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(Washington Post)   What started out as a joke is becoming more likely; GOP Congresscritters might ask that, in exchange for authorizing Syrian actions, the President defund Obamacare   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 205
    More: Unlikely, obamacare, Syrians, GOP, Boehner, Norman Ornstein, Congressional Debate  
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2013-09-03 12:39:12 PM
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
 
2013-09-03 12:40:06 PM
That's a perfectly logical compromise.
 
2013-09-03 12:46:27 PM
The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.
 
2013-09-03 12:47:39 PM
Every now and then Obama comes out as a master troller, and this is another case.

Congress has to act but I doubt the GOP can do anything unified other than put Reagan on the $10,000 bill. Obama wants to act but he's got time and wants to get the evidence in, so he passed the buck to them. The GOP is going to go crazy between their bloodlust for dead brown people and their hatred of anything Obama wants to do.
 
2013-09-03 01:06:20 PM
Oh it'll be hilarious when they vote on this thing. The GOP mainstream is going to have to vote against defunding Obamacare or with Obama.
 
2013-09-03 01:13:55 PM
How about No.
 
2013-09-03 02:06:29 PM
"if you want to kill people you can't help sick people."

How mustache twirlingly evil.
 
2013-09-03 02:06:50 PM
proceed in thine act, etc.
 
2013-09-03 02:17:57 PM
They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.


This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.
 
2013-09-03 02:35:09 PM
I don't have a lot of faith in Obama, with regards to these stupid trolls in Congress. But he won't defund his own signature legislation.
 
2013-09-03 02:39:27 PM
God bless their poor, dear, sweet hearts, but they do try so very hard don't they...
 
2013-09-03 02:45:22 PM
I"m shocked they didn't cram in more food stamp cuts, school funding cuts and a joint tax credit to AT&T and Grindr for better coverage for the next RNC.
 
2013-09-03 02:47:50 PM
I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.
 
2013-09-03 02:51:41 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


Not if you unskew the numbers.
 
2013-09-03 02:53:39 PM
Even the current GOP circular firing squad isn't self-destructive enough to tie its war vote to a bullsh*t political stunt like shutting down the government to defund Obamacare.  It's possible that a few idiots will say it to make headlines and cover a no vote with hawkish constituents, but there's no way it gets any significant support.
 
2013-09-03 02:56:17 PM

nekom: They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.

This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.


The GOP's position is that anybody that wants health insurance can get it, as long as YOU pay for it. Not the government, not your company and not the 'job creators'. They don't care that it would not be affordable to many people. They just try to make the focus on the businesses, 'if your employer has to pay for your health insurance, then he will not be able to hire as many people.'

I think some of them see it as a 'needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few'. They would rather a company hire lots of low paid workers with no benefits rather than hire a lower number of employees and treat them like valued members of the company.
 
2013-09-03 02:57:58 PM
"Never let a crisis go to waste."
 
2013-09-03 02:59:40 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: That's a perfectly logical compromise.


This.
 
2013-09-03 03:00:45 PM
Abolish the House. A bicameral legislature is no longer necessary or useful.
 
2013-09-03 03:01:01 PM
GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.
 
2013-09-03 03:03:30 PM
If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.
 
2013-09-03 03:03:34 PM
please do it GOP, ask publicly & loudly.
 
2013-09-03 03:04:03 PM
We'll take fiscal issues up later with a vengeance, but now Syria anything else is our first priority.

Business as usual. Good thing we sent all those teabagger retards to Congress.

/I realize that's a theoretical quote. But I can totally see them saying that. So it's false, but accurate. Dig?
 
2013-09-03 03:04:03 PM

coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.


So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!
 
2013-09-03 03:04:51 PM

JesusJuice: Abolish the House. A bicameral legislature is no longer necessary or useful.


Um, if we're going to go bicameral, you need to eliminate the Senate, not the House. The Senate is the governing monstrosity.
 
2013-09-03 03:05:26 PM
The only principle that guides Republicans more often than faith is bad faith.
 
2013-09-03 03:05:32 PM
2011: We'll default on our credit because we won't raise the debt ceiling.

2013: We'll permit genocide if you don't allow people with preexisting conditions to outright die.

You can always bet on the GOP to outderp themselves.
 
2013-09-03 03:06:53 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.


No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.
 
2013-09-03 03:07:28 PM
It's win-win for the GOP, kill brown people and some Americans at the same time.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:06 PM
Im sure this idea seems perfectly reasonable to the GOP.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:27 PM

Aristocles: coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.

So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!


So that's what a mind boggle feels like
 
2013-09-03 03:08:32 PM
<Reads Article>

Meanwhile, Ornstein suggested another possibility, though it seems unlikely at best: what if some Republicans inject the debate over Obamacare and funding the government into the argument over Syria?

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.


So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then.  Fap away.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:38 PM
to be a Republican, you have to be a sneaky Bastard.
 
2013-09-03 03:08:40 PM
Wow, you spend a week drinking cough syrup for kicks and now you do not know if bombing certain brown people is good or bad.  Oh well back to the purple stuff.
 
