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(Delaware County Daily Times)   What good is being a sheriff if you can't pull draw your service weapon on citizens during a verbal disagreement in a parking lot of a bar?   (delcotimes.com ) divider line
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2013-09-03 12:34:32 PM  
What a pull draw might look like......

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2013-09-03 12:35:33 PM  
I'm sure he'll enjoy his 4 weeks of paid leave before he goes back on duty.
 
2013-09-03 12:36:48 PM  
And this is why only trained, responsible law enforcement officers should be allowed to carry guns.

...wait...
 
2013-09-03 12:37:35 PM  
Yet another greenlight that makes it to the main because Smitty doesn't proof read.
 
2013-09-03 12:37:56 PM  
Damn. I was hoping it would be about Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
 
2013-09-03 12:39:13 PM  
Officers placed Long under arrest and searched his truck. They found two weapons and Long's badge and identification from the sheriff's department.

The arresting officers have been placed on unpaid leave and will be dealt with appropriately.
 
2013-09-03 12:41:44 PM  
We apologise for the fault in the headline. Those responsible have been sacked.

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We apologise again for the fault in the other posts. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

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2013-09-03 12:42:22 PM  
Sheriff's Deputy != Sheriff
 
2013-09-03 12:42:39 PM  

AngryDragon: And this is why only trained, responsible law enforcement officers should be allowed to carry guns.

...wait...


Well, two out of three in this story qualify.
 
2013-09-03 12:43:08 PM  
What a moron.
 
2013-09-03 12:43:41 PM  
Remember, when you put a uniform and a badge on a person they magically transform into something completely different than the average citizen who has no business owning a gun.
 
2013-09-03 12:44:34 PM  

JesseL: Sheriff's Deputy != Sheriff


I didn't shoot that guy.
 
2013-09-03 12:48:55 PM  
I don't want to sound like cop kissass here, but here are pieces of the article.

Bryan D. Long, 42, of the 500 block of Darby Road in Haverford, was arrested about 12:30 a.m. Sunday outside of Casey's Saloon on Lansdowne Avenue. According to Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood, Long allegedly was driving in his pickup truck when he got into a verbal altercation with three people in another car.
"This started as some kind of road incident and for some reason, Long allegedly pulled a gun," Chitwood said.


So this did happen around the bar, but not related to inside the bar.  Further it was some sort of disagreement, three guys in one car, one in another.  The lone guy pulls a gun and drives away.  The three guys then flag down a cop.  We don't know the mood of three guys at the time.

Not that I disagree with treating a cop the way anyone else would be treated, but this might be a reasonable action.  Let's not get (reasonable) cop hate in the way innocent until proven guilty.

\And it is wonderful a LEO has to go through the same shiat as a 'civilian' now and then.
 
2013-09-03 12:51:20 PM  

mortimer_ford: Officers placed Long under arrest and searched his truck. They found two weapons and Long's badge and identification from the sheriff's department.

The arresting officers have been placed on unpaid leave and will be dealt with appropriately.


I have a feeling the sheriff wasn't in his county and the arresting officers are not part of his department.  They just better stay out his county till he is removed from office.  Messing with another gang's leader means the turf war is going to be tense for a while.
 
2013-09-03 12:51:26 PM  
Kill a cop a day, for good health and good measure.
 
2013-09-03 12:51:34 PM  
FTA:"They find a .45-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol that was fully loaded with a round in the chamber "

OK, I know this guy was a class-A douchebag, but can we PLEASE stop doing this.  As a rule, all firearms under the control of someone should be loaded with a round in the chamber.  A firearm is nothing more than a paperweight otherwise.  In fact it is impossible for a revolver to be fully loaded and NOT have a round in the chamber.

I really despise "journalistic" fear tactics.
 
2013-09-03 12:52:52 PM  

Fart_Machine: JesseL: Sheriff's Deputy != Sheriff

I didn't shoot that guy.


Ha! What you did there, I see it. +1 internets for you.
 
