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2013-09-03 02:24:34 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Barbecue Bob:

Broken record. You sound like one.

I support our troops... coming home.

We had people like you back when I was in Nam, always holding us back from finishing the job.  And I did what I had to do to win!  But somebody wouldn't let us win!  And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting.  Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me?  Who are they?  Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!


You want what all of those soldiers want...to be loved by their country, as much as they love their country!!!!!
 
2013-09-03 02:24:43 PM  
Please someone stand up and stop these fools.
 
2013-09-03 02:24:51 PM  

ManateeGag: Shostie: Will you f*cking stop it with this WWIII sh*t?

no, Obama's bombing someone, so it's WWIII and we're all going to be nuked!


Iraq and Afghanistan weren't backed by Russia and China.
 
2013-09-03 02:25:07 PM  

keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.


Also, people accusing everyone who doesn't agree with them of being an "Obama Apologist."
 
2013-09-03 02:25:35 PM  

keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.


Yup. In before some mouth breather says BSABSVR!!!
 
2013-09-03 02:25:42 PM  

keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.


And Libya/Syria/Egypt threads their Hajj.  :)
 
2013-09-03 02:25:56 PM  

keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.


Only ignorant Tea Tards would think that.
 
2013-09-03 02:27:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: You know...if the GOP wants to kill people in the middle east then maybe we should air drop the first born of every member of congress into Syria with a full combat load out and let them sort it out for us.

Oh jeebus christ!!

Really?! You're putting this at the feet of the Republicans? The Democrat President says that he wants to do and that he's going to do it either way and somehow this is a Republican's war?!

The only way I would support this is if the President said he was going to do this either way, which I think he has. But I still believe that politics end at the water's edge. The President is going to do this. Either he can do this with Congress's blessing or without it. For the good of the nation I think we need to go to war with a whole and intact effort.


I only support this if a) There is clear proof and motive for Assad to have used the chemical weapons and b) there is clear benefit to the US that justifies the economic and diplomatic costs.
 
2013-09-03 02:27:33 PM  

CynicalLA: keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.

Only ignorant Tea Tards would think that.


Gentlemen, please!!!!  You can't fight in here.  This is the politics tab.
 
2013-09-03 02:27:49 PM  

vygramul: BravadoGT: vygramul: BravadoGT: cman: uber humper: In the last 100 years:

Republican President Wars:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo
Grenada
Panama

Democrat President Wars:
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Yugoslavia


FTFY

"Grenada?"  I've seen fights at football games that were longer and more bloody...

Odd - more American soldiers died in Grenada than in Yugoslavia. Yet you're not being defensive about Yugoslavia for some reason.

We largely bombed Yugoslavia from the air.  LOTS of bodies in that one--just not Americans.

We're largely just going to bomb Syria from the air.


you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!
 
2013-09-03 02:27:52 PM  

Linux_Yes: soakitincider: obama is a piece of shiat


no he isn't.  he's caught between a rock and a hard place. the hard place being the GOP and the reality of syria gasing its citizens.  if Obama can do surgical strikes with no american boots on the ground, they i support it.  if not, then no.  but to do nothing sends the wrong message to the world's terrorist/idiots.  hey, i can spray sarin and no one is going to do anything.

if your boy bush was in there, you'd be waving your Flag and screaming about Freedom.


You are presuming that the world's terrorist/idiots are rational actors who are, today, only restraining themselves from using Chemical Weapons due to a nebulous threat of U.S. intervention, and I just don't think that's valid.

If you are either a sitting dictator who is choosing between the use of chemical agents and being dragged out of power, a theoretical U.S. attack doesn't really seem like a pressing concern.  Same story for terrorist organizations.
 
2013-09-03 02:28:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it


don't be racist dude
 
2013-09-03 02:28:41 PM  
Stupid is as stupid does.
If a nazi and Klansmen were in a fight to the death, you dont take sides... you wait for one to kill the other then take out the one thats left. TOTAL stupidity on both sides is nothing new.
 
2013-09-03 02:29:12 PM  

paygun: machoprogrammer: The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it

don't be racist dude


We get it.  Bush is white!
 
2013-09-03 02:30:24 PM  

paygun: machoprogrammer: The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it

don't be racist dude


You shouldn't post while stroking your guns.
 
2013-09-03 02:30:45 PM  

BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!


I don't know if you're aware of this but we're going to be greeted as liberators.
 
2013-09-03 02:31:42 PM  

keepitcherry: Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.

Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.


No

Fark has a very diverse political community.

You only remember those who move you emotionally.

Those who are Obama supporters make you angry, so you are more apt to remember them. Those who are neutral about Obama are forgettable for you. Those who are anti-Obama sometimes make you happy, meaning that you will remember those people, but only if they are absolutely awesome.

