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2013-09-03 02:07:37 PM  
Nope, can't have it both ways Libs. This will be Obammy's war, plain and simple.
 
2013-09-03 02:07:38 PM  

jshine: LasersHurt: jshine: bbfreak: Dear everyone comparing Syria to Iraq. You people are idiots. Also, this thread went downhill fast with the derp.

Yes, an unprovoked American attack on a Middle Eastern country predicated on WMDs: there's not a thread of similarity -- none at all.

There isn't, when you stop ignoring all of the crucial details. But you knew that.

Similarity and equality are different concepts.  Of course if one looks closely enough at details, there will be differences.  Iraq is not Syria (they're spelled differently and have different borders), but that doesn't mean that the two situations share nothing in common.

In both cases, there's likely to be sectarian nastiness after we depose the dictator -- who, in both cases, is from a minority in the country in question (Alawite/Syria or Sunni/Iraq -- take your pick).  ...so we'll end up trading one murderous bastard for thousands of murderous bastards who'll go on yet another rampage of sectarian violence & ethnic cleansing.


Nobody'd deposing anything.
 
2013-09-03 02:07:50 PM  

Weaver95: I just can't see any way where bombing Syria works out well for anyone.



for one thing, it'll help create some more Terrorists.  hey, maybe that is why Syria did it. they knew we'd get our bombing on and they would use it to help recruit young dumb full of cum men for Terrorist training. its a win win!!
 
2013-09-03 02:09:21 PM  

Linux_Yes: at least Obama is doing it the right way.  getting the CONgress to own up and do its job and make some decisions/ take some responsibility and follow the Constitution.  if uncle george was in there, he'd be busting missile caps on Syrian ass.  he wouldn't worry about any Constitution. why should he, he's from Texass.


Congress authorized the war in Iraq.  After he asked.  In fact, every member of Congress that gave him that power abdicated their duty under the Constitution.  But, you know, making up facts is fun.
 
2013-09-03 02:09:23 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Assad gassed his OWN PEOPLE!  He is a friend of Iran, our nation's sworn enemy.  He is an Islamofascist coming to Islamofascisize us.

I stand with our COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF in the face of tyranny, while you coddle these criminals.

I'll pray for you.


This is fun and all but seriously I do hope Obama kills lots of brown people.  Hope and change.
 
2013-09-03 02:09:35 PM  

give me doughnuts: I_C_Weener: vygramul: BravadoGT: cman: uber humper: In the last 100 years:

Republican President Wars:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo
Grenada
Panama

Democrat President Wars:
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Yugoslavia


FTFY

"Grenada?"  I've seen fights at football games that were longer and more bloody...

Odd - more American soldiers died in Grenada than in Yugoslavia. Yet you're not being defensive about Yugoslavia for some reason.

Yugoslavia gave us a great Gene Hackman/Owen Wilson teamup movie.

No love for Grenada?

I know Mario van Peebles is no Owen Wilson, but it did have Clint Eastwood.


Good point.
 
2013-09-03 02:10:22 PM  

Rapmaster2000: paygun: Rapmaster2000: paygun: I'm sure the anti-war protests will start any minute now, right?

http://ktla.com/2013/08/31/anti-war-demostrators-protest-u-s-militar y- action-in-syria/

Yeah, some homolibs protested yesterday.  What a bunch of pussies.  I STAND bravely with our Commander-in-Chief in the face of terror.

At least a hundred, holy shiat.  Let's hope they can persuade the president not to kill brown people.

A bunch of Assad-lovers if you ask me.

The important point is, if you don't support the war, then you don't support the troops.  You are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  The troops need our support.  You need to support the troops.

You're not an Assad-lover, are you?


Broken record. You sound like one.

I support our troops... coming home.
 
2013-09-03 02:10:43 PM  

BravadoGT: vygramul: BravadoGT: cman: uber humper: In the last 100 years:

Republican President Wars:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo
Grenada
Panama

Democrat President Wars:
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Yugoslavia


FTFY

"Grenada?"  I've seen fights at football games that were longer and more bloody...

Odd - more American soldiers died in Grenada than in Yugoslavia. Yet you're not being defensive about Yugoslavia for some reason.

We largely bombed Yugoslavia from the air.  LOTS of bodies in that one--just not Americans.


