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(Washington Post)   What started out as a joke is becoming more likely; GOP Congresscritters might ask that, in exchange for authorizing Syrian actions, the President defund Obamacare   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 205
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2013-09-03 12:39:12 PM
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
 
2013-09-03 12:40:06 PM
That's a perfectly logical compromise.
 
2013-09-03 12:46:27 PM
The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.
 
2013-09-03 12:47:39 PM
Every now and then Obama comes out as a master troller, and this is another case.

Congress has to act but I doubt the GOP can do anything unified other than put Reagan on the $10,000 bill. Obama wants to act but he's got time and wants to get the evidence in, so he passed the buck to them. The GOP is going to go crazy between their bloodlust for dead brown people and their hatred of anything Obama wants to do.
 
2013-09-03 01:06:20 PM
Oh it'll be hilarious when they vote on this thing. The GOP mainstream is going to have to vote against defunding Obamacare or with Obama.
 
2013-09-03 01:13:55 PM
How about No.
 
2013-09-03 02:06:29 PM
"if you want to kill people you can't help sick people."

How mustache twirlingly evil.
 
2013-09-03 02:06:50 PM
proceed in thine act, etc.
 
2013-09-03 02:17:57 PM
They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.


This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.
 
2013-09-03 02:35:09 PM
I don't have a lot of faith in Obama, with regards to these stupid trolls in Congress. But he won't defund his own signature legislation.
 
2013-09-03 02:39:27 PM
God bless their poor, dear, sweet hearts, but they do try so very hard don't they...
 
2013-09-03 02:45:22 PM
I"m shocked they didn't cram in more food stamp cuts, school funding cuts and a joint tax credit to AT&T and Grindr for better coverage for the next RNC.
 
2013-09-03 02:47:50 PM
I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.
 
2013-09-03 02:51:41 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


Not if you unskew the numbers.
 
2013-09-03 02:53:39 PM
Even the current GOP circular firing squad isn't self-destructive enough to tie its war vote to a bullsh*t political stunt like shutting down the government to defund Obamacare.  It's possible that a few idiots will say it to make headlines and cover a no vote with hawkish constituents, but there's no way it gets any significant support.
 
2013-09-03 02:56:17 PM

nekom: They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.

This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.


The GOP's position is that anybody that wants health insurance can get it, as long as YOU pay for it. Not the government, not your company and not the 'job creators'. They don't care that it would not be affordable to many people. They just try to make the focus on the businesses, 'if your employer has to pay for your health insurance, then he will not be able to hire as many people.'

I think some of them see it as a 'needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few'. They would rather a company hire lots of low paid workers with no benefits rather than hire a lower number of employees and treat them like valued members of the company.
 
2013-09-03 02:57:58 PM
"Never let a crisis go to waste."
 
2013-09-03 02:59:40 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: That's a perfectly logical compromise.


This.
 
2013-09-03 03:00:45 PM
Abolish the House. A bicameral legislature is no longer necessary or useful.
 
2013-09-03 03:01:01 PM
GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.
 
2013-09-03 03:03:30 PM
If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.
 
2013-09-03 03:03:34 PM
please do it GOP, ask publicly & loudly.
 
2013-09-03 03:04:03 PM
We'll take fiscal issues up later with a vengeance, but now Syria anything else is our first priority.

Business as usual. Good thing we sent all those teabagger retards to Congress.

/I realize that's a theoretical quote. But I can totally see them saying that. So it's false, but accurate. Dig?
 
2013-09-03 03:04:03 PM

coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.


So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!
 
2013-09-03 03:04:51 PM

JesusJuice: Abolish the House. A bicameral legislature is no longer necessary or useful.


Um, if we're going to go bicameral, you need to eliminate the Senate, not the House. The Senate is the governing monstrosity.
 
2013-09-03 03:05:26 PM
The only principle that guides Republicans more often than faith is bad faith.
 
2013-09-03 03:05:32 PM
2011: We'll default on our credit because we won't raise the debt ceiling.

2013: We'll permit genocide if you don't allow people with preexisting conditions to outright die.

You can always bet on the GOP to outderp themselves.
 
2013-09-03 03:06:53 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.


No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.
 
2013-09-03 03:07:28 PM
It's win-win for the GOP, kill brown people and some Americans at the same time.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:06 PM
Im sure this idea seems perfectly reasonable to the GOP.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:27 PM

Aristocles: coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.

So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!


So that's what a mind boggle feels like
 
2013-09-03 03:08:32 PM
<Reads Article>

Meanwhile, Ornstein suggested another possibility, though it seems unlikely at best: what if some Republicans inject the debate over Obamacare and funding the government into the argument over Syria?

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.


So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then.  Fap away.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:38 PM
to be a Republican, you have to be a sneaky Bastard.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:40 PM
Wow, you spend a week drinking cough syrup for kicks and now you do not know if bombing certain brown people is good or bad.  Oh well back to the purple stuff.
 
2013-09-03 03:09:16 PM
"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.


www.wbez.org
 
2013-09-03 03:09:31 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


what about "life begins at erection"?  if you get a stiffy and jerk it into a sock, does that mean you are killing a potential child?
 
2013-09-03 03:09:54 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


No, life begins at inception.  If I want to have sex with ANY woman, once I have that thought of sex for the first time at let's say 13, why would any woman deny my seed and thus dash God's plan of being bountiful and multiplying?  Those prudes, all of them are pre-aborting our unborn children.  That's plain wrong.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:09 PM

Slives: I think some of them see it as a 'needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few'. They would rather a company hire lots of low paid workers with no benefits rather than hire a lower number of employees and treat them like valued members of the company.


I think they'd like the people to work as slaves or indentured servants and would be fine with worker pay being replaced by company script that's only redeemable at the company store.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:13 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


I'll have to try that at the bar this weekend.  I'll come back and let you know how many teeth I have left afterwards.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:35 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then


Yeah, that was my take, too, and then I remembered we had people like Cruz and Paul and King and Gohmert in Congress.  Somebody will stick their dick in these mashed potatoes.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:02 PM
Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:02 PM
That doesn't make the least bit of sense. This isn't a matter of compromise. After they're presented with the evidence, either they think we should bomb Syria, or they don't. If they would change their vote on completely irrelevant factors, they have no business being in congress.

/I'd like to think that such a move would only garner contempt, even from those who want Obamacare repealed... but who am I kidding...
 
2013-09-03 03:11:03 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


...Or taking into the account the unpopularity of a new war that won't win them any favors.
The defunding is silly, as the whole program is so farked up that it really needs to be rebuilt, But its a thing the right wants. The war is athing Obama wants.
So there's room for compromise.

/Not that there's a real need for it, if Obama makes his case on Syria.
/But don't expect congress will go along quietly even if they agree.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:15 PM

CPennypacker: Aristocles: coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.

So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!

So that's what a mind boggle feels like


Now I'm thinking that a combination of coeyagi's not knowing how to construct a sentence and his or her ignorance of the definition of "genocide" has led to some confusion.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:25 PM

nekom: They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.

