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(BBC)   Researches search for Suleiman the Magnificent's heart, which subby assumes they need for a cultural victory in Civ5   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 57
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2013-09-02 03:45:45 PM  
Cultural Victory is only good in Multiplayer, provided your ally guards you while you spam wonders.

/ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?
//half the world gangs up on America, the second I retaliate against the instigating Chinese, I'm a 'warmongerer'
///fark  Rhamkhamhaeng (yay copy-pasta)
 
2013-09-02 03:46:32 PM  
I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

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2013-09-02 03:52:51 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]


It would be nice, but only the Sultan gets to wear one that big.
 
2013-09-02 03:54:01 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Cultural Victory is only good in Multiplayer, provided your ally guards you while you spam wonders.

/ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?
//half the world gangs up on America, the second I retaliate against the instigating Chinese, I'm a 'warmongerer'
///fark  Rhamkhamhaeng (yay copy-pasta)


Just did a play thru as the Aztecs with Brave New World and it appears the other civs only get pissy with you as a Warmonger if you are like to start wars a lot.  Also, I don't remember if the change is from Brave New World or earlier, but some civs now will consider you a warmonger but it wont upset them (Considers you a warmonger, but tolerates warmongers).
 
2013-09-02 03:56:46 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Cultural Victory is only good in Multiplayer, provided your ally guards you while you spam wonders.

/ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?
//half the world gangs up on America, the second I retaliate against the instigating Chinese, I'm a 'warmongerer'
///fark  Rhamkhamhaeng (yay copy-pasta)


It's worth it, but the other civs are still a bunch of hypocritical psychos.
 
2013-09-02 04:00:54 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]


But are the doorways in your home low enough to pass through? (Or the ceilings for that matter)
 
2013-09-02 04:03:08 PM  
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"Subby, you can have my heart, but first you have to win the hearts of my children."
 
2013-09-02 04:03:49 PM  
Naming your kid "The Magnificent," rather than "Cody" or "Dylan," really starts them off right.
 
2013-09-02 04:15:34 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.


Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my head, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
 
2013-09-02 04:16:00 PM  
I've sunk 150 hours into Civ 5 and every game has been disappointing. Luckily i discovered Crusader Kings II and Europa Universalis to break the cycle of abuse.

/and Total War: Rome II is out tomorrow!
 
2013-09-02 04:30:58 PM  

New Farkin User Name: /ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?


It adds religion, reworks culture, new wonders, new social policies/ideologies. I'd say it'w worth it. And it is (I think) 50% off on amazon right now (or at least, it was 2 days ago when I got it).
 
2013-09-02 04:37:57 PM  
The only good Civ is Civ III.
 
2013-09-02 04:43:32 PM  
One of history's great rulers, doesn't really get the attention he deserves in the west.
 
2013-09-02 04:47:57 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]


You also need to have a look at Zrinyi's hat and popped collar. He was just THAT cool 450 years ago.

szigethvar.hu
 
2013-09-02 04:52:50 PM  

GWSuperfan: New Farkin User Name: /ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?

It adds religion, reworks culture, new wonders, new social policies/ideologies. I'd say it'w worth it. And it is (I think) 50% off on amazon right now (or at least, it was 2 days ago when I got it).


Religion was added in Gods and Kings

As for the AI thing, it's better and worse. The backstabs still happen, but less. The AI had to be taught to play a new game as the gold situation is very different in BNW. One way to avoid a war is to send a ton of trade routes into a civ that doesn't like you. If they're making enough off of them, they may reconsider declaring war. This isn't foolproof though, and not protection if you're too much of a jerk or really weak militarily.

The warmonger thing is changed in that it is now based on declaring war, and % of a civ's cities taken. If you bite off a piece of a large empire, it's less of a warmonger penalty. If you wipe someone out, you'll be facing the same situation as in previous versions of Civ 5.
 
2013-09-02 05:18:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: One of history's great rulers, doesn't really get the attention he deserves in the west.


He was great but you should be glad that he wasn't that great.

There were some big battles between the Ottomans and the Hungarians in those centuries. The most important events in Hungarian history are the victories against the Ottomans, such as the siege of Szigetvár, the siege of Eger, and the siege of Nándorfehérvár - which had such a great impact that the Pope himself ordered that the bells in all the churches should be ringing at noon each day to remember this event.

And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times? Had these battles have a different outcome, you (yes you) would be speaking a different language and praising Allah.
 
2013-09-02 05:32:13 PM  

traylor: And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times?


I'm just glad no one has mentioned the typo I made in the headline.
 
2013-09-02 05:33:56 PM  
You sound Hungarian.

Civ V BNW is really good, but some of the diplomacy is broken.  Start a war in the Ancient era?  Enjoy being labelled a 'warmonger' for the rest of the game!  From certain civs.

Also the military AI is still subpar.  But BNW finally made V 'stand the test of time' with the other civ games.
 
2013-09-02 05:39:29 PM  

Klivian: Religion was added in Gods and Kings


Ah, see- I went straight from stock CivV to BNW.
 
