathetic.

Y is the one who feels self entitled despite their laziness
 
2013-09-03 04:09:16 PM

Dr Dreidel: Meanwhile, 30 years ago


?
 
2013-09-03 04:09:19 PM

DamnYankees: Intrepid00: DamnYankees: What's Generation Y again? Is that me?

It tells you in article.

I can't be bothered to read that. Laziness in clicking is a trait of whatever generation I'm a part of.


Generation Y-bother?

/we've been waiting for you
//or not
///whatever
 
2013-09-03 04:09:21 PM
So wait, people who are managers by the time they hit their 20s and 30s tend to be selfish and concerned with individual promotion? youdontsay.jpg
 
2013-09-03 04:09:25 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?

Nearly 31, and never want to be a people manager.


yep, i never want to manage people or make decisions.  i love project management!  my group tends to just get re-orged instead of fired.
 
2013-09-03 04:10:17 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?


It's a popular myth that young people alllll know about everything about computers. I blew some minds one day by pressing shift-ctrl-K in Firefox then clicking on the cube....

I left it like that for the kids to enjoy.
 
2013-09-03 04:10:40 PM
What? People under 35 aren't the best managers? People older than that, maybe in their 40s and 50s are better managers in general? What the hell?
 
2013-09-03 04:10:53 PM
"how corporate America really works" ?

Because fark y o u that's why.

Mystery explained, glad to help.
 
2013-09-03 04:11:19 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

It's a popular myth that young people alllll know about everything about computers. I blew some minds one day by pressing shift-ctrl-K in Firefox then clicking on the cube....

I left it like that for the kids to enjoy.


That's nothing compared to what your mom blew.
 
2013-09-03 04:12:16 PM
Well, what happened?
 
2013-09-03 04:13:10 PM
They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.
 
2013-09-03 04:15:16 PM
yay capitalism
 
2013-09-03 04:15:47 PM
I've worked for both publicly traded and privately held corporations.

I'll stick with the privately held, they've treated me better, but better is a relative term.
 
2013-09-03 04:16:55 PM
Anyone else pissed off by this?

"Gen Y bosses: entitled and out for themselves"
"...widely perceived as entitled"
"Entitled workers, those who feel they are owed things from their organization..."

And then this:
"A 2010 study by Paul Harvey, then an assistant professor of management at the University of New Hampshire, found that entitled employees are more likely to feel frustrated on the job and to lash out at colleagues."

I wonder if this 2010 study is using the same scientifically-derived definition of "entitled" as the rest of this journalistic masterpiece, or if an overly-broad term is being applied to many different phenomena?


/posted via my internet entitlement at work
 
2013-09-03 04:17:21 PM

zedster: Rincewind53: As a member of this generation, I agree entirely with your statement that young people don't know jack shiat about tech. It's appalling how many of my cohort would find themselves completely stymied by a very basic tech problem.

I blame Apple.


As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking. So you have the tree octopus problem


I think mostly it's a fact that the user interface has become so friendly.  It used to take some critical thinking to use a computer and now you don't really need it.  Same for cars.  People knew how to fix cars more in the past because they broke down all the time.
 
2013-09-03 04:17:22 PM
As someone who just got hired on as a program director, for a substantial pay increase, I laugh at your inability to synergize, an upscale, out of the box paradigm, with company cross pollination.

/Actually it's summer camp and retreat center which basically means I'm going to get paid to run around in the woods, play with boats, and hit kids in the face with dodgeballs!
//Life is good.
 
2013-09-03 04:17:39 PM
Newsflash:  Young people make terrible managers because they lack experience.
 
2013-09-03 04:18:02 PM
I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.
 
2013-09-03 04:21:27 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma


Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.
 
2013-09-03 04:22:35 PM
"Kids these days!" - Adults every generation
 
2013-09-03 04:22:50 PM
So, basically, the 80s is back minus the goofy hair and shiatty music.

Wait.... Miley Cyrus....

So, basically, the 80s is back.

Russ1642: I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.


The talking for the sake of talking is what gets me. As a tech guy my bias is toward action, but if we're going to talk I want to at least talk in solid, meaningful ways using quantifying terms. This bullshiat where some people manage to employed solely for the sake of being employed drives me nuts.
 
2013-09-03 04:23:33 PM
Most jobs just amount to theater performances. We have so much technology and so many resources, it's impossible to have real jobs for everyone anymore. Instead of choosing to build a leisure society in which everyone benefits from our technology, we've built a society in which most people are just there to transfer money between m/billionaires.
 
2013-09-03 04:24:15 PM

12349876: I think mostly it's a fact that the user interface has become so friendly. It used to take some critical thinking to use a computer and now you don't really need it. Same for cars. People knew how to fix cars more in the past because they broke down all the time.


Advanced GUI's play some role but there is no excuse for not knowing the address bar from the search bar or the difference between HTTP and HTTPS by the time you enter the work force assuming you enter in an educated role.

3rd most searched term of all time on Google is Google because people don't understand how a search bar works
Google Trends Top 10 results
 
2013-09-03 04:24:42 PM

skozlaw: So, basically, the 80s is back minus the goofy hair and shiatty music.

Wait.... Miley Cyrus....

So, basically, the 80s is back.


Wake me when the 90's are back when it was acceptable to dress like a hobo
 
2013-09-03 04:27:25 PM

GhostfacedFiddlah: Anyone else pissed off by this?

"Gen Y bosses: entitled and out for themselves"
"...widely perceived as entitled"
"Entitled workers, those who feel they are owed things from their organization..."

And then this:
"A 2010 study by Paul Harvey, then an assistant professor of management at the University of New Hampshire, found that entitled employees are more likely to feel frustrated on the job and to lash out at colleagues."

I wonder if this 2010 study is using the same scientifically-derived definition of "entitled" as the rest of this journalistic masterpiece, or if an overly-broad term is being applied to many different phenomena?


/posted via my internet entitlement at work


No one else commented on the facile nature of asking a bunch of boomers their opinion about an age group?  Thanks for regurgitating peoples' biases as a "study" MSNBC, so that those same people can confirm their biases.  This is like asking Romney voters what Romney should've done different.
 
2013-09-03 04:27:53 PM
Wait a minute, Gen Y managers are rated lower... by whom?  By other Gen Y-ers?  Or by crusty Boomers who suck at mananagement, but refuse to blame themselves?
 
2013-09-03 04:28:08 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?

Nearly 31, and never want to be a people manager.


One should not want to be a slave or a master.
 
2013-09-03 04:28:48 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma


We were setting up our new work stations a few months back and I figured "Hey let the kids set them up because they know everything" Two hours later and they managed to figure out how to open the boxes and get everything unwrapped. These things came with instructions and they had everything color coordinated.  Each of the 4 stations should have taken 15 min max to set up. Watching them change a tire gave me hours of enjoyment.
 
2013-09-03 04:28:59 PM

imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.


While this may be true, the world is still filled with people (of all ages) who couldn't google the directions out of a wet paper bag. A bit part of knowledge is knowing what you don't know and knowing how to find it. Crafting good search engine queries is a critical job skill and students fail at it again and again.

If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.
 
2013-09-03 04:29:35 PM
What the hell is a "culturally competent team"?

Is it because you included the Indian guy, and are making him do all the work?
 
2013-09-03 04:30:18 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Most jobs just amount to theater performances. We have so much technology and so many resources, it's impossible to have real jobs for everyone anymore. Instead of choosing to build a leisure society in which everyone benefits from our technology, we've built a society in which most people are just there to transfer money between m/billionaires.


Well said.
+1 Internets for you
 
2013-09-03 04:31:13 PM
Working for a wage is a sucker's bet anyway. The real reason that money management skills aren't taught in High School is that the entire system depends on generation after generation of wage earners voluntarily enslaving themselves and trading their finite lives for some toys that they are too exhausted to enjoy.


Gen Y, having grown up during an age of popular anti-heroes and unchecked corporate greed are nothing more than product of their environment. If they are selfish and entitled, that's only because that's the most production survival strategy.
 
2013-09-03 04:31:56 PM

ph0rk: If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.


$120.48
 
2013-09-03 04:32:01 PM

INeedAName: As someone who just got hired on as a program director, for a substantial pay increase, I laugh at your inability to synergize, an upscale, out of the box paradigm, with company cross pollination.

/Actually it's summer camp and retreat center which basically means I'm going to get paid to run around in the woods, play with boats, and hit kids in the face with dodgeballs!
//Life is good.


fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-09-03 04:33:51 PM

imgod2u: To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.


That might have been extreme examples but I've seen my peers unable to directly access a webpage or confused by pop-up ads made to look like AV warnings. Too much clicking without thinking. My feelings about social media can be summed up by The Onion
 
2013-09-03 04:36:17 PM

ph0rk: imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.

While this may be true, the world is still filled with people (of all ages) who couldn't google the directions out of a wet paper bag. A bit part of knowledge is knowing what you don't know and knowing how to find it. Crafting good search engine queries is a critical job skill and students fail at it again and again.

If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.


Most probably will, but not in the way you think. I bet at least a few will text/facebook message/tweet this and get a response from their Google-fu-powered friends in under five minutes. Especially if they're a cute girl.
 
2013-09-03 04:37:27 PM

zedster: imgod2u: To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.

That might have been extreme examples but I've seen my peers unable to directly access a webpage or confused by pop-up ads made to look like AV warnings. Too much clicking without thinking. My feelings about social media can be summed up by The Onion


Most of that isn't a problem on tablets and smartphones. Which is the majority of computing devices being used today.
 
2013-09-03 04:38:31 PM

imgod2u: zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma

Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.


What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.
 
2013-09-03 04:40:09 PM
As a gen Y manager, I'm geting a kick not giving a shiat about this.

/My employees like me.
//Not cut throat or entitled.
///I do Fark a bit too much at work though.
 