This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.


This. It's a no-win proposition for the GOP. Which means it's pretty much inevitable.
 
2013-09-03 03:12:42 PM
In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...
 
2013-09-03 03:13:00 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: <Reads Article>

Meanwhile, Ornstein suggested another possibility, though it seems unlikely at best: what if some Republicans inject the debate over Obamacare and funding the government into the argument over Syria?

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.

So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then.  Fap away.


And to finish his quotes:  "That would have been unthinkable a few years ago," Ornstein concluded. "But now, nothing is unthinkable."

Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.

I guarantee - GUARANTEE YOU - someone in the House will at least mention the idea, even if it isn't formally brought to the floor.  They are too retarded not to.
 
2013-09-03 03:13:20 PM
"PEOPLE ARE BEING MASSACRED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GLOBE?!"

www.freewoodpost.com
"AWESOME!!!! THINK OF THE STUFF WE CAN GET!!!!!!"
 
2013-09-03 03:13:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


Potato / Arugula.
 
2013-09-03 03:14:34 PM

coeyagi: I guarantee - GUARANTEE YOU - someone in the House will at least mention the idea, even if it isn't formally brought to the floor.  They are too retarded not to.


The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?
 
2013-09-03 03:16:38 PM

DamnYankees: coeyagi: I guarantee - GUARANTEE YOU - someone in the House will at least mention the idea, even if it isn't formally brought to the floor.  They are too retarded not to.

The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?


Propose.... Sequestration 2: Electric Boogaloo?
 
2013-09-03 03:16:42 PM

DamnYankees: The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?


PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE VOTE, LOL

:0
 
2013-09-03 03:16:59 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


Ooh, I like that one.
 
2013-09-03 03:17:35 PM
Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.
 
2013-09-03 03:17:43 PM
idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them
 
2013-09-03 03:17:59 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


Except the people who will "pay" are the poor people- like you - who don't have jobs - like you.
 
2013-09-03 03:18:07 PM

Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.


I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
 
2013-09-03 03:18:30 PM
Well, that might be the only thing they could demand that Obama wouldn't agree to for the opportunity to waste money and lives in Syria to no good end.

Maybe.
 
2013-09-03 03:18:30 PM
This is what the GOP has been waiting for with all of these votes to defund ACA. In their minds if they kept this going long enough it would get to the point when Obama was going to desperately need them approve something and they could hold ACA hostage for that approval. They think that they have this now. I can see them rubbing their hands together, smirking and giggling to each other "We got him now!". Unfortunately for them he could pull out the War Powers Act and tell them to go sit and spin.
 
2013-09-03 03:19:09 PM

DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.


It means Republicans believe ovens work not through electricity or gas, but through Jeebus's magic!!!
 
2013-09-03 03:19:28 PM

Jackson Herring: idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them


Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."
 
2013-09-03 03:19:38 PM

DamnYankees: So what will they do?


Govern? Oh wait, spoiled petulant children who are barely potty-trained aren't really good at that.
 
2013-09-03 03:20:15 PM

DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.


It means "say goodbye to your precious Obamacare!"
 
2013-09-03 03:20:39 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


2/10 trying too hard
 
2013-09-03 03:21:07 PM
Can't the president unilaterally authorize military actions lasting up to 30 days without congressional approval so long as they start on a day that congress isn't in session or something like that?

I doubt we'd need more than 30 days to eliminate basically all the practical military power of a nation whose air force and air defenses are essentially nonexistent.

I mean... we  shouldn't go after Assad's military infrastructure without the support of NATO, the UN, or at least some sort of international coalition.  But Obama  could, and the GOP are idiots once again on this one.
 
2013-09-03 03:21:16 PM

Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.


you mean to imply that the stove was previously stolen?
 
2013-09-03 03:22:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: DamnYankees: The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?

PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE VOTE, LOL

:0


HB 482

-Bomb Camelf*ckers
-Defund Obamacare
-Raise Debt Ceiling
-Provide subsidies to Exxon-Mobil
-Build bridge from Tillman's Corners to Gaillard Island in Mobile Bay because Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley holds sway with the gun lobby and they can fund all the new House GOP primary candidates of the Tea Party because they are TOTALLY about smaller government and not about expanding gun rights, Jesus, stopping abortion, legislating your cock, etc.
 
2013-09-03 03:22:32 PM

DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.


He gets over-excited sometimes.
 
2013-09-03 03:22:36 PM

DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.


You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.
 
2013-09-03 03:22:37 PM

Jim_Callahan: Can't the president unilaterally authorize military actions lasting up to 30 days without congressional approval so long as they start on a day that congress isn't in session or something like that?

I doubt we'd need more than 30 days to eliminate basically all the practical military power of a nation whose air force and air defenses are essentially nonexistent.

I mean... we  shouldn't go after Assad's military infrastructure without the support of NATO, the UN, or at least some sort of international coalition.  But Obama  could, and the GOP are idiots once again on this one.


He knows he can, he's just neutering his opposition.
 
2013-09-03 03:22:38 PM

ongbok: This is what the GOP has been waiting for with all of these votes to defund ACA. In their minds if they kept this going long enough it would get to the point when Obama was going to desperately need them approve something and they could hold ACA hostage for that approval. They think that they have this now. I can see them rubbing their hands together, smirking and giggling to each other "We got him now!". Unfortunately for them he could pull out the War Powers Act and tell them to go sit and spin.


He won't, he'll just lay the blood of the dead civilians on their heads.
 
2013-09-03 03:22:45 PM
This will give Obama cover to ignore Congress on this.  Farking dumbass Republicans.
 
2013-09-03 03:23:05 PM

EvilEgg: I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.

Not if you unskew the numbers.


Everybody I know hates 0bama and the democrat party, therefore everybody in America hates 0bama and the democrat party.
 
2013-09-03 03:23:10 PM

LasersHurt: Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."


My palm can not contain all of the laughter trying to come out of my face.
 
2013-09-03 03:25:18 PM
Meh.  Obama's wet dream: the GOP voting on record to hold NATIONAL SECURITY! hostage for partisan domestic purposes.  Letting evil Muslim Syria (and RUSS(R)IA!) triumph over 'MURICA!

Maybe the only thing that could guarantee Democrats taking the House and keeping the Senate in the upcoming midterms.  Older Republicans would sit out the election just to purge the Teabagguettes pushing it.

Bottom line: aint gonna happen.
 
2013-09-03 03:26:08 PM

Neighborhood Watch: precious little king


*chug*
 
2013-09-03 03:29:37 PM
idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them

Oh, you!
 
2013-09-03 03:30:17 PM

LasersHurt: Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-03 03:30:50 PM

Jim_Callahan: Can't the president unilaterally authorize military actions lasting up to 30 days without congressional approval so long as they start on a day that congress isn't in session or something like that?


When was the last time that congress was not in session?
 
2013-09-03 03:31:31 PM

Jackson Herring: LasersHurt: Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."

