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2013-09-03 11:25:14 PM

Amos Quito: Forgive me, but I just returned from several days happily away from civilization, and a cursory search was unfruitful, so I'll ask here:

Has anyone even pretended to present any substantial evidence that AssadCo was the culprit here?

Obama? Kerry? McCain? Boehner?

Some foreign authority?

Anyone?

No, but it makes the domestic spying stories fade away

 
2013-09-03 11:31:42 PM

DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.


So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.
 
2013-09-03 11:36:33 PM

Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.


Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.
 
2013-09-03 11:42:25 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Amos Quito: Forgive me, but I just returned from several days happily away from civilization, and a cursory search was unfruitful, so I'll ask here:

Has anyone even pretended to present any substantial evidence that AssadCo was the culprit here?

Obama? Kerry? McCain? Boehner?

Some foreign authority?

Anyone?


No, but it makes the domestic spying stories fade away



True, and speaking of spying, do you suppose the NSA has managed to gather some "dirt" on some of our members of Congress over the years?

Properly applied, said "dirt" could really help to win some votes on this and other matters.
 
2013-09-03 11:45:44 PM

vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.


Yet there still seems to be no substantial evidence that AssadCo was actually the culprit here, is there?

In fact, all evidence would seem to be exculpatory, wouldn't it?

Yet here we go...

Why?
 
2013-09-03 11:46:24 PM

Kahabut: So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.


Uh, you DO realize that the CWs that the US possesses are completely unusable, and pose more of a danger to anyone trying to assemble them than they do to anyone they're being used on.

They've also destroyed 89.1% of all of their cold war stockpile, with the rest due to be destroyed before 2021.
 
2013-09-03 11:51:05 PM

Amos Quito: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

Yet there still seems to be no substantial evidence that AssadCo was actually the culprit here, is there?

In fact, all evidence would seem to be exculpatory, wouldn't it?

Yet here we go...

Why?


Strange. The guys who told us to go fark ourselves over Iraq don't agree with your assessment.
 
2013-09-04 12:05:21 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: kill a bunch of people at random

I think you underestimate smart weapons. We're not sending B-52s into Laos, here.


Why can't Assad be targeted personally? Am I misunderstanding the capability of drones and smart missiles?
 
2013-09-04 12:16:15 AM
Can you imagine a man giving his life for a movie role? Arguably, that's what Heath Ledger did. Would he have been drawn down that dark path if not for the joker character? No one will ever know.

WWIII was the cold war I thought, technically we're on IV.
 
2013-09-04 12:19:01 AM

hardinparamedic: Kahabut: So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Uh, you DO realize that the CWs that the US possesses are completely unusable, and pose more of a danger to anyone trying to assemble them than they do to anyone they're being used on.

They've also destroyed 89.1% of all of their cold war stockpile, with the rest due to be destroyed before 2021.


Destroying?

God, I hope they're not just wasting all of that precious fluoride when they could be dumping it in our water.


Revealed: UK Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria
UK accused of 'breath-taking laxity' over export licence for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride


Just think of all the teeth that could be saved!
 
2013-09-04 12:19:09 AM

mediablitz: BravadoGT: nekom: Does he have the votes?  It would make him look pretty stupid if he said that and didn't.  Not that he hasn't made an ass of himself before

He'll get them.  Or not.  It doesn't matter--at this point, it's more about Obama's ego now, so it's going to happen.

You really have no control over yourself, do you?

Actually I agree that saving Obama's ego does play a huge role in this.

 
2013-09-04 12:21:25 AM

Weaver95: You know...if the GOP wants to kill people in the middle east then maybe we should air drop the first born of every member of congress into Syria with a full combat load out and let them sort it out for us.

President Trayvon would not be happy.

 
2013-09-04 12:22:57 AM

hardinparamedic: Kahabut: So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Uh, you DO realize that the CWs that the US possesses are completely unusable, and pose more of a danger to anyone trying to assemble them than they do to anyone they're being used on.

They've also destroyed 89.1% of all of their cold war stockpile, with the rest due to be destroyed before 2021.


You do realize that doesn't change my point in the least?  No of course you don't, because you are a moron.  You are more interested in trolling and bringing up irrelevancies.

I'll bet you can't even coherently restate my point, because you don't know what it was.  Go white knight the LGBT threads some more, maybe we can witness your coming out on fark, everyone but you already knows.
 
2013-09-04 12:26:08 AM

kg2095: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: kill a bunch of people at random

I think you underestimate smart weapons. We're not sending B-52s into Laos, here.