2013-09-03 04:40:39 PM

Gergesa: INeedAName: As someone who just got hired on as a program director, for a substantial pay increase, I laugh at your inability to synergize, an upscale, out of the box paradigm, with company cross pollination.

/Actually it's summer camp and retreat center which basically means I'm going to get paid to run around in the woods, play with boats, and hit kids in the face with dodgeballs!
//Life is good.

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x850]


I am debating a chainsaw. I will have to keep gas receipts, but the sounds is just so much more satisfying!
 
2013-09-03 04:40:41 PM
It's a good thing I'm gen x
Wait wait how does this factor into using fark while on the clock?

/all the milfs and interns are gone what the hell else am I suppose to do? work?
 
2013-09-03 04:41:53 PM
All you need to know:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-03 04:42:03 PM

FlashHarry: Grand_Moff_Joseph: noone is going to help you when the chips are set to fall.

[i43.tinypic.com image 314x354]

"Sorry, mate - you're on your own!"


Damn!  I was thinking that not only would I get some help with me chips, but it would've come from one of Herman's Hermits!

I was planning to use this pic . . .

userserve-ak.last.fm

. . .  but yours works better.
 
2013-09-03 04:42:09 PM
Ah, yes...  The age old story of how much more us old guys know.  It is, however true.

Back in the days of my old IBM PC that I had to boot up off a floppy, and no means of really navigating the OS unless you understood DOS commands.  In fact it was almost a necessity to understand BASIC at the very least, if you really wanted to do anything interesting.  It was possible to build a Frankenstein machine out of old parts.  Remember actually having to change jumpers on every piece of hardware so there were no conflicts?  Ah, those were the days.

If I were to try to get either one of my kids to make any sort of sense of that now, the first question would be, "where's the mouse?"

Computers are so ubiquitous nowadays that the old school ways are totally unneeded.  They more or less work like a TV now.  You turn it on.  It works.

I can't exactly say that this is good or bad.  But I would venture to say that there is some value in knowing the old-school, low-level version of things.  It really helps you get a grasp of what's going on in the background.  Assuming you really give a crap, which is perhaps another matter.
 
2013-09-03 04:44:23 PM

Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.


I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.
 
2013-09-03 04:46:58 PM

Space Station Wagon: Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.


=concatenate(A1," ",B1)


/saves so much time
 
2013-09-03 04:47:52 PM

Cargo: I was planning to use this pic . . .


cor blimey! 'e looks 14 there, 'e does!
 
2013-09-03 04:50:32 PM

DamnYankees: LasersHurt: Being good at a job no longer entitles you to good wages and a strong career. You have to be able and willing to aggressively pursue career changes and promotions if you want to make real money.

It sucks, but it's the way things are in a lot of places.

It's the result of our move from a wage-based economy to an asset-based economy. Happened under Reagan and has never stopped, and its caused serious, serious issues.


Is it trickling down yet?


durbnpoisn: Computers are so ubiquitous nowadays that the old school ways are totally unneeded.  They more or less work like a TV now.  You turn it on.  It works.

I can't exactly say that this is good or bad.  But I would venture to say that there is some value in knowing the old-school, low-level version of things.  It really helps you get a grasp of what's going on in the background.  Assuming you really give a crap, which is perhaps another matter.


www.resourcesforlife.com
 
2013-09-03 04:56:31 PM

zedster: Rincewind53: As a member of this generation, I agree entirely with your statement that young people don't know jack shiat about tech. It's appalling how many of my cohort would find themselves completely stymied by a very basic tech problem.

I blame Apple.


As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking. So you have the tree octopus problem


How the hell do people in Star Trek learn so much?!?!?
 
2013-09-03 04:57:19 PM

Shostie: "YOU, ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!"


This.  You can't raise a bunch of kids by telling them that "the biggest cocksucker wins" and expect them to learn ethics or dignity.
 
2013-09-03 04:57:55 PM

zedster: Space Station Wagon: Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

=concatenate(A1," ",B1)


/saves so much time


2.bp.blogspot.com

Can tell you a thing or two about concatenation.
 
2013-09-03 04:59:14 PM

give me doughnuts: What the hell is a "culturally competent team"?

Is it because you included the Indian guy, and are making him do all the work?


It means you can get them to kiss your ass by playing their on their fears of seeming insensitive and then paying them off each other.
 
2013-09-03 05:01:12 PM
People trust the cute people.  Gen Ys are the youngest people of working age, therefore the cutest, therefore the most trustworthy.


Yes, I know that that isn't reasonable, but we're talking about TV, movie and ad-addled Americans here.
 
2013-09-03 05:01:27 PM
At my previous firm, we brought in young staff auditors straight out of college. Never have I met a more entitled group of people. Not only did they require constant supervision and hourly feedback, most of them lacked any real drive -- they acted as if everything would be handed to them in due time. Most assumed they would be promoted after "putting in a whole year".

I get tired of reading articles suggesting Gen-X managers/leaders adapt to the Gen-Y'ers. Newsflash... it's a two-way street. It's time Gen-Y realises the corporate world is dog-eat-dog.

Don't get me wrong, there were some strong performers in the bunch, but they were outnumbered by the lazy-asses.
 
2013-09-03 05:04:53 PM
And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.
 
2013-09-03 05:06:03 PM

jankyboy: At my previous firm, we brought in young staff auditors straight out of college. Never have I met a more entitled group of people. Not only did they require constant supervision and hourly feedback, most of them lacked any real drive -- they acted as if everything would be handed to them in due time. Most assumed they would be promoted after "putting in a whole year".

I get tired of reading articles suggesting Gen-X managers/leaders adapt to the Gen-Y'ers. Newsflash... it's a two-way street. It's time Gen-Y realises the corporate world is dog-eat-dog.

Don't get me wrong, there were some strong performers in the bunch, but they were outnumbered by the lazy-asses.


I predict this has been said by every generation about the generation that enters the workforce after it since the entire history of western civilisation.

"Don't mind him - he's generation Sumeria - probably thinks lifting two pyramid blocks a day is what cuts it around here - back in my day the Pharoah would have had him whipped".
 
2013-09-03 05:08:48 PM

RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.


I figure half of the money I've made in IT came from reading the error message on the screen and looking up the answer.

/No. lady, the first thing I think of is NOT to check and see if you plugged the power supply from your massaging chair into the router.
 
2013-09-03 05:09:23 PM

Tigger: jankyboy: At my previous firm, we brought in young staff auditors straight out of college. Never have I met a more entitled group of people. Not only did they require constant supervision and hourly feedback, most of them lacked any real drive -- they acted as if everything would be handed to them in due time. Most assumed they would be promoted after "putting in a whole year".

I get tired of reading articles suggesting Gen-X managers/leaders adapt to the Gen-Y'ers. Newsflash... it's a two-way street. It's time Gen-Y realises the corporate world is dog-eat-dog.

Don't get me wrong, there were some strong performers in the bunch, but they were outnumbered by the lazy-asses.

I predict this has been said by every generation about the generation that enters the workforce after it since the entire history of western civilisation.

"Don't mind him - he's generation Sumeria - probably thinks lifting two pyramid blocks a day is what cuts it around here - back in my day the Pharoah would have had him whipped".


Hell, I had to carry those damn blocks to school uphill both ways.
 
2013-09-03 05:12:50 PM
www.lamebook.com
 
2013-09-03 05:13:30 PM
I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.
 
2013-09-03 05:13:36 PM
Just applied for a job in a larger city with a substantial pay increase doing the same thing I've been doing the past 4 years.  I'm beyond qualified for the meat and potatoes requirements of the job, only thing is I know I won't get it because I don't have any professional work experience with HTML code.

I can imagine some dickhead Gen Y kid being the project manager.

I'm guessing posting pictures to fark doesn't count as the kind of experience they're looking for, but it was worth the effort and took up room on the resume. Fingers are crossed the HR person is a fellow farker.
 
2013-09-03 05:14:13 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

I figure half of the money I've made in IT came from reading the error message on the screen and looking up the answer.

/No. lady, the first thing I think of is NOT to check and see if you plugged the power supply from your massaging chair into the router.


Also, having a terminal window open and editing a prefs file or kext, or registry editor, or any of the command line tools usually elicits "YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT?!!"

I love my job.
No manager.
 
2013-09-03 05:16:22 PM

zedster: I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?


If done right, quite a bit. The ROI in social is significantly higher than the ROI in almost all traditional advertising, and higher than a large portion of other digital efforts.

Of course, it's impossible to convince boomers of this, even if you show them all sorts of pretty charts that clearly demonstrate value. Largely, this is because boomers assume that if it wasn't around when they were young, it's not really real and can safely be ignored. They're also terrified of things they can't understand, and think that they're smarter than everyone around them (up to and including very successful companies, many in the Fortune 500, that spend tons of money on social because they know there's a definite return there).

But I'm not bitter or anything.

More to the point of the article, is it possible that Gen Y managers are "seen" as entitled primarily by older workers who are bitter at their younger colleagues being put into positions of authority over them? Notice nowhere in the article, or the survey that it was based on, did they actually talk about any specific ways that Gen Y managers acted entitled. In fact, they didn't even actually bother to look at actual managerial actions or mindsets that would indicate that there was any entitlement going on. In FACT in fact, they specifically mentioned that Gen Y employees and managers were adaptable, ambitious, driven, and smart. So, with that, did nobody bother to say "Hmmm....these talented, ambitious, smart managers are jumping over the heads of older workers who can't keep up. How much of this "perceived" "entitlement" is actually bitterness and jealousy?"

I'm 29 and I've been put into managerial and leadership positions above people twice my age. From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), the boomers twice my age were the most recalcitrant, difficult, conniving, and petty employees I have ever worked with. We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good news.