[31.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]


That is precisely and exactly what I've been thinking about since I posted. Thank you.
 
2013-09-03 03:32:06 PM

Aristocles: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

It means "say goodbye to your precious Obamacare!"


Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with your personal insurance when Obamacare begins?
 
2013-09-03 03:33:46 PM
assets.diylol.com
 
2013-09-03 03:34:14 PM
coeyagi:  Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.


Bill Maher         @billmaher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it


Leave Bill keep his material, it's all he has.
 
2013-09-03 03:34:25 PM

Aristocles: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

It means "say goodbye to your precious Obamacare!"

 
2013-09-03 03:35:28 PM
Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."
 
2013-09-03 03:35:41 PM
There are only nine legislative days from when Congress returns until funding of the government runs out on September 30th

pathetic.  but probably we are better off the less they actually meet.
 
2013-09-03 03:35:53 PM
I gotta be honest and say I don't understand the big deal people are making over the fact that Obama went to Congress for this, like its a huge new thing no one has ever done before. Both of Bush's wars were authorized by Congress. Libya wasn't, now this will/will not be. Why are people acting like this is setting a wonderful new precedent? Isn't it, in fact, Bush who set that precedent?
 
2013-09-03 03:35:59 PM

qorkfiend: Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?


There's a difference between declaring war and authorizing the use of force, although the line is much more blurred since the end of WWII.

No, the President does not have to sign a formal declaration of war. The power to declare war is solely vested in Congress.

However, Congress is not contemplating a declaration of war, formal or otherwise. While many (myself included) think it should be necessary to declare war to use force against other countries except in exigent circumstances, the US has not followed that line of reasoning for a very long time.
 
2013-09-03 03:36:25 PM

Saiga410: Jim_Callahan: Can't the president unilaterally authorize military actions lasting up to 30 days without congressional approval so long as they start on a day that congress isn't in session or something like that?

When was the last time that congress was not in session?


The War Powers Act isn't contingent on Congress being in session.  The President can unilaterally authorize military action without Congressional approval provided that he provides a report within 48 hours.
 
2013-09-03 03:37:24 PM
Wow. That's some fine hostage taking, GOP!
 
2013-09-03 03:38:02 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Slives: I think some of them see it as a 'needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few'. They would rather a company hire lots of low paid workers with no benefits rather than hire a lower number of employees and treat them like valued members of the company.

I think they'd like the people to work as slaves or indentured servants and would be fine with worker pay being replaced by company script that's only redeemable at the company store.


Wow, I'm not the only one that has been thinking along those lines.  Although I expect them to start doing something like that with our troops first, then branch out to the rest of the nation.
 
2013-09-03 03:38:08 PM

DeaH: Wow. That's some fine hostage taking, GOP!


It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
 
2013-09-03 03:38:26 PM
Love it. Republicans show they are actively trying to kill people by getting us into a war and not providing healthcare. There really wasn't anyone over there smart enough to pull out Admiral Akbar meme before they had this brilliant idea??? This is as good as Rmoney's 47% quote.

/that fat lady may not be singing, but she's sure getting warm
 
2013-09-03 03:38:53 PM

Isitoveryet: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

you mean to imply that the stove was previously stolen?


Of course. That's why the gloves are needed. So no fingerprints are left behind.
 
2013-09-03 03:39:39 PM
I just scanned TFA, but it looks like no one in congress actually suggested that this was something that was being considered. I think this is just an academic exercise on the part of the author since, if I'm not mistaken, Obama doesn't need congressional approval to launch an attack on Syria. If they tried to pull this, he could just say "nope" and send the missiles anyway.
 
2013-09-03 03:39:52 PM

AurizenDarkstar: Wow, I'm not the only one that has been thinking along those lines.  Although I expect them to start doing something like that with our troops first, then branch out to the rest of the nation.


Wal-Mart had been doing this in some of their foreign subsidiaries. Google "walmart mexico scrip".
 
2013-09-03 03:40:08 PM
I think the GOP overestimates how bad Obama wants to bomb Syria.

// pretty sure he wants Obamacare more, if the rubber ever meets the potatoes on that
 
2013-09-03 03:40:17 PM

I_C_Weener: "Never let a crisis go to waste."


Follow the Constitution, no crisis.
 
2013-09-03 03:40:54 PM

Dr Dreidel: I think the GOP overestimates how bad Obama wants to bomb Syria.

// pretty sure he wants Obamacare more, if the rubber ever meets the potatoes on that


I don't think anyone has a good handle on how much Obama really wants to do this.
 
2013-09-03 03:41:21 PM

DamnYankees: AurizenDarkstar: Wow, I'm not the only one that has been thinking along those lines.  Although I expect them to start doing something like that with our troops first, then branch out to the rest of the nation.

Wal-Mart had been doing this in some of their foreign subsidiaries. Google "walmart mexico scrip".


Jesus fark Wal-Mart is evil.

And I have absolutely no doubt they would pay employees in Wal-Mart gift cards if they legally could.
 
2013-09-03 03:41:50 PM

theknuckler_33: I just scanned TFA, but it looks like no one in congress actually suggested that this was something that was being considered. I think this is just an academic exercise on the part of the author since, if I'm not mistaken, Obama doesn't need congressional approval to launch an attack on Syria. If they tried to pull this, he could just say "nope" and send the missiles anyway.


Which, I should mention, would be a political propaganda victory for Obama. Even if you are against intervention in Syria (which I am), he could rightly point out that the GOP were in favor of the strikes or they would not have put them on the table *OR* they were willing to vote in favor of military attacks they were against just to score a political victory at home. I don't think either of those narratives will play too well.
 
2013-09-03 03:42:42 PM

Bloody William: And I have absolutely no doubt they would pay employees in Wal-Mart gift cards if they legally could.


I'm not aware of a reason they legally can't. I tried googling but can't find anything on point.
 
2013-09-03 03:43:08 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: coeyagi:  Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.


Bill Maher         ✔ @billmaher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it


Leave Bill keep his material, it's all he has.


Who are your idols, Victoria Jackson and Dennis Miller?

Conservative Humor, please report to thread 7917213, and explain your mass narrow appeal to all.
 
2013-09-03 03:43:14 PM

DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.


He's saying that Republicans are skilled and experienced thieves.
 
2013-09-03 03:44:50 PM

Girl From The North Country: Isitoveryet: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

you mean to imply that the stove was previously stolen?

Of course. That's why the gloves are needed. So no fingerprints are left behind.


what if there's a cooked chicken in the stove? you know the (R) would leave genetic evidence.
 
2013-09-03 03:45:42 PM

AurizenDarkstar: Wow, I'm not the only one that has been thinking along those lines. Although I expect them to start doing something like that with our troops first, then branch out to the rest of the nation.


I see Wal-Mart trying that first.
 
2013-09-03 03:46:26 PM

Satanic_Hamster: AurizenDarkstar: Wow, I'm not the only one that has been thinking along those lines. Although I expect them to start doing something like that with our troops first, then branch out to the rest of the nation.