2013-09-03 12:54:12 PM  
Amateur.
i643.photobucket.com
/hawt
 
2013-09-03 12:59:38 PM  
Cops in question

fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-03 01:00:05 PM  

paygun: Remember, when you put a uniform and a badge on a person they magically transform into something completely different than the average citizen who has no business owning a gun.


It's not a 'gun' in the hands of law enforcement - it's a 'service weapon'
 
2013-09-03 01:00:26 PM  
AngryDragon,
FTA:"They find a .45-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol that was fully loaded with a round in the chamber "
OK, I know this guy was a class-A douchebag, but can we PLEASE stop doing this. As a rule, all firearms under the control of someone should be loaded with a round in the chamber. A firearm is nothing more than a paperweight otherwise. In fact it is impossible for a revolver to be fully loaded and NOT have a round in the chamber.
I really despise "journalistic" fear tactics.

I don't disagree with your point, however.
1-The cop was arrested and is being given the treatment like any other civilian. What passes for local journalism is depressing.
2-Maybe enough grandma have been tased and some journalist might be turning on LEOs. Although note my previous post this is an arrest with the charges listed, not a conviction.
 
2013-09-03 01:03:25 PM  
My brother is a small-town police chief. So far he's arrested two of his own officers (weed and pawning city property - a gun), a city councilman (molesting a mentally and physically handicapped person), and the mayor (accessory to murder).

Nice town
 
2013-09-03 01:04:35 PM  

Fart_Machine: JesseL: Sheriff's Deputy != Sheriff

I didn't shoot that guy.


Reminds me of a Family Guy episode:

Detective 1: "So, let me get this straight. Your defense is that you shot the sheriff but you did NOT shoot the deputy"
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 1: "But you DID shoot the sheriff?"
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 1: "And . . . you're admitting that."
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 2: "We don't need to get him on the deputy. If we prove he killed the sheriff, that's a life sentence, right there."
Detective 1: "Yeah, I'm not sure why he's defending himself on murder by confessing to a completely different murder."
Detective 2: "I have this weird hunch he might be high."
 
2013-09-03 01:07:36 PM  
The sooner people get it through their thick heads that cops can do whatever the fark they want and we have no recourse the more content people will be.
 
2013-09-03 01:07:56 PM  
t0.gstatic.com

Ah was up in Mount Pilot with mah girl, Helen Crump. We stopped at this little place for lunch. Danged if they didn't serve alcohol too. Helen wanted to leave, but I was hungry. So we sat away from the bar and tried to enjoy our food. The catfish, by the way, was excellent.

Anyhoo, this guy who was way past his limit ambles over and starts talking to Helen. He's telling her she's a real beauty and he'd treat her right if she were to give him a chance. I kindly asked him to leave and let us be in peace but he was just stubboner than a mule going up a ladder. So I had to call him out. I told him I'd meet him outside so as not to cause a ruckus. He agreed. Helen said "Andy, you don't have to do this. Let's just leave." I told her I had everything under control, but I still gave her the back of my hand. I didn't want any more guys in that place thinking I didn't have control over my woman.

So I went outside and there he was. All six foot five and drunk as can be. He pulls a knife and says "you's that sheriff what don' carry no gun. Whatchoo gonna do now, sheriff?" He lunges at me with that knife and I go for the gun I keep on my ankle - you know, the one I 'find' in the cars of certain people when they wander in to my county? "Bang" It's only a 32 but it goes through right up through the brain and he's dead before he hits the ground. Well, doggy, by the time everyone runs out, I've tossed his knife. The local cops comes by. I flash my badge and tell him, drunkey pulled his gun on my and we struggled before it went off "accidentally". Cops says "Officer, just phone your report in to the desk sergeant. Take the evidence and go in peace, buddy."

Helen and I lit out of there. She was so impressed she "serviced mah revolver" on the ride home.

Now, Barney, I know what you're thinking. None of this had anything to do with the Miller's moonshining operation. Certainly, it don't. I just like tellin' it. That's all.
 