People have been whining about how entitled Gen Y is and how much we like to think we're better than older workers, and what a bunch of asses we all are. Unfortunately, if you look at the actual data, Gen Y workers are better educated, more efficient, have a better grasp of leveraging technology to increase productivity, and are advancing through the ranks of corporate america faster than any generation before us - all despite putting more emphasis on work/life balance and reporting higher life satisfaction than other generations. So if you think we're acting like we're better than you, it's because objectively, we are. Sorry, I know that hurts, and I know it sucks getting passed up for a promotion a decade before retiring (we know it was your last shot at that corner office. Maybe if you worked harder, you would have made it!), but that's the way it is.
 
2013-09-03 05:18:46 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: skozlaw: So, basically, the 80s is back minus the goofy hair and shiatty music.

Wait.... Miley Cyrus....

So, basically, the 80s is back.

Wake me when the 90's are back when it was acceptable to dress like a hobo


was? am i doing it wrong still? just kill me before we get to the criss kross stage... fact is, people are people, they have generally been out for themself and will continue to do so because human nature is as such. i've never been good at the "cover your ass " stuff because im not the one usually screwing up, but when someone needs a body for that bus it sure helps. sad it has to be this way.
 
2013-09-03 05:20:18 PM

RottNDude: Also, having a terminal window open and editing a prefs file or kext, or registry editor, or any of the command line tools usually elicits "YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT?!!"


In my experience (and yes, I also "understand all that"), it's cheaper to just buy a new computer than to deal with trying to fix anything more serious than a stuck website. Especially since everything is backed up to a remote server instantaneously anyway.
 
2013-09-03 05:23:02 PM
What to do when a younger boss throws you under the bus and you lose your job: Apply for unemployment and get turned down. Appeal and call that boss as a witness. Ask them difficult questions you can prove in writing, and when they perjure themselves, sue the company using the transcript of the hearing as evidence.

It worked for me. I got a payout, and the brown-nosing satan-skank of a boss got fired. None of this would have happened if I'd been treated fairly.

/Sleeps just fine at night
 
2013-09-03 05:23:11 PM

imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell.


Hold on, so basic Excel skills and simple command line operations are considered "knowing the inner workings of a computer" nowadays?

Yikes.
 
2013-09-03 05:26:48 PM
Citing a study and not linking to that study is piss-poor journalism. Was it some sort of survey? Who were the respondents? What was the respondents' demographic?  How big a group was surveyed? What questions were asked? Was it limited to the USA or did it cover other countries?
Sweeping generalizations and anecdotal evidence don't constitute valid support for conclusions.
Kelley Holland, your blog sucks.
 
2013-09-03 05:27:52 PM

imgod2u: Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.


Actually, teaching a manager excelle here has made their jobs easier and require less paperwork from us. Excelle is an underrated management tool that needs to be used more often for tracking metrics and the like in meaningful ways. It is not so much needed for office jobs, but middle management anywhere can find uses for excelle.
 
2013-09-03 05:29:44 PM

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


The whole generational nonsense is stupid and haphazard anyway and only serves to fill space and satisfy various bias held by people who can't enjoy life.
 
2013-09-03 05:30:34 PM
Lusiphur:

The short answer to your question is that this study is meaningless if it isn't longitudinal. EVERYONE thinks the generation beneath them are lazy shiftless ne'erdowells.
 
2013-09-03 05:31:53 PM

r1niceboy: What to do when a younger boss throws you under the bus and you lose your job: Apply for unemployment and get turned down. Appeal and call that boss as a witness. Ask them difficult questions you can prove in writing, and when they perjure themselves, sue the company using the transcript of the hearing as evidence.

It worked for me. I got a payout, and the brown-nosing satan-skank of a boss got fired. None of this would have happened if I'd been treated fairly.

/Sleeps just fine at night


Yeah, that's one approach.  I still remember when you just showed up, did what you did, made it work and cashed  your check  without all the K Mart power struggles.  There's something to be said for the dignity of that, IMHO.  I believe that as soon as your workplace turns into some soap opera pissing match of passive aggressive shenanigans, your workplace is full of people who have very little to offer the company other than keeping the serfs in line.
 
2013-09-03 05:32:32 PM

Lusiphur: zedster: I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

If done right, quite a bit. The ROI in social is significantly higher than the ROI in almost all traditional advertising, and higher than a large portion of other digital efforts.

Of course, it's impossible to convince boomers of this, even if you show them all sorts of pretty charts that clearly demonstrate value. Largely, this is because boomers assume that if it wasn't around when they were young, it's not really real and can safely be ignored. They're also terrified of things they can't understand, and think that they're smarter than everyone around them (up to and including very successful companies, many in the Fortune 500, that spend tons of money on social because they know there's a definite return there).

But I'm not bitter or anything.

More to the point of the article, is it possible that Gen Y managers are "seen" as entitled primarily by older workers who are bitter at their younger colleagues being put into positions of authority over them? Notice nowhere in the article, or the survey that it was based on, did they actually talk about any specific ways that Gen Y managers acted entitled. In fact, they didn't even actually bother to look at actual managerial actions or mindsets that would indicate that there was any entitlement going on. In FACT in fact, they specifically mentioned that Gen Y employees and managers were adaptable, ambitious, driven, and smart. So, with that, did nobody bother to say "Hmmm....these talented, ambitious, smart managers are jumping over the heads of older workers who can't keep up. How much of this "perceived" "entitlement" is actually bitterness and jealousy?"

I'm 29 and I've been put into managerial and leadership positions above people twice my age. From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), th ...


Like, all the boomers? I hate to tell you this but everybody that runs a business gets idiot clients.  This isn't a Gen Y problem.  It's a people without brains problem.

Unlike you, I find idiots exist at all ages.  I don't find Gen Y people particularly smarter or dumber.
 
2013-09-03 05:32:41 PM

RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.


People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fix them on their own barring extenuating circumstances.
 
2013-09-03 05:33:17 PM

imgod2u: Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.


Meanwhile, I have about 10 spreadsheets open on my PC right now. I can only imagine what the accounting team is doing with it
 
2013-09-03 05:34:16 PM
I'm self employed and my boss is a sexual harassing hard-ass.
 
2013-09-03 05:34:59 PM
Companies whose business involves physical product, payroll, purchasing, accounts payable, loans, interest, billing, or basically quantifying and measuring things, can make good use of Excel. It's one of the most powerful, most widely distributed, business tools in existence.
 
2013-09-03 05:35:39 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: The whole generational nonsense is stupid and haphazard anyway and only serves to fill space and satisfy various bias held by people who can't enjoy life.


Bing.  According to demographic studies, different people are different ages at different times.  The vast and mind collection of pigeonholes we need to stuff each other into are largely designed to keep us hating each other's guts or feeling entitled / disenfranchised or somehow smugly superior.  I have never felt the need to subscribe to any of the sociocultural nano slices of allegiance that are drummed up constantly, or to sew one of their patches on my coat sleeve.
 
2013-09-03 05:36:55 PM

006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fi ...


So, you're complaining that you have a job because some people prefer to talk to a real live person for help?

Dude, you helping customers builds an immense amount of goodwill (assuming you actually give the correct answer and you're polite about it).  This is what makes companies retain and build their customer base.  But hey, keep whining.
 
2013-09-03 05:38:56 PM

ph0rk: If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.


"Siri, what is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?"

/don't have an iPhone so I don't know if this works or not
//Wolfram Alpha got it wrong, but did understand "$20 in 1970 worth today"
 
2013-09-03 05:39:02 PM
12349876: ...People knew how to fix cars more in the past because they broke down all the time.

Well, somewhat. There's also the issue of complexity. Take a look under the hood of most cars from 1970, for example, and compare them to cars from 2000. The engine compartment is crammed full of stuff and 90% of it requires specialized equipment to read off the scan codes just to figure out what's wrong.
 
2013-09-03 05:41:05 PM

Tigger: The short answer to your question is that this study is meaningless if it isn't longitudinal. EVERYONE thinks the generation beneath them are lazy shiftless ne'erdowells.


My point exactly. Especially when someone half your age is appointed to oversee your department.

Shazam999: Like, all the boomers? I hate to tell you this but everybody that runs a business gets idiot clients.  This isn't a Gen Y problem.  It's a people without brains problem.

Unlike you, I find idiots exist at all ages.  I don't find Gen Y people particularly smarter or dumber.


Are you saying it's impossible that certain generations grew up in an environment that molded the way they think, thus making it more likely that certain cohorts would be dumber/smarter? I would disagree. Especially when it comes to technology. I find that older people, when introduced to a technological evolution, are more likely to grasp on to its possibilities for enhancing their lives than boomers are.
 
2013-09-03 05:41:29 PM

groppet: We were setting up our new work stations a few months back and I figured "Hey let the kids set them up because they know everything" Two hours later and they managed to figure out how to open the boxes and get everything unwrapped. These things came with instructions and they had everything color coordinated. Each of the 4 stations should have taken 15 min max to set up. Watching them change a tire gave me hours of enjoyment.


its even more fun when you think that they all make way more than you do!
 
2013-09-03 05:44:01 PM

Ivo Shandor: ph0rk: If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.

"Siri, what is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?"

/don't have an iPhone so I don't know if this works or not
//Wolfram Alpha got it wrong, but did understand "$20 in 1970 worth today"


116.00.  Progress!
 
2013-09-03 05:45:05 PM

Lusiphur: Tigger: The short answer to your question is that this study is meaningless if it isn't longitudinal. EVERYONE thinks the generation beneath them are lazy shiftless ne'erdowells.

My point exactly. Especially when someone half your age is appointed to oversee your department.

Shazam999: Like, all the boomers? I hate to tell you this but everybody that runs a business gets idiot clients.  This isn't a Gen Y problem.  It's a people without brains problem.

Unlike you, I find idiots exist at all ages.  I don't find Gen Y people particularly smarter or dumber.

Are you saying it's impossible that certain generations grew up in an environment that molded the way they think, thus making it more likely that certain cohorts would be dumber/smarter? I would disagree. Especially when it comes to technology. I find that older people, when introduced to a technological evolution, are more likely to grasp on to its possibilities for enhancing their lives than boomers are.