We're largely just going to bomb Syria from the air.
 
2013-09-03 02:10:59 PM  

freak7: I_C_Weener: Bombing for peace is like posting on Fark looking for....oh.

Nobody said we're bombing for peace. We'd be bombing to send a very clear message that if you violate international law by using chemical weapons, you're gonna have a bad day. As for the civil war or whatever is going on in Syria, many of the rebel groups are as bad, if not worse, than Assad. I have no interest in supporting the rebels. This is a one and done deal as far as I'm concerned.


Just a footnote to your post. According the UN CW Resolution, which Syria signed*, it's illegal to use them against other countries, not illegal to use them internally.
/* Syria reserved the right to gas Israel, but signed onto the rest.
 
2013-09-03 02:11:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Weird, democrats screaming for war and republicans screaming for peace.
How about instead of killing Syrians we kill politicians instead?



if Mittens Rmoney had won last year, GOP would be screaming for war.   the GOP is afraid that Obama might do it right (which he will) and make bushie boy look stupid. AND this would increase Obama's popularity so that HILLARY can ride into the White House on Obama's coattail.

the thougth of that scares the living shiat out of GOP butts!!
 
2013-09-03 02:11:15 PM  
Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?
 
2013-09-03 02:11:21 PM  
Chemical and biological weapons are in a special class for a reason. They are not decisive militarily. Troops tend to be hardened targets. Civilians are far more at risk. Plus, containment is difficult to impossible. Civilians far away and in the future may be in danger long after and far from the battlefield. Bombs and bullets only kill once, and while mistakes can be made, the risk is mostly over once the trigger is pulled.

If one uses these types of weapons, the international community needs to respond in a way that lets the aggressor know in no uncertain terms that there will be a price. Hopefully that price makes it not worth using those weapons in the first place.

It's not about sides, it's about discouraging anyone from ever using these weapons.
 
2013-09-03 02:11:35 PM  

paygun: Rapmaster2000: Assad gassed his OWN PEOPLE!  He is a friend of Iran, our nation's sworn enemy.  He is an Islamofascist coming to Islamofascisize us.

I stand with our COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF in the face of tyranny, while you coddle these criminals.

I'll pray for you.

This is fun and all but seriously I do hope Obama kills lots of brown people.  Hope and change.


I legitimately think that we'll consider them white people in 40 years.  The Persians will be first.  Then the Arabs.  The Turks are already there.
 
2013-09-03 02:12:16 PM  
This is pretty sad.  We may be sticking our foot in it, completely based on politics.  I think Obama made his "red line" ultimatum so he could be accused by the GOP as being weak, but fully intending to leave the responsibility in the GOP congresses lap. The Republicans could say No we're not going to strike, thus leaving all the responsibility of the consequences on themselves, or they could say Yes, go ahead Mr President, thus sharing the responsibility with Obama.

Looks like Boner just wants to share the blame, rather than making the right decision, or the decision his constituents want.
 
2013-09-03 02:12:16 PM  
We were warned...
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-03 02:12:33 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Rapmaster2000: paygun: Rapmaster2000: paygun: I'm sure the anti-war protests will start any minute now, right?

http://ktla.com/2013/08/31/anti-war-demostrators-protest-u-s-militar y- action-in-syria/

Yeah, some homolibs protested yesterday.  What a bunch of pussies.  I STAND bravely with our Commander-in-Chief in the face of terror.

At least a hundred, holy shiat.  Let's hope they can persuade the president not to kill brown people.

A bunch of Assad-lovers if you ask me.

The important point is, if you don't support the war, then you don't support the troops.  You are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  The troops need our support.  You need to support the troops.

You're not an Assad-lover, are you?

Broken record. You sound like one.

I support our troops... coming home.


So, you don't think our soldiers out there facing who knows what, risking their lives, and bringing freedom to the world don't deserve to come in some Third World hooker?  Well, sir, I don't think I've seen a worse example of an American.
 
2013-09-03 02:13:08 PM  
couldn't be accused*
 
2013-09-03 02:13:24 PM  

Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?



I'm still waiting to hear what Cindy Sheehan has to say.

And Touré.  And Joy Behar.

Then the circle of morality will be complete, and we can receive our opinions accordingly.
 
