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(Today)   Researchers dismayed to find that Gen Y employees are the first to figure out how corporate America really works. I'd finish this headline, but I just got thrown under the bus by Steve in Accounting   (today.com) divider line 232
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2013-09-03 09:43:34 PM  
3D printing is going to, once it trickles to mass prosumer level distribution, largely be a jazzy party favor.  It's going to be an etch a sketch that makes a slinky.
 
2013-09-03 09:52:19 PM  

ph0rk: imgod2u: Tech savvy != knowing the inner workings of a computer.

To navigate the world today, the vast majority of cases involving technology does not require knowing how to create formulas in Excel nor being able to unmount network drives in Powershell. The vast majority of use cases for today's use of tech is being able to communicate through various social platforms at once, targeting and adjusting your feed and updates to the liking of your audience.

While the analogy of driver vs mechanic is valid, what most tasks requires today (and in the past as well) are good drivers, not good mechanics.

While this may be true, the world is still filled with people (of all ages) who couldn't google the directions out of a wet paper bag. A bit part of knowledge is knowing what you don't know and knowing how to find it. Crafting good search engine queries is a critical job skill and students fail at it again and again.

If I say something like "What is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" I expect one person in a room of 20 holding laptops to be able to figure it out in under five minutes. That's sad.


$120.48, got it in less than 20 seconds. Hiring?

/A couple interviews away from pulling a Chihiro and going "I'M NOT LEAVING UNTIL YOU GIVE ME A JOB"
//I've already worked for Yubaba and No-Face
 
2013-09-03 09:53:03 PM  

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: I hear you, my brand new Dell keeps showing some kind of weird 404 error whenever I go to "aklsdfhajhfkjbmsanf.com".  I took it to Geek Squad and they charged me $300 to run an Evil Spirit Scan but that didn't fix it.  Then they tried to scam me on upgrading to an Exorcism Scan for $100 more but I'm no dummy.  They were going to use tap water instead of real Holy Water.


Dude, don't get me started on the stupidity of some users. My fiance is brilliant with digital strategy, can talk her way out of hell, and can dig into the inner workings of a social network and find a way to abuse the hell out of it for profit, but her general approach to dealing with any computer issues is to keep hitting the same button again and again and cursing at her machine.

But in some real sense, I don't blame those people. Specialization is an awesome thing, and it allows people to become really really really good at one thing, while at the same time keeping them really stupid at other things. Combined with the low cost of computers, and the prevalence of IT guys means they don't have to know how to fix their PC. But on the other hand, most IT jocks would have no idea how to put together a quarterly report, design a product, or give a presentation that doesn't put half the audience to sleep (sorry, it sucks to hear, but I've been doing a lot of writing for IT companies lately, and the first drafts they get me to rewrite are atrocious).

So while we may biatch and moan about people who can't turn a computer on, remember that most of them have skills you don't, and they complain about you and your inadequacies, too.
 
2013-09-03 09:57:17 PM  
Woah.  It's like Gen Y thinks that the high level corporate goon working 9 to 5 shouldn't be making 1100% more than the engineer putting in 55 hours a week to finish their project with an overly ambition product delivery date.   Gen Y is crazy.
 
2013-09-03 10:05:03 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Fat people don't get fat taking their fair portion at the buffet.

Why we vilify one type of glutton (fat people), but worship another (the extremely rich) is the real question.


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2013-09-03 10:27:29 PM  

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


We missed the cutoff point for Gen X by one year and got stuck with the entitled whiner generation. :(
 
2013-09-03 10:44:13 PM  
You know what gen X, gen Y, the boomers and millennials  and the Republicans and the Democrats all shave in common?  They're essentially meaningless designer labels.
 
2013-09-03 10:45:12 PM  
share in common.  Sorry
 
2013-09-03 10:59:05 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Ishkur: I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).

Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened. The mistake you nerds make is you assume that everyone has your patience, time and money to re-invent the wheel just because you feel like it.

Take a look at all the different materials used just for your dollar store knick knacks...




A more apt comparison would be the explosion of self publishing that occurred after the Mac+laser came about and the recent increase in self published ebooks.