I see Wal-Mart trying that first.


As I pointed out above, they already tried it in their Mexico subsidiary.
 
2013-09-03 03:47:50 PM
What I'd like to see the president do is say "We'll defund Obamacare if you agree to fully fund Obamacare." Then watch their little pointy heads explode.

As for Syria, Obama asked for Congressional approval, didn't he? That means he won't get it. The Democrats will be able to run ads of bloody Syrian children dying in their parents' arms with the motto "The Democrats wanted to save this child's life but your representative voted for her to die."
 
2013-09-03 03:48:49 PM

enry: Every now and then Obama comes out as a master troller, and this is another case.

Congress has to act but I doubt the GOP can do anything unified other than put Reagan on the $10,000 bill. Obama wants to act but he's got time and wants to get the evidence in, so he passed the buck to them. The GOP is going to go crazy between their bloodlust for dead brown people and their hatred of anything Obama wants to do.


That is a very cynical view of the president.
 
2013-09-03 03:48:55 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Zeb Hesselgresser: So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then

Yeah, that was my take, too, and then I remembered we had people like Cruz and Paul and King and Gohmert in Congress.  Somebody will stick their dick in these mashed potatoes.


www.robynsonlineworld.com

As a Teapublican, I am fond of this brand. Before I discovered it, I'd spend hours peeling potatoes and mixing the butter, milk, salt, and other sprinkles before finally having a proper place to lodge my penis. Not only is it heat 'n serve, but comes complete with a handy bowl so I don't have to dirty my own kitchenware. I've loved a lot of chickens in my time, but nothing beats the warming embrace of sticking your dick in these Country Crock mashed potatoes.

Caveat: The directions tell you to let the potatoes sit for two minutes after microwaving. Heed this advice.
 
2013-09-03 03:48:55 PM

Saiga410: Jim_Callahan: Can't the president unilaterally authorize military actions lasting up to 30 days without congressional approval so long as they start on a day that congress isn't in session or something like that?

When was the last time that congress was not in session?


About 80% of the year, roughly evenly distributed.
 
2013-09-03 03:49:57 PM

DamnYankees: Bloody William: And I have absolutely no doubt they would pay employees in Wal-Mart gift cards if they legally could.

I'm not aware of a reason they legally can't. I tried googling but can't find anything on point.


Apparently at Walmart in Mexico they were doing just that until their courts put a stop to it in 2008 (according to all knowing Wiki). Based on the entry it looks like it's illegal in a state-by-state basis in the US - but doesn't mention any federal laws or acts against it (or if it's in fact illegal in all 50 states, or just Wisconsin (and others?) per the entry).
 
2013-09-03 03:50:31 PM
GOP is not content with just killing people for no reason in Syria they want to kill Americans too.
 
2013-09-03 03:51:18 PM

dickfreckle: Soup4Bonnie: Zeb Hesselgresser: So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then

Yeah, that was my take, too, and then I remembered we had people like Cruz and Paul and King and Gohmert in Congress.  Somebody will stick their dick in these mashed potatoes.

[www.robynsonlineworld.com image 768x768]

As a Teapublican, I am fond of this brand. Before I discovered it, I'd spend hours peeling potatoes and mixing the butter, milk, salt, and other sprinkles before finally having a proper place to lodge my penis. Not only is it heat 'n serve, but comes complete with a handy bowl so I don't have to dirty my own kitchenware. I've loved a lot of chickens in my time, but nothing beats the warming embrace of sticking your dick in these Country Crock mashed potatoes.

Caveat: The directions tell you to let the potatoes sit for two minutes after microwaving. Heed this advice.


+1.  Giggling like a girl here.
 
2013-09-03 03:52:05 PM
Has the GOP ever not fallen in a trap set by Obama?
 
2013-09-03 03:52:25 PM

clambam: What I'd like to see the president do is say "We'll defund Obamacare if you agree to fully fund Obamacare." Then watch their little pointy heads explode.



cdn3.sbnation.com
 
2013-09-03 03:53:05 PM
Next up on "Did those motherf*ckin' Teabagging Sacks of Sh*t Just Say What I Think They Said..."

Ted Cruz: "Why should we get involved in stopping death panels over there when we have to stop death panels here first."

But first, a word from our sponsor...
 
2013-09-03 03:53:11 PM

Cyclometh: qorkfiend: Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

There's a difference between declaring war and authorizing the use of force, although the line is much more blurred since the end of WWII.

No, the President does not have to sign a formal declaration of war. The power to declare war is solely vested in Congress.

However, Congress is not contemplating a declaration of war, formal or otherwise. While many (myself included) think it should be necessary to declare war to use force against other countries except in exigent circumstances, the US has not followed that line of reasoning for a very long time.


The President, by kicking it over to Congress, is clearly expecting some sort of affirmative or negative response as a result, which would inevitably take the form of a Congressional resolution. My point is that poison pills won't work because the pills would require the force of law (i.e. the President's signature) whereas the use of force authorization doesn't.
 
2013-09-03 03:53:20 PM

nekom: They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.

This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.


I've heard them dance around that, but it's usually just a couple of sentences and then they change the subject very, very quickly. Their talking point doesn't go very far; it usually starts with straight up denial: "Of COURSE we want better health care coverage for all" followed by choose-your-lie, and then "Next question."
 
2013-09-03 03:53:27 PM

LasersHurt: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.


If you drink lemonade on the porch you won't spill milk on the carpet.
 
2013-09-03 03:54:34 PM

DamnYankees: Dr Dreidel: I think the GOP overestimates how bad Obama wants to bomb Syria.

// pretty sure he wants Obamacare more, if the rubber ever meets the potatoes on that

I don't think anyone has a good handle on how much Obama really wants to do this.


I just mean that I think if it came down to it, Obama would pick PPACA over a Congressional vote in favor of striking Syria. He's already won PPACA, and the public's lukewarm at best on Syria.

The best the GOP gets out of turning down the Syria request is making Obama look bad ("He said 'red line', but he couldn't do shiat 'cuz we wouldn't let him! Haw haw!").

// haw
 
2013-09-03 03:55:52 PM

LasersHurt: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.


blogs-images.forbes.com

You can take a goat to the prom but someone's still going to have to give Grandma a bath when you get home.
 
2013-09-03 03:56:04 PM

JesusJuice: Abolish the House. A bicameral legislature is no longer necessary or useful.


whoa
whoa
whoa there Palpatine

Ya gotta start with baby steps. You've done well showing that the outlying systems (the deep south) are a threat.  Now you need to create a grand army of the republic to work inside the country (expand the NSA maybe).  Then we need James Earl Jones on our side. Perhaps a token british guy or two (Pierce Morgan and ...).  The DDG 1000 already looks like a star destroyer, so that is covered.
 
2013-09-03 03:56:16 PM

quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."


Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.
 
2013-09-03 03:57:17 PM

coeyagi: unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.