2013-09-03 02:13:37 PM  
uber humper: In the last 100 years:

Republican President Wars:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo
Grenada
Panama

Democrat President Wars:
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Yugoslavia

cman: FTFY


"When I was a young man, they told me if I voted for Goldwater, I'd get sent to Vietnam. I voted for Goldwater and sure enough, I got sent to Vietnam."
 
2013-09-03 02:14:09 PM  
Once Obama utters the "I don't do what's popular, I do what's right" statement his transformation will be complete.
 
2013-09-03 02:14:31 PM  

LasersHurt: LeroyBourne: TheNewJesus:

And here I voted for this guy thinking he wouldn't pull this kind of crap...

I about spit when I heard my mother (her being a huge lib) call him bush jr.  It's kinda sad when you see so many people 'lose their faith.'
/i'm not there yet, but am getting there.

I lose faith every time I see someone who cannot distinguish the difference between Obama and Bush. Jesus, the amount of lack of perspective necessary.


Well, it's just her opinion.  Not that I share it completely.  If Obama goes in this with out knowing who pulled the cw trigger, yeah, that's going into war over a lie.  Kinda bushy of him.  I'm still holding back until we find out the truth of who we're dealing with.
 
2013-09-03 02:14:48 PM  

Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?


I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.
 
2013-09-03 02:14:57 PM  

StopLurkListen: If one uses these types of weapons, the international community needs to respond in a way that lets the aggressor know in no uncertain terms that there will be a price. Hopefully that price makes it not worth using those weapons in the first place.


The "international community" already has made it clear they don't care, so why is it up to America to get involved unilaterally.
 
2013-09-03 02:16:06 PM  
And here we go, yet again.

www.zahal.org
 
2013-09-03 02:16:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: Linux_Yes: at least Obama is doing it the right way.  getting the CONgress to own up and do its job and make some decisions/ take some responsibility and follow the Constitution.  if uncle george was in there, he'd be busting missile caps on Syrian ass.  he wouldn't worry about any Constitution. why should he, he's from Texass.

Congress authorized the war in Iraq.  After he asked.  In fact, every member of Congress that gave him that power abdicated their duty under the Constitution.  But, you know, making up facts is fun.



yea, after the smokescreen of 'yea we know for a fact sadam has WMD's'    that turned out to be GOP Propaganda to get ole' George and the CONgress to pull the trigger.

nice try, though.
 
2013-09-03 02:16:18 PM  

The Southern Dandy: This is pretty sad.  We may be sticking our foot in it, completely based on politics.  I think Obama made his "red line" ultimatum so he could be accused by the GOP as being weak, but fully intending to leave the responsibility in the GOP congresses lap. The Republicans could say No we're not going to strike, thus leaving all the responsibility of the consequences on themselves, or they could say Yes, go ahead Mr President, thus sharing the responsibility with Obama.

Looks like Boner just wants to share the blame, rather than making the right decision, or the decision his constituents want.


Cause that worked so well for Bush in Iraq......
 
2013-09-03 02:16:25 PM  

LasersHurt: jshine: LasersHurt: jshine: bbfreak: Dear everyone comparing Syria to Iraq. You people are idiots. Also, this thread went downhill fast with the derp.

Yes, an unprovoked American attack on a Middle Eastern country predicated on WMDs: there's not a thread of similarity -- none at all.

There isn't, when you stop ignoring all of the crucial details. But you knew that.

Similarity and equality are different concepts.  Of course if one looks closely enough at details, there will be differences.  Iraq is not Syria (they're spelled differently and have different borders), but that doesn't mean that the two situations share nothing in common.

In both cases, there's likely to be sectarian nastiness after we depose the dictator -- who, in both cases, is from a minority in the country in question (Alawite/Syria or Sunni/Iraq -- take your pick).  ...so we'll end up trading one murderous bastard for thousands of murderous bastards who'll go on yet another rampage of sectarian violence & ethnic cleansing.

Nobody'd deposing anything.


Oh, not now, no -- that's step 3 or 4.  There's no reason to suppose Assad would take the hint if we lobbed in a few missiles; he certainly hasn't been paying much attention to the West up until this point.  ...and to simply throw a few missiles at some chemical sites and then stop while he continued to kill civilians (with or without gas) would make the US look even more impotent.  So we'd be left in an even worse position, with even more justification for escalating the conflict & trying to kill him or at least depose him.  Maybe deposing him isn't on the table at the moment, but we're setting up a situation that has a very high likelihood of leading in that direction.

