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2013-09-03 08:06:26 AM  
Yes, we Americans do have our priorities skewed sometimes.
 
2013-09-03 08:54:50 AM  
I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.
 
2013-09-03 09:07:17 AM  
That's all well and good I suppose--a bit aristocratic like a House of Lords-style meritocracy. But it is entirely possible to be a great achiever in the humanities, arts and sciences and also be a certified wackaloon in terms of social policy--like the former example Submitter mentioned.
 
2013-09-03 09:17:14 AM  
Yeah but he still lives with his mother.
 
2013-09-03 09:26:56 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


Knowledge and constructive criticism have no place in politics. It's all about the shiat flinging monkeys now.

/that's why I want to bomb the whole place and start over.
//hang on... someone's at the door.
 
2013-09-03 09:30:10 AM  
Don't feel too bad USA, you've got a nobel prize winner as prez.

Oh wait, that was basically a fark you to the war-mongers. Nevermind.
 
2013-09-03 09:59:26 AM  
www.independent.co.uk

Look, this guy was the PM for 3 terms. So, really, whatever good feeling you have about the Italian political system, be sure to temper it with that sobering thought.
 
2013-09-03 10:14:12 AM  
Isn't Italy also the country that puts geologists on trial for murder for not predicting every earthquake with 100 percent accuracy?
 
2013-09-03 10:18:05 AM  
i885.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-03 10:19:09 AM  

AirForceVet: Yes, we Americans do have our priorities skewed sometimes.


Then they fall back on; this is what Jesus planned
 
2013-09-03 10:22:20 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


Rush Holt made it to the House of Representatives but lost out in his recent bid to be NJ's Senator since Cory Booker had better name recognition for the democratic primary. In his campaign he noted that he'd be the only scientist in the Senate if elected.
 
2013-09-03 10:22:33 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


They would never get the corporate backing they would need to run.

I'm talking about a REAL scientist, of course. Someone with a degree in one of the "hard" sciences, and good grades, and a history of working in the field doing actual research and/or teaching. The kind of person not evil/greedy/stupid enough to want to sell himself out to get elected to office, frankly.

I'm sure we'll see some half-assed candidate with a degree in geology who claims the earth is 6000 years old try and pass himself off as a "scientist". I'm sure it's happened already.
 
2013-09-03 10:23:43 AM  

Somacandra: That's all well and good I suppose--a bit aristocratic like a House of Lords-style meritocracy. But it is entirely possible to be a great achiever in the humanities, arts and sciences and also be a certified wackaloon in terms of social policy--like the former example Submitter mentioned.


This. One's achievements in "music, art and science" ought not to warrant an appointed seat in government.

/subby, American's don't "appoint Senators for life." If a few zealots wind up in Congress, it's because they were voted in by the people. In short, we're still way better than the Italians.
 
2013-09-03 10:27:49 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


Well Carter was a nuclear physicist but that was a long time ago and the Republicans consider him one of the worst Presidents in history because....because of all the hotels he burglarized and all the arms deals with Iran and all the illegal wars he started. So fark science.
 
2013-09-03 10:28:05 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


He might, as long as he isn't an atheist.
 
2013-09-03 10:30:17 AM  
scumshine:

Came in here to point out they also elected Ilona Staller.
 
2013-09-03 10:35:44 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


Ph.D. level scientists?

Rush Holt - Physicist

Bill Foster - Physicist

And Vern Ehlers (physicist) is recently retired.  All were in the House.

As for engineering, that gets to splitting hairs.  There are a few who have undergrads or masters in some sort of engineering, but none I can think of right now with a Ph.D. in a legit engineering program.
 
2013-09-03 10:39:35 AM  

tglems: Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.

Ph.D. level scientists?

Rush Holt - Physicist

Bill Foster - Physicist

And Vern Ehlers (physicist) is recently retired.  All were in the House.

As for engineering, that gets to splitting hairs.  There are a few who have undergrads or masters in some sort of engineering, but none I can think of right now with a Ph.D. in a legit engineering program.


Degrees are one thing but accomplishments are another and the congress seems sorely lacking there. There are several MD's in congress and some of them claim to believe more in Jesus than medical science.
 
2013-09-03 10:45:23 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.


3.bp.blogspot.com
"I bet I can win a GOP primary. I know science and stuff"
 
2013-09-03 10:47:54 AM  
Jimmy Carter has a graduate degree in nuclear physics, and everyone agrees he was the most effective president of all time.
 
2013-09-03 10:49:52 AM  

tglems: Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.

Ph.D. level scientists?

Rush Holt - Physicist

-Democrat

Bill Foster - Physicist -Democrat

And Vern Ehlers (physicist) -RINO is recently retired.  All were in the House. (so he doesn't count)


See a pattern here?
 