Why can't Assad be targeted personally? Am I misunderstanding the capability of drones and smart missiles?


A Head of State calling a "hit" on another Head of State is considered unsportsmanlike conduct.

Dying in war is the job of the peons.

Now get to work, peon.
 
2013-09-04 12:39:23 AM

vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.


It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.
 
2013-09-04 12:45:45 AM

Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.


www.bitlogic.com
Does that mean everyone else should STFU about how we tortured people?
 
2013-09-04 12:50:12 AM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Bombing Iraq will start WWIII!
Bombing Afghanistan will start WWIII!
Bombing Libya will start WWIII!
I swear I see that wolf right over there!

Eventually someone is gonna start bombing us back.

Again.

 
2013-09-04 01:18:48 AM

vygramul: Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.

[www.bitlogic.com image 621x341]
Does that mean everyone else should STFU about how we tortured people?


Yes.  They are equivalent concepts.  If you want to operate from an economic, or international relations point of view towards nation state activity, fine.  Initiating military action when you haven't been attacked is unacceptable, and we've been doing it with various excuses for far too long.  Syria just happens to be the least valid of the lot so far, and so makes a pretty good sticking point.
 
2013-09-04 02:05:21 AM

vygramul: Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.

[www.bitlogic.com image 621x341]
Does that mean everyone else should STFU about how we tortured people?


::: Clap Clap ::: VYGRAMUL wins the troll of the year award.  No way anyone is that stupid without trolling.
 
2013-09-04 02:09:37 AM

Sliding Carp: mediablitz: We've found the ONE THING Republicans will agree with Obama on. Killing...

Oh, they'll be against it as soon as the pictures of dead kids in rubble show up.


Even dead Muslim children?
 
2013-09-04 02:21:51 AM
Amos Quito:  Destroying?

God, I hope they're not just wasting all of that precious fluoride when they could be dumping it in our water.


Revealed: UK Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria
UK accused of 'breath-taking laxity' over export licence for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride


Just think of all the teeth that could be saved!


www.revivingworkethic.com

Damn you OBAMMMMMA!!!
 
rka
2013-09-04 03:09:54 AM

Don't Lag Me Bro: As a Canadian, I hope Congress does go for it. 100,000 people have died so far, and Syria's leader is using chemical weapons on his population. Surgical strikes on military targets and maybe one on his house.
Put in a peace keeping force, start elections, etc.


As an American, I hope Canada realizes that they are led by a bunch of cowards.

Have the farking balls to step up or have the balls to say "not our problem". Canada's stance is the stance of cowards. You want to be on the side of victory by voicing moral support to the US while at the same damn time you want to be in a position where you are able to point at the US in the event of failure and go "Hey, wasn't me!". I'd quote a Rush lyric here but anything Canadian in this thread just makes me want to vomit.

You should be ashamed Canada. I don't even particularly care what side of the argument you pick. Just have the stones to actually pick one.
 
2013-09-04 09:05:06 AM

Harry_Seldon: Sliding Carp: mediablitz: We've found the ONE THING Republicans will agree with Obama on. Killing...

Oh, they'll be against it as soon as the pictures of dead kids in rubble show up.

Even dead Muslim children?


Regardless of religion, Syrians are pretty white.
 
2013-09-04 09:21:50 AM

Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.

[www.bitlogic.com image 621x341]
Does that mean everyone else should STFU about how we tortured people?

Yes.  They are equivalent concepts.  If you want to operate from an economic, or international relations point of view towards nation state activity, fine.  Initiating military action when you haven't been attacked is unacceptable, and we've been doing it with various excuses for far too long.  Syria just happens to be the least valid of the lot so far, and so makes a pretty good sticking point.


How on earth could you consider Syria the LEAST valid. We invaded Iraq because Saddam HAD weapons. We want to just bomb Syria for USING them. Seems to me that Iraq is far less valid.

Libya was less valid, too. We bombed him without even THAT much justification.

Least valid? By what measure?
 
2013-09-04 09:24:22 AM

Visionmn2: vygramul: Kahabut: vygramul: Kahabut: DominaNY: Our military should attack and destroy their chemical plants that manufacture sarin, etc. And there are Arab nations that would participate with us. We need to keep a red line vs chemical uses, and to ensure they are not provided to enemies of US, such as Al Quaeda, etc.

WMD can NOT be tolerated. Period. No matter what happened elsewhere. There are constant terrorist threats vs.America.