2013-09-03 01:09:05 PM  

NutWrench: Reminds me of a Family Guy episode:

Detective 1: "So, let me get this straight. Your defense is that you shot the sheriff but you did NOT shoot the deputy"
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 1: "But you DID shoot the sheriff?"
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 1: "And . . . you're admitting that."
Bob Marley: "Jah"
Detective 2: "We don't need to get him on the deputy. If we prove he killed the sheriff, that's a life sentence, right there."
Detective 1: "Yeah, I'm not sure why he's defending himself on murder by confessing to a completely different murder."
Detective 2: "I have this weird hunch he might be high."


Yeah, but that was self defense.
 
2013-09-03 01:11:49 PM  

Enemabag Jones: So this did happen around the bar, but not related to inside the bar. Further it was some sort of disagreement, three guys in one car, one in another. The lone guy pulls a gun and drives away. The three guys then flag down a cop. We don't know the mood of three guys at the time.

Not that I disagree with treating a cop the way anyone else would be treated, but this might be a reasonable action. Let's not get (reasonable) cop hate in the way innocent until proven guilty.


How is it a "reasonable action" to point a loaded gun at someone and then drive away? If drawing the weapon was appropriate as a LEO, then he should have been trying to detain the people in the other vehicle. Cops don't just get to point loaded weapons at people for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-09-03 01:19:33 PM  
A few years ago, I walked up to the school behind my house to pick up my sister who was in some sort of girl scout meeting - I came to the building, and the doors were locked. I looked in through the window, and all the scouts were huddled on the opposite side of the building from me. I walked around to the other side, tried that door, and it was locked too. l  looked through the window on that side and the scouts were now on the other side, opposite me again. I walked back around - and sure enough they all scrambled to the other side, trying to avoid me.

While I was knocking, some guy came up with a gun, pointed at me, and he told me to lay on the ground. I told him to get lost. Then I found out that some teens had been harassing the scouts, and he thought that I was one of them. Someone had called him and told them they were being threatened. The guy kept yelling at me, and I kept telling him I was there to pick up my sister, and to stop waving his gun at me like an idiot.

Finally the police came, and I told them about the angry gun guy. I filed a complaint, and they took him away for reckless endangerment or something like that (waving a gun around because he thought I was a threat)

I think he had to spend a week in jail, and had his guns confiscated, or so I heard through the other scout parents later. I'm glad. We don't need armed angry misinformed citizens running around trying to be vigilantes. I'm glad he was punished and his guns rightfully confiscated.  We -have- a police force. He could have killed someone (me) out of fear and mistaken identity.

The children of the gun-nut were pretty badly teased though at later scout meetings, about their redneck gun-nut dad trying to act like a hero. Eventually the teasing got so bad that the family had to move to some rural flyover state where that sort of behavior was acceptable. I imagine them driving around with confederate flags, living in trailer parks and going to tea-party rallies now.
 
2013-09-03 01:23:55 PM  
Harry Freakstorm that was farking magnificent. Really.
 
2013-09-03 01:24:20 PM  
GameSprocket
How is it a "reasonable action" to point a loaded gun at someone and then drive away? If drawing the weapon was appropriate as a LEO, then he should have been trying to detain the people in the other vehicle. Cops don't just get to point loaded weapons at people for shiats and giggles.


As I understood the article, there was some sort of dispute on the road, two cars, one with the sheriff only, one with three men in it. Eventually someone pulled over and followed someone into the parking lot.  I don't know what happened, maybe the cop was being the dick, but for all I know the three guys were being dicks and he was that short of having his ass kicked.

Pulling your gun and getting the f**k out of there may be considered a reasonable action.  Seems to me one guy pulling gun and driving away against three in a personal dispute where he fears for his life might be reasonable.

Unless you think he should have stood his ground and tried to arrest all three getting himself or others killed is a more reasonable action?
 