No, life begins at inception.  If I want to have sex with ANY woman, once I have that thought of sex for the first time at let's say 13, why would any woman deny my seed and thus dash God's plan of being bountiful and multiplying?  Those prudes, all of them are pre-aborting our unborn children.  That's plain wrong.


I was once accused of killing my unborn children by being gay. And their unborn children.

To you heterosexuals: Hear that? Every time you don't have sex, it's murder. Get to work!
 
2013-09-03 03:57:31 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: coeyagi:  Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.


Bill Maher         ✔ @billmaher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it


Leave Bill keep his material, it's all he has.


Blackenstein?  He's a black Jewish man?  What happened to his Muslin roots?
 
2013-09-03 03:58:18 PM

Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.


Really?  Awww, that's cute.  I guess Cletus knows something we don't, that this whole "Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing is a lie just like it was back in the 00s.

Are you a Wizard / Snowden?
 
2013-09-03 03:59:10 PM

coeyagi: Conservative Humor, please report to thread 7917213, and explain your mass narrow appeal to all.


media.rofls.com
 
2013-09-03 03:59:24 PM

Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.


W was a horrible actor.
 
2013-09-03 04:00:48 PM

I_C_Weener: Zeb Hesselgresser: coeyagi:  Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.


Bill Maher         ✔ @billmaher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it


Leave Bill keep his material, it's all he has.

Blackenstein?  He's a black Jewish man?  What happened to his Muslin roots?


dailyhurricane.com

I guess we know what the other half is.

Damn, half-Jew, half-Muslim and eats dog as a child not to mention ribs at his hip-hop BBQ?

Obama is the greatest huckster the world has ever known, peddling lies, LIES I TELL YOU!
 
2013-09-03 04:00:55 PM
Guys, we're screwed - we're definitely getting involved in a massive Syrian war now:


Dick Morris  @DickMorrisTweetSign The Petition To Stay Out Of Syria! http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/11352/sign-petition-to-stay-out-sy ria/...
 
2013-09-03 04:00:58 PM

LasersHurt: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.


...So much for my plans for the weekend...
 
2013-09-03 04:01:04 PM
Here's how this will almost certainly play out in Congress.

The Senate will pass, over a filibuster, a basic resolution approving some form of intervention in Syria.

The Teapublicans (thanks dickfreckle) in the House will approve an amendment to the Senate resolution that fully repeals ObamaCare. They will then vote against the combined resolution because it doesn't also repeal Dodd-Frank and cut food stamps by $100 billion over the next five years. The hawkish Democrats will unanimously vote against this combined resolution as well since they don't want ObamaCare to go away. The authorization to intervene in Syria will fail catastrophically.

The day after this resolution fails, the entire Northeastern corridor will be hit with sarin gas, leading to tens of thousands of deaths and millions of injuries. Obama will then unilaterally declare war on the Middle East and nuke the region into oblivion.

Punch and pie will be served at the after-party.
 
2013-09-03 04:02:18 PM

DamnYankees: Guys, we're screwed - we're definitely getting involved in a massive Syrian war now:


Dick Morris  @DickMorrisTweetSign The Petition To Stay Out Of Syria! http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/11352/sign-petition-to-stay-out-sy ria/...


Aw shiat. Looks like another decade with boots on the ground in the Middle East.
 
2013-09-03 04:02:30 PM

coeyagi: I_C_Weener: Zeb Hesselgresser: coeyagi:  Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.


Bill Maher         ✔ @billmaher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it


Leave Bill keep his material, it's all he has.

Blackenstein?  He's a black Jewish man?  What happened to his Muslin roots?

[dailyhurricane.com image 494x327]

I guess we know what the other half is.

Damn, half-Jew, half-Muslim and eats dog as a child not to mention ribs at his hip-hop BBQ?

Obama is the greatest huckster the world has ever known, peddling lies, LIES I TELL YOU!


I just love that even in serious conversation I default to muslin instead of muslim now...for any conversation on muslims.  Fark...you are in my brain!!!
 
2013-09-03 04:02:54 PM

DamnYankees: Guys, we're screwed - we're definitely getting involved in a massive Syrian war now:


Dick Morris  @DickMorrisTweetSign The Petition To Stay Out Of Syria! http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/11352/sign-petition-to-stay-out-sy ria/...


Just think of all the female toes that will be lost via an American strike...
 
2013-09-03 04:03:25 PM

coeyagi: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

Really?  Awww, that's cute.  I guess Cletus knows something we don't, that this whole "Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing is a lie just like it was back in the 00s.

Are you a Wizard / Snowden?


I can tell this Syria thing is bothering you a great deal. Those war drums, they're getting to you.
 
2013-09-03 04:05:09 PM

Serious Black: Here's how this will almost certainly play out in Congress.

The Senate will pass, over a filibuster, a basic resolution approving some form of intervention in Syria.

The Teapublicans (thanks dickfreckle) in the House will approve an amendment to the Senate resolution that fully repeals ObamaCare. They will then vote against the combined resolution because it doesn't also repeal Dodd-Frank and cut food stamps by $100 billion over the next five years. The hawkish Democrats will unanimously vote against this combined resolution as well since they don't want ObamaCare to go away. The authorization to intervene in Syria will fail catastrophically.

The day after this resolution fails, the entire Northeastern corridor will be hit with sarin gas, leading to tens of thousands of deaths and millions of injuries. Obama will then unilaterally declare war on the Middle East and nuke the region into oblivion.

Punch and pie will be served at the after-party.


Holy fark man, get a grip on yourself.
 
2013-09-03 04:05:10 PM

coeyagi: Just think of all the female toes that will be lost via an American strike...


You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

/rare in-context usage of that quote
 
2013-09-03 04:05:52 PM

peasandcarrots: coeyagi: unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.

No, life begins at inception.  If I want to have sex with ANY woman, once I have that thought of sex for the first time at let's say 13, why would any woman deny my seed and thus dash God's plan of being bountiful and multiplying?  Those prudes, all of them are pre-aborting our unborn children.  That's plain wrong.

I was once accused of killing my unborn children by being gay. And their unborn children.

To you heterosexuals: Hear that? Every time you don't have sex, it's murder. Get to work!


They wanted a gay person to have kids? Sounds almost like acceptance.
 
2013-09-03 04:15:16 PM

Serious Black: Here's how this will almost certainly play out in Congress.

The Senate will pass, over a filibuster, a basic resolution approving some form of intervention in Syria.

The Teapublicans (thanks dickfreckle) in the House will approve an amendment to the Senate resolution that fully repeals ObamaCare. They will then vote against the combined resolution because it doesn't also repeal Dodd-Frank and cut food stamps by $100 billion over the next five years. The hawkish Democrats will unanimously vote against this combined resolution as well since they don't want ObamaCare to go away. The authorization to intervene in Syria will fail catastrophically.

