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2013-09-03 10:54:07 AM
Just esoteric enough, just nerdy enough, nicely done Subby!
 
2013-09-03 10:59:33 AM
my UV filtering windows do the same thing to my neighbors siding

www1.whdh.com
 
2013-09-03 12:23:43 PM
I can't decide if this is the best building design or the worst. XD
 
2013-09-03 01:12:15 PM

bongmiester: my UV filtering windows do the same thing to my neighbors siding

[www1.whdh.com image 600x338]


I bet they love you.
 
2013-09-03 01:25:00 PM
 but known by many Londoners as the "Walkie Talkie" for its distinctive shape.

www.skyscrapernews.com
This is supposed to look like a walkie-talkie? I think this skyscraper in Santiago is way more walkie-talkie-esque:
www.celebratebig.com

/also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.
 
2013-09-03 01:28:02 PM
Nice headline.  Nice.
 
2013-09-03 01:29:49 PM
The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.
 
2013-09-03 01:30:21 PM
You mean the kings of junk science might have got something wrong? Say it aint so...
 
2013-09-03 01:30:48 PM

Paris1127: /also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.


With enough mirrors in the right configuration, you could do it.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-03 01:30:49 PM
Nice angle, subby.
no too euclidean, either.
 
2013-09-03 01:31:48 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Heathen
 
2013-09-03 01:32:38 PM
Sounds like the car owner got screwed....
 
2013-09-03 01:32:47 PM
"I am in construction and sometimes things go wrong which nobody would have envisaged, and this is one of them."

I am more concerned about a talking building
 
2013-09-03 01:33:52 PM
Great headline. Not sure about this whole 'REPEAT' thing, though.

Paris1127: This is supposed to look like a walkie-talkie?


Ever since 30 St. Mary Axe, which was rapidly gaining the moniker 'the dildo' until a bit of nimble PR coined 'the gherkin', new buildings in London seem to acquire vaguely descriptive, innocuous, nicknames before they're even out of the ground.

It's also a little stumpier than that rendering, in order (notionally) to reduce the visual impact on the nearby St. Paul's Cathedral.
 
2013-09-03 01:34:20 PM
Never go in against a Sicilian when a death-ray is on the line?
 
2013-09-03 01:35:22 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.



Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.
 
2013-09-03 01:35:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


yes, yes you must be some kind of super genius because you can point out that the experiments in a show primarily about blowing stuff up are not always rigorously performed. Besides that, they do a pretty good job given the limitations of the medium: production time, budget and air time.
 
2013-09-03 01:35:44 PM
That's what happens when you let Ford take over Jaguar... or something.  Now can they please aim that thing at all of Justin Bieber's vehicles?  Especially the leopard print one.

/shrug
 
2013-09-03 01:36:34 PM

Paris1127: /also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.


Did they ever do it with people in the boat?  Seems like you don't really need to catch the boat on fire, you just need to make the people on board feel like you can.
 
2013-09-03 01:36:46 PM

dittybopper: Paris1127: /also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.

With enough mirrors in the right configuration, you could do it.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


Didn't I liberate this building for the NCR after the Brotherhood of Steel had been holding it?
 
2013-09-03 01:36:52 PM

Dick Gozinya: You mean the kings of junk science might have got something wrong? Say it aint so...


I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.
 
2013-09-03 01:37:06 PM

joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.


Bingo
 
2013-09-03 01:38:30 PM

FarkinNortherner: Dick Gozinya: You mean the kings of junk science might have got something wrong? Say it aint so...

I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.


They're third rate special fx nerds who fancy themselves genius scientists/inventors.
 
2013-09-03 01:39:02 PM

joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.


For both of you:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-09-03 01:39:02 PM
Paris1127:

/also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.

Mythbusters is prepared lines and pandering to the lowest denominator.

They haven't ever busted shiat, even when trying to look past all their bullshiat, the holes in scientific methods is obvious. If your understanding of authorities of science relies on them, you'd be a moron, which is probably also why their show is doing so well, alongside "Here comes Honey Booboo".
 
