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2013-09-03 07:26:37 PM
Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.
 
2013-09-03 07:27:27 PM

bunner: Bing.  According to demographic studies, different people are different ages at different times.  The vast and mind collection of pigeonholes we need to stuff each other into are largely designed to keep us hating each other's guts or feeling entitled / disenfranchised or somehow smugly superior.  I have never felt the need to subscribe to any of the sociocultural nano slices of allegiance that are drummed up constantly, or to sew one of their patches on my coat sleeve.


Yup! That's exactly it, you rugged individualist, you. There is absolutely no way that people can be grouped together based on certain known factors. No sir, it's all a giant scheme to trick you. I mean, it's not at all stupid to think that people with multiple phd's make millions of dollars every year putting together and analyzing demographic groups for multi-billion dollar corporation despite there being nothing to it.

I mean, fark, maybe you should get in contact with Coke or Toyota or something and let them know that they can stop spending all that money.

Madbassist1: Lusiphur: We ended up firing a client that my company was managing the marketing for because her in-house staff resented us being in charge and refused to do the work assigned to them. The client ended up crashing and burning very shortly afterwards, so there was some good new

You "fired" a client? Or did you just stop doing business with them? Just wondering. Also keep in mind that the story is reporting on a survey of workplace opinions, it is not making any actual statement about Gen Y itself. The only statement they are really saying is "Hey, here's this survey. The results are so skewed and pervasive against Gen Y that experts we spoke to say there is almost certainly something more substantive there than just spite and bias."

Glad you're not my manager, your reading comprehension flat sucks, I want my boss to actually be able to understand what he's read.


We "fired" a client. That's what it's generally called when you go to a client and say "Hey, we don't care how much you want to pay us, you're too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it." Firing clients is something people do, and is in pretty common usage across many different industries and professions.

Also, you'll note that most of my post was actually exactly about the same thing you pointed out - that it IS a survey of workplace opinions, and not a statement of fact, however the article and the talking heads they dredged up to talk about it are clearly implying that there is something wrong with Gen Y, despite the fact that there is nothing to indicate that this survey is remotely valid. So what were you saying about reading comprehension?
 
2013-09-03 07:29:06 PM

PsiChick: Gen X: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.


Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.
 
2013-09-03 07:31:00 PM

Lusiphur: There is absolutely no way that people can be grouped together based on certain known factors.


OF course they can.  It's largely meaningless and designed to make people stare at a TeeVee screen and say "That's MEEE!", but uh, so what, frankly.

Lusiphur: No sir, it's all a giant scheme to trick you.


Then they need a new giant scheme.  :  )
 
2013-09-03 07:40:43 PM
The cheapskate business types are pretty much ruining humanity with their layoffs, outsourcing, cartel forming, paper-shuffling and politician-bribing.
 
2013-09-03 07:42:03 PM

Lusiphur: PsiChick: Gen XBoomers: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X Boom'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.

Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.


...FTFM.

/Thanks for pointing that out
//Preview is my  friend.
 
2013-09-03 07:46:31 PM

zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking


No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wrong with that.

What we are seeing now with the Millenials is the first computer-using generation that doesn't know anything about computers. That's not a knock on them, because the same thing happened to the automobile industry when it exploded after the second world war. It happens to EVERY highly complex industry when it reaches critical mass.
 
2013-09-03 07:48:06 PM
I'm pretty sure being a psychopathic out for themselves, toss your friends under the bus dickhole is a quality of any "leadership" in an "organization", regardless of what generation they draw from.

That said, every genY I work with is a colossal shiatbag that needs cockpunched constantly just to do their farking job. They need to go back to playing XBOX and posting shirtless selfies of themselves all over the internet.
 
2013-09-03 07:50:07 PM

red5ish: Shazam999: 006deluxe: I'm always polite about it. A lot of our client base is made up of non-tech savvy end-users. I do cut a lot of slack. Sometimes people are in a hurry. Sometimes someone was delegated the task of fixing the problem and they don't even know where to start. Some people tried hard themselves and are just plain stumped. So it's not like I rue every call that I get and in general I'm very happy with my job. My gripes are mostly geared towards the professionals in the field that should know better.l

What is frustrating is the sheer amount of information that we make available in very prominent places that goes ignored. The amount of time and effort that went into making that information available in a manner that is easily accessed and easily digested by the customer is wasted if no one bothers to use it. When you get multiple calls/emails a day looking to download a template that someone would have had downright ignore to get the phone number or submit the form it gets old.

