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2013-09-03 02:49:19 PM

Joe Blowme: Stupid is as stupid does.
If a nazi and Klansmen were in a fight to the death, you dont take sides... you wait for one to kill the other then take out the one thats left. TOTAL stupidity on both sides is nothing new.


But, but we are tired of waiting......

//Cool analogy by the way :)
 
2013-09-03 02:49:35 PM

umad: Linux_Yes: yea, after the smokescreen of 'yea we know for a fact sadam has WMD's'

We did know for a fact that he had them. We gave them to him. We're still talking about CW right? I get confused as to which wars they are considered WMDs for or not.


1988 Iraq may be slightly different than 2003 Iraq.

Hmmmm, i wonder why the U.S. would tolerate the use of CW in 1988?
 
2013-09-03 02:50:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: paygun: I'm sure the anti-war protests will start any minute now, right?

http://ktla.com/2013/08/31/anti-war-demostrators-protest-u-s-militar y- action-in-syria/

Yeah, some homolibs protested yesterday.  What a bunch of pussies.  I STAND bravely with our Commander-in-Chief in the face of terror.


lazy troll is lazy. this has nothing to do with "terror", aside from that feeling we have as our economy shiats itself from restarting the war engine.

can't have profits or a stable farking society or anything, sheesh.
 
2013-09-03 02:51:03 PM

darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.

To be clear, you think we are specifically and knowingly arming AQ and the MB?

Yes.


We did it before, much to the former Soviet Union's disdain.
 
2013-09-03 02:51:33 PM
I won't say anything because certain Mods (as in the 60s TV series) love filter comments that disagree with their worldview.

In the words of the apostle James, "I HAVE THE POWERRRR!"
 
2013-09-03 02:52:28 PM

paygun: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

I don't know if you're aware of this but we're going to be greeted as liberators.


That never seems to work completely out for us in the Middle east.
 
2013-09-03 02:52:34 PM

I_C_Weener: JDAT: Once Obama utters the "I don't do what's popular, I do what's right" statement his transformation will be complete.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 283x178]
"I'm the decider."

"You don't bomb Syria with the Rebel Al-Qaeda intelligence you want, you bomb Syria with the Rebel Al-Qaeda intelligence you have"

 
2013-09-03 02:52:43 PM

machoprogrammer: muck1969: 
You are definitely naive. This is the same Obama that has the NSA spying on US citizens "to stop terrorism", then allows that data to be used in drug busts and copyright infringement. The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it


Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.  But presume that it's a non-issue for the President, that by supporting the opposite view of Republicans he can sacrifice this issue as a political loss while retaining ground on the issues he actually cares about.  Conspiracy spin possibly, but this is what happens when I mumble "why" instead of blindly accepting the sensationalism that news media barfs up.
 
2013-09-03 02:52:46 PM

bbfreak: Now, I'm not saying we should strike Syria. I am highly skeptical of the use of military force in this situation but I do think in essence saying that Iraq & Syria are the same situations is disingenuous.


jshine: Similarity and equality are different concepts.

 
2013-09-03 02:52:57 PM

darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.

To be clear, you think we are specifically and knowingly arming AQ and the MB?

Yes.


Alex Jones' website is missing it's village idiot.
 
2013-09-03 02:53:18 PM

farkingatwork: Rapmaster2000: paygun: I'm sure the anti-war protests will start any minute now, right?

http://ktla.com/2013/08/31/anti-war-demostrators-protest-u-s-militar y- action-in-syria/

Yeah, some homolibs protested yesterday.  What a bunch of pussies.  I STAND bravely with our Commander-in-Chief in the face of terror.

lazy troll is lazy. this has nothing to do with "terror", aside from that feeling we have as our economy shiats itself from restarting the war engine.

can't have profits or a stable farking society or anything, sheesh.


Obviously, you have forgotten that day the towers fell.  I'll never forget.  When you forget what happened that day, an eagle cries.
 
2013-09-03 02:53:43 PM

Pimparoo: Tip for the anti-war side: make the effort to show at least a modicum of sympathy towards the innocent people being gassed and burned to death. When you ignore that and only respond with bumper sticker slogans, you come off as offensive as gun nuts that don't care about innocent shooting victims.


It's weird isn't it?  NIMBY humanitarianism?

/anti-war
 
2013-09-03 02:54:15 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: How can they all be this fargin' stupid?


Because the voters tend to vote "Team" and not "Intelligence". This is the end result of that.
 