2013-09-02 06:02:47 PM  
Maybe they will find an extra "r" with the heart
 
2013-09-02 06:03:26 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: traylor: And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times?

I'm just glad no one has mentioned the typo I made in the headline.


better?
 
2013-09-02 06:08:12 PM  

johnny_vegas: Satanic_Hamster: traylor: And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times?

I'm just glad no one has mentioned the typo I made in the headline.

better?


Back OFF man.  I has English skills.
 
2013-09-02 06:10:07 PM  

traylor: The only good Civ is Civ III.


^ ^ ^
 
2013-09-02 06:23:26 PM  
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Look at the big brain on Suleiman.
 
2013-09-02 06:28:12 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]


We would never wear hats like that in the West.

No, we'd wear sensible hats.

i229.photobucket.com

On top of outlandish wigs.  But the hats were sensible.
 
2013-09-02 06:39:14 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: traylor: The only good Civ is Civ III.

^ ^ ^


If you like cleaning up pollution and global warming...
 
2013-09-02 06:42:45 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: I've sunk 150 hours into Civ 5 and every game has been disappointing. Luckily i discovered Crusader Kings II and Europa Universalis to break the cycle of abuse.

/and Total War: Rome II is out tomorrow!


What do you think of EU4? My impression of it is probably unfairly diminished by the fact that it runs like black tar on my laptop.
 
2013-09-02 06:44:16 PM  
I thought you needing to burn is at the temple of Ilmaterin order to free him from his geas.
 
2013-09-02 07:17:48 PM  
Klivian:

One way to avoid a war is to send a ton of trade routes into a civ that doesn't like you. If they're making enough off of them, they may reconsider declaring war. This isn't foolproof though, and not protection if you're too much of a jerk or really weak militarily.

On a playthrough as the English on a Mediterranean-shaped map, I struck a deal with America to invade neighboring Brazil, then saw the Yank troops annihilated by poor pathing toward the Brazilian capital. I stole Brazil from them, then got in a lengthy war with the Shoshone on my other border while my spies watched America rebuild. After taking down that empire, seeing the US military back in shape, and getting in debt from unhappiness and having everyone but the Americans hate me (they were hated for killing another civ off earlier), I gave a few Shoshone towns bordering a powerful Austria going for wonder spam and a weak-ass Gandhi to the Americans, hoping they'd go to war with them while I worked on a space victory path.

It worked, as the AI was busy fighting itself for the final three centuries.

As for those who skipped Gods & Kings, I found the AI leaders from G&K slightly better, and most seem to grasp the rule changes of BNW. Haile Selassie, William of Orange, and that city-state gobbling fat biatch from Austria are usually decent challengers (and Selassie has the best diplomacy music imo). BNW's Portugal is brain-dead though, which is sad considering Civ IV's Beyond The Sword's Joao II was a good AI opponent.

One thing I really hate though: You cannot enforce borders on foreign religious units. You have to kill missionaries or great prophets if you want to keep your faith's buffs on your cities. So yeah, holy wars are common.
 
2013-09-02 07:19:11 PM  
Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.
 
2013-09-02 07:43:19 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.


Many for Civ4 are amazing, but sadly nothing in the Civ5 offerings can convince me to play it instead.
 
2013-09-02 07:49:52 PM  

traylor: WhyteRaven74: One of history's great rulers, doesn't really get the attention he deserves in the west.

He was great but you should be glad that he wasn't that great.

There were some big battles between the Ottomans and the Hungarians in those centuries. The most important events in Hungarian history are the victories against the Ottomans, such as the siege of Szigetvár, the siege of Eger, and the siege of Nándorfehérvár - which had such a great impact that the Pope himself ordered that the bells in all the churches should be ringing at noon each day to remember this event.

And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times? Had these battles have a different outcome, you (yes you) would be speaking a different language and praising Allah.


Not sure that scenario would have been any worse for the Jews in that area than the one that did play out.
 
2013-09-02 07:54:47 PM  

andrewagill: We would never wear hats like that in the West. No, we'd wear sensible hats.


www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-09-02 08:03:43 PM  

New Farkin User Name: /ive heard that  A Brave New World fixes Civ V's hopelessly retarded AI diplomacy, is it worth it?


They're not pants-on-head retarded any longer, but it's better. Though as far as Diplomacy goes, it's still mostly all about getting and keeping the City States in your good graces.
 
2013-09-02 08:05:22 PM  

evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]


I wear a turban now. Turbans are cool...
 
2013-09-02 08:06:35 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.


Infoaddict is amazing, never again must you spend ten minutes each turn trying to remember vague diplomatic relations and military strengths in the case you are asked to go to war.
 
2013-09-02 08:14:27 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Practical_Draconian: Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.

Infoaddict is amazing, never again must you spend ten minutes each turn trying to remember vague diplomatic relations and military strengths in the case you are asked to go to war.


Oh man I hate that, when asked to go to war with a civ but I don't know what their relations are with other civs/states or the current military strength of my partner.
 
2013-09-02 08:28:06 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: What do you think of EU4? My impression of it is probably unfairly diminished by the fact that it runs like black tar on my laptop.