I understand.  Your website is not "wasted".  It fills a need for certain people.  Other people will phone.

Hey, we have the same thing here. 95% of our users understand our product very quickly.  4.99% need training that we gladly provide.  0.01% need us to hold their hand.  And that's fine, because those 0.01% are very, very grateful that they get to talk to someone that is fluent in English and can solve their problem. Believe me, it's a huge deal.

There is the old 80/20 rule which states that 20% of your customers take up 80% of your time. There is a strategy that suggests companies should "fire" those troublesome 20% and send them to their competitors. Sneaky but effective.


I've seen it done and seen it take a company on shaky footing and act as that final push into insolvency and bankruptcy.

Which meant the first company ended up with the troublesome customers again...
 
2013-09-03 07:51:51 PM

PsiChick: Lusiphur: PsiChick: Gen XBoomers: The people who nearly started riots at your soccer games because you weren't playing enough, who gave you all the technology you wanted then biatched about you using it, who used TV to raise you, who never let you learn on your own and called you, in class, every ten minutes for 'safety reasons', destroyed the economy and job market...

And then blame you for feeling entitled to a stable economy, job market, and social safety net, and maybe a paid vacation once in a while.

/Seriously. Do you Gen X Boom'ers even  realize how utterly douchebaggy you are? I'd prefer the company of a pants-below-the-butt retard who thinks 'swag' is vital and 'YOLO' is a life motto to someone who blames me for the choices they made.

Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.

...FTFM.

/Thanks for pointing that out
//Preview is my  friend.




I knew you were going to do that.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:17 PM
So they're saying that Gen Y managers are just like all the older managers and executives in my office, but paid less. Um, OK. So... meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

God I hate working for a company whose owner is literally personal friends with Mitt Romney.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:28 PM

Lusiphur: We "fired" a client. That's what it's generally called when you go to a client and say "Hey, we don't care how much you want to pay us, you're too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it." Firing clients is something people do, and is in pretty common usage across many different industries and professions.


LOL no, that's what its called on TV, but you go.

Lusiphur: Also, you'll note that most of my post was actually exactly about the same thing you pointed out - that it IS a survey of workplace opinions, and not a statement of fact, however the article and the talking heads they dredged up to talk about it are clearly implying that there is something wrong with Gen Y, despite the fact that there is nothing to indicate that this survey is remotely valid. So what were you saying about reading comprehension?


No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.
 
2013-09-03 07:53:53 PM
The first? Please.

It's always been funny to me (even when I was younger and dumber) when young people act like everything they do and experience is new, because it's new to them.

"Hey, man, corporate America is full of suck-ups who would throw a baby off a tall building for a promotion! I must tell the world of this brand-new revelation that is is in no way something that's been going on since people invented work."
 
2013-09-03 08:01:49 PM

Lusiphur: Just FYI, Gen Y's parents are young boomers, not Gen Xers, for the most part, unless you have really really young parents.


No, just boomers proper.

Most Boomers held off having kids until their 30s (ie: the 80s), and that's when the Millenial baby boom began.
 
2013-09-03 08:03:04 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The cheapskate business types are pretty much ruining humanity with their layoffs, outsourcing, cartel forming, paper-shuffling and politician-bribing.


But our quarterly P&L is up 3%!  That means a bonus!  And I can take my wife someplace that isn't full the surly, ill used serfs that my business practices create!
 
2013-09-03 08:05:53 PM
as a manager on the very fringe of the Gen Y spectrum, I don't agree that with the assessment as much as you just have a douche manager. I, personally, am working on my next promotion. actively. and my people know it. I'm also working on two of my peoples as well(I have 18 I'm responsible for). I won't sacrifice my people for my own gain. one, that gets nothing but resentment from your people. two, I want these people to emulate my ethics and do the same to their subordinates when they are in my position.

TL;DR: not all millenials are like this, change corporate America from the inside.
 
2013-09-03 08:07:31 PM
Bony assed shirt and tie kids traded in the old school fat swine in a suit "harrumph, sirrah!" for the new hotness of "no, see, this is how it works because I said so" and got finger pointy.  Next slide, please.
 
2013-09-03 08:08:23 PM

jayphat: change corporate America from the inside.


So, petrol and a Bic?
 