The only other conceivable end-point would be Assad deciding to end his side of the civil war, and the rebels letting that happen (without forcing him into a corner).  That doesn't seem too likely.
 
2013-09-03 02:16:27 PM  

JDAT: Once Obama utters the "I don't do what's popular, I do what's right" statement his transformation will be complete.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
"I'm the decider."
 
2013-09-03 02:16:31 PM  

Weaver95: I just can't see any way where bombing Syria works out well for anyone.


Pretty damn much. Rebels, government forces, it's going to be an opening for every stripe of opportunist here and abroad for a feeding frenzy of looting, revenge, and outright raiding of equipment and cash. It's going to stir up a huge amount of chaos, and with only air strikes, it will force folks to do their killing up close and personal, and far from an exchange of power from one government to another. It's just going to make things a lot more personal, ugly, and cement these grudges for another century.
 
2013-09-03 02:17:24 PM  
Shouldn't the people napalming schools full of kids get at least a little bit of the blame for "starting World War III"?
 
2013-09-03 02:17:25 PM  

LasersHurt: darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: I for one welcome our New World Order corporate banker overlords.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Full Retard has been engaged.

The USA funding Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood "protesters" is more retarded .

ooooooooookay


Maybe funding is not the right word to use. I should have used the words 'arming' and 'training'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-fir st -ciatrained-rebel-unit-about-to-join-fighting-against-assad-regime-say s-obama-8796873.html
 
2013-09-03 02:17:26 PM  

Headso: StopLurkListen: If one uses these types of weapons, the international community needs to respond in a way that lets the aggressor know in no uncertain terms that there will be a price. Hopefully that price makes it not worth using those weapons in the first place.

The "international community" already has made it clear they don't care, so why is it up to America to get involved unilaterally.


to repeat:  the international community needs to respond.
 
2013-09-03 02:17:34 PM  

Linux_Yes: I_C_Weener: Linux_Yes: at least Obama is doing it the right way.  getting the CONgress to own up and do its job and make some decisions/ take some responsibility and follow the Constitution.  if uncle george was in there, he'd be busting missile caps on Syrian ass.  he wouldn't worry about any Constitution. why should he, he's from Texass.

Congress authorized the war in Iraq.  After he asked.  In fact, every member of Congress that gave him that power abdicated their duty under the Constitution.  But, you know, making up facts is fun.


yea, after the smokescreen of 'yea we know for a fact sadam has WMD's'    that turned out to be GOP Propaganda to get ole' George and the CONgress to pull the trigger.

nice try, though.


So, the point that Bush didn't ask for Congressional authority is wrong?  No.  Thank you sir.  You made my point better than I could.  Bully for you.
 
2013-09-03 02:17:57 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I legitimately think that we'll consider them white people in 40 years.


For the purpose of bombing?  I don't know about that.  And besides, who knows who will be president in 40 years and which party they'll be from.  That's what decides whether things are good or bad.
 
2013-09-03 02:18:02 PM  
What Boehner really said was "It's not like House Republicans listen to me anymore - if you can get them to do anything, knock yourself out."
 
2013-09-03 02:18:19 PM  

I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.


people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.
 
2013-09-03 02:19:13 PM  

Phinn: I'm still waiting to hear what Cindy Sheehan has to say.


Where is your god now
 
2013-09-03 02:19:15 PM  

Apik0r0s: And here we go, yet again.

[www.zahal.org image 295x255]



lol


whatever we do, we MUST keep our Israeli friends happy!  its the right thing to do.  (;
 
2013-09-03 02:19:26 PM  
Barbecue Bob:

Broken record. You sound like one.

I support our troops... coming home.


We had people like you back when I was in Nam, always holding us back from finishing the job.  And I did what I had to do to win!  But somebody wouldn't let us win!  And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting.  Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me?  Who are they?  Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
 
2013-09-03 02:19:49 PM  

muck1969: Perhaps I'm politically naive but it seems out of character for Obama to push this issue, and I'm entertaining the possibility that it is a political ploy.  By giving the Republicans that impression that Syria is important they will be satisfied with him caving, instead of having to cave on a different subject such as appointments, ACA, budget, or immigration.  Something along the thought "Hey look guys, I gave you what you wanted on Syria, you can't say I'm not compromising.  Take this 'win' and move on."