2013-09-03 02:54:18 PM

Cyberluddite: cameroncrazy1984: I think you underestimate smart weapons. We're not sending B-52s into Laos, here.

Yeah, they've worked so will in Iraq.  No dead kids, no weddings blown up, nothing bad at all.  They're completely foolproof.


It's only because they generally work well to begin with that weddings getting blown up during an air campaign is actually news at this point, prior to smart weapons civilian casualties was the rule rather than the exception. Besides it not like those kids and weddings and so forth aren't going to die horribly due to gas attacks if nothing is done about it, chemical attacks tend to cause a lot more collateral damage then jdams after all.
 
2013-09-03 02:55:08 PM
WOW just wow.. Obama wants war. Obama is a Democrat. Pelosi also supports it. Didn't mean it got votes. So chillax.
 
2013-09-03 02:55:26 PM
Found it interesting this weekend when our local Republican congressman came out in support of Obama regarding Syria.  He hasn't agreed with him on anything, ever.
 
2013-09-03 02:55:53 PM
Boehner has now officially come out of the closet as a RINO.
 
2013-09-03 02:56:10 PM

muck1969: machoprogrammer: muck1969: 
You are definitely naive. This is the same Obama that has the NSA spying on US citizens "to stop terrorism", then allows that data to be used in drug busts and copyright infringement. The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it

Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.  But presume that it's a non-issue for the President, that by supporting the opposite view of Republicans he can sacrifice this issue as a political loss while retaining ground on the issues he actually cares about.  Conspiracy spin possibly, but this is what happens when I mumble "why" instead of blindly accepting the sensationalism that news media barfs up.


Id say you are over thinking it. President Obama has proven himself to not exactly agree with Candidate Obama
 
kab
2013-09-03 02:56:29 PM
Oh goodie, another war effort.

Who stands to rake in a shiatload of money on this one?
 
2013-09-03 02:56:41 PM
So our choices are...

1. The US attacks Syria, takes out as much of their military power as they can, and civilians die.

or

2. The US does nothing, Syria keeps all of its military power, and civilians die.


So... what's option 3?
 
2013-09-03 02:57:17 PM

vygramul: Headso: vygramul: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"

[whitenoiseinsanity.com image 750x499]

I'm not seeing rebel leaders being invited to the Obama White House.


that picture represents something bigger than a trip to the whitehouse, not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse are are just unfamiliar with what went on during that time. If it's the latter I can see why you made your post about not knowing any history that says this will comeback and bite us.
 
2013-09-03 02:57:21 PM
If George Zimmerman gave his opinion on Syria while being interviewed in a Walmart parking lot, after buying the latest Miley Cyrus album, we could have the most epic thread in history.
 
2013-09-03 02:57:44 PM
OK, whose cousin owns the cruise missile factory?
 
2013-09-03 02:57:55 PM
...between the red line and the If I have a son he'd be Trayvon speeches, Obama is not quite the great orator many thought him to be.
 
2013-09-03 02:59:10 PM

freak7: If George Zimmerman gave his opinion on Syria while being interviewed in a Walmart parking lot, after buying the latest Miley Cyrus album, we could have the most epic thread in history.


you throw in the Zimm getting glitterbombed by a pro gay-marriage advocate during the interview & that's epic thread territory.
 
2013-09-03 03:00:17 PM

Isitoveryet: freak7: If George Zimmerman gave his opinion on Syria while being interviewed in a Walmart parking lot, after buying the latest Miley Cyrus album, we could have the most epic thread in history.

you throw in the Zimm getting glitterbombed by a pro gay-marriage advocate during the interview & that's epic thread territory.


And the pro marriage advocates are two hot chicks in yoga pants.
 
2013-09-03 03:00:20 PM

freak7: If George Zimmerman gave his opinion on Syria while being interviewed in a Walmart parking lot, after buying the latest Miley Cyrus album, we could have the most epic thread in history.


I heard that George Zimmerman is pro circumcision and public breastfeeding.
 
2013-09-03 03:00:24 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Boehner has now officially come out of the closet as a RINO.


And if you let a RINO out of the closet, then next they'll want a cookie...and gay marriage.  Right?
 
2013-09-03 03:00:32 PM
We should just all do what the pope said, and pray for the conflict to end.  That will solve everything!

/sarcasm
 
2013-09-03 03:01:00 PM

LasersHurt: keepitcherry: Take off the partisan blinders - how is Obama any different than Bush was? How can people STILL support this guy?

Are you high, or 14?

 
2013-09-03 03:01:14 PM
Those who don't learn from history will fight Charlie Wilson's war over and over.
 