2013-09-03 08:10:56 PM

zedster: FTA:The good news is that Gen Y members are perceived as tech savvy, and smart about ways to leverage social media

Social Media != tech savvy

The number of people my age I know who are inept when it comes to computers and tech is amazing. Oh! I might have to reboot my desktop after I've left a java filled website running for a week? What's that scarey looking black and white text screen?

The ability to upload a video to Facebook is nothing on the tech scale. Most people don't know the first thing about how their microwaves work let alone their computer. It like arguing that a good driver makes a good mechanic. I wonder how many can even create an Excel sheet with formulas?

I would like to see that revenue vs expenditures of social media vs print and TV ad campaigns. So your company created a meme, how many more bottle of Dos XX got sold?

//the term leverage needs to be binned from it's current usage
///going to leverage the cloud to increase synergy as a value proposition to achieve six sigma


FYI: that campaign is responsible for a 37% growth in sales over the first two years. if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.
 
2013-09-03 08:12:28 PM

bunner: jayphat: change corporate America from the inside.

So, petrol and a Bic?


I love you Brits. Honest to god I do.
 
2013-09-03 08:13:29 PM

jayphat: if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.


If you're a marketing team, you will also drive a steamroller over said kittens to sell crap even you don't like.  Marketing weenies.  They are to commerce what shyster lawyers are to litigation.
 
2013-09-03 08:22:45 PM
27. Fast tracked management at a fortune 500. I had enough money and power when I was first hired as a mid level software developer, nevermind where I'm at now.

Seriously. I'm looking at buying a second house so I have one to commute from during the week and a better one in the country (which I already own outright) for weekends. I can't spend my money as fast as they give it to me.

The only reason I tolerate promotion is because I think I can help this place be less awful, more profitable and so I can advocate for my worthy contemporaries and former colleagues.
 
2013-09-03 08:23:32 PM

Rev.K: I'm 34 and I'm not a manager.

Where did I go wrong?


I never wanted to be promoted past my level of competence.

...unfortunately that happened in my first position.
 
2013-09-03 08:24:14 PM

bunner: jayphat: if you're a marketing team, you are shiatting kittens to get that kind of return.

If you're a marketing team, you will also drive a steamroller over said kittens to sell crap even you don't like.  Marketing weenies.  They are to commerce what shyster lawyers are to litigation.

what a marketing team may look like that would steamroll said kittensstatic.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-09-03 08:38:39 PM
Worked on this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2479464/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
Steve in Accounting vs. the Shadow Dwellers. Kinda funny.
/will be at the SLC Comicon this Saturday
//directed by two actors that were in Trolls 2
 
2013-09-03 08:41:12 PM

Zeno-25: They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.


That quote is getting written in the bathroom at work tomorow.
 
2013-09-03 08:42:05 PM

Ishkur: zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking

No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wrong with ...


I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?
 
2013-09-03 08:44:42 PM

Russ1642: I cringe whenever someone uses the word synergy. I'm not cut out for management.


My front desk clerk and I used to drink (unfortunately nothing alcoholic) every time our last boss would use the word "utilize". She was early 30s, had a horrible sense of entitlement. Despised her

/37
//off my damn lawn
 
2013-09-03 08:45:58 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: That would be Gen X, we're lazy but apathetic.

Y is the one who feels self entitled despite their laziness



Whatever
 
2013-09-03 08:49:53 PM

Charlie Freak: I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?


I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).

/Neil Stephenson was a prophet: the gargoyles are coming.
 
2013-09-03 08:54:13 PM

QueenMamaBee: My front desk clerk and I used to drink (unfortunately nothing alcoholic) every time our last boss would use the word "utilize". She was early 30s, had a horrible sense of entitlement. Despised her


A lot of the women I have worked for would affect an air of mild annoyance with everything and everybody as they seemed to equate it with leadership and authority.  I wish it weren't true, but most of hem were "Excuse me, this is me, being in charge and stuff.  So, whatever".  That was their management "style", period.  I avoid female bosses and I only take female clients if they can mail the stuff to me, sign the check and then go sit by the mailbox without going all "Eww waahh!" on my ass.  That saddens me, actually, because more than a few of them were sort of pleasant at closing time.  The worst ones were the ones who weren't actually in charge of sh*t but thought being a whiny, annoyed complaint dispenser would make them LOOK like they were.  I can't even sit through that sh*t with a buzzword bingo card.
 