Humans have better memories of those who disagree with them because they are a threat to your social beliefs. Hence, you remember your enemies much better than your friends, and you believe that your enemies outnumber you.
 
2013-09-03 02:32:06 PM  
Will you f*cking stop it with this WWIII sh*t


Why? getting nervous?
 
2013-09-03 02:33:19 PM  

BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!


History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"
 
2013-09-03 02:34:13 PM  
Russia I'm not too concerned about. No matter how hard-ass of a stance Putin wants to take on anything, he can't deny a staggering amount of his citizens are unemployed heroin addicts and the military will sell anything to anyone for cents on the dollar. We're "broke", but not Russia-broke.
 
2013-09-03 02:34:14 PM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: kill a bunch of people at random

I think you underestimate smart weapons. We're not sending B-52s into Laos, here.

Smart weapons didn't get saddam. That came down to good old fashioned boots on the ground foot work. I very much doubt our booming runs would slow down the killing and violence in Syria. We are just going to make things worse.


Same with OBL. I'm wondering if we're waving the red flag of war while secretly sending in ST6 to take out Assad. Is there enough proof that he is responsible for gassing his own citizens? If so, then he should be the primary target in order to minimize collateral damage.

I also think that regardless of what the American people believe is right in terms of military action in Syria, we sure as hell would be looking for help if the tables were turned and our government was gassing innocent citizens.

/do unto others, yada yada yada
 
2013-09-03 02:34:24 PM  
The differences between Bush and Obama is pretty  black and white.
 
2013-09-03 02:35:00 PM  

vygramul: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"


whitenoiseinsanity.com
 
2013-09-03 02:36:09 PM  
Republicans were sure Hades-bent on approving the war in Iraq.  So why are they not scrambling to approve this one?  Oh wait, I remember.  They are sore losers.
 
2013-09-03 02:36:12 PM  

doubled99: Will you f*cking stop it with this WWIII sh*t


Why? getting nervous?


About what? What in history makes you believe that THIS time will be different?
 
2013-09-03 02:36:56 PM  
The best part of this action against Syria is the morons comparing it to Iraq, who supported Iraq, defended Bush, insisted there WMDs in Iraq, thought it was a good idea to invade Afghanistan from a President with nothing but false pretenses and failure to actually kill the terrorist leader. These same people who would be calling Obama a pussy if he chose to do nothing, who has bipartisan support and will take action in the appropriate way, with minimal bodies on the ground, who was able to kill the leader of the 9/11 terrorist plot.

Keep calling it WWIII and keep trying to cover for one of the worst presidents in American history with false equivilence. I expect no less than abjuct hypocrisy, deflection, and projection from you all.
 
2013-09-03 02:39:54 PM  

justtray: The best part of this action against Syria is the morons comparing it to Iraq, who supported Iraq, defended Bush, insisted there WMDs in Iraq, thought it was a good idea to invade Afghanistan from a President with nothing but false pretenses and failure to actually kill the terrorist leader. These same people who would be calling Obama a pussy if he chose to do nothing, who has bipartisan support and will take action in the appropriate way, with minimal bodies on the ground, who was able to kill the leader of the 9/11 terrorist plot.

Keep calling it WWIII and keep trying to cover for one of the worst presidents in American history with false equivilence. I expect no less than abjuct hypocrisy, deflection, and projection from you all.


Let them say what they want.  Obama is gonna look awesome in that flight suit.
 
2013-09-03 02:40:15 PM  

Sentient: I'm tired of being the nation who responds to atrocities with destruction. If Syria wants to behave like a child, we should act like a parent AND BEAT THEIR ASSES.


FTFUSA!  USA!
 
2013-09-03 02:40:19 PM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Bombing Iraq will start WWIII!
Bombing Afghanistan will start WWIII!
Bombing Libya will start WWIII!
I swear I see that wolf right over there!

Eventually someone is gonna start bombing us back.

Who? Syria? You kiddin me? You think Russia's gonna try something?

I'd rather not find out. We already lost the twin towers and a good bit of the 4th and 5th amendments...what else has to go boom here at home before people realize action have consequences?



I'm sure this is going to sound naive, but, isn't what this is about?  The action of Syria using CWs, banned by international law, have consequences, such as strategic military strikes by those who are capable (United States) with the intention of preventing CW attacks again?

Don't read into this as I'm for with a missle strike in Syra.  I'm skeptical.  I'd much prefer to have the evidence made public which shows beyond a reasonable doubt that Syria's government was responsible, and that the UN, or some sort of coalition beyond the United States, will be leading the strike vs. the United States going alone.

Seems like a bad decision no matter what we do, but I view it as two basic questions; 1) Do I trust the govenment has enough evidence that the Syrian goverment used CWs against their own people?, and 2) Do I think that those who have the capability to deter the use of CWs again have the responsibility to use that capability?