2013-09-03 10:50:43 AM  
 
2013-09-03 10:51:11 AM  
Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.
 
2013-09-03 10:57:03 AM  
monoski:

Degrees are one thing but accomplishments are another and the congress seems sorely lacking there. There are several MD's in congress and some of them claim to believe more in Jesus than medical science.

Holt, Foster, and Ehlers were all good scientists, though Ehlers ended up as a career politician.

And yeah, the MD's like Rep. Paul Broun are a shame.  His, "science is lies from the pit of hell" speech makes me feel embarrassed for him.
 
2013-09-03 10:57:41 AM  

Jairzinho: tglems: Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.

Ph.D. level scientists?

Rush Holt - Physicist -Democrat

Bill Foster - Physicist -Democrat

And Vern Ehlers (physicist) -RINO is recently retired.  All were in the House. (so he doesn't count)


See a pattern here?


From only a couple data points?  Not really.
 
2013-09-03 10:58:55 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.


This is the same Jim Inofe who says global warming is no different than Nazi lies and that God would never allow us to run out of fossil fuels or pollute the environment bad enough to hurt people?  That Jim Inofe?
 
2013-09-03 11:00:15 AM  
The major thing is that in Europe people are either not religious or they simply keep their religion private instead of wearing it like a badge.

If the US woke up and remembered that we all have different sets of religious beliefs and that those beliefs usually have very little with how you govern a country we would be much better off.  Yeah, ok your religion is against murder and theft. Yup, we have that covered. Do you really need the other several thousand rules entering government? If so your faith is weak.
 
2013-09-03 11:09:47 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.

This is the same Jim Inofe who says global warming is no different than Nazi lies and that God would never allow us to run out of fossil fuels or pollute the environment bad enough to hurt people?  That Jim Inofe?


yea, that Jim inhofe, us libby Okies are scared to death because we know who we elect next will be worse than what you described.
 
2013-09-03 11:12:10 AM  

realmolo: Weaver95: I don't know if an actual scientist can even get past a primary race in this country.

They would never get the corporate backing they would need to run.

I'm talking about a REAL scientist, of course. Someone with a degree in one of the "hard" sciences, and good grades, and a history of working in the field doing actual research and/or teaching. The kind of person not evil/greedy/stupid enough to want to sell himself out to get elected to office, frankly.

I'm sure we'll see some half-assed candidate with a degree in geology who claims the earth is 6000 years old try and pass himself off as a "scientist". I'm sure it's happened already.


Doesn't Bobby Jindal have a biology degree from Brown?
 
2013-09-03 11:22:41 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD


Please tell me this is a joke. Inhofe is probably the dumbest motherfarker in congress.
 
2013-09-03 11:29:58 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.


patrick767: JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD

Please tell me this is a joke. Inhofe is probably the dumbest motherfarker in congress.


Joke.
 
2013-09-03 11:33:51 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.

This is the same Jim Inofe who says global warming is no different than Nazi lies and that God would never allow us to run out of fossil fuels or pollute the environment bad enough to hurt people?  That Jim Inofe?


Jim Inhofe is to Science what KFC is to chicken.  -Lewis Black
 
2013-09-03 11:34:16 AM  

tglems: As for engineering, that gets to splitting hairs. There are a few who have undergrads or masters in some sort of engineering, but none I can think of right now with a Ph.D. in a legit engineering program.


Engineers are not real Doctors, Howard.
television.thedigitalfix.com
 
2013-09-03 11:36:02 AM  
You might want the STEM types as political leaders now, but keep in mind that both Carter and Cain hold advanced degrees, and so do most politburo members in the CCP.

Empathy and people skills aren't big in people who deal with numbers and machines all day.
 
2013-09-03 11:40:05 AM  
TTIUWO Bunga Bunga.
 
2013-09-03 11:42:36 AM  

super_grass: You might want the STEM types as political leaders now, but keep in mind that both Carter and Cain hold advanced degrees, and so do most politburo members in the CCP.

Empathy and people skills aren't big in people who deal with numbers and machines all day.


Are you trying to claim that Carter had/has no empathy or people skills? I've heard lots of criticism of Carter, but a claim that he's an uncaring robot has never been one of them. If anything, most people thought he was ineffectual because he was TOO empathetic.
 
2013-09-03 11:44:02 AM  
Because we all know that being a scientist automatically makes one good at governing.
 
2013-09-03 11:44:29 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Satanic_Hamster: JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.

This is the same Jim Inofe who says global warming is no different than Nazi lies and that God would never allow us to run out of fossil fuels or pollute the environment bad enough to hurt people?  That Jim Inofe?

yea, that Jim inhofe, us libby Okies are scared to death because we know who we elect next will be worse than what you described.