2013-09-03 08:55:10 PM

ZombieBear: imgod2u: Space Station Wagon: What tasks? Not any that pay. (Well there may be one social media seat at each company)
Become an excel superhero = get a job almost anywhere.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of positions that require spreadsheets or anything of the sort. Discounting manual labor and service jobs (the majority), even office work often involve no more than email, write-ups, dictation, copy/mail and keeping/organizing a schedule.

Actually, teaching a manager excelle here has made their jobs easier and require less paperwork from us. Excelle is an underrated management tool that needs to be used more often for tracking metrics and the like in meaningful ways. It is not so much needed for office jobs, but middle management anywhere can find uses for excelle.


Excelle, the professional women's networking site, or Excel the spreadsheet?
 
2013-09-03 08:57:38 PM

Ishkur: I'm guessing either 3D printing once a home consumer model reaches appropriate price and quality (watch a subsequent explosion in home improvement/interior decorating, if that hasn't already peaked, and a complete decimation in hardware/dollar stores and other knicknack places that sell stuff that can readily be 3D printed), or wearable tech (especially HUDs like Google Glass).


Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened. The mistake you nerds make is you assume that everyone has your patience, time and money to re-invent the wheel just because you feel like it.

Take a look at all the different materials used just for your dollar store knick knacks...
 
2013-09-03 08:59:58 PM

Charlie Freak: I often ponder what is the next big innovative tech epoch. Machinery, Industrialization, internal combustion, electronics, computers, Internet... To what end will Y and Z have a chance to be innovative. Or is this it for a while?


Sadly, we're sort of low on killer apps, but that's as it should be because endless growth is basically physically untenable in any frame.  The last ones, in order, were distributable alternating current, internal combustion, linear print and methodical agriculture.  Everything else is sort of riding their coat tails.  I think the next new jack ooh ah is going to be maintenance, rebuilding and repurposing.  Taking a tool kit and a paintbrush to all this sh*t we already built.  It doesn't create money out of a bag of hot air, though, so maybe not.
 
2013-09-03 09:04:48 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened.


Yeah, because look at all the designer brand name screws and washers and socket wrenches that people scramble to buy on a seasonal basis so they can stay ahead of what's hip and hot in the hardware scene.

You are a god damn retard and your false equivocations are tiring, boring, and FALSE.

Seriously: Grow the fark up.

/haven't you heard? Philips heads are soooo last year. Everyone builds with Robertson heads now.
 
2013-09-03 09:06:11 PM
We're all moved in.  We're at the cut point where we can pretend that there's endless resources to harvest and exploit until we've erased our economy and history or start preserving them.  There's no more endless promise just over the next hill that doesn't offer a view of a whole bunch of cars in the oncoming lane looking for the same thing you are.  And that's why Europe is still a cooler place to go on holiday than here.  There's 400 year old buildings with 3 year old paint on them.  Scorched earth, pocket the pelf and pack up the tents is no longer tenable.  Not even for the people who invented it.
 
2013-09-03 09:12:09 PM

006deluxe: RottNDude: And these "gen y" people are why I make good money on my own time, since they're too lazy to RTFM. I have nothing to complain about.

/tech savvy
//why yes you can pay me to plug that in for you.

People neglecting to RTFM crosses generational boundaries. It also goes well beyond the literal RFTM.

I'm 27. I'm a customer service/tech support rep at a company that makes audio equipment. The amount of calls and emails I get as a result of a person just being too lazy poke around on our website or throw a quick query into Google astounds me. The amount of information that is accessible in this day and age is incredible, yet people don't bother even dipping their toes into the pool for fear they might actually learn something. This holds true for people of all ages.

There is also a decided lack of critical thinking ability among the people I deal with. There have been countless times that I have dealt with "professionals", many of whom are employed by very large companies, who don't understand that the more variables you can remove from the equation the easier it will be to find the cause of the problem. Granted, sometimes you might not be able to pare things down as far as you'd like, but to not understand why it should be attempted is inexcusable. This is beyond basic and applicable outside of tech problems.

Along with this, I constantly get people who aren't even willing to attempt to troubleshoot a problem. I have customers that would rather spend hundreds of dollars in fees and downtime with equipment than take the piece, hook it up, and work with me to do a little troubleshooting to find out if the problem is legit.