2013-09-03 01:39:48 PM

joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.


It's more: "Two minutes of either Googling or doing some simple math would tell us this was pointless, but we'll do it anyway because it involves blowing something up."
 
2013-09-03 01:39:50 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
They're third rate special fx nerds who fancy themselves genius scientists/inventors.

I haven't seen the show in a while but I don't remember them ever saying or implying that.
 
2013-09-03 01:40:01 PM
Mythbusters only needed to prove that an army of soldiers with reflective shields could burn a ship.. which is the myth is busted as it's near impossible to do even with a ton of people.

Also It takes much less heat to melt plastic then it does setting wood on fire.
 
2013-09-03 01:40:03 PM
"I am in construction and sometimes things go wrong which nobody would have envisaged, and this is one of them."

I'm sorry, but when another one of the same architect's buildings had the same problem (but with people, not cars), yes, someone certainly could have envisaged it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315978/Las-Vegas-hotel-deat h- ray-leaves-guests-severe-burns.html
 
2013-09-03 01:40:57 PM
Reminds me of a buddy in Florida.  He had some scratches in the T-top inserts (glass?  Roof?  whatev) on his car and the sun hit it jusssst right and his passenger visor started to smoulder.
 
2013-09-03 01:41:20 PM
Pretty sure the Mythbusters effort attempted to weaponize it in a mobile fashion.  It's not like this is a sudden revelation of the heretofore unknown concept of solar convergence.
 
2013-09-03 01:41:36 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's more: "Two minutes of either Googling or doing some simple math would tell us this was pointless, but we'll do it anyway because it involves blowing something up."


And this is somehow a bad thing? Blowing shiat up is worth it for its own sake.
 
2013-09-03 01:42:28 PM

China White Tea: Pretty sure the Mythbusters effort attempted to weaponize it in a mobile fashion.  It's not like this is a sudden revelation of the heretofore unknown concept of solar convergence.


This. I've seen a solar collector in a fixed position turn steel into a liquid in seconds. It can be done. But not quite so simply if you've got a bunch of dudes holding a bunch  of mirrors.
 
2013-09-03 01:42:42 PM

Voiceofreason01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.

yes, yes you must be some kind of super genius because you can point out that the experiments in a show primarily about blowing stuff up are not always rigorously performed. Besides that, they do a pretty good job given the limitations of the medium: production time, budget and air time.


Plus the insurance.  It seems like they call out the insurance guys all the time.  "We were going to blow up the Oakland Coliseum, but our insurance underwriter wouldn't go for it."
 
2013-09-03 01:42:53 PM

joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.


As opposed to yourself, who has a long standing and tarnish free record of proving or disproving myths.  I am sure its all be documented, and peer reviewed, so, pony up, big mouth.
 
2013-09-03 01:43:55 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: FarkinNortherner: Dick Gozinya: You mean the kings of junk science might have got something wrong? Say it aint so...

I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.

They're third rate special fx nerds who fancy themselves genius scientists/inventors.


Jealousy is a stinky cologne, my friend.
 
2013-09-03 01:44:27 PM
"Wait, what?"

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-03 01:44:53 PM

Trashy: Mythbusters only needed to prove that an army of soldiers with reflective shields could burn a ship.. which is the myth is busted as it's near impossible to do even with a ton of people.

Also It takes much less heat to melt plastic then it does setting wood on fire.


Which was in no way representative of Archimedes Death Ray.

spawn73: Mythbusters is prepared lines and pandering to the lowest denominator.


Yep. It was fun in the beginning but got old fast.
 
2013-09-03 01:45:02 PM
The address is 20 Fenchurch Street? What's at 42?

Lots of Mythbusters hate and not enough Kari Byron pictures.
 
2013-09-03 01:45:22 PM
SERIOUSLY?  SERIOUSLY?  W. T. F. ???

This far in and no Kari Byron?  All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

xbradtc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-03 01:45:43 PM

Kit Fister: joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.