The day after this resolution fails, the entire Northeastern corridor will be hit with sarin gas, leading to tens of thousands of deaths and millions of injuries. Obama will then unilaterally declare war on the Middle East and nuke the region into oblivion.

Punch and pie will be served at the after-party.


Just for clarity sake... I'm in SE Pa. about 45 minutes northwest of Philly... does that count as "northeastern corridor" because I got a sister out in LA I could visit for a week or two.
 
2013-09-03 04:15:23 PM

LasersHurt: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.


I'm not sure why I read that as Darrell Hammond doing his impression of Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-09-03 04:15:23 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


In general, or in their gerrymandered districts?
 
2013-09-03 04:16:02 PM
And all they had to do was vote on it incessantly, and send some CIA buddies into a hornet's nest to whip up some chemical attacks to get the bleeding hearted Obunny to deal.
 
2013-09-03 04:18:49 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


They are quite popular in the House districts they currently control.

Now, this is a bad idea if they want the Senate back, though.
 
2013-09-03 04:21:23 PM
If only the President was in charge of budget and funding of programs...
 
2013-09-03 04:23:49 PM

theknuckler_33: Serious Black: Here's how this will almost certainly play out in Congress.

The Senate will pass, over a filibuster, a basic resolution approving some form of intervention in Syria.

The Teapublicans (thanks dickfreckle) in the House will approve an amendment to the Senate resolution that fully repeals ObamaCare. They will then vote against the combined resolution because it doesn't also repeal Dodd-Frank and cut food stamps by $100 billion over the next five years. The hawkish Democrats will unanimously vote against this combined resolution as well since they don't want ObamaCare to go away. The authorization to intervene in Syria will fail catastrophically.

The day after this resolution fails, the entire Northeastern corridor will be hit with sarin gas, leading to tens of thousands of deaths and millions of injuries. Obama will then unilaterally declare war on the Middle East and nuke the region into oblivion.

Punch and pie will be served at the after-party.

Just for clarity sake... I'm in SE Pa. about 45 minutes northwest of Philly... does that count as "northeastern corridor" because I got a sister out in LA I could visit for a week or two.


Make your vacation plans soon, buddy.

clambam: Holy fark man, get a grip on yourself.


I can't help the visions in my head, man. Maybe I need to go on some haldol.
 
2013-09-03 04:24:31 PM
Anyone want to wager TF on which Republican will introduce the bill?
 
2013-09-03 04:24:31 PM

LasersHurt: Jackson Herring: idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them

Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."


To be fair, they probably thought they were talking to Sarah Jessica Parker.
 
2013-09-03 04:26:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


/takes out his derp translator

What Neighborhood Watch meant: "No oil?  Fark that country."

/puts back the derp translator
 
2013-09-03 04:30:42 PM
"It is his escape hatch," Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein told me

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said. "But is it beyond imagining that in some of these negotiations, someone says, `We really want to go with you on the war issue, but our constituents are against it, You want your resolution on Syria? How about [delaying or defunding] Obamacare?'"

"That would have been unthinkable a few years ago," Ornstein concluded. "But now, nothing is unthinkable."
In truth, that does seem highly unlikely, but I suppose you never know.


Sounds like a lock.  If some random congressional scholar says so, it MUST be true.


/not that I'd anything past the party of NO
/or the GOP or DEMS either
 
2013-09-03 04:32:52 PM
Or I don't know, close loop holes shady businesses try to take instead?
 
2013-09-03 04:33:48 PM

Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.


You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?
 
2013-09-03 04:33:52 PM

coeyagi: Satanic_Hamster: DamnYankees: The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?

PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE VOTE, LOL

:0

HB 482

-Bomb Camelf*ckers
-Defund Obamacare
-Raise Debt Ceiling
-Provide subsidies to Exxon-Mobil
-Build bridge from Tillman's Corners to Gaillard Island in Mobile Bay because Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley holds sway with the gun lobby and they can fund all the new House GOP primary candidates of the Tea Party because they are TOTALLY about smaller government and not about expanding gun rights, Jesus, stopping abortion, legislating your cock, etc.


Jesus Christ. Why can't people ever get this right.

It's "ExxonMobil"

Not Exxon-Mobil, not Exxonmobile, not Exxon Mobil, it's ExxonMobil. One farking word.

They will want it spelled right so they can cash the subsidy check.
 
2013-09-03 04:34:41 PM

ManateeGag: what about "life begins at erection"? if you get a stiffy and jerk it into a sock, does that mean you are killing a potential child?


Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.
 
2013-09-03 04:35:37 PM

Bontesla: Anyone want to wager TF on which Republican will introduce the bill?


House: Louis Gohmert.
Senate: John Cornyn.
 
2013-09-03 04:37:53 PM
This is so Aliens Vs. Predators. No matter who wins, the Republicans are going to lose.
 
2013-09-03 04:44:11 PM

qorkfiend: Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.


The answer to your two questions are yes and no.  A formal declaration of war does not require the President's approval.  Anything other than that does, and we will not be formally declaring war on Syria.
 
2013-09-03 04:49:19 PM

LasersHurt: Jackson Herring: idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them

Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."


There's a photoshop in there somewhere...
 
2013-09-03 04:49:47 PM

Cletus C.: enry: Every now and then Obama comes out as a master troller, and this is another case.

Congress has to act but I doubt the GOP can do anything unified other than put Reagan on the $10,000 bill. Obama wants to act but he's got time and wants to get the evidence in, so he passed the buck to them. The GOP is going to go crazy between their bloodlust for dead brown people and their hatred of anything Obama wants to do.

That is a very cynical view of the president.


How so?
 
2013-09-03 04:53:55 PM

Serious Black: Bontesla: Anyone want to wager TF on which Republican will introduce the bill?

House: Louis Gohmert.
Senate: John Cornyn.


Ohhhhh. Gohmert is a great pick!! I was thinking Cruz of Texas.

I have no money to wager (my mother temporarily is living with me after losing everything when she became disabled).
 
2013-09-03 04:54:40 PM

Geotpf: qorkfiend: Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.

The answer to your two questions are yes and no.  A formal declaration of war does not require the President's approval.  Anything other than that does, and we will not be formally declaring war on Syria.


Why would the various AUMFs be any different? What's the difference between a Congressionally-approved authorization for the use of force, and a Congressional declaration of war?
 
2013-09-03 04:55:22 PM

qorkfiend: What's the difference between a Congressionally-approved authorization for the use of force, and a Congressional declaration of war?


No one knows.

Seriously. No one knows.
 
2013-09-03 04:56:50 PM

qorkfiend: Geotpf: qorkfiend: Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.

The answer to your two questions are yes and no.  A formal declaration of war does not require the President's approval.  Anything other than that does, and we will not be formally declaring war on Syria.

Why would the various AUMFs be any different? What's the difference between a Congressionally-approved authorization for the use of force, and a Congressional declaration of war?


Quite a lot if you're on the receiving end of the declaration.
 
2013-09-03 04:59:51 PM

DirkValentine: LasersHurt: Jackson Herring: idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them

Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."