Older people?  So that's why Schmidt was brought into Google.
 
2013-09-03 05:47:46 PM

groppet: We were setting up our new work stations a few months back and I figured "Hey let the kids set them up because they know everything" Two hours later and they managed to figure out how to open the boxes and get everything unwrapped.


Are you taking into account the apparent fact that people can no longer remove a thing from a box without making a 10 minute YouTube video out of the process?
 
2013-09-03 05:48:40 PM
I find that any given individual will or will not be able to grasp any given construct according to their abilities and education.  Oddly.
 
2013-09-03 05:50:18 PM

Shazam999: 006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little e ...


I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.
 
2013-09-03 05:50:55 PM
I am seriously going to start copying and pasting this.

I was born in 1983. Hulk Hogan and Reagan told me that communists were bad and trying to kill me. My maps and globes had the USSR on them. I remember "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall". I remember Saddam Hussein and READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES. I was in freaking middle school when grunge peaked.  I was in college when the twin towers fell.

Do not lump me in with someone who grew up with cell phones, zero tolerance, dvrs, and the internet.

Jerks.
 
2013-09-03 05:51:22 PM

Lusiphur: We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good new


You "fired" a client? Or did you just stop doing business with them? Just wondering. Also keep in mind that the story is reporting on a survey of workplace opinions, it is not making any actual statement about Gen Y itself. The only statement they are really saying is "Hey, here's this survey. The results are so skewed and pervasive against Gen Y that experts we spoke to say there is almost certainly something more substantive there than just spite and bias."

Glad you're not my manager, your reading comprehension flat sucks, I want my boss to actually be able to understand what he's read.
 
2013-09-03 05:51:57 PM

bunner: I find that any given individual will or will not be able to grasp any given construct according to their abilities and education.  Oddly.


Party pooper
 
2013-09-03 05:56:22 PM
I can assemble, rack, loom and I/O configure a rack of blades from components in my sleep.  I can't write the code for the motherf*ckers, but when somebody who can shows up, they'll work.  People don't pay me to do this because I'm over 50.  The brave new world is mostly people basing job reviews on biases and whose ass gets kissed along the correct bias lines.  So, yeah, cowards waving their "but, see, I'm young and I know what's what" flags.  If you all agree that the older uncool people "can't possibly understand" ~n, it helps to keep your ass from hanging out when you hire one.  Because you don't.  Because older people don't get it.  *snort*
 
2013-09-03 05:58:03 PM

Space Station Wagon: bunner: I find that any given individual will or will not be able to grasp any given construct according to their abilities and education.  Oddly.

Party pooper


That's NAZI party pooper, to you, little mister.   :  )
 
2013-09-03 05:59:52 PM

Lusiphur: I'm 29 and I've been put into managerial and leadership positions above people twice my age. From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), the boomers twice my age were the most recalcitrant, difficult, conniving, and petty employees I have ever worked with.



images.tvrage.com
                        Make the noise, Bundy
 
2013-09-03 06:00:31 PM

ZombieBear: imgod2u: Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.

Actually, teaching a manager excelle here has made their jobs easier and require less paperwork from us. Excelle is an underrated management tool that needs to be used more often for tracking metrics and the like in meaningful ways. It is not so much needed for office jobs, but middle management anywhere can find uses for excelle.


Oh, there's no question that being able to master complex spreadsheets with equations and formulas can help improve efficiency in all sorts of areas. Hell, the janitor could probably keep track of peak poop time with a mobile app to better anticipate when to clean the stalls more frequently and when he can take a break and fark some kinky office chicks.

But the point is, it's not required today. Most jobs are tedious and filled with 99% busywork.
 
2013-09-03 06:01:07 PM

bunner: I can assemble, rack, loom and I/O configure a rack of blades from components in my sleep.  I can't write the code for the motherf*ckers, but when somebody who can shows up, they'll work.  People don't pay me to do this because I'm over 50.  The brave new world is mostly people basing job reviews on biases and whose ass gets kissed along the correct bias lines.  So, yeah, cowards waving their "but, see, I'm young and I know what's what" flags.  If you all agree that the older uncool people "can't possibly understand" ~n, it helps to keep your ass from hanging out when you hire one.  Because you don't.  Because older people don't get it.  *snort*


Attaboy! Thats the Fark spirit!
 
2013-09-03 06:03:17 PM
Lusipher:From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), the boomers twice my age were the most recalcitrant, difficult, conniving, and petty employees I have ever worked with.

I can see where people who weren't raised to stick their lips against any ass stuck in their face could be perceived as problematic.
 
2013-09-03 06:04:00 PM

Space Station Wagon: Attaboy! Thats the Fark spirit!


No it isn't.   :  )
 
2013-09-03 06:04:02 PM

MrJesus: I am seriously going to start copying and pasting this.

I was born in 1983. Hulk Hogan and Reagan told me that communists were bad and trying to kill me. My maps and globes had the USSR on them. I remember "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall". I remember Saddam Hussein and READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES. I was in freaking middle school when grunge peaked.  I was in college when the twin towers fell.

Do not lump me in with someone who grew up with cell phones, zero tolerance, dvrs, and the internet.

Jerks.


The kids coming up now will never understand that feeling of discovering a wrinkly, waterlogged stash of penthouse magazines in the woods. They will never know what it's like to watch the Spice Channel through the scrambler.
 
2013-09-03 06:05:20 PM

Magnanimous_J: MrJesus: I am seriously going to start copying and pasting this.

I was born in 1983. Hulk Hogan and Reagan told me that communists were bad and trying to kill me. My maps and globes had the USSR on them. I remember "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall". I remember Saddam Hussein and READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES. I was in freaking middle school when grunge peaked.  I was in college when the twin towers fell.

Do not lump me in with someone who grew up with cell phones, zero tolerance, dvrs, and the internet.

Jerks.

The kids coming up now will never understand that feeling of discovering a wrinkly, waterlogged stash of penthouse magazines in the woods. They will never know what it's like to watch the Spice Channel through the scrambler.


Amen, brother. We had to work for our pr0n.
 
2013-09-03 06:07:28 PM
"Jayden in accounting..."
 
2013-09-03 06:10:44 PM

006deluxe: I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.


I understand.  Your website is not "wasted".  It fills a need for certain people.  Other people will phone.

Hey, we have the same thing here. 95% of our users understand our product very quickly.  4.99% need training that we gladly provide.  0.01% need us to hold their hand.  And that's fine, because those 0.01% are very, very grateful that they get to talk to someone that is fluent in English and can solve their problem. Believe me, it's a huge deal.
 
2013-09-03 06:11:35 PM

jankyboy: Amen, brother. We had to work for our pr0n.


It's always funny to me how one era's perceived limitations or inconveniences are another era's cultural benchmarks.  I think we just forget to be feel good about figuring out stuff on our own.
 
2013-09-03 06:19:01 PM

Shazam999: 006deluxe: I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.

I understand.  Your website is not "wasted".  It fills a need for certain people.  Other people will phone.

Hey, we have the same thing here. 95% of our users understand our product very quickly.  4.99% need training that we gladly provide.  0.01% need us to hold their hand.  And that's fine, because those 0.01% are very, very grateful that they get to talk to someone that is fluent in English and can solve their problem. Believe me, it's a huge deal.


There is the old 80/20 rule which states that 20% of your customers take up 80% of your time. There is a strategy that suggests companies should "fire" those troublesome 20% and send them to their competitors. Sneaky but effective.
 
2013-09-03 06:19:21 PM
Young people are stupid. Har Har.
 
2013-09-03 06:22:04 PM
FYI boomers: Just because generation Y regards cocaine as a hard drug and didn't walk around with a dusty nose for a decade doesn't make us lazy.

/it's actually all of the weed that's like 100x the quality of any of that brown Mexican brick garbage you had back in the day
//don't be jealous
 
2013-09-03 06:24:50 PM
I remember early in my career, fresh out of university,  being the youngest guy by ten years or more, put in to work with a team of older guys who'd been around a while.  Theoretically by job title I was now their boss, but our supervisor never allowed me to pull rank like that; I had to win them over for any collective enterprise we did, and run things by consensus.  So I did. It took weeks of patiently explaining why I was asking to do something a new way ("from that there book-larnin' school, damn college boy"), but they eventually saw that I actually knew my stuff, I had  a theoretical basis for everything I asked them to do,  and that what I asked them to do had positive results, which made the team look good, and we eventually got along great. The process helped me improve my listening skills and increased my empathy at the same time, so we built a good team with high esprit d'corps. It's at the point now where when we work as a team, it looks like we run by telepathy; everybody knows their role, anybody can make a suggestion, and consensus is quick.

Nowadays, I'm at the other end of the same telescope: I have to work under the commands and approvals of 20-something kids who weren't even old enough to drive when I was already an old hand at the job... and I marvel how little they seem to have learned from their school, compared to my day.  They never surprise me by seeming smarter than I am, they often ask painfully dumb questions that reveal a lack of background I find frightening. They are coming out measurably dumber, IMO.

I do get a strong sense of what has been mentioned earlier, that anything more than ten (hell, five) years back is buried with the dinos and irrelevant, as far as they are concerned, and that they think they're inventing old things for the first time, every day.  They also demonstrate reduced empathy and communication skill, preferring to keep their noses in their smartphones at all times, to just talking things over. They don't think of the crew they're working with any differently than they consider the waitstaff at their coffee shop.

So, I guess this is karmic payback to my own youth, but at least I grew from the experience and became better in a short time.  These kids today... I worry.
 
2013-09-03 06:31:04 PM
Every generation prides itself on what it has managed to throw away from the previous generation, cause, "Gahhhhhd, so stupid!1".  This is usually followed by the brief period of "oops, sh*t" and the people who notice that some of that old crap was necessary and revive it manage to get elected to political office for being "practical and level headed", and this allows them to get huge amounts of money from lobbyists and retire in comfort.  It's the American dream.  This time, we've thrown pretty much the bathwater, the baby and the tub out and replaced them with a filing system.  So now, we aspire to be a nation of file clerks.  I can't WAIT to see how this one turns out.   :  )
 
2013-09-03 06:33:12 PM

Zeno-25: FYI boomers: Just because generation Y regards cocaine as a hard drug and didn't walk around with a dusty nose for a decade doesn't make us lazy.