So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Specifically, USING CW is, not merely possessing, or we would have bombed them years ago.

It's not that I don't understand, it's that no nation has the right to dictate what any other nation does.  Just because you have a bigger military, doesn't mean you get to dictate world policy on things like which weapons of death are allowed.

[www.bitlogic.com image 621x341]
Does that mean everyone else should STFU about how we tortured people?

::: Clap Clap ::: VYGRAMUL wins the troll of the year award.  No way anyone is that stupid without trolling.


It wasn't a troll. It was demonstrating the notion that nobody should care how nations kill people is false. It was sarcasm.
 
2013-09-04 11:16:51 AM

Kahabut: hardinparamedic: Kahabut: So you want to authorize bombings on american soil?  Because most WMD in the world exist here.  CW production is supposedly not going on, but we still have huge stockpiles so that's not working for you either.

Uh, you DO realize that the CWs that the US possesses are completely unusable, and pose more of a danger to anyone trying to assemble them than they do to anyone they're being used on.

They've also destroyed 89.1% of all of their cold war stockpile, with the rest due to be destroyed before 2021.

You do realize that doesn't change my point in the least?  No of course you don't, because you are a moron.  You are more interested in trolling and bringing up irrelevancies.

I'll bet you can't even coherently restate my point, because you don't know what it was.  Go white knight the LGBT threads some more, maybe we can witness your coming out on fark, everyone but you already knows.


I love you. You're always so predictable.

>Kahabut Posts something completely irrelevant as a comparison, and factually flawed at that.
>Someone else posts a complete debunking of his statement.
>Kahabut claims he's being trolled and cries about people being mean to him.
 
2013-09-04 12:40:14 PM

dukeblue219: neversubmit: Hopefully Putin gets replaced soon.

Saudis Go on Full Alert after Putin Threatens to Hit S. Arab in Reprisal for US Attack on Syria

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Main Intelligence Directorate, or the GRU in Russian (for Glavnoye Razvedyvatelnoye Upravleniye) reported that President Putin's orders this week to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for a "massive military strike" against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria has "stunned" the Saudis forcing them to go on "full war alert"


Seriously? Look at the site you're referencing, and the fact that THEIR source is http://whatdoesitmean.com/. Then visit that site. Tell me you're not serious.


Oh FRAK.

I damn near fell for that like a dork cuz I was preoccupied with bizniss & payin rent & shiat yesterday.

It did however smell very very wrong for reasons I could absolutely not at that time elucidate.

Thank you, dukeblue.
 
2013-09-04 01:26:15 PM

Kahabut: want to authorize bombings on american soil


Farkied, dumbass.
 
2013-09-04 02:34:00 PM

hardinparamedic: I love you. You're always so predictable.

>Kahabut Posts something completely irrelevant as a comparison, and factually flawed at that.
>SomeoneMoron  else posts a completely irrelevant troll with no relation to the original point    debunking of his statement.
>Kahabut claims he's being trolled and cries about people being mean to him calls out the moron.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-09-04 02:44:41 PM

Kahabut: Fixed that for you.


No, you've fixed nothing. You HAVE doubled down on stupidity.

Your claim was that possession of chemical weapons was grounds to bomb a nation when you tried to equate mere possession of such with what is being done in Syria.

The fact of the matter is that the United States has not developed offensive chemical weapons since the late 1970s thanks to the Convention on Chemical Weapons. What programs it HAS maintained have been geared towards defensive measures, namely neutralization of utilized chemical weapons and protections of soldiers and civilians from them. The delivery systems which it has maintained are no longer even usable with the current equipment the US Military uses, and binary and unitary agents are so old that they actually pose a severe hazard to anyone attempting to neutralize them and destroy them.

Let's contrast this with Syria. Even assuming that Assad was not the one that used chemical weapons (since we're pretending that cooking up Sarin is so easy you can do it successfully in your bathtub, according to one spectacularly dumb-assed thread post a while back), the Syrian government has maintained a very active biochemical weapons program since the late 1980s, with the help of the Russians. In fact, they've long been considered the most advanced in the World, since the Soviets/Russians and the United States both abandoned offensive chemical weapons research in the early 1980s with further iterations of the chemical weapons convention.

The United States has never used it's nerve gas stockpiles against anyone, let alone civilians. They are actively destroying it. They have never postured the use of such, in violation with accepted international conventions.

So yes. Your comparison was stupid. Just admit it, and move on.
 
2013-09-04 11:08:57 PM
I think Kahabutt's head imploded.

A shame, really.
 
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