2013-09-03 03:09:16 PM
"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.


www.wbez.org
 
2013-09-03 03:09:31 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


what about "life begins at erection"?  if you get a stiffy and jerk it into a sock, does that mean you are killing a potential child?
 
2013-09-03 03:09:54 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


No, life begins at inception.  If I want to have sex with ANY woman, once I have that thought of sex for the first time at let's say 13, why would any woman deny my seed and thus dash God's plan of being bountiful and multiplying?  Those prudes, all of them are pre-aborting our unborn children.  That's plain wrong.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:09 PM

Slives: I think some of them see it as a 'needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few'. They would rather a company hire lots of low paid workers with no benefits rather than hire a lower number of employees and treat them like valued members of the company.


I think they'd like the people to work as slaves or indentured servants and would be fine with worker pay being replaced by company script that's only redeemable at the company store.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:13 PM

unyon: Uranus Is Huge!: If there's no "life begins at insertion" amendment, then they're just phoning it in.

No no.  Life begins at intention.  If I want to have sex with a woman and she says no, then she's pre-aborting our unborn child.  That's just wrong.


I'll have to try that at the bar this weekend.  I'll come back and let you know how many teeth I have left afterwards.
 
2013-09-03 03:10:35 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then


Yeah, that was my take, too, and then I remembered we had people like Cruz and Paul and King and Gohmert in Congress.  Somebody will stick their dick in these mashed potatoes.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:02 PM
Question, serious.

Does a declaration of war (or force use authorization, as I'm sure it will be called) require the President's signature to take effect?

If the power to declare war is vested solely with Congress, then the Executive's signature or veto is not required; if the Executive's signature or veto is not required, it doesn't have the force of law and can't be poison-pilled like the GOP seems to be contemplating.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:02 PM
That doesn't make the least bit of sense. This isn't a matter of compromise. After they're presented with the evidence, either they think we should bomb Syria, or they don't. If they would change their vote on completely irrelevant factors, they have no business being in congress.

/I'd like to think that such a move would only garner contempt, even from those who want Obamacare repealed... but who am I kidding...
 
2013-09-03 03:11:03 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure you're thinking your cunning plan through, GOP.  You seem to be over-estimating your own popularity.


...Or taking into the account the unpopularity of a new war that won't win them any favors.
The defunding is silly, as the whole program is so farked up that it really needs to be rebuilt, But its a thing the right wants. The war is athing Obama wants.
So there's room for compromise.

/Not that there's a real need for it, if Obama makes his case on Syria.
/But don't expect congress will go along quietly even if they agree.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:15 PM

CPennypacker: Aristocles: coeyagi: GOP:  We're ok with permitting genocide unless we can stop some college kids from getting medical insurance.

So you're arguing that a go-ahead from Congress is "permitting" Obama to commit "genocide" in Syria?

Welcome to reality, former Farklib!

So that's what a mind boggle feels like


Now I'm thinking that a combination of coeyagi's not knowing how to construct a sentence and his or her ignorance of the definition of "genocide" has led to some confusion.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:25 PM

nekom: They've tried how many dozen times already?  Give it up, guys, you lost this one.

mediablitz: The only way to keep America safe is to take away health coverage from millions of people.

This is what I don't get, is this the face the GOP wants to show the nation?  We don't WANT you poor people to have health coverage.  Is that really what they're going with?  Because let me tell you, I'm well off and have great health insurance through my employer, and I'm quite lucky because I know a LOT of people who struggle to make ends meet.  Not wanting them to have health insurance, well it just comes off as mean.


This. It's a no-win proposition for the GOP. Which means it's pretty much inevitable.
 
2013-09-03 03:12:42 PM
In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...
 
2013-09-03 03:13:00 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: <Reads Article>

Meanwhile, Ornstein suggested another possibility, though it seems unlikely at best: what if some Republicans inject the debate over Obamacare and funding the government into the argument over Syria?

"It's not likely that anyone will do that," Ornstein said.

So neither the author nor his source thinks it's likely.  Okay, then.  Fap away.


And to finish his quotes:  "That would have been unthinkable a few years ago," Ornstein concluded. "But now, nothing is unthinkable."

Yes, your fine class of Derpmericans from 2010, they pretty much will do anything to f*ck over Prez. Blackenstein.

I guarantee - GUARANTEE YOU - someone in the House will at least mention the idea, even if it isn't formally brought to the floor.  They are too retarded not to.
 
2013-09-03 03:13:20 PM
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2013-09-03 03:13:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: In your little mind, it might have started out as a 'joke' on Fark, subby - but our precious little king should be forced to pay DEARLY for his new war of choice...


Potato / Arugula.
 
2013-09-03 03:14:34 PM

coeyagi: I guarantee - GUARANTEE YOU - someone in the House will at least mention the idea, even if it isn't formally brought to the floor.  They are too retarded not to.


The reason its an issue is that, as TFA mentions, the Syria thing totally farks up the debt ceiling/defund Obamacare throwdown. That was supposed to happen this month. But now Syria is preempting it. Congress still has to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, but now they just don't have the time or airspace to fight about it. So what will they do?
 
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