The corner dollar store may be where you get your widget 3d printed.
 
2013-09-03 11:00:15 PM  
Of course, the real crux of this issue is that, the genius red herring question of "what is $20 in 1970 worth in today's dollars?" (according to seasonally adjusted federal reserve economic data anywhere from $123.12 to $117.25, depending on the month) leaves out key costs and does not reflect true buying power of real median incomes.

Nominal Median incomes went from approximately $6,700 to $28,000. . . . increase of 320% vs 500% increase in fudged CPI prices. . .

Here's a hint, it ain't the shiatty entitled Gen Y (or otherwise generation) managers holding you down, it's the CEO, President, Vice Presidents, and Board. (and Obama of course, Thanks Obama!)
 
2013-09-03 11:01:07 PM  

chasd00: 37, tripled my salary in 5 years and recently made director of dev so im getting a kick




Ouch, only 3 years from 40. Enjoy your next 3 years.
 
2013-09-03 11:04:46 PM  
It's so much that the wealthy jerkoffs are trying to hold you down, they're simply trying to keep people from figuring out that they pulled the ladder up, cut the straps off your boots and are most likely putting your boots up on craigslist.  At least until the last drop is squeezed from the lemon.  It's not that you're being held down.  It's just that "up" is out of stock.
 
2013-09-03 11:06:31 PM  

Lusiphur: zedster: I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

If done right, quite a bit. The ROI in social is significantly higher than the ROI in almost all traditional advertising, and higher than a large portion of other digital efforts.

Of course, it's impossible to convince boomers of this, even if you show them all sorts of pretty charts that clearly demonstrate value. Largely, this is because boomers assume that if it wasn't around when they were young, it's not really real and can safely be ignored. They're also terrified of things they can't understand, and think that they're smarter than everyone around them (up to and including very successful companies, many in the Fortune 500, that spend tons of money on social because they know there's a definite return there).

But I'm not bitter or anything.

More to the point of the article, is it possible that Gen Y managers are "seen" as entitled primarily by older workers who are bitter at their younger colleagues being put into positions of authority over them? Notice nowhere in the article, or the survey that it was based on, did they actually talk about any specific ways that Gen Y managers acted entitled. In fact, they didn't even actually bother to look at actual managerial actions or mindsets that would indicate that there was any entitlement going on. In FACT in fact, they specifically mentioned that Gen Y employees and managers were adaptable, ambitious, driven, and smart. So, with that, did nobody bother to say "Hmmm....these talented, ambitious, smart managers are jumping over the heads of older workers who can't keep up. How much of this "perceived" "entitlement" is actually bitterness and jealousy?"

I'm 29 and I've been put into managerial and leadership positions above people twice my age. From my experience (which is not statistically significant, mind you, but worth mentioning), th ...




Had one applicant explain how his "semester at sea" worked. 13 days of drinking. 1 day of schooling.
I expect him to make CEO by 30*.

*assuming he can keep his executive hair.
 
2013-09-04 12:03:32 AM  

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools

FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.


Yes, just like everyone got CNC machines back then. Remember that? Oh yeah, never happened.

Oh remember when everyone got 3D printers the first time they came around in 1996?

www.zelkovaltd.com

Oh yeah, never happened.

Remember when people keep comparing information processing to physical processing of matter?

Yeah, dumbfarks with no clue do that.

3D printing will never be more than a niche thing in the home, or extremely expensive and specialized machinery run by a staff.

But keep comparing immaterial information processing to physical matter processing.

After all, home computers have a million times more memory than they had 30 years ago, so clearly a 747 from 1969 must be close to light speed now, eh?

You mewling puke.

HempHead: A more apt comparison would be the explosion of self publishing that occurred after the Mac+laser came about and the recent increase in self published ebooks.


And another dipshiat comparing sending immaterial bits over some wires to physical processing of matter.
 
2013-09-04 12:38:39 AM  
All I know is if some snot-nosed gen Y punk is going to end up 'managing' me, I'd better get a 200% raise on the spot or I'm walking.

/cranky gen Xer
 
2013-09-04 12:41:53 AM  

skozlaw: So, basically, the 80s is back minus the goofy hair and shiatty music.