There's a photoshop in there somewhere...


I vote we take the lazy way out and just use Chicken Boo as Jackson suggested.
 
2013-09-03 05:01:23 PM

qorkfiend: Geotpf: qorkfiend: Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.

The answer to your two questions are yes and no.  A formal declaration of war does not require the President's approval.  Anything other than that does, and we will not be formally declaring war on Syria.

Why would the various AUMFs be any different? What's the difference between a Congressionally-approved authorization for the use of force, and a Congressional declaration of war?


The second is mentioned specifically in the constitution as not requiring the President to sign; the first is just a standard bill, which does require the President to sign to become law.
 
2013-09-03 05:01:47 PM

Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?


Because many people want no part of Syria. Just like many people wanted no part of Iraq. What has changed in this discussion? Certainly not the inevitability of how it will play out.
 
2013-09-03 05:03:28 PM

Bontesla: Serious Black: Bontesla: Anyone want to wager TF on which Republican will introduce the bill?

House: Louis Gohmert.
Senate: John Cornyn.

Ohhhhh. Gohmert is a great pick!! I was thinking Cruz of Texas.

I have no money to wager (my mother temporarily is living with me after losing everything when she became disabled).


No worries on the money.

The only reason I don't see Cruz supporting it more than incidentally is he's publicly stated his opposition to striking Syria, so he couldn't support both a strike on Syria and a repeal on ObamaCare. I think Cornyn is more neocon-ish and would see that as a way to kill two birds with one stone.
 
2013-09-03 05:10:25 PM

Geotpf: qorkfiend: Geotpf: qorkfiend: Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.

The answer to your two questions are yes and no.  A formal declaration of war does not require the President's approval.  Anything other than that does, and we will not be formally declaring war on Syria.

Why would the various AUMFs be any different? What's the difference between a Congressionally-approved authorization for the use of force, and a Congressional declaration of war?

The second is mentioned specifically in the constitution as not requiring the President to sign; the first is just a standard bill, which does require the President to sign to become law.


Yes, but why is there such a distinction between the two, as there is no operative difference?
 
2013-09-03 05:18:59 PM
They could at least tack on some funding for the perverted arts too.
 
2013-09-03 05:26:52 PM

Nadie_AZ: I don't have a lot of faith in Obama, with regards to these stupid trolls in Congress. But he won't defund his own signature legislation.


Not defunded but probably delayed.  Reps and Dems will use the ever-handy excuse that funds must be diverted to support the troops.  The Obamacare debate is pushed off far into the future and both parties save face.
 
2013-09-03 05:27:34 PM

Serious Black: DamnYankees: Guys, we're screwed - we're definitely getting involved in a massive Syrian war now:


Dick Morris  @DickMorrisTweetSign The Petition To Stay Out Of Syria! http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/11352/sign-petition-to-stay-out-sy ria/...

Aw shiat. Looks like another decade with boots on the ground in the Middle East.


and if not, you can thank dick morris and all us Patriots who signed his petition!
 
2013-09-03 05:27:59 PM

Serious Black: Bontesla: Serious Black: Bontesla: Anyone want to wager TF on which Republican will introduce the bill?

House: Louis Gohmert.
Senate: John Cornyn.

Ohhhhh. Gohmert is a great pick!! I was thinking Cruz of Texas.

I have no money to wager (my mother temporarily is living with me after losing everything when she became disabled).

No worries on the money.

The only reason I don't see Cruz supporting it more than incidentally is he's publicly stated his opposition to striking Syria, so he couldn't support both a strike on Syria and a repeal on ObamaCare. I think Cornyn is more neocon-ish and would see that as a way to kill two birds with one stone.


I see Cruz misreading the tea leaves and co-sponoring the bill. I think everyone realizes that it would be political theater in the most literal sense so sincerity isn't a requirement. However, he can appear tough on both Obamacare and foreign policy. I also see him taking that gamble thinking that it might help him out in a presidential primary.
 
2013-09-03 05:30:49 PM

SlothB77: There are only nine legislative days from when Congress returns until funding of the government runs out on September 30th

pathetic.  but probably we are better off the

Cletus C.: Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?

Because many people want no part of Syria. Just like many people wanted no part of Iraq. What has changed in this discussion? Certainly not the inevitability of how it will play out.

Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?


It came from a Democrat. A Blah one, too.
 
2013-09-03 05:30:54 PM

Aristocles: Serious Black: DamnYankees: Guys, we're screwed - we're definitely getting involved in a massive Syrian war now:


Dick Morris  @DickMorrisTweetSign The Petition To Stay Out Of Syria! http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/11352/sign-petition-to-stay-out-sy ria/...

Aw shiat. Looks like another decade with boots on the ground in the Middle East.

and if not, you can thank dick morris and all us Patriots who signed his petition!


That sound you just heard was the joke flying over your head.
 
2013-09-03 05:45:22 PM

Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?


Strictly speaking, it IS better than the implied alternative I suppose. Like a rapist who always wears a condom.
 
2013-09-03 05:53:05 PM
So, will Congress be asked to declare war on Syria, or allow a limited attack? Exactly what will Congress be voting on and will the "defunding" be added on later or be part of the original bill? Also, what's to stop someone from adding a bit in there about a draft?
 
2013-09-03 05:54:36 PM

Ned Stark: Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?

Strictly speaking, it IS better than the implied alternative I suppose. Like a rapist who always wears a condom.


More like a lotta lube, condom inhibits expulsion of seeds of democracy.
 
2013-09-03 06:00:19 PM

LasersHurt: DirkValentine: LasersHurt: Jackson Herring: idk how obvious our two newest gimmick alt accounts have to be to get people to stop responding to them

Honestly it's like watching people address a horse wearing a human wig and it takes them an hour of small talk to go "hey wait a minute..."

There's a photoshop in there somewhere...

I vote we take the lazy way out and just use Chicken Boo as Jackson suggested.


clampettstudio.com
GOOD.
 
2013-09-03 06:15:54 PM

imontheinternet: Even the current GOP circular firing squad isn't self-destructive enough to tie its war vote to a bullsh*t political stunt like shutting down the government to defund Obamacare.  It's possible that a few idiots will say it to make headlines and cover a no vote with hawkish constituents, but there's no way it gets any significant support.


THIS

This is what I'm thinking. It will make the rounds as an "idea" because a few reactionary sh*t-head Teabaggers brought it up. But it will end there.
 
2013-09-03 06:32:47 PM

LasersHurt: DamnYankees: Linux_Yes: Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal a hot stove.

except, the Republican will wear gloves.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

You can't put a porcupine in a barn, light it on fire, and expect to make popcorn.


Duh. You have to cover the porcupine in movie theater butter first

/Dumbass
 
2013-09-03 06:40:36 PM

DamnYankees: coeyagi: Just think of all the female toes that will be lost via an American strike...

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

/rare in-context usage of that quote


all I could think of was

"Does it have to be that cop's toe? 'Cause if it's toes you want, I can get toes."
 