/it's actually all of the weed that's like 100x the quality of any of that brown Mexican brick garbage you had back in the day
//don't be jealous


So, dope as an achievement unlocked when blowing smirk at a generation that was all f*cked up about... dope.  Wow.
 
2013-09-03 06:36:21 PM

red5ish: Shazam999: 006deluxe: I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.

I understand.  Your website is not "wasted".  It fills a need for certain people.  Other people will phone.

Hey, we have the same thing here. 95% of our users understand our product very quickly.  4.99% need training that we gladly provide.  0.01% need us to hold their hand.  And that's fine, because those 0.01% are very, very grateful that they get to talk to someone that is fluent in English and can solve their problem. Believe me, it's a huge deal.

There is the old 80/20 rule which states that 20% of your customers take up 80% of your time. There is a strategy that suggests companies should "fire" those troublesome 20% and send them to their competitors. Sneaky but effective.


If you can charge the 20% more money, then they're not so troublesome.
 
2013-09-03 06:37:24 PM

LasersHurt: Being good at a job no longer entitles you to good wages and a strong career. You have to be able and willing to aggressively pursue career changes and promotions if you want to make real money.

It sucks, but it's the way things are in a lot of places.


Which propagates itself in fewer houses built and sold (and all that goes with them), lower birthrates, less long-term investment, and an overall lack of permanence along with the shrinking middle class. They may have more of money, but never settle down to spend it or live with it. What helped to create the middle class in this country is not just higher wages and better working conditions, but the societal shifts that allowed people to stay put and invest where they were, in one place. Without that, our future economy is screwed as people constantly roam the country and the world, bouncing from job to job to job every few years and never coming "home"... because they have none. Or rather, they never made one.
 
2013-09-03 06:54:57 PM
Nice to see greed and selfishness is still tending well.

Worked so well for your parents and grandparents, but this time for sure!
 
2013-09-03 06:55:41 PM

Shazam999: If you can charge the 20% more money, then they're not so troublesome.


If they account for 80% of your expenses then you may have to charge a LOT, but your point is well taken. I'm sure it is advisable to evaluate situations with more than just a 'rule of thumb' strategy.
 
2013-09-03 06:56:42 PM
They're only douchebags because that's what they're taught to be in MBA school. They buy into it wholesale because of the upper middle class lifestyle that comes with it. We are not a nice species.

/ 20+ years in business, seen enough
 
2013-09-03 06:56:52 PM

DamnYankees: LasersHurt: Being good at a job no longer entitles you to good wages and a strong career. You have to be able and willing to aggressively pursue career changes and promotions if you want to make real money.

It sucks, but it's the way things are in a lot of places.

It's the result of our move from a wage-based economy to an asset-based economy. Happened under Reagan and has never stopped, and its caused serious, serious issues.


I'd say it has more to do with the greater percentage of profits and wages going to management today as compared to 30 years ago.
 
2013-09-03 06:58:05 PM

Ivo Shandor: ph0rk: If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.

"Siri, what is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?"

/don't have an iPhone so I don't know if this works or not
//Wolfram Alpha got it wrong, but did understand "$20 in 1970 worth today"




Gas alone skews that.

How many cheeseburgers can you buy with that?
 
2013-09-03 06:58:31 PM
Raises hand: Younger managers are cheaper and less jaded.

That is all.
 
2013-09-03 07:04:05 PM

OptionC: imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell.

Hold on, so basic Excel skills and simple command line operations are considered "knowing the inner workings of a computer" nowadays?

Yikes.


The amount of stuff you needed to know to maintain a computer in working condition has fallen substantially in the last decade. So, yeah. It does. You're lucky if someone knows how to plug-in a thumb drive.
 
2013-09-03 07:05:17 PM
I think they use this exact same article every generation, just moving each generation up a notch.

"Those darned elementary school children.  All they ever think about is recess.  They are not in any way like serious high school students, or determined college students.  What will become of society when the elementary school children are in college and they expect recess breaks all the time?  Woe is us."
 
2013-09-03 07:12:28 PM
Most of them don't get paid shiat, they hump a chicken called Reward for Service. LOL
 
2013-09-03 07:14:49 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

It's a popular myth that young people alllll know about everything about computers. I blew some minds one day by pressing shift-ctrl-K in Firefox then clicking on the cube....

I left it like that for the kids to enjoy.


Like impressing grandma by moving her heavy* furniture.


*what one's frail grandma would consider heavy.
 
2013-09-03 07:15:41 PM

bunner: Every generation prides itself on what it has managed to throw away from the previous generation, cause, "Gahhhhhd, so stupid!1".  This is usually followed by the brief period of "oops, sh*t" and the people who notice that some of that old crap was necessary and revive it manage to get elected to political office for being "practical and level headed", and this allows them to get huge amounts of money from lobbyists and retire in comfort.  It's the American dream.  This time, we've thrown pretty much the bathwater, the baby and the tub out and replaced them with a filing system.  So now, we aspire to be a nation of file clerks.  I can't WAIT to see how this one turns out.   :  )


So bring back rotary phones and teletype machines?
 
2013-09-03 07:16:31 PM

zedster: 12349876: I think mostly it's a fact that the user interface has become so friendly. It used to take some critical thinking to use a computer and now you don't really need it. Same for cars. People knew how to fix cars more in the past because they broke down all the time.

Advanced GUI's play some role but there is no excuse for not knowing the address bar from the search bar or the difference between HTTP and HTTPS by the time you enter the work force assuming you enter in an educated role.

3rd most searched term of all time on Google is Google because people don't understand how a search bar works
Google Trends Top 10 results


If you really want to blow their minds
 
2013-09-03 07:17:22 PM
"Good job, buddy!  Good job!"  Some "I read all the success books" butterhead I mixed hundreds of shows for used to hand me that crap.  I told him to can it.  "Well then what should I say?"  "How about 'thank you'?"  Simple courtesy.  The weakness of of the old!  *snort*
 
2013-09-03 07:19:51 PM

fusillade762: So bring back rotary phones and teletype machines?


You know, of all the kneejerk assumptions, false equivalencies are my favorite.  Let me buy you a beer.

i.istockimg.com
 
2013-09-03 07:23:22 PM
Gen Y bosses: entitled and out for themselves, study says


Didn't need that word in the headline.
 
2013-09-03 07:25:33 PM

Shostie: "YOU, ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!"


I know I'm late to the thread, but thank you so much for this.  I came in here just for this and there it was, in blaring font, as the second post of the thread.  God bless you.
 
2013-09-03 07:26:37 PM
Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.
 
2013-09-03 07:27:27 PM

bunner: Bing.  According to demographic studies, different people are different ages at different times.  The vast and mind collection of pigeonholes we need to stuff each other into are largely designed to keep us hating each other's guts or feeling entitled / disenfranchised or somehow smugly superior.  I have never felt the need to subscribe to any of the sociocultural nano slices of allegiance that are drummed up constantly, or to sew one of their patches on my coat sleeve.


Yup! That's exactly it, you rugged individualist, you. There is absolutely no way that people can be grouped together based on certain known factors. No sir, it's all a giant scheme to trick you. I mean, it's not at all stupid to think that people with multiple phd's make millions of dollars every year putting together and analyzing demographic groups for multi-billion dollar corporation despite there being nothing to it.

I mean, fark, maybe you should get in contact with Coke or Toyota or something and let them know that they can stop spending all that money.

Madbassist1: Lusiphur: We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good new

You "fired" a client? Or did you just stop doing business with them? Just wondering. Also keep in mind that the story is reporting on a survey of workplace opinions, it is not making any actual statement about Gen Y itself. The only statement they are really saying is "Hey, here's this survey. The results are so skewed and pervasive against Gen Y that experts we spoke to say there is almost certainly something more substantive there than just spite and bias."

Glad you're not my manager, your reading comprehension flat sucks, I want my boss to actually be able to understand what he's read.


We "fired" a client. That's what it's generally called when you go to a client and say "Hey, we don't care how much you want to pay us, you're too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it." Firing clients is something people do, and is in pretty common usage across many different industries and professions.

Also, you'll note that most of my post was actually exactly about the same thing you pointed out - that it IS a survey of workplace opinions, and not a statement of fact, however the article and the talking heads they dredged up to talk about it are clearly implying that there is something wrong with Gen Y, despite the fact that there is nothing to indicate that this survey is remotely valid. So what were you saying about reading comprehension?
 
2013-09-03 07:29:06 PM

PsiChick: Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.


Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.
 
2013-09-03 07:31:00 PM

Lusiphur: There is absolutely no way that people can be grouped together based on certain known factors.


OF course they can.  It's largely meaningless and designed to make people stare at a TeeVee screen and say "That's MEEE!", but uh, so what, frankly.

Lusiphur: No sir, it's all a giant scheme to trick you.


Then they need a new giant scheme.  :  )
 
2013-09-03 07:40:43 PM
The cheapskate business types are pretty much ruining humanity with their layoffs, outsourcing, cartel forming, paper-shuffling and politician-bribing.
 
2013-09-03 07:42:03 PM

Lusiphur: PsiChick: Gen XBoomers: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X Boom'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.

Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.


...FTFM.

/Thanks for pointing that out
//Preview is my  friend.
 
2013-09-03 07:46:31 PM

zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking


No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wrong with that.

What we are seeing now with the Millenials is the first computer-using generation that doesn't know anything about computers. That's not a knock on them, because the same thing happened to the automobile industry when it exploded after the second world war. It happens to EVERY highly complex industry when it reaches critical mass.
 