I know politics is nothing like chess, and for some politicians "advanced strategy" is "put underwear on first".  But it cannot be too far fetched that someone in DC could have built this up and put it in play.


You are definitely naive. This is the same Obama that has the NSA spying on US citizens "to stop terrorism", then allows that data to be used in drug busts and copyright infringement. The difference between Bush and Obama is rhetoric and gay marriage. That's about it
 
2013-09-03 02:20:43 PM  

paygun: Rapmaster2000: I legitimately think that we'll consider them white people in 40 years.

For the purpose of bombing?  I don't know about that.  And besides, who knows who will be president in 40 years and which party they'll be from.  That's what decides whether things are good or bad.


I never thought we'd call the swarthy Huns white either, but here we are.
 
2013-09-03 02:21:07 PM  

Pimparoo: Shouldn't the people napalming schools full of kids get at least a little bit of the blame for "starting World War III"?


Look, its only WWIII if enough people get involved.  In this war weary world, I just don't think we can get that kind of participation.  People just don't love to kill on a massive scale like they used to.  The Greatest Generation had the last great war.  And they are all but dead now.  Its sad really how this current crop of people can't even get fired up about a chance to blow things wide open and redraw borders for the next century.  Bunch of lazy asses is what happened.  Lazy asses as far as the globe can reach.
 
2013-09-03 02:21:15 PM  

Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.


This
 
2013-09-03 02:21:31 PM  

ManateeGag: BravadoGT: nekom: Does he have the votes?  It would make him look pretty stupid if he said that and didn't.  Not that he hasn't made an ass of himself before

He'll get them.  Or not.  It doesn't matter--at this point, it's more about Obama's ego now, so it's going to happen.

I guess Obama's back to being an egomaniacle mastermind determined to destroy the planet.

When's he go back to being a stuffed suit puppet?


As soon as the first casualty lists come in.
 
2013-09-03 02:21:35 PM  

Cyberluddite: Sliding Carp: mediablitz: We've found the ONE THING Republicans will agree with Obama on. Killing...

Oh, they'll be against it as soon as the pictures of dead kids in rubble show up.

Depends on whether the kids are brown or not.  If not, it'll be a "horrible tragedy."  If so, it'll be "collateral damage" that, while regrettable, is a necessary component of bringing freedom to the ignorant savages.


Very ignorant statement. We stayed out of WWI and WWII ignoring the slaughter of millions of white folks. Yes, British, French, Dutch, you know the "good" white people so shut up!
 
2013-09-03 02:22:20 PM  
Would be nice to have a president who doesn't suck Israel's dick for once.
 
2013-09-03 02:22:35 PM  

LasersHurt: keepitcherry: Take off the partisan blinders - how is Obama any different than Bush was? How can people STILL support this guy?

Are you high, or 14?


I'm very high off some award winning Fire OG shatter glass, thanks for asking.
 
2013-09-03 02:22:35 PM  

Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.


I got a pretty little Red White and Blue number.  We white out Iraq and put Syria right over it, no one will even know its used.  Any takers?
 
2013-09-03 02:23:34 PM  

darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: LasersHurt: darth_badger: I for one welcome our New World Order corporate banker overlords.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Full Retard has been engaged.

The USA funding Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood "protesters" is more retarded .

ooooooooookay

Maybe funding is not the right word to use. I should have used the words 'arming' and 'training'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-fir st -ciatrained-rebel-unit-about-to-join-fighting-against-assad-regime-say s-obama-8796873.html


So you believe that everyone is in Al Qaeda and the MB, or just that we are incapable of knowing who represents whom?

Or is it a third option where we trained SOME people, but AQ/MB are also in play in the country?
 
2013-09-03 02:23:59 PM  

Headso: I_C_Weener: Frozboz: Ok so what do we ordinary Americans need to do for this war?  Can I use my old yellow magnetic "support the troops" ribbon on the back of my SUV, or should I buy a new one?  What's the protocol here?

I was all for trading anti-war and pro-war signs with the libs of Fark, but no one took me seriously.  I've got lots of signs.  Only used twice.

people for this are not "libs" they are Obama apologists.


Fark is the mecca of Obama apologists.
 
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