My job is to help people and I'm fine with that. I think part of the reason why I'm good at this job is that I'm very good at maintaining an even keel outwardly even if internally I'm seething with rage. I guess I just don't get why people would rather rely on other people to fix their problems rather than putting in a little effort to fi ...


Thats one of the major issues I have as well the lack of critical thinking and it's not one generation it's people in everyone. I had one idiot call in a copy machine to the service because it was out of toner and they couldnt follow the simple instructions on the display to change it. The thing that pisses me off the most is my company will not let me be part of the hiring of people for my own damn staff. They send me the reject de jour and tell me that they are an "expert". Makes ya wanna go postal.
 
2013-09-03 09:12:27 PM

Charlie Freak: Ishkur: zedster: As much as I hate Apple I think it boils down to that we stopped teaching basics. It seems like most Baby Boomers who have a four year degree had to learn fortran punch cards at some point and later word perfect macros. We assume our generation will learn tech through osmosis and failed to teach important skills in the information age like oh, critical thinking

No, it's just the 90/10 rule applied to something whenever it reaches critical mass. The computer industry is following the automobile industry in the exact same pattern.

When both industries started out, the only people interested were students, hobbyists, intellectuals and geeks. They would take the engine/computer apart, study its innards, figure out how it worked, and maybe add new things to it or improved it in some way. At the time, both devices were considered toys or novelties -- not particularly useful.

In time, when the toys became tools, and the companies that made them became industries, a second generation took them up. This generation was also very tech/mechanically savvy, to the point where if the thing broke down, they were usually smart enough to know how to fix it.

But when the car/computer became so ubiquitous, and it reached critical mass, then you get the third generation buying them, and these people aren't interested in how they work at all. Thus, user-interface design schemas take over, as engineers figure out how to make the device as simple as possible for ignorant laymen to use.

Today, most people aren't interested in how their computer works just as they're not interested in how their car works. They will never look under the hood and they will never unscrew the lid from the box. They just want to know that when they push the pedal or button, the car/computer does what it's supposed to. And when it breaks, they take it to a specialist who can fix it. They don't want to know how or why it works -- they're just not interested in learning. And there's nothing wro ...




War.
War.
War.

/The History nut in me loves that they are called cohorts.
 
2013-09-03 09:22:20 PM

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah remember how clothes stores disappeared when sewing machines became affordable? Oh yeah. Never happened.

Yeah, because look at all the designer brand name screws and washers and socket wrenches that people scramble to buy on a seasonal basis so they can stay ahead of what's hip and hot in the hardware scene.

You are a god damn retard and your false equivocations are tiring, boring, and FALSE.

Seriously: Grow the fark up.

/haven't you heard? Philips heads are soooo last year. Everyone builds with Robertson heads now.


Yes yes yes. Of course. Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets. Yes yes. No one wears functional clothes either.

You dunce.
 
2013-09-03 09:24:21 PM

groppet: Thats one of the major issues I have as well the lack of critical thinking and it's not one generation it's people in everyone. I had one idiot call in a copy machine to the service because it was out of toner and they couldnt follow the simple instructions on the display to change it. The thing that pisses me off the most is my company will not let me be part of the hiring of people for my own damn staff. They send me the reject de jour and tell me that they are an "expert". Makes ya wanna go postal.


You have just delineated the precise idiocy of the imaginary line between "the people who do stuff with their hands" and "the people who are 'business' people".  You have also made the crux of this thread, the wellspring of incompetence and douchebaggery in the business world as being distributed along generational lines, moot and - pointed out the lack of interest that people have in the success of any department not reflecting upon their position as being inconsequential.  That's called undermining.  Thank you for that.  You just gave a 101  class on why corporate hooery is at best, farcical and at worst, a 30' tree blocking the road.
 
2013-09-03 09:26:37 PM

Lusiphur: RottNDude: Also, having a terminal window open and editing a prefs file or kext, or registry editor, or any of the command line tools usually elicits "YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THAT?!!"

In my experience (and yes, I also "understand all that"), it's cheaper to just buy a new computer than to deal with trying to fix anything more serious than a stuck website. Especially since everything is backed up to a remote server instantaneously anyway.


I hear you, my brand new Dell keeps showing some kind of weird 404 error whenever I go to "aklsdfhajhfkjbmsanf.com".  I took it to Geek Squad and they charged me $300 to run an Evil Spirit Scan but that didn't fix it.  Then they tried to scam me on upgrading to an Exorcism Scan for $100 more but I'm no dummy.  They were going to use tap water instead of real Holy Water.