2013-09-03 07:48:06 PM
I'm pretty sure being a psychopathic out for themselves, toss your friends under the bus dickhole is a quality of any "leadership" in an "organization", regardless of what generation they draw from.

That said, every genY I work with is a colossal shiatbag that needs cockpunched constantly just to do their farking job. They need to go back to playing XBOX and posting shirtless selfies of themselves all over the internet.
 
2013-09-03 07:50:07 PM

red5ish: Shazam999: 006deluxe: I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.

I understand.  Your website is not "wasted".  It fills a need for certain people.  Other people will phone.

Hey, we have the same thing here. 95% of our users understand our product very quickly.  4.99% need training that we gladly provide.  0.01% need us to hold their hand.  And that's fine, because those 0.01% are very, very grateful that they get to talk to someone that is fluent in English and can solve their problem. Believe me, it's a huge deal.

There is the old 80/20 rule which states that 20% of your customers take up 80% of your time. There is a strategy that suggests companies should "fire" those troublesome 20% and send them to their competitors. Sneaky but effective.


I've seen it done and seen it take a company on shaky footing and act as that final push into insolvency and bankruptcy.

Which meant the first company ended up with the troublesome customers again...
 
2013-09-03 07:51:51 PM

PsiChick: Lusiphur: PsiChick: Gen XBoomers: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X Boom'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.

Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.

...FTFM.

/Thanks for pointing that out
//Preview is my  friend.




I knew you were going to do that.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:17 PM
So they're saying that Gen Y managers are just like all the older managers and executives in my office, but paid less. Um, OK. So... meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

God I hate working for a company whose owner is literally personal friends with Mitt Romney.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:28 PM

Lusiphur: We "fired" a client. That's what it's generally called when you go to a client and say "Hey, we don't care how much you want to pay us, you're too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it." Firing clients is something people do, and is in pretty common usage across many different industries and professions.


LOL no, that's what its called on TV, but you go.

Lusiphur: Also, you'll note that most of my post was actually exactly about the same thing you pointed out - that it IS a survey of workplace opinions, and not a statement of fact, however the article and the talking heads they dredged up to talk about it are clearly implying that there is something wrong with Gen Y, despite the fact that there is nothing to indicate that this survey is remotely valid. So what were you saying about reading comprehension?


No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:53 PM
The first? Please.

It's always been funny to me (even when I was younger and dumber) when young people act like everything they do and experience is new, because it's new to them.

"Hey, man, corporate America is full of suck-ups who would throw a baby off a tall building for a promotion! I must tell the world of this brand-new revelation that is is in no way something that's been going on since people invented work."
 
2013-09-03 08:01:49 PM

Lusiphur: Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.


No, just boomers proper.

Most Boomers held off having kids until their 30s (ie: the 80s), and that's when the Millenial baby boom began.
 
2013-09-03 08:03:04 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cheapskate business types are pretty much ruining humanity with their layoffs, outsourcing, cartel forming, paper-shuffling and politician-bribing.


But our quarterly P&L is up 3%!  That means a bonus!  And I can take my wife someplace that isn't full the surly, ill used serfs that my business practices create!
 
2013-09-03 08:05:53 PM
as a manager on the very fringe of the Gen Y spectrum, I don't agree that with the assessment as much as you just have a douche manager. I, personally, am working on my next promotion. actively. and my people know it. I'm also working on two of my peoples as well(I have 18 I'm responsible for). I won't sacrifice my people for my own gain. one, that gets nothing but resentment from your people. two, I want these people to emulate my ethics and do the same to their subordinates when they are in my position.

TL;DR: not all millenials are like this, change corporate America from the inside.
 
2013-09-03 08:07:31 PM
Bony assed shirt and tie kids traded in the old school fat swine in a suit "harrumph, sirrah!" for the new hotness of "no, see, this is how it works because I said so" and got finger pointy.  Next slide, please.
 
2013-09-03 08:08:23 PM

jayphat: change corporate America from the inside.


So, petrol and a Bic?
 
2013-09-03 08:10:56 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma


FYI: that campaign is responsible for a 37% growth in sales over the first two years. if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.
 
2013-09-03 08:12:28 PM

bunner: jayphat: change corporate America from the inside.

So, petrol and a Bic?


I love you Brits. Honest to god I do.
 
2013-09-03 08:13:29 PM

jayphat: if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.


If you're a marketing team, you will also drive a steamroller over said kittens to sell crap even you don't like.  Marketing weenies.  They are to commerce what shyster lawyers are to litigation.
 
2013-09-03 08:22:45 PM
27. Fast tracked management at a fortune 500. I had enough money and power when I was first hired as a mid level software developer, nevermind where I'm at now.

Seriously. I'm looking at buying a second house so I have one to commute from during the week and a better one in the country (which I already own outright) for weekends. I can't spend my money as fast as they give it to me.

The only reason I tolerate promotion is because I think I can help this place be less awful, more profitable and so I can advocate for my worthy contemporaries and former colleagues.
 
2013-09-03 08:23:32 PM

Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?


I never wanted to be promoted past my level of competence.

...unfortunately that happened in my first position.
 
2013-09-03 08:24:14 PM

bunner: jayphat: if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.

If you're a marketing team, you will also drive a steamroller over said kittens to sell crap even you don't like.  Marketing weenies.  They are to commerce what shyster lawyers are to litigation.

what a marketing team may look like that would steamroll said kittensstatic.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-09-03 08:38:39 PM
Worked on this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2479464/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
Steve in Accounting vs. the Shadow Dwellers. Kinda funny.
/will be at the SLC Comicon this Saturday
//directed by two actors that were in Trolls 2
 
2013-09-03 08:41:12 PM

Zeno-25: They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.


That quote is getting written in the bathroom at work tomorow.
 
2013-09-03 08:42:05 PM

Ishkur: zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking

No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wrong with ...


I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?
 
2013-09-03 08:44:42 PM

Russ1642: I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.


My front desk clerk and I used to drink (unfortunately nothing alcoholic) every time our last boss would use the word "utilize". She was early 30s, had a horrible sense of entitlement. Despised her

/37
//off my damn lawn
 
2013-09-03 08:45:58 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: That would be Gen X, we're lazy but apathetic.

Y is the one who feels self entitled despite their laziness



Whatever
 
2013-09-03 08:49:53 PM

Charlie Freak: I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?


I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).

/Neil Stephenson was a prophet: the gargoyles are coming.
 
2013-09-03 08:54:13 PM

QueenMamaBee: My front desk clerk and I used to drink (unfortunately nothing alcoholic) every time our last boss would use the word "utilize". She was early 30s, had a horrible sense of entitlement. Despised her


A lot of the women I have worked for would affect an air of mild annoyance with everything and everybody as they seemed to equate it with leadership and authority.  I wish it weren't true, but most of hem were "Excuse me, this is me, being in charge and stuff.  So, whatever".  That was their management "style", period.  I avoid female bosses and I only take female clients if they can mail the stuff to me, sign the check and then go sit by the mailbox without going all "Eww waahh!" on my ass.  That saddens me, actually, because more than a few of them were sort of pleasant at closing time.  The worst ones were the ones who weren't actually in charge of sh*t but thought being a whiny, annoyed complaint dispenser would make them LOOK like they were.  I can't even sit through that sh*t with a buzzword bingo card.
 
2013-09-03 08:55:10 PM

ZombieBear: imgod2u: Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.

Actually, teaching a manager excelle here has made their jobs easier and require less paperwork from us. Excelle is an underrated management tool that needs to be used more often for tracking metrics and the like in meaningful ways. It is not so much needed for office jobs, but middle management anywhere can find uses for excelle.


Excelle, the professional women's networking site, or Excel the spreadsheet?
 
2013-09-03 08:57:38 PM

Ishkur: I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).


Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened. The mistake you nerds make is you assume that everyone has your patience, time and money to re-invent the wheel just because you feel like it.

Take a look at all the different materials used just for your dollar store knick knacks...
 
2013-09-03 08:59:58 PM

Charlie Freak: I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?


Sadly, we're sort of low on killer apps, but that's as it should be because endless growth is basically physically untenable in any frame.  The last ones, in order, were distributable alternating current, internal combustion, linear print and methodical agriculture.  Everything else is sort of riding their coat tails.  I think the next new jack ooh ah is going to be maintenance, rebuilding and repurposing.  Taking a tool kit and a paintbrush to all this sh*t we already built.  It doesn't create money out of a bag of hot air, though, so maybe not.
 
2013-09-03 09:04:48 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened.


Yeah, because look at all the designer brand name screws and washers and socket wrenches that people scramble to buy on a seasonal basis so they can stay ahead of what's hip and hot in the hardware scene.

You are a god damn retard and your false equivocations are tiring, boring, and FALSE.

Seriously: Grow the fark up.

/haven't you heard? Philips heads are soooo last year. Everyone builds with Robertson heads now.
 
2013-09-03 09:06:11 PM
We're all moved in.  We're at the cut point where we can pretend that there's endless resources to harvest and exploit until we've erased our economy and history or start preserving them.  There's no more endless promise just over the next hill that doesn't offer a view of a whole bunch of cars in the oncoming lane looking for the same thing you are.  And that's why Europe is still a cooler place to go on holiday than here.  There's 400 year old buildings with 3 year old paint on them.  Scorched earth, pocket the pelf and pack up the tents is no longer tenable.  Not even for the people who invented it.
 
2013-09-03 09:12:09 PM

006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fi ...


Thats one of the major issues I have as well the lack of critical thinking and it's not one generation it's people in everyone. I had one idiot call in a copy machine to the service because it was out of toner and they couldnt follow the simple instructions on the display to change it. The thing that pisses me off the most is my company will not let me be part of the hiring of people for my own damn staff. They send me the reject de jour and tell me that they are an "expert". Makes ya wanna go postal.
 
2013-09-03 09:12:27 PM

Charlie Freak: Ishkur: zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking

No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wro ...




War.
War.
War.