Wait.... Miley Cyrus....

So, basically, the 80s is back.

Russ1642: I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.

The talking for the sake of talking is what gets me. As a tech guy my bias is toward action, but if we're going to talk I want to at least talk in solid, meaningful ways using quantifying terms. This bullshiat where some people manage to employed solely for the sake of being employed drives me nuts.


The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.
 
2013-09-04 12:45:14 AM  

autopsybeverage: The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.


If you step back a few feet, you will notice that that dog and pony have been fully employed around here since WW I, decade notwithstanding.
 
2013-09-04 01:00:16 AM  
You know how, when people give a speech, they rise and fall in fervor and cadence, to a given crescendo to make a point?

And then they repeat that over and over with the most effective rhetoric?

Now replace "speech" with "governance" and "rhetoric" with "propaganda".  Add sketchy business practices and bought and paid for legislation to taste.  Serve cold with Kool Aid.

And that's how the world works, Charlie Brown.  Same moose muffins, different flags, different uniforms, different historical climate.
 
2013-09-04 01:04:17 AM  

bunner: autopsybeverage: The 80s have been back for quite some time. Replace "Russia" and "nuclear war" with "Middle East" and "terrorist threats," add in the reemergence of greed culture, and raise it by the power of "Five Hour Energy" instead of "cocaine." You have a very watered down late 80s about to lead toa crappier 90s, which was a crappier 70s.

Also, I would like the ability to trim the original message when using the mobile site.

If you step back a few feet, you will notice that that dog and pony have been fully employed around here since WW I, decade notwithstanding.


I know, and they have been resting on their laurels since the 50s. At least we got them to stop grabbing their secretaries' asses a while ago.
 
2013-09-04 05:36:10 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Oh remember when everyone got 3D printers the first time they came around in 1996?


Yeah, just like when everybody sprung for a horseless carriage when it came out in 1879.

Holy shiat, stop it with the stupid false equivalencies you stupendous dumbass.
 
2013-09-04 05:36:13 AM  

PsiChick: Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.


We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.

You know, the ones who spent their youth consuming every illicit drug known to humanity and now throw people in jail for smoking a joint?

The ones who spat on soldiers returning from Vietnam and now send younger men and women to die in a desert for lies?

Those ones?

Because they're a really good role model, all right.
 
2013-09-04 06:25:10 AM  

006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fi ...


About that driver vs. mechanic scenario someone mentioned earlier....

Maybe you should chill on the rage thing.

The reason you have a job is because people don't want to deal with their computer issues. Much the same way that I hire someone to fix my car, unstop my toilet.

Am I capable of doing it myself. Probably. But why should someone sit and figure something out - taking more time - when they actually HIRED someone who has the damned answer and deals with this issue on the daily. Why should I spend an hour or so hunting and pecking on Google and various IT forums and such when *gasp* I have someone that I actually pay to perform that function for me.

If you don't like your job or why you have to do it, then get into another line of work. But people not doing the job that you get paid to do doesn't make them stupid. It makes them uniformed on tasks that you have mastered. I'm pretty sure there are aspects of their job that you might not understand either.

But the whiny "ZOMG, I can't believe somebody didn't know that" attitude is childish.
 
2013-09-04 07:15:10 AM  

Rueened: We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.


So, you have no self direction, just grab any crutch that's handy?  I suppose if you're gonna fake a limp, that's a good crutch.
 
2013-09-04 08:39:03 AM  

Lusiphur: Madbassist1: No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.

"Part of Gen Y's management problem may just be inexperience. The next older cohort, Gen X, ages 33 to 48, were perceived as the strongest managers by 70 percent of survey respondents, Twaronite said. "

See how they imply that these "perceived" problems are actually REAL problems? Are you going to apologize for being a pompous twit, or are you going to pretend that this means something different than "Gen Y has problems with managing". Reading comprehension much?

By the way, firing clients is something that professional services firms do pretty regularly. Maybe not in Dayton, but over here in civilization, it's a pretty common expression. Catch the next turnip truck into town and catch up on the last 50 years of linguistic development. Also, learn to read articles with a critical eye towards where they're leading the reader. It might help you not look like such an idiot when complaining about others' reading comprehension.