/farking Apple
 
2013-09-03 09:28:46 PM
37, tripled my salary in 5 years and recently made director of dev so im getting a kick
 
2013-09-03 09:29:19 PM

FlashHarry: Elandriel: I wonder if they are worried about themselves because a shiatload of them are not making enough money to make ends meet and watching completely unequal compensation go to the owners and boards of said corporations

i think it's more a case of them being educated in schools that awarded medals for ninth place. they've been coddled since birth and expect to be coddled at work too.

/gen x.
//harumph!


Or it could be that they came up poor, enlisted in the military, got out and got a job making just enough to keep up with the Joneses in DC, worked 60-80 hour weeks, buried themselves under a mountain of debt, lost their family, and when push came to shove, when it was time for management to step up and act like they give a shiat, all they heard from the top was "unfark yourself or you won't just be divorced, you'll be divorced and fired. Dumbass."

All the while, the CEO manipulates the stock price to get tens of millions.

No, I'm not bitter. I'm not bitter at all.
 
2013-09-03 09:30:31 PM
Fat people don't get fat taking their fair portion at the buffet.

Why we vilify one type of glutton (fat people), but worship another (the extremely rich) is the real question.
 
2013-09-03 09:34:53 PM
On a positive note, the ranks of Gen Y whiners should be thinned by the impending draft.

/ just kidding
// or maybe not
/// buy the kevlar iPhone case just to be safe
 
2013-09-03 09:35:31 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools


FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.
 
2013-09-03 09:36:48 PM

Ishkur: Like the automobile and automobile


this should say "like the automobile and computers".
 
2013-09-03 09:37:31 PM
If they can get that entitlement thing under control, that will really be something to anticipate.

As Sparta said to Philip of Macedon...
 
2013-09-03 09:41:08 PM

Madbassist1: No. You lambasted the story as making untrue assumptions about gen Y managers. it doesnt do that at all, and your point was that it was doing that and didnt have any evidence to back it up. You come on like you're all that and turns out you're a farking moron. I think thats what the survey was highlighting.

As far as reading comprehension, I feel no need to repeat myself.


"Part of Gen Y's management problem may just be inexperience. The next older cohort, Gen X, ages 33 to 48, were perceived as the strongest managers by 70 percent of survey respondents, Twaronite said. "

See how they imply that these "perceived" problems are actually REAL problems? Are you going to apologize for being a pompous twit, or are you going to pretend that this means something different than "Gen Y has problems with managing". Reading comprehension much?

By the way, firing clients is something that professional services firms do pretty regularly. Maybe not in Dayton, but over here in civilization, it's a pretty common expression. Catch the next turnip truck into town and catch up on the last 50 years of linguistic development. Also, learn to read articles with a critical eye towards where they're leading the reader. It might help you not look like such an idiot when complaining about others' reading comprehension.

Ishkur: No, just boomers proper.

Most Boomers held off having kids until their 30s (ie: the 80s), and that's when the Millenial baby boom began.


That actually makes sense. Thanks for the tidbit of info.
 
2013-09-03 09:41:16 PM

Ishkur: Quantum Apostrophe: Everyone is just going to rush into buying a machine to make trinkets tools

FTFY.

It's really a simple formula: If the cost-benefit is less than what it would take to go out and get parts, the device will be purchased. Especially for guys who love to muck around in the garage. Like the automobile and automobile, there are going to be phases to the industry: First the enthusiasts for fun, then the tinkerers for work, and then everybody else for accessories. Will it replace manufacturing of all goods worldwide? fark no, and no one's saying it will -- and this is a common fallacy you keep dropping like so much idiotic derp. You assume everyone believes that 3D printing is going to swing for the fences. It's not trying to, and even if it is, it won't immediately anyway. It took 50 years for the internal combustion engine to phase out the horse and carriage. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

E-mail did not replace snail mail, but people rarely write handwritten letters anymore because email is faster and more convenient. Same thing with color printers -- they did not replace traditional photo labs, but when it comes to time and cost, printing a photo is sometimes preferable. I expect 3D printing to have this kind of impact for SOME things.

You farking cretin.


You could have thrown the PC build analogy THEN called him a cretin.
 
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