2013-09-03 03:02:13 PM

BravadoGT: Shostie: Will you f*cking stop it with this WWIII sh*t?

There are a LOT of proxies involved here.  If Syria/Hezbollah launch a deadly attack against Israel--what makes you so sure the USA and Russia will stay out of it?


Because it would not even be remotely in Russia's interest to start a war. Their military has been in shambles for decades. Their ability to project power outside their borders is severely limited. Their economy could not sustain a foreign war for very long, especially one with the entirety of NATO. Putin is a kleptocratic thug, but he's not crazy and he's not stupid. He wants power and wealth. Having Russia bombed back into the stone age accomplishes neither of those goals.

What on earth makes you think Russia would go to war with NATO over Syria? That's the question you should be asking yourself. Sure, Russia likes having Syria as someone to sell their weapons to, but Russia isn't exactly doing to spend money and blood to continue to receive a tiny fraction of the amount that a war would cost.
 
2013-09-03 03:05:46 PM

WippitGuud: So our choices are...

1. The US attacks Syria, takes out as much of their military power as they can, and civilians die.

or

2. The US does nothing, Syria keeps all of its military power, and civilians die.


So... what's option 3?


In a perfect world? We convince China & Russia to stop being assholes on the security counsel after the UN results come back in a damning way that suggests that Assad did indeed gas his own people. Then the Arab League, The United States, Turkey, and France put pressure on Syria while Russia talks Syria to at least give up its chemical weapons. In general a real solution will require Russia not being an asshole specifically, and multinational support.
 
2013-09-03 03:07:48 PM

muck1969: Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.



Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' was never a professor of anything or never tried a case as a lawyer?  Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor' ignores congress at will, or somehow didn't know that obamacare was a tax?

Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' has no record of being EITHER ONE, and his entire academic career has been wiped/scraped clean so that no one can see it?

Did you wonder why Princess Moochelle (before she was crowned Queen) got a $300,000 a year no-show job at a Chicago hospital system?


Did you ever wonder... about the world outside of your little bubble?
 
2013-09-03 03:08:09 PM

machoprogrammer: Do you have any idea what bombing Syria is going to do? The rebels are linked to al Qaeda and are just as bad, if not worse than, Assad.


Which is why I think maybe it would be a good idea to start shooting some missiles at places we know or think have those chems in them. See, regardless of who ultimately wins, it's probably best for everyone else if as few of those weapons are still available as possible when this ends.

machoprogrammer: But I get it, Obama is on your team. So go ahead and be partisan


I'll assume from your insipid strawman that you cede the argument to me. Have a nice day.
 
2013-09-03 03:09:03 PM

Thrag: ....What on earth makes you think Russia would go to war with NATO over Syria? That's the question you should be asking yourself. Sure, Russia likes having Syria as someone to sell their weapons to, but Russia isn't exactly doing to spend money and blood to continue to receive a tiny fraction of the amount that a war would cost.



It has it's only Naval Port in the Mediterainian  there as well.
 
2013-09-03 03:09:04 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Did you wonder why Princess Moochelle (before she was crowned Queen) got a $300,000 a year no-show job at a Chicago hospital system?


oh please enlighten us oh great asker of wonder.
 
2013-09-03 03:09:49 PM

Neighborhood Watch: muck1969: Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.


Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' was never a professor of anything or never tried a case as a lawyer?  Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor' ignores congress at will, or somehow didn't know that obamacare was a tax?

Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' has no record of being EITHER ONE, and his entire academic career has been wiped/scraped clean so that no one can see it?

Did you wonder why Princess Moochelle (before she was crowned Queen) got a $300,000 a year no-show job at a Chicago hospital system?


Did you ever wonder... about the world outside of your little bubble?


Don't forget all of those lobsters and caviar and champagne.  That's the kind of food rich people eat!

i80.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-03 03:10:23 PM

Headso: vygramul: Headso: vygramul: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"

[whitenoiseinsanity.com image 750x499]

I'm not seeing rebel leaders being invited to the Obama White House.

that picture represents something bigger than a trip to the whitehouse, not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse are are just unfamiliar with what went on during that time. If it's the latter I can see why you made your post about not knowing any history that says this will comeback and bite us.


There's a difference between arming the rebels and simply disabling the CW capabilities of Assad. When it comes to history, not intervening can result in just as terrible a result as intervening. Maybe Assad then gives chemical weapons to someone who uses them on us. "Thanks, Obama, for not intervening when you had the chance!"

The likely result will be nothing. Just like it has been for Libya, and what it was for Libya '83.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:25 PM

WippitGuud: So our choices are...