2013-09-03 01:35:11 PM  
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2013-09-03 01:38:30 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Pulling your gun and getting the f**k out of there may be considered a reasonable action.  Seems to me one guy pulling gun and driving away against three in a personal dispute where he fears for his life might be reasonable.

Unless you think he should have stood his ground and tried to arrest all three getting himself or others killed is a more reasonable action?


If he is a deputy and thinks that these three people are driving around physically threatening people, then yes he should have tried to arrest them. I'm not saying there is no possible reason to draw a weapon without attempting an arrest, but he would need to come up with a pretty good one.

Just to be very clear, I am stating that a police officer should not be drawing a weapon and pointing it at anyone without a very good justification. That level of justification pretty much requires that the situation is serious enough that the officer should be attempting an arrest (or at least calling in the license plate). This guy drew a weapon and then went about his normal business.
 
2013-09-03 01:43:25 PM  
Chitwood said Long then allegedly pulled out a handgun and pointed it at the people in the other vehicle before driving off. The other motorists then saw him pull into the parking lot of Casey's and go into the restaurant. They called 911.

 GameSprocket

Just to be very clear, I am stating that a police officer should not be drawing a weapon and pointing it at anyone without a very good justification. That level of justification pretty much requires that the situation is serious enough that the officer should be attempting an arrest (or at least calling in the license plate). This guy drew a weapon and then went about his normal business.


If the Sheriff's Deputy did not immediately try to let someone know his version of the story then that was a farkup on his part.  Per the article above we don't know what he was doing in the restaurant.

\I still am glad he was treated like anyone else and not a member of the LEO blue line organization.
 
2013-09-03 01:45:47 PM  

lack of warmth: mortimer_ford: Officers placed Long under arrest and searched his truck. They found two weapons and Long's badge and identification from the sheriff's department.

The arresting officers have been placed on unpaid leave and will be dealt with appropriately.

I have a feeling the sheriff wasn't in his county and the arresting officers are not part of his department.  They just better stay out his county till he is removed from office.  Messing with another gang's leader means the turf war is going to be tense for a while.


Here in PA the sheriffs don't do much besides serving warrants and transporting prisoners.  They get no respect from the "real" cops.
 
2013-09-03 01:51:01 PM  

Enemabag Jones: As I understood the article, there was some sort of dispute on the road, two cars, one with the sheriff only, one with three men in it. Eventually someone pulled over and followed someone into the parking lot. I don't know what happened, maybe the cop was being the dick, but for all I know the three guys were being dicks and he was that short of having his ass kicked.

Pulling your gun and getting the f**k out of there may be considered a reasonable action. Seems to me one guy pulling gun and driving away against three in a personal dispute where he fears for his life might be reasonable.

Unless you think he should have stood his ground and tried to arrest all three getting himself or others killed is a more reasonable action?


Are you honestly proposing that he, as a law enforcement officer, had or thought he had legal justification to pull a weapon and point it on people, but NOT to make an arrest or call for backup?

Is that seriously the proposal you're putting forth?  Really want to stand by that?
 
2013-09-03 01:52:49 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm sure he'll enjoy his 4 weeks of paid leave before he goes back on duty.


He certainly deserves a promotion for putting up with such things.

And if they picked him up with an M-4, that's not a semi-automatic but "select fire". That makes it a true machine gun and he no doubt was violating federal law as well.
 
2013-09-03 02:00:10 PM  
Satanic_Hamster
Are you honestly proposing that he, as a law enforcement officer, had or thought he had legal justification to pull a weapon and point it on people, but NOT to make an arrest or call for backup?
Is that seriously the proposal you're putting forth? Really want to stand by that?


Yes I will. Three against one. True police can be dicks, but considering it was a road rage incident, three guys in car vs one person in a car. That truly could have been either party or both.

And should he have tried to arrest them all and maybe end up shooting one or GTFO and de-escalate the situation.