I haven't made up my mind, and I don't envy anyone that has to and has an influence over the decision.
 
2013-09-03 02:40:33 PM  
This thread is dildos.

Actually, this whole argument is dildos. Specifically, it's dildos who dumbly cheered Bush into Iraq without thinking and now somehow seem to believe that they can make up for it by doing a complete 180 on Syria even though it's pretty much exactly what SHOULD have happened in Iraq if Iraq really had WMDs like... you know.... Syria does.

/ dildos everywhere
 
2013-09-03 02:40:43 PM  

LasersHurt: darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: I for one welcome our New World Order corporate banker overlords.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Full Retard has been engaged.

The USA funding Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood "protesters" is more retarded .

ooooooooookay

Maybe funding is not the right word to use. I should have used the words 'arming' and 'training'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-fir st -ciatrained-rebel-unit-about-to-join-fighting-against-assad-regime-say s-obama-8796873.html

So you believe that everyone is in Al Qaeda and the MB, or just that we are incapable of knowing who represents whom?

Or is it a third option where we trained SOME people, but AQ/MB are also in play in the country?


They are not all MB or Al Qaeda. They have had infighting in the past between themselves.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/27/syrian-rebels-also-f ig hting-al-qaeda-other-hard-li/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.
 
2013-09-03 02:42:27 PM  

jshine: bbfreak: Dear everyone comparing Syria to Iraq. You people are idiots. Also, this thread went downhill fast with the derp.

Yes, an unprovoked American attack on a Middle Eastern country predicated on WMDs: there's not a thread of similarity -- none at all.


machoprogrammer: bbfreak: Dear everyone comparing Syria to Iraq. You people are idiots. Also, this thread went downhill fast with the derp.

Yeah, helping out Al Qaeda linked rebels (by removing Saddam, thus giving them a place to go) was totally not what we did in Iraq.

I know, your team's guy is president now, so it is cool



jshine: bbfreak: Dear everyone comparing Syria to Iraq. You people are idiots. Also, this thread went downhill fast with the derp.

Yes, an unprovoked American attack on a Middle Eastern country predicated on WMDs: there's not a thread of similarity -- none at all.


Differences.

1: Syria actually has chemical weapons. Iraq not so much when we invaded them.

2: Syria's chemical weapons have NOTHING to do with Iraq's chemical weapons. Syria's chemical weapons were developed possibly with the help of Russia.

3: There isn't going to be any sort of ground war in Syria, it just isn't going to happen.

4: There is actual evidence that Syria's government used chemical weapons. The recently released French report is pretty interesting. Instead of the very weak/shoddy evidence constructed before the Iraq invasion.

Assad's sarin stockpiles, which the United States says were used in the Aug. 21 attack, reveal a "technological mastery" of chemical weapons, according to the French. The sarin is stored in binary form -- the two chemical precursors necessary to make the gas are kept separate and are only mixed immediately before use. This technological sophistication may be a key point when U.N. investigators release their report on the Damascus attack: If they find that the toxic agent used in the attack was an advanced form of sarin -- containing chemical stabilizers and dispersal agents -- the weapon will most likely have come from Syrian regime stockpiles.

French assessment rebuts claims that the Aug. 21 attack could have been the work of a rogue officer. France traces Syria's chemical weapons program to "Branch 450" of the innocuously named Center of Scientific Studies and Research, which Israel bombed in May. Only Assad and top members of his regime, the report says, have authority to order the branch to employ its deadly weapons. Nor does the report give credence to the idea of a rogue element within Branch 450 itself: The unit, it says, is "composed solely of Alawite military personnel ... [and] distinguished by a high level of loyalty to the regime."


5: The Arab League even wants something done about it. Granted, they want UN intervention but that isn't going to happen as long as Russia & China have national interests in Syria.

Now, I'm not saying we should strike Syria. I am highly skeptical of the use of military force in this situation but I do think in essence saying that Iraq & Syria are the same situations is disingenuous.
 
2013-09-03 02:42:30 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Go USA
 
2013-09-03 02:42:40 PM  

paygun: justtray: The best part of this action against Syria is the morons comparing it to Iraq, who supported Iraq, defended Bush, insisted there WMDs in Iraq, thought it was a good idea to invade Afghanistan from a President with nothing but false pretenses and failure to actually kill the terrorist leader. These same people who would be calling Obama a pussy if he chose to do nothing, who has bipartisan support and will take action in the appropriate way, with minimal bodies on the ground, who was able to kill the leader of the 9/11 terrorist plot.

Keep calling it WWIII and keep trying to cover for one of the worst presidents in American history with false equivilence. I expect no less than abjuct hypocrisy, deflection, and projection from you all.

Let them say what they want.  Obama is gonna look awesome in that flight suit.