Hello Senator Fallin.
 
2013-09-03 11:44:31 AM  

miscreant: super_grass: You might want the STEM types as political leaders now, but keep in mind that both Carter and Cain hold advanced degrees, and so do most politburo members in the CCP.

Empathy and people skills aren't big in people who deal with numbers and machines all day.

Are you trying to claim that Carter had/has no empathy or people skills? I've heard lots of criticism of Carter, but a claim that he's an uncaring robot has never been one of them. If anything, most people thought he was ineffectual because he was TOO empathetic.


People skills also means not being a milquetoast.

You need to be gentile and loving, but firm at the same time.
 
2013-09-03 11:44:34 AM  

tglems: monoski:

Degrees are one thing but accomplishments are another and the congress seems sorely lacking there. There are several MD's in congress and some of them claim to believe more in Jesus than medical science.

Holt, Foster, and Ehlers were all good scientists, though Ehlers ended up as a career politician.

And yeah, the MD's like Rep. Paul Broun are a shame.  His, "science is lies from the pit of hell" speech makes me feel embarrassed for him.


Then there are Dr's Paul (Ron and Rand) and they seem to fall into a whole category
 
2013-09-03 11:45:20 AM  

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heh heh heh

 
2013-09-03 11:46:23 AM  

maxheck: scumshine:

Came in here to point out they also elected Ilona Staller.


I couldn't help myself and I'm glad you came.
 
2013-09-03 11:46:40 AM  

miscreant: super_grass: You might want the STEM types as political leaders now, but keep in mind that both Carter and Cain hold advanced degrees, and so do most politburo members in the CCP.

Empathy and people skills aren't big in people who deal with numbers and machines all day.

Are you trying to claim that Carter had/has no empathy or people skills? I've heard lots of criticism of Carter, but a claim that he's an uncaring robot has never been one of them. If anything, most people thought he was ineffectual because he was TOO empathetic.


Carter only does that Habitat for Humanity stuff because he likes to organize piles of building materials.
 
2013-09-03 11:46:52 AM  
Well, in order to become senator, you usually have to either pay your dues for a while at the lower levels or have enough money to skip the process.  The people who fall into the former category are pretty much all career politicians and the people who fall into the latter category tend to be rich businessmen.  The reason you don't see many scientists in government is the same reason you don't see too many pastors, plumbers, carpenters, police officers, accountants, or any other career line; it's mostly politicians and businessmen.
 
2013-09-03 11:47:27 AM  
This ought to get a few bites...

Any fiction authors in Congress?
 
2013-09-03 11:57:58 AM  

Mentat: JolobinSmokin: Satanic_Hamster: JolobinSmokin: Jim inhofe has a PHD, in go Fark yourself libs.

Which is nice, & I'm more scared of who we would elect after Jim.

This is the same Jim Inofe who says global warming is no different than Nazi lies and that God would never allow us to run out of fossil fuels or pollute the environment bad enough to hurt people?  That Jim Inofe?

yea, that Jim inhofe, us libby Okies are scared to death because we know who we elect next will be worse than what you described.

Hello Senator Fallin.


or Senator Mark WayneMullin or Senator James Bridenstein, a lot of scary possibilities worse than Inhofe and libs and even other cons probably don't understand that.
 
2013-09-03 12:10:25 PM  

Summercat: This ought to get a few bites...

Any fiction authors in Congress?


Only a few.  538, to be exact.
 
2013-09-03 12:12:26 PM  

Highroller48: Summercat: This ought to get a few bites...

Any fiction authors in Congress?

Only a few.  538, to be exact.


Highfive
 
2013-09-03 12:14:20 PM  

realmolo: I'm talking about a REAL scientist, of course. Someone with a degree in one of the "hard" sciences, and good grades, and a history of working in the field doing actual research and/or teaching. The kind of person not evil/greedy/stupid enough to want to sell himself out to get elected to office, frankly.


Neil Degrasse Tyson had a good point to make about that one time. Something like 80% of Congress all have degrees/education in law (and the rest have degrees in either business or finance). America is run by attorneys, and attorneys do not argue for the right solution to problems, they're trained to argue to win the debate, and that is a subtle but too important difference. There are NO scientists or engineers in Congress. Attorneys can't possibly understand anything NASA or CERN is doing, much less justify why they should spend money on it.

And then we put these people in charge of important shiat like the House Energy Committee or other technology/communications groups where they are woefully unqualified for the position. And we get ignorant shiat like this.
 
2013-09-03 12:14:44 PM  

Summercat: Highroller48: Summercat: This ought to get a few bites...

Any fiction authors in Congress?

Only a few.  538, to be exact.

Highfive


King fiction writer
 
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