For all I know the cop was being the dick, but this cold have gone either way, and he drove into a nearby restaurant after. For all we know the three guys got their story straight and were playing victims when they were starting shiat. Who knows what happened. Innocent until proven guilty. Do I have a reputation for defending cops here?

If you are suggesting he should have pulled a John McClain and arrested all three standing his ground then go for that. Then we might have the headline 'Sheriff's Deputy shoots man after road rage dispute"
 
2013-09-03 02:21:42 PM  

AngryDragon: FTA:"They find a .45-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol that was fully loaded with a round in the chamber "

OK, I know this guy was a class-A douchebag, but can we PLEASE stop doing this.  As a rule, all firearms under the control of someone should be loaded with a round in the chamber.  A firearm is nothing more than a paperweight otherwise.  In fact it is impossible for a revolver to be fully loaded and NOT have a round in the chamber.

I really despise "journalistic" fear tactics.


A Glock, eh?

mjm.luckygunner.com
 
2013-09-03 03:36:50 PM  

ISO15693: A few years ago, I walked up to the school behind my house to pick up my sister who was in some sort of girl scout meeting - I came to the building, and the doors were locked. I looked in through the window, and all the scouts were huddled on the opposite side of the building from me. I walked around to the other side, tried that door, and it was locked too. l  looked through the window on that side and the scouts were now on the other side, opposite me again. I walked back around - and sure enough they all scrambled to the other side, trying to avoid me.

While I was knocking, some guy came up with a gun, pointed at me, and he told me to lay on the ground. I told him to get lost. Then I found out that some teens had been harassing the scouts, and he thought that I was one of them. Someone had called him and told them they were being threatened. The guy kept yelling at me, and I kept telling him I was there to pick up my sister, and to stop waving his gun at me like an idiot.

Finally the police came, and I told them about the angry gun guy. I filed a complaint, and they took him away for reckless endangerment or something like that (waving a gun around because he thought I was a threat)

I think he had to spend a week in jail, and had his guns confiscated, or so I heard through the other scout parents later. I'm glad. We don't need armed angry misinformed citizens running around trying to be vigilantes. I'm glad he was punished and his guns rightfully confiscated.  We -have- a police force. He could have killed someone (me) out of fear and mistaken identity.

The children of the gun-nut were pretty badly teased though at later scout meetings, about their redneck gun-nut dad trying to act like a hero. Eventually the teasing got so bad that the family had to move to some rural flyover state where that sort of behavior was acceptable. I imagine them driving around with confederate flags, living in trailer parks and going to tea-party rallies now.


Wow, taunting children for the behavior of their father sure seems like the right thing to do doesn't it? I wouldn't want you as a neighbor either.
 
2013-09-03 05:38:07 PM  

AngryDragon: FTA:"They find a .45-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol that was fully loaded with a round in the chamber "

OK, I know this guy was a class-A douchebag, but can we PLEASE stop doing this.  As a rule, all firearms under the control of someone should be loaded with a round in the chamber.  A firearm is nothing more than a paperweight otherwise.  In fact it is impossible for a revolver to be fully loaded and NOT have a round in the chamber.

I really despise "journalistic" fear tactics.


The loaded weapon was not under the deputies control when it was found.  It was unattended in his truck.
 
2013-09-03 05:46:46 PM  
MycroftHolmes
AngryDragon: FTA:"They find a .45-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol that was fully loaded with a round in the chamber "
OK, I know this guy was a class-A douchebag, but can we PLEASE stop doing this. As a rule, all firearms under the control of someone should be loaded with a round in the chamber. A firearm is nothing more than a paperweight otherwise. In fact it is impossible for a revolver to be fully loaded and NOT have a round in the chamber.
I really despise "journalistic" fear tactics.
The loaded weapon was not under the deputies control when it was found. It was unattended in his truck.


That is not so good. If he was in a situation where he needed to pull a gun he should have owned it.
 
2013-09-04 12:54:12 AM  
lack of warmth

Wow, taunt ...

I didn't taunt them. The scouts and their parents did.
 
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