Ok. Lets start at the top. You post a bunch of completely untrue drivel about how this story makes all kinds of accusations about Gen Y without backing it up. You then go on to trumpet your firm's management skills by citing a client you couldn't manage. You then continue to defend yourself by demonstrating an inability to distinguish between imply and infer. The article implies nothing, you twit. I read it for the straightforward piece that it was (which I summarized in an earlier post). The ENTIRETY of your argument you INFERRED from the content of the article.

After that you insinuate that I must not have knowledge of corporate shenanigans because I live in (HURR HURR) Dayton. I do live in Dayton. Its got one of the cheapest airports in the country. I use it weekly to fly all over the country.

But the farking icing on the cake (and I don't for the life of me get this) is you live in farking BILOXI???

Oh I get it...This is it. It HAS to be.

cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-09-04 10:13:00 AM  

lymond01: Raises hand: Younger managers are cheaper and less jaded.

That is all.


This. In engineering and education these days, middle managers don't even make more money for the extra responsibilities of managing their staff, doing timecards, approvals, reviews, etc. ... They just have to make do with the satisfaction of having upper management breathe down your neck, and being able to take that out on someone else's annual raise.

I'll just stick to the standard bump and grind until I feel comfortable enough to start my own scam... I mean business, thank you.
 
2013-09-04 12:01:42 PM  

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


No doubt.  I was born in 1970 and I bet you didn't have an internet connection in HS (or at least very late).

I think the generation divide should be at the "I had internet" or "I had constant cell connection" points.

or to make it simpler answer this question - Was the Sears / JC Penny catalog was an important shopping tool for Xmas or did you browse Amazon? {US version of question}
 
2013-09-04 01:34:41 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes yes yes. Of course. Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets


Will 3D printers allow us to discretely print flesh lights and, err, other contraptions?
 
2013-09-04 01:57:35 PM  

bunner: Rueened: We learned all that hypocritical douchbaggery from the Boomers.

So, you have no self direction, just grab any crutch that's handy?  I suppose if you're gonna fake a limp, that's a good crutch.


I'm proud of being a hypocrite.
 
2013-09-04 04:41:55 PM  

MrJesus: I am seriously going to start copying and pasting this.

I was born in 1983. Hulk Hogan and Reagan told me that communists were bad and trying to kill me. My maps and globes had the USSR on them. I remember "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall". I remember Saddam Hussein and READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES. I was in freaking middle school when grunge peaked.  I was in college when the twin towers fell.

Do not lump me in with someone who grew up with cell phones, zero tolerance, dvrs, and the internet.

Jerks.


This. All of it.


/I feel entitled to steal your post for my own reasons
 
2013-09-04 05:36:13 PM  

bunner: Shostie: "YOU, ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!"

This.  You can't raise a bunch of kids by telling them that "the biggest cocksucker wins" and expect them to learn ethics or dignity.


But they should be rather good at cocksucking, right?
 
2013-09-04 05:44:53 PM  

Madbassist1: Lusiphur: We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good new

You "fired" a client? Or did you just stop doing business with them? Just wondering. Also keep in mind that the story is reporting on a survey of workplace opinions, it is not making any actual statement about Gen Y itself. The only statement they are really saying is "Hey, here's this survey. The results are so skewed and pervasive against Gen Y that experts we spoke to say there is almost certainly something more substantive there than just spite and bias."

Glad you're not my manager, your reading comprehension flat sucks, I want my boss to actually be able to understand what he's read.


Or perhaps, "hey, guess who reads more stuff online than all the other generations -- and guess how many clicks we'll earn if we badmouth them to their faces!"
 
2013-09-05 03:49:46 AM  

Klippoklondike: I wish they would stop generalizing generations like this.  I was born in 1983.  I have more in common with someone born in 1970 than I do with someone born in 1995.

Technology has moved so fast in the past 10-15 years, and our culture has changed as rapidly.


I'm same as you, but the only thing I have in common with anyone born in 1970 or 1995 is an appreciation for Doc Marten's and repetitive synthesizer music. Other than that, nope, sorry. Intergenerations are as real as greater generations.
 
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