/The History nut in me loves that they are called cohorts.
 
2013-09-03 09:22:20 PM

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened.

Yeah, because look at all the designer brand name screws and washers and socket wrenches that people scramble to buy on a seasonal basis so they can stay ahead of what's hip and hot in the hardware scene.

You are a god damn retard and your false equivocations are tiring, boring, and FALSE.

Seriously: Grow the fark up.

/haven't you heard? Philips heads are soooo last year. Everyone builds with Robertson heads now.


Yes yes yes. Of course. Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets. Yes yes. No one wears functional clothes either.

You dunce.
 
2013-09-03 09:24:21 PM

groppet: Thats one of the major issues I have as well the lack of critical thinking and it's not one generation it's people in everyone. I had one idiot call in a copy machine to the service because it was out of toner and they couldnt follow the simple instructions on the display to change it. The thing that pisses me off the most is my company will not let me be part of the hiring of people for my own damn staff. They send me the reject de jour and tell me that they are an "expert". Makes ya wanna go postal.


You have just delineated the precise idiocy of the imaginary line between "the people who do stuff with their hands" and "the people who are 'business' people".  You have also made the crux of this thread, the wellspring of incompetence and douchebaggery in the business world as being distributed along generational lines, moot and - pointed out the lack of interest that people have in the success of any department not reflecting upon their position as being inconsequential.  That's called undermining.  Thank you for that.  You just gave a 101  class on why corporate hooery is at best, farcical and at worst, a 30' tree blocking the road.
 
2013-09-03 09:26:37 PM

Lusiphur: RottNDude: Also, having a terminal window open and editing a prefs file or kext, or registry editor, or any of the command line tools usually elicits "YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT?!!"

In my experience (and yes, I also "understand all that"), it's cheaper to just buy a new computer than to deal with trying to fix anything more serious than a stuck website. Especially since everything is backed up to a remote server instantaneously anyway.


I hear you, my brand new Dell keeps showing some kind of weird 404 error whenever I go to "aklsdfhajhfkjbmsanf.com".  I took it to Geek Squad and they charged me $300 to run an Evil Spirit Scan but that didn't fix it.  Then they tried to scam me on upgrading to an Exorcism Scan for $100 more but I'm no dummy.  They were going to use tap water instead of real Holy Water.

/farking Apple
 
2013-09-03 09:28:46 PM
37, tripled my salary in 5 years and recently made director of dev so im getting a kick
 
2013-09-03 09:29:19 PM

FlashHarry: Elandriel: I wonder if they are worried about themselves because a shiatload of them are not making enough money to make ends meet and watching completely unequal compensation go to the owners and boards of said corporations

i think it's more a case of them being educated in schools that awarded medals for ninth place. they've been coddled since birth and expect to be coddled at work too.

/gen x.
//harumph!


Or it could be that they came up poor, enlisted in the military, got out and got a job making just enough to keep up with the Joneses in DC, worked 60-80 hour weeks, buried themselves under a mountain of debt, lost their family, and when push came to shove, when it was time for management to step up and act like they give a shiat, all they heard from the top was "unfark yourself or you won't just be divorced, you'll be divorced and fired. Dumbass."

All the while, the CEO manipulates the stock price to get tens of millions.

No, I'm not bitter. I'm not bitter at all.
 
2013-09-03 09:30:31 PM
Fat people don't get fat taking their fair portion at the buffet.

Why we vilify one type of glutton (fat people), but worship another (the extremely rich) is the real question.
 
2013-09-03 09:34:53 PM
On a positive note, the ranks of Gen Y whiners should be thinned by the impending draft.

/ just kidding
// or maybe not
/// buy the kevlar iPhone case just to be safe
 
2013-09-03 09:35:31 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools


FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.
 
2013-09-03 09:36:48 PM

Ishkur: Like the automobile and automobile


this should say "like the automobile and computers".
 
2013-09-03 09:37:31 PM
If they can get that entitlement thing under control, that will really be something to anticipate.

As Sparta said to Philip of Macedon...
 
2013-09-03 09:41:08 PM

Madbassist1: No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.


"Part of Gen Y's management problem may just be inexperience. The next older cohort, Gen X, ages 33 to 48, were perceived as the strongest managers by 70 percent of survey respondents, Twaronite said. "

See how they imply that these "perceived" problems are actually REAL problems? Are you going to apologize for being a pompous twit, or are you going to pretend that this means something different than "Gen Y has problems with managing". Reading comprehension much?

By the way, firing clients is something that professional services firms do pretty regularly. Maybe not in Dayton, but over here in civilization, it's a pretty common expression. Catch the next turnip truck into town and catch up on the last 50 years of linguistic development. Also, learn to read articles with a critical eye towards where they're leading the reader. It might help you not look like such an idiot when complaining about others' reading comprehension.

Ishkur: No, just boomers proper.

Most Boomers held off having kids until their 30s (ie: the 80s), and that's when the Millenial baby boom began.


That actually makes sense. Thanks for the tidbit of info.
 
2013-09-03 09:41:16 PM

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools

FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.


You could have thrown the PC build analogy THEN called him a cretin.
 
2013-09-03 09:43:34 PM
3D printing is going to, once it trickles to mass prosumer level distribution, largely be a jazzy party favor.  It's going to be an etch a sketch that makes a slinky.
 
2013-09-03 09:52:19 PM

ph0rk: imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.

While this may be true, the world is still filled with people (of all ages) who couldn't google the directions out of a wet paper bag. A bit part of knowledge is knowing what you don't know and knowing how to find it. Crafting good search engine queries is a critical job skill and students fail at it again and again.

If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.


$120.48, got it in less than 20 seconds. Hiring?

/A couple interviews away from pulling a Chihiro and going "I'M NOT LEAVING UNTIL YOU GIVE ME A JOB"
//I've already worked for Yubaba and No-Face
 
2013-09-03 09:53:03 PM

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: I hear you, my brand new Dell keeps showing some kind of weird 404 error whenever I go to "aklsdfhajhfkjbmsanf.com".  I took it to Geek Squad and they charged me $300 to run an Evil Spirit Scan but that didn't fix it.  Then they tried to scam me on upgrading to an Exorcism Scan for $100 more but I'm no dummy.  They were going to use tap water instead of real Holy Water.


Dude, don't get me started on the stupidity of some users. My fiance is brilliant with digital strategy, can talk her way out of hell, and can dig into the inner workings of a social network and find a way to abuse the hell out of it for profit, but her general approach to dealing with any computer issues is to keep hitting the same button again and again and cursing at her machine.

But in some real sense, I don't blame those people. Specialization is an awesome thing, and it allows people to become really really really good at one thing, while at the same time keeping them really stupid at other things. Combined with the low cost of computers, and the prevalence of IT guys means they don't have to know how to fix their PC. But on the other hand, most IT jocks would have no idea how to put together a quarterly report, design a product, or give a presentation that doesn't put half the audience to sleep (sorry, it sucks to hear, but I've been doing a lot of writing for IT companies lately, and the first drafts they get me to rewrite are atrocious).

So while we may biatch and moan about people who can't turn a computer on, remember that most of them have skills you don't, and they complain about you and your inadequacies, too.
 
2013-09-03 09:57:17 PM
Woah.  It's like Gen Y thinks that the high level corporate goon working 9 to 5 shouldn't be making 1100% more than the engineer putting in 55 hours a week to finish their project with an overly ambition product delivery date.   Gen Y is crazy.
 
2013-09-03 10:05:03 PM

Prophet of Loss: Fat people don't get fat taking their fair portion at the buffet.

Why we vilify one type of glutton (fat people), but worship another (the extremely rich) is the real question.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-03 10:27:29 PM

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


We missed the cutoff point for Gen X by one year and got stuck with the entitled whiner generation. :(
 
2013-09-03 10:44:13 PM
You know what gen X, gen Y, the boomers and millennials  and the Republicans and the Democrats all shave in common?  They're essentially meaningless designer labels.
 
2013-09-03 10:45:12 PM
share in common.  Sorry
 
2013-09-03 10:59:05 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Ishkur: I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).

Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened. The mistake you nerds make is you assume that everyone has your patience, time and money to re-invent the wheel just because you feel like it.

Take a look at all the different materials used just for your dollar store knick knacks...




A more apt comparison would be the explosion of self publishing that occurred after the Mac+laser came about and the recent increase in self published ebooks.

The corner dollar store may be where you get your widget 3d printed.
 
2013-09-03 11:00:15 PM
Of course, the real crux of this issue is that, the genius red herring question of "what is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" (according to seasonally adjusted federal reserve economic data anywhere from $123.12 to $117.25, depending on the month) leaves out key costs and does not reflect true buying power of real median incomes.

Nominal Median incomes went from approximately $6,700 to $28,000. . . . increase of 320% vs 500% increase in fudged CPI prices. . .

Here's a hint, it ain't the shiatty entitled Gen Y (or otherwise generation) managers holding you down, it's the CEO, President, Vice Presidents, and Board. (and Obama of course, Thanks Obama!)
 
2013-09-03 11:01:07 PM

chasd00: 37, tripled my salary in 5 years and recently made director of dev so im getting a kick




Ouch, only 3 years from 40. Enjoy your next 3 years.
 
2013-09-03 11:04:46 PM
It's so much that the wealthy jerkoffs are trying to hold you down, they're simply trying to keep people from figuring out that they pulled the ladder up, cut the straps off your boots and are most likely putting your boots up on craigslist.  At least until the last drop is squeezed from the lemon.  It's not that you're being held down.  It's just that "up" is out of stock.
 
2013-09-03 11:06:31 PM

Lusiphur: zedster: I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

If done right, quite a bit. The ROI in social is significantly higher than the ROI in almost all traditional advertising, and higher than a large portion of other digital efforts.