It's ok. Better than the last one in the series in my opinion or at least the controls are clearer. I think the series is good but you remember to keep your goals more modest. I'm annoyed by my inability to save the Byzantines from the Ottomans no matter how many times I replay it. Not one of my allies ever come to my aid.

Oddly it runs much better on my computer than EU3 did.
 
2013-09-02 09:53:35 PM  

traylor: The only good Civ is Civ III.


Sure, if you like a hard-coded limit of 254 cities.

I prefer Civ4 with RoM mod. Except for all the crashes though.
 
2013-09-02 09:59:09 PM  

Arkanaut: evilchode: I wish hats like this were still in style. I totally have the head and mustache to pull it off.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x401]

But are the doorways in your home low enough to pass through? (Or the ceilings for that matter)


that's why u have to have those arabian arches, to fit through perfectly
 
2013-09-02 10:16:54 PM  
Cultural victory is fine, except for the one jackass who pours all effort into science and cracks the atom by the 1400s.

/Nuclear war is great when you're the only nuclear power
 
2013-09-02 10:27:07 PM  
Cultural victory is all well and good, but there's been several times I took Suleiman's heart for a conquest victory.
 
2013-09-02 11:10:28 PM  
you can actually play a standard pace deity culture game into the mid-300 turns now which is kind of crazy.  and outside of deity, you can use the Sacred Sites exploit to win a culture vic sub t150.  tourism is definitely a mechanic they will patch/nerf very soon.  diplo is different but still silly.  AI is kind of better, but getting votes is just too damn easy.  you can win that at deity without trying to.  its the victory condition you settled for whether you wanted to or not.  and the new changes to domination are refreshing.  just because someone else took a capital doesnt mean you no longer have.  YOU have to take (and keep) each capital regardless of its current owner.

just pray you dont have Zulu right next to you.  the infinite waves of Impi are easily the most obnoxious new thing in BNW.

/assume standard pace/map/settings for everything i just said
 
2013-09-02 11:39:15 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Practical_Draconian: Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.

Infoaddict is amazing, never again must you spend ten minutes each turn trying to remember vague diplomatic relations and military strengths in the case you are asked to go to war.


Is there a version that runs with both expansions? I can only seem to find one for g&k
 
2013-09-02 11:58:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: traylor: And why should you be glad that the Hungarians stopped them so many times?

I'm just glad no one has mentioned the typo I made in the headline.


I added the 'r' for you.

Researches search for Suleiman the Magnificent's heart, which subby assumes they need for a cult rural victory in Civ5
 
2013-09-03 12:08:29 AM  

Practical_Draconian: One thing I really hate though: You cannot enforce borders on foreign religious units. You have to kill missionaries or great prophets if you want to keep your faith's buffs on your cities. So yeah, holy wars are common.


well, you can use an irritating amount of units to block the tiles touching your city or micromanage the hell out of 3 units every turn rather than taking them for a war.  and that's per city.  when i play tall 2-4 city games its easy but a damn nightmare when i get 6+.

and yeah, the headline now has Neil Diamond stuck in my head.
 
2013-09-03 02:03:02 AM  
Still no cure for Monty.

/since Civ1 for DOS
 
Skr
2013-09-03 03:57:25 AM  
Brave New World is definitely a worthwhile expansion to pick up. Besides the Info Addict, I highly recommend a few other Mods.

Ingame Editor "IGE" Breathes a lot of life into the game. Can set things up to play the game exactly as you want, for ease or challenge.

Expansionism makes the AI go after more land. Without it, the AI tends to turtle more and stay at 3 or 4 settlements far longer than it should.

Falcon AI: Diplomacy the Warmongering/denouncing is borked in pretty much all versions of Civ V. This mod makes it less clumsy among other things.

A few other good ones out there, but those are the main ones I'd recommend.

(on a side note I really don't like how allies are handled in Civ V in comparison to Civ IV. Could actually guide your Ally a bit in Civ IV. For this reason alone I enjoy Civ IV more than V)
/That's nobody's business but the Turks
 
2013-09-03 06:24:40 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Practical_Draconian: Anyone try Civ mods btw? I kind of want to try the Beavis & Butthead civ mod and see how close you can make Idiocracy happen. Also waiting for a good modern Israel mod. Seen there's mods to put diplomacy scores to see how much they really hate you and another mod that brings back Civ IV options.

Many for Civ4 are amazing, but sadly nothing in the Civ5 offerings can convince me to play it instead.


AFAIK Civ5 just can't be modded to the same degree as Civ4, because the community doesn't have DLL access so they're left with modding the things Firaxis has allowed to be modded. This still allows for fixing some bugs and making some pretty extensive changes, but it is still a Civ5 game - you can't add or modify the mechanics, only the numbers.

And I expect we'll never get to that point simply because of steam integration. Or maybe that's not a problem and Firaxis just wants to make money on stuff before the community starts churning out new, more extensive, different and better content than Firaxis can do - for free.
 
2013-09-03 06:47:58 AM  
That's nice, where's my goddamn SMAC 2, Sid???
 
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