1. The US attacks Syria, takes out as much of their military power as they can, and civilians die.

or

2. The US does nothing, Syria keeps all of its military power, and civilians die.


So... what's option 3?


Mind our own business and if a democracy rises from the ashes, open our doors for trade.

We should have established a policy the we would only trade with democratic nations. That would have solved most of our foreign policy and economic problems.
 
2013-09-03 03:11:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: muck1969: Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.


Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' was never a professor of anything or never tried a case as a lawyer?  Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor' ignores congress at will, or somehow didn't know that obamacare was a tax?

Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' has no record of being EITHER ONE, and his entire academic career has been wiped/scraped clean so that no one can see it?

Did you wonder why Princess Moochelle (before she was crowned Queen) got a $300,000 a year no-show job at a Chicago hospital system?


Did you ever wonder... about the world outside of your little bubble?


This is by far the stupidest thing on fark today.
 
2013-09-03 03:12:25 PM

justtray: This is by far the stupidest thing on fark today.


Don't sell him short, he's been posting all day.
 
2013-09-03 03:12:34 PM
Rapmaster2000:Don't forget all of those lobsters and caviar and champagne.  That's the kind of food rich people eat!

[i80.photobucket.com image 298x486]


More money is spent on food wasted on Masterchef in one episode than that.
 
2013-09-03 03:12:40 PM

Thrag: BravadoGT: Shostie: Will you f*cking stop it with this WWIII sh*t?

There are a LOT of proxies involved here.  If Syria/Hezbollah launch a deadly attack against Israel--what makes you so sure the USA and Russia will stay out of it?

Because it would not even be remotely in Russia's interest to start a war. Their military has been in shambles for decades. Their ability to project power outside their borders is severely limited. Their economy could not sustain a foreign war for very long, especially one with the entirety of NATO. Putin is a kleptocratic thug, but he's not crazy and he's not stupid. He wants power and wealth. Having Russia bombed back into the stone age accomplishes neither of those goals.

What on earth makes you think Russia would go to war with NATO over Syria? That's the question you should be asking yourself. Sure, Russia likes having Syria as someone to sell their weapons to, but Russia isn't exactly doing to spend money and blood to continue to receive a tiny fraction of the amount that a war would cost.


For the most part I want to agree with you, but when Mr. Putin didn't take the Saudi offer I thought "that's crazy" so do you know what's his game?
 
2013-09-03 03:13:10 PM

LasersHurt: darth_badger: And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.

To be clear, you think we are specifically and knowingly arming AQ and the MB?


MB.... yes, Obama loves him some MB
AQ... i hope to allah not
 
2013-09-03 03:13:23 PM

mizchief: That would have solved most of our foreign policy and economic problems.


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2013-09-03 03:15:06 PM

mizchief: WippitGuud: So our choices are...

1. The US attacks Syria, takes out as much of their military power as they can, and civilians die.

or

2. The US does nothing, Syria keeps all of its military power, and civilians die.


So... what's option 3?

Mind our own business and if a democracy rises from the ashes, open our doors for trade.

We should have established a policy the we would only trade with democratic nations. That would have solved most of our foreign policy and economic problems.


hahaohwow.jpeg
 
2013-09-03 03:18:14 PM

mizchief: We should have established a policy the we would only trade with democratic nations. That would have solved most of our foreign policy and economic problems.


I don't even want to think about how much trade the US currently does with nondemocratic nations. Hell, stopping trade with just China would cause a lot of economic damage.
 
2013-09-03 03:19:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: Neighborhood Watch: muck1969: Did you ever wonder why a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer would defend NSA's domestic spying?  It's contradictory.


Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' was never a professor of anything or never tried a case as a lawyer?  Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor' ignores congress at will, or somehow didn't know that obamacare was a tax?

Did you ever wonder why 'a former constitutional professor and former civil rights lawyer' has no record of being EITHER ONE, and his entire academic career has been wiped/scraped clean so that no one can see it?

Did you wonder why Princess Moochelle (before she was crowned Queen) got a $300,000 a year no-show job at a Chicago hospital system?


Did you ever wonder... about the world outside of your little bubble?

Don't forget all of those lobsters and caviar and champagne.  That's the kind of food rich people eat!

[i80.photobucket.com image 298x486]


I love how there are still people out there who believe that the president or his wife personally sign for room service.
 
2013-09-03 03:20:25 PM

bbfreak: Syria's chemical weapons have NOTHING to do with were once Iraq's chemical weapons.


There.
 
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