2013-09-03 06:44:57 PM

enry: Cletus C.: enry: Every now and then Obama comes out as a master troller, and this is another case.

Congress has to act but I doubt the GOP can do anything unified other than put Reagan on the $10,000 bill. Obama wants to act but he's got time and wants to get the evidence in, so he passed the buck to them. The GOP is going to go crazy between their bloodlust for dead brown people and their hatred of anything Obama wants to do.

That is a very cynical view of the president.

How so?


First, Obama says the evidence is already in. Done deal. Chemical weapons used by the regime on civilians. You seem to be saying he's not telling the truth. That he's waiting for some evidence.

Second, you seem to be saying the president can play for some political points while Syrian civilians continue to suffer. No hurry, they're only brown people, I suppose.

If his intention is to save the suffering of innocent civilians it would seem he would want to act very quickly and do so, rather than look for a way to score political points. I would prefer to think he is looking for a unity of cause before taking action. Or at least as close to unity as he can get.

I don't think there are a lot of points to be scored here anyway. Many right wingers are with him, only preferring more aggressive military action.
 
2013-09-03 07:06:50 PM
"Also, we would like to see the real long-form birth certificate, you know, the Kenyan one."
 
2013-09-03 07:14:45 PM

I_C_Weener: I just love that even in serious conversation I default to muslin instead of muslim now...for any conversation on muslims. Fark...you are in my brain!!!


Congratulations.  It only gets worse from here.
 
2013-09-03 07:15:19 PM
i1089.photobucket.com
Evolution of U.S. conservatives.
 
2013-09-03 07:46:34 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


Strange, I have you farkied as 'cannot care about other people'. Doesn't your inherently hateful nature drive you to want the maximum population dead\suffering? Or do you prefer the psychological suffering you believe Obama will feel?
 
2013-09-03 08:15:02 PM

Cletus C.: Rwa2play: Cletus C.: quizzical: Even TFA admits that the request to defund Obamacare in exchange for authorization to act in Syria is "highly unlikely."

Get out of here with that. Our purpose here is to find a distraction to the fact the president's acting like W.

You mean, he's actually following precedent and asking Congress, just like W did before Iraq?  This is a bad thing in what way?

Because many people want no part of Syria. Just like many people wanted no part of Iraq. What has changed in this discussion? Certainly not the inevitability of how it will play out.


Well there was that whole invasion thing. Most Americans yawned at Desert Fox.
 
2013-09-03 08:19:43 PM
I think there is going to be a bunch more shist to De-fund after we increase our debt by interfering in Syrias internal civil war.

I pity the 20 somethings.... you guys are gonna be screwed.
 
2013-09-03 08:20:40 PM
Oh, FFS.
 
2013-09-03 08:23:59 PM
 Whatever it's nothing but a bluff. The neocons want this as much if not more than Obama. Although it would be funny to watch them fark it up over an issue that's been settled already.
 
2013-09-03 08:48:52 PM

netcentric: I think there is going to be a bunch more shist to De-fund after we increase our debt by interfering in Syrias internal civil war.

I pity the 20 somethings.... you guys are gonna be screwed.


Gonna be? Already are.
 
2013-09-03 09:34:44 PM

netweavr: ongbok: This is what the GOP has been waiting for with all of these votes to defund ACA. In their minds if they kept this going long enough it would get to the point when Obama was going to desperately need them approve something and they could hold ACA hostage for that approval. They think that they have this now. I can see them rubbing their hands together, smirking and giggling to each other "We got him now!". Unfortunately for them he could pull out the War Powers Act and tell them to go sit and spin.

He won't, he'll just lay the blood of the dead civilians on their heads.


You really think that'll discourage the GOP? The same GOP for whom the blood of 20 school children wasn't enough to even consider tighter gun regulations?
 
2013-09-03 09:52:15 PM
Obama's decision to let Congress be part of this decision was brilliant. What it comes down to is that if they do anything besides simply supporting his decision, they lose. Any attempt to gain, politically, from this situation is going to come back and bite them hard next elections.
 
2013-09-03 10:11:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh it'll be hilarious when they vote on this thing. The GOP mainstream is going to have to vote against defunding Obamacare or with Obama.


Meanwhile, most of the Democrats, burned by Iraq, will likely vote no anyway, thereby making any deal between the GOP moot.

/Oh, who the fark am I kidding, Kucinich is on F*X News rather than in the House these days...of course they'll rubber stamp it.
 
2013-09-03 10:16:22 PM

Cyclometh: DeaH: Wow. That's some fine hostage taking, GOP!

It's a bold strategy, Cotton.


Let's see if it pays off.
 
2013-09-03 10:52:12 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


THIS IS WHAT TEAHADISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
 
2013-09-03 11:20:13 PM
Is all the conservative outrage because of the thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars lost in Obama's Libyan invasion?
 
2013-09-03 11:36:25 PM

hubiestubert: God bless their poor, dear, sweet hearts, but they do try so very hard don't they...


God better. Because if one of these farkers has a heart attack screaming about Obamacare we're all gonna be stuck with the bill.
 
2013-09-04 01:16:31 AM
bombs and sick people. Sounds like a win win to me.
 
2013-09-04 01:19:29 AM

SisterMaryElephant: "It is his escape hatch," Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein told me

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said. "But is it beyond imagining that in some of these negotiations, someone says, `We really want to go with you on the war issue, but our constituents are against it, You want your resolution on Syria? How about [delaying or defunding] Obamacare?'"

"That would have been unthinkable a few years ago," Ornstein concluded. "But now, nothing is unthinkable."
In truth, that does seem highly unlikely, but I suppose you never know.

Sounds like a lock.  If some random congressional scholar says so, it MUST be true.


/not that I'd anything past the party of NO
/or the GOP or DEMS either


well, if it were only a part of no that would actually be pretty nice (domestic surveillance? no. War? no. . .) It's just a part of yes for the stuff we like to ram up everyone's arse. Just a different colored dildo is all. One is lubed and the other is spiked.

We've got too many yes men over there in DC. I'm waiting for someone to say no. Haven't seen too many of those (just a few). Hella awesome voting, America! WOOO!
 
2013-09-04 02:07:38 AM
The key thing to watch for now is how House conservatives react if Boehner and House GOP leaders make the eminently reasonable point that we shouldn't be having a government shutdown fight in the middle of a debate over whether to go to war.
 
2013-09-04 11:33:01 AM

qorkfiend: Yes, but why is there such a distinction between the two, as there is no operative difference?


I believe there are operative differences, mainly that an AUMF side-steps Constitutional requirements that come into effect when Congress formally declares war.
 
2013-09-04 12:59:17 PM

2wolves: [i1089.photobucket.com image 370x502]
Evolution of U.S. conservatives.


I'm not convinced that Victoria Jackson isn't playing a very long troll game.
 
2013-09-04 10:21:08 PM

DamnYankees: Yeah, that's gonna happen.

 
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