Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It should be criminal to own a machine gun or a silencer anyway.
smells_like_meat: Fubini: but 30 years of that shiat will leave you deaf.What?
n0nthing: It's also not terribly difficult, expensive, or illegal to purchase a machine gun kit, an 80% receiver, and a dremel.
dittybopper: Giltric: dittybopper: Giltric: The only reason I was applying for a can is because I shoot on my property. My neighbors are a mile away but are NY transplantsNYC, or NYS? Because there can be a very, very big difference.Obnoxious city folk that even the other city transplants don't like.My favorite are the ones that buy property in farm country in the fall or winter, then biatch about the smell in the spring when the manure spreaders start working, followed closely by the ones that biatch about the sound of gunshots in the fall during hunting season.
Giltric: dittybopper: Giltric: The only reason I was applying for a can is because I shoot on my property. My neighbors are a mile away but are NY transplantsNYC, or NYS? Because there can be a very, very big difference.Obnoxious city folk that even the other city transplants don't like.
dittybopper: Giltric: The only reason I was applying for a can is because I shoot on my property. My neighbors are a mile away but are NY transplantsNYC, or NYS? Because there can be a very, very big difference.
Secret Master of All Flatulence: mbillips: EWWWWWW!!! You got Glock plastic on my real gunz.When my wife decided to spawn, we started early with firearms training for the little one. One great thing about the Glock: If you remove the slide assembly, the frame doesn't rust as a result of baby slobber. Tactical Teether FTMFW!!![i135.photobucket.com image 120x61]
mbillips: I'm sure there are any number of unsolved murders involving unregistered suppressors/short-barreled shotguns/machine pistols.
Click Click D'oh: PsiChick: Can you prove that the type of gun is an important factor in gun crime, then?The facts as they are:Non-NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: Eight Billion (roughly)NFA firearms used in the commission of crimes since 1934: 2The fact that you keep lumping NFA items in with every other gun available mean that either 1) You truly have no clue what you are on about -or- 2) are intentionally conflating the two items to create confusion about what the real scope of the issue. The truth is that NFA firearms are simply not used to commit crimes on any appreciable scale.Keep those Goal posts moving.
lordaction: The Constitution only applies to muskets because that is the only firearm technology that existed when the document was written. It is just like we only have freedom of speech/press if it is printed on a gutenburg press and does not apply to the internet of cell phones. For us liberals, this is all perfectly logical.
PsiChick: Can you prove that the type of gun is an important factor in gun crime, then?
mbillips: Fubini: Magorn: Pretty Boy Floyd's colt AutomaticThis is not what we call a machinegun. In that usage, 'automatic' is a jargon term that means 'self-loading and extracting'... in other words, it's what we'd call a semi-automatic weapon today. At the time, it was used to distinguish that type of weapon from something like a revolver, bolt-action, or lever-action gun. (The revolver doesn't extract casings after use, the bolt action and the lever action both loads and extracts, but the action must be operated manually.)Case in point: Colt didn't make any machineguns at that time, other than the M1895 machinegun, which is definitely *not* a crime gun. It's a tripod-mounted, belt-fed machine gun.Pretty Boy Floyd's criminal career was in the early '30s. Colt manufactured the Maxim/Vickers and the Browning M1917 under license during WWI. They also manufactured 15,000 Thompson submachine guns.But what he's referring to is the "baby machine gun," which a certain San Antonio gunsmith made from the Colt 1911 and supplied to gangsters and bank robbers, including Floyd.
PsiChick: No, the purpose is to reduce criminal possession--by stopping the criminals from getting their sister\brother\parent\relative from buying it for them.
IdBeCrazyIf: BraveNewCheneyWorld: That's like saying that "free speech zones" aren't an inherent infringement on your free speech rights, even though you can say whatever you want in some abandoned parking lot where nobody will hear you.If we want to take it literal, but fact remains the law as written has been interpreted that regulation does not violate your constitutional rights.
Devo: Are gun rights advocates against any additional regulations? That is what I am getting out of this. Is it that they are afraid of a slippery slope? Give and inch and Obama has your guns? Is regulation a dirty word? Please explain.et's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. I received it from the 2nd amendment and the Dick act of 1902....Along you come and say, "Give me that cake." I say, "No, it's my cake." You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."I say, "No, it's my cake."You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.You say, "Let's compromise once more." What do I get out of this compromise? I get to keep one eighth of what's left of the cake I already own?So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Machine gun ban of 1986 -- and I'm left holding what is now just an eighth of my cake.I sit back in the corner with just my eighth of cake that I once owned outright and completely, I glance up and here you come once more.You say nothing and just grab my cake; This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".
StrangeQ: Or we could just stop treating corporations like people
Fark It: Krymson Tyde: What's the big deal with silencers? If I've learned anything from Hollywood it's that a gun can be rendered noiseless by the simple application of a pillow. We all have pillows lying around.And an empty water bottle.
Fubini: but 30 years of that shiat will leave you deaf.
alienated: 4/10, subby. You'll get some bites
HotIgneous Intruder: Making it harder got get guns?I'm ok with this.
Kit Fister: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It should be criminal to own a machine gun or a silencer anyway.I used to respect you. Moron.
gopher321: thought it was called a suppressor?
EvilEgg: I know, the GOP would never try to pass laws to combat a problem that didn't exist. That is why they are so down on the anti-voter fraud laws.
dittybopper: The ease with which criminals can legally by machine guns they aren't eligible to own just has to stop!
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