Chimpy McFlightsuit II Electric Boobaloo.
 
2013-09-03 02:42:51 PM  

darth_badger: And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.


To be clear, you think we are specifically and knowingly arming AQ and the MB?
 
2013-09-03 02:43:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 820x615]
Go USA


Kenny Powers!
 
2013-09-03 02:43:55 PM  
img.photobucket.com

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-03 02:44:21 PM  
Lest anyone call those House Republicans "Obstructionist"
 
2013-09-03 02:44:59 PM  

Linux_Yes: yea, after the smokescreen of 'yea we know for a fact sadam has WMD's'


We did know for a fact that he had them. We gave them to him. We're still talking about CW right? I get confused as to which wars they are considered WMDs for or not.
 
2013-09-03 02:45:10 PM  
The check from Raytheon must have cleared.
 
2013-09-03 02:45:57 PM  

Pimparoo: Shouldn't the people napalming schools full of kids get at least a little bit of the blame for "starting World War III"?


No, napalm and conventional warfare in general is OK. Kill as many of your own people as you like, just don't use chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-03 02:46:23 PM  

skozlaw: This thread is dildos.

Actually, this whole argument is dildos. Specifically, it's dildos who dumbly cheered Bush into Iraq without thinking and now somehow seem to believe that they can make up for it by doing a complete 180 on Syria even though it's pretty much exactly what SHOULD have happened in Iraq if Iraq really had WMDs like... you know.... Syria does.

/ dildos everywhere


Do you have any idea what bombing Syria is going to do? The rebels are linked to al Qaeda and are just as bad, if not worse than, Assad.

Not to mention the collateral damage. "Dont kill civilians with chemical weapons or we will kill them with a bomb!"

But I get it, Obama is on your team. So go ahead and be partisan
 
2013-09-03 02:47:16 PM  
Obama has one message to the Axis of Evil.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-03 02:47:40 PM  
Tip for the anti-war side: make the effort to show at least a modicum of sympathy towards the innocent people being gassed and burned to death. When you ignore that and only respond with bumper sticker slogans, you come off as offensive as gun nuts that don't care about innocent shooting victims.
 
2013-09-03 02:47:46 PM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Bombing Iraq will start WWIII!
Bombing Afghanistan will start WWIII!
Bombing Libya will start WWIII!
I swear I see that wolf right over there!

Eventually someone is gonna start bombing us back.


The only countries on earth that COULD bomb us back are the UK and China and neither of them has any reason to be that stupid.  Russia couldn't field a serious trans-pacific bombing run in this day and age, and everyone knows it.  Besides, their antiquated planes would never make it past the coast, and they damn well know it.

Or do you mean some sort of pseudo military action like terrorism?  Because that's a different story, one with mostly the same results.  There has been 1 foreign terrorist event in the united states in living memory.  1, and I think we established that the cost of doing business was rather high, that won't stop the next one, but it does put the bar pretty high for operational security and counter-espionage.  Which rules out most of the likely players.

Again, claiming this could start WWIII is at best alarmist, and generally just stupid.  It shows a lack of geopolitical issues, and a misunderstanding of what "world war" actually means.  There will never be another world war.  Or at least, there will never be a recorded history of another world war, because there won't be enough people left if it actually happens.  Everybody has nukes now, and once the first few fly, that's the end right there.
 
2013-09-03 02:47:57 PM  

LasersHurt: darth_badger: And the CIA knows who they are working with. That's what makes it evil.

To be clear, you think we are specifically and knowingly arming AQ and the MB?


Yes.
 
2013-09-03 02:48:12 PM  

vygramul: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"


Yes, I did.  I meant "repercussions."  I am also easily distracted.
 
2013-09-03 02:49:10 PM  

Headso: vygramul: BravadoGT: you seem certain we will be able to just bomb them and walk away without any recourse.  That's cute!

History doesn't suggest otherwise.

/I imagine you meant something other than "recourse"

[whitenoiseinsanity.com image 750x499]


I'm not seeing rebel leaders being invited to the Obama White House.
 
2013-09-03 02:49:19 PM  

Joe Blowme: Stupid is as stupid does.
If a nazi and Klansmen were in a fight to the death, you dont take sides... you wait for one to kill the other then take out the one thats left. TOTAL stupidity on both sides is nothing new.


But, but we are tired of waiting......

//Cool analogy by the way :)
 
2013-09-03 02:49:35 PM  

umad: Linux_Yes: yea, after the smokescreen of 'yea we know for a fact sadam has WMD's'

We did know for a fact that he had them. We gave them to him. We're still talking about CW right? I get confused as to which wars they are considered WMDs for or not.


1988 Iraq may be slightly different than 2003 Iraq.

Hmmmm, i wonder why the U.S. would tolerate the use of CW in 1988?
 
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