Of course, it's impossible to convince boomers of this, even if you show them all sorts of pretty charts that clearly demonstrate value. Largely, this is because boomers assume that if it wasn't around when they were young, it's not really real and can safely be ignored. They're also terrified of things they can't understand, and think that they're smarter than everyone around them (up to and including very successful companies, many in the Fortune 500, that spend tons of money on social because they know there's a definite return there).

But I'm not bitter or anything.

More to the point of the article, is it possible that Gen Y managers are "seen" as entitled primarily by older workers who are bitter at their younger colleagues being put into positions of authority over them? Notice nowhere in the article, or the survey that it was based on, did they actually talk about any specific ways that Gen Y managers acted entitled. In fact, they didn't even actually bother to look at actual managerial actions or mindsets that would indicate that there was any entitlement going on. In FACT in fact, they specifically mentioned that Gen Y employees and managers were adaptable, ambitious, driven, and smart. So, with that, did nobody bother to say "Hmmm....these talented, ambitious, smart managers are jumping over the heads of older workers who can't keep up. How much of this "perceived" "entitlement" is actually bitterness and jealousy?"

I'm 29 and I've been put into managerial and leadership positions above people twice my age. From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), th ...




Had one applicant explain how his "semester at sea" worked. 13 days of drinking. 1 day of schooling.
I expect him to make CEO by 30*.

*assuming he can keep his executive hair.
 
2013-09-04 12:03:32 AM

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools

FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.


Yes, just like everyone got CNC machines back then. Remember that? Oh yeah, never happened.

Oh remember when everyone got 3D printers the first time they came around in 1996?

www.zelkovaltd.com

Oh yeah, never happened.

Remember when people keep comparing information processing to physical processing of matter?

Yeah, dumbfarks with no clue do that.

3D printing will never be more than a niche thing in the home, or extremely expensive and specialized machinery run by a staff.

But keep comparing immaterial information processing to physical matter processing.

After all, home computers have a million times more memory than they had 30 years ago, so clearly a 747 from 1969 must be close to light speed now, eh?

You mewling puke.

HempHead: A more apt comparison would be the explosion of self publishing that occurred after the Mac+laser came about and the recent increase in self published ebooks.


And another dipshiat comparing sending immaterial bits over some wires to physical processing of matter.
 
2013-09-04 12:38:39 AM
All I know is if some snot-nosed gen Y punk is going to end up 'managing' me, I'd better get a 200% raise on the spot or I'm walking.

/cranky gen Xer
 
2013-09-04 12:41:53 AM

skozlaw: So, basically, the 80s is back minus the goofy hair and shiatty music.

Wait.... Miley Cyrus....

So, basically, the 80s is back.

Russ1642: I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.

The talking for the sake of talking is what gets me. As a tech guy my bias is toward action, but if we're going to talk I want to at least talk in solid, meaningful ways using quantifying terms. This bullshiat where some people manage to employed solely for the sake of being employed drives me nuts.


The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.
 
2013-09-04 12:45:14 AM

autopsybeverage: The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.


If you step back a few feet, you will notice that that dog and pony have been fully employed around here since WW I, decade notwithstanding.
 
2013-09-04 01:00:16 AM
You know how, when people give a speech, they rise and fall in fervor and cadence, to a given crescendo to make a point?

And then they repeat that over and over with the most effective rhetoric?

Now replace "speech" with "governance" and "rhetoric" with "propaganda".  Add sketchy business practices and bought and paid for legislation to taste.  Serve cold with Kool Aid.

And that's how the world works, Charlie Brown.  Same moose muffins, different flags, different uniforms, different historical climate.
 
2013-09-04 01:04:17 AM

bunner: autopsybeverage: The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.

If you step back a few feet, you will notice that that dog and pony have been fully employed around here since WW I, decade notwithstanding.


I know, and they have been resting on their laurels since the 50s. At least we got them to stop grabbing their secretaries' asses a while ago.
 
2013-09-04 05:36:10 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Oh remember when everyone got 3D printers the first time they came around in 1996?


Yeah, just like when everybody sprung for a horseless carriage when it came out in 1879.

Holy shiat, stop it with the stupid false equivalencies you stupendous dumbass.
 
2013-09-04 05:36:13 AM

PsiChick: Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.


We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.

You know, the ones who spent their youth consuming every illicit drug known to humanity and now throw people in jail for smoking a joint?

The ones who spat on soldiers returning from Vietnam and now send younger men and women to die in a desert for lies?

Those ones?

Because they're a really good role model, all right.
 
2013-09-04 06:25:10 AM

006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fi ...


About that driver vs. mechanic scenario someone mentioned earlier....

Maybe you should chill on the rage thing.

The reason you have a job is because people don't want to deal with their computer issues. Much the same way that I hire someone to fix my car, unstop my toilet.

Am I capable of doing it myself. Probably. But why should someone sit and figure something out - taking more time - when they actually HIRED someone who has the damned answer and deals with this issue on the daily. Why should I spend an hour or so hunting and pecking on Google and various IT forums and such when *gasp* I have someone that I actually pay to perform that function for me.

If you don't like your job or why you have to do it, then get into another line of work. But people not doing the job that you get paid to do doesn't make them stupid. It makes them uniformed on tasks that you have mastered. I'm pretty sure there are aspects of their job that you might not understand either.

But the whiny "ZOMG, I can't believe somebody didn't know that" attitude is childish.
 
2013-09-04 07:15:10 AM

Rueened: We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.


So, you have no self direction, just grab any crutch that's handy?  I suppose if you're gonna fake a limp, that's a good crutch.
 
2013-09-04 08:39:03 AM

Lusiphur: Madbassist1: No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.

"Part of Gen Y's management problem may just be inexperience. The next older cohort, Gen X, ages 33 to 48, were perceived as the strongest managers by 70 percent of survey respondents, Twaronite said. "

See how they imply that these "perceived" problems are actually REAL problems? Are you going to apologize for being a pompous twit, or are you going to pretend that this means something different than "Gen Y has problems with managing". Reading comprehension much?

By the way, firing clients is something that professional services firms do pretty regularly. Maybe not in Dayton, but over here in civilization, it's a pretty common expression. Catch the next turnip truck into town and catch up on the last 50 years of linguistic development. Also, learn to read articles with a critical eye towards where they're leading the reader. It might help you not look like such an idiot when complaining about others' reading comprehension.


Ok. Lets start at the top. You post a bunch of completely untrue drivel about how this story makes all kinds of accusations about Gen Y without backing it up. You then go on to trumpet your firm's management skills by citing a client you couldn't manage. You then continue to defend yourself by demonstrating an inability to distinguish between imply and infer. The article implies nothing, you twit. I read it for the straightforward piece that it was (which I summarized in an earlier post). The ENTIRETY of your argument you INFERRED from the content of the article.

After that you insinuate that I must not have knowledge of corporate shenanigans because I live in (HURR HURR) Dayton. I do live in Dayton. Its got one of the cheapest airports in the country. I use it weekly to fly all over the country.

But the farking icing on the cake (and I don't for the life of me get this) is you live in farking BILOXI???

Oh I get it...This is it. It HAS to be.

cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-09-04 10:13:00 AM

lymond01: Raises hand: Younger managers are cheaper and less jaded.

That is all.


This. In engineering and education these days, middle managers don't even make more money for the extra responsibilities of managing their staff, doing timecards, approvals, reviews, etc. ... They just have to make do with the satisfaction of having upper management breathe down your neck, and being able to take that out on someone else's annual raise.

I'll just stick to the standard bump and grind until I feel comfortable enough to start my own scam... I mean business, thank you.
 
2013-09-04 12:01:42 PM

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


No doubt.  I was born in 1970 and I bet you didn't have an internet connection in HS (or at least very late).

I think the generation divide should be at the "I had internet" or "I had constant cell connection" points.

or to make it simpler answer this question - Was the Sears / JC Penny catalog was an important shopping tool for Xmas or did you browse Amazon? {US version of question}
 
2013-09-04 01:34:41 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes yes yes. Of course. Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets


Will 3D printers allow us to discretely print flesh lights and, err, other contraptions?
 
2013-09-04 01:57:35 PM

bunner: Rueened: We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.

So, you have no self direction, just grab any crutch that's handy?  I suppose if you're gonna fake a limp, that's a good crutch.


I'm proud of being a hypocrite.
 
2013-09-04 04:41:55 PM

MrJesus: I am seriously going to start copying and pasting this.

I was born in 1983. Hulk Hogan and Reagan told me that communists were bad and trying to kill me. My maps and globes had the USSR on them. I remember "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall". I remember Saddam Hussein and READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES. I was in freaking middle school when grunge peaked.  I was in college when the twin towers fell.

Do not lump me in with someone who grew up with cell phones, zero tolerance, dvrs, and the internet.

Jerks.


This. All of it.


/I feel entitled to steal your post for my own reasons
 
2013-09-04 05:36:13 PM

bunner: Shostie: "YOU, ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!"

This.  You can't raise a bunch of kids by telling them that "the biggest cocksucker wins" and expect them to learn ethics or dignity.


But they should be rather good at cocksucking, right?
 
2013-09-04 05:44:53 PM

Madbassist1: Lusiphur: We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good new

You "fired" a client? Or did you just stop doing business with them? Just wondering. Also keep in mind that the story is reporting on a survey of workplace opinions, it is not making any actual statement about Gen Y itself. The only statement they are really saying is "Hey, here's this survey. The results are so skewed and pervasive against Gen Y that experts we spoke to say there is almost certainly something more substantive there than just spite and bias."

Glad you're not my manager, your reading comprehension flat sucks, I want my boss to actually be able to understand what he's read.


Or perhaps, "hey, guess who reads more stuff online than all the other generations -- and guess how many clicks we'll earn if we badmouth them to their faces!"
 
2013-09-05 03:49:46 AM

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


I'm same as you, but the only thing I have in common with anyone born in 1970 or 1995 is an appreciation for Doc Marten's and repetitive synthesizer music. Other than that, nope, sorry. Intergenerations are as real as greater generations.
 
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