For both of you:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 599x524]


Feynman was in fact very aware of the importance of rigour, as you can see if you read his comments on psychologists' rat-running experiments. Bad experiments are worse than useless because they make you think you've discovered something when in fact you haven't. "Bookkeeping" indeed...
 
2013-09-03 01:46:04 PM
Melted plastic is not quite the same as boat catching on fire. In any case everybody knows what a parabolic mirror can do, the Archimedes myth is about soldiers holding their shields to reflect the sun on a boat to burn it which is quite impossible as people cannot stay immobile enough to do such a thing. And no shield reflects the sun as well as a mirror.
 
2013-09-03 01:46:20 PM

Voiceofreason01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
They're third rate special fx nerds who fancy themselves genius scientists/inventors.

I haven't seen the show in a while but I don't remember them ever saying or implying that.


So I guess you could say that myth... has been busted?
 
2013-09-03 01:47:28 PM

Kit Fister: China White Tea: Pretty sure the Mythbusters effort attempted to weaponize it in a mobile fashion.  It's not like this is a sudden revelation of the heretofore unknown concept of solar convergence.

This. I've seen a solar collector in a fixed position turn steel into a liquid in seconds. It can be done. But not quite so simply if you've got a bunch of dudes holding a bunch  of mirrors.


Especially if the best mirror technology you have is hammered bronze sheets polished to be shiny.
 
2013-09-03 01:47:52 PM

FarkinNortherner: I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.


They consistently do bad science.  I find the show entertaining, but their methods are abysmal.  Also, they sometimes confuse their ineptitude as scientists with busting a myth.  Then there's that whole argument people have that they aren't actually exploring myths so much as examining/recreating scenes from movies.
 
2013-09-03 01:48:02 PM

Rising Ape: Kit Fister: joeshill: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


Mythbusters, whose motto is: We couldn't figure out how to do it, therefore it cannot be done.

For both of you:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 599x524]

Feynman was in fact very aware of the importance of rigour, as you can see if you read his comments on psychologists' rat-running experiments. Bad experiments are worse than useless because they make you think you've discovered something when in fact you haven't. "Bookkeeping" indeed...


Okay, and if you expect a one-hour TV show to cover rigorous scientific testing of myths, you're an elitist prick.
 
2013-09-03 01:48:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Mythbusters never "bust" anything but their own ineptitude.


I sure you have something she could bust

i.ebayimg.com
 
2013-09-03 01:48:44 PM

tripleseven: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: FarkinNortherner: Dick Gozinya: You mean the kings of junk science might have got something wrong? Say it aint so...

I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.

They're third rate special fx nerds who fancy themselves genius scientists/inventors.

Jealousy is a stinky cologne, my friend.


So is Drakkar Noir
 
2013-09-03 01:48:53 PM

Bag-o-Nugs: FarkinNortherner: I honestly don't get the Mythbusters hate. Yes, they sometimes screw up but an army of nerds calls them on every failing and the revisits are not infrequent.

They consistently do bad science.  I find the show entertaining, but their methods are abysmal.  Also, they sometimes confuse their ineptitude as scientists with busting a myth.  Then there's that whole argument people have that they aren't actually exploring myths so much as examining/recreating scenes from movies.


Is it interesting? Does it get people to think a little bit? Does it expose reality to people? Yes? then STFU.
 
2013-09-03 01:48:53 PM
Paris1127:  /also: Archimedes sought to burn a fleet of Roman ships using the Sun. The skyscraper melted plastic in a stationary vehicle. Point: Mythbusters. Seriously, they've tested this myth like 3 times now... Even Obama couldn't get them to do it.

If you could not see faults with what they did, then you were not paying attention.
It is an amusing show to watch, but the number of times I have watched it and seen an obvious mistake is not funny.

The biggest problem with their death ray tests is the people they had aiming the mirrors, Archamedes would have had people with the profesionalism of soldiers, they used high school/university students doing it for a laugh. The capabilities of an ancient greek and the capabilites of a modern teenager are no where near the same. and in the areas that mattered for the myth, the greeks would have been ALLOT better due to the time they lived in.
 
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