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2013-09-02 10:03:28 PM  

simplicimus: Don't get the reference, but I'm older, greyer,not as clean cut and a little more hefty. I do like french cuffs and cufflinks, but the shirt collar is hideous.


www.rewindreviews.com
 
2013-09-02 10:10:58 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: simplicimus: Don't get the reference, but I'm older, greyer,not as clean cut and a little more hefty. I do like french cuffs and cufflinks, but the shirt collar is hideous.

[www.rewindreviews.com image 400x291]


Goodfellas? More hideous shirt collars?
 
2013-09-02 10:13:02 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher:  Still trolling for attention.

Yawn.  Run along now.

We're gonna run with our usual game of you attempting to save face without addressing anything? That's always fun.

Oh yeah, I forgot this is some kind of prestige thing for you. 

Ok, just so you can go away happy I concede you won the internet on something I never said.


nah, I just like arguing on the internet. It's fun. It becomes not fun when it becomes a lame attempt at saving face which is what it pretty much invariably becomes with you. OK, you win. Whatever. You're boring.
 
2013-09-02 10:13:49 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.


go away, Phil.
 
2013-09-02 10:14:30 PM  

simplicimus: Goodfellas? More hideous shirt collars?


Yep.  Jimmy Two Times, said everything two times.

simplicimus: The standing army was created was created by an act of congress.

 
2013-09-02 10:16:43 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: simplicimus: Goodfellas? More hideous shirt collars?

Yep.  Jimmy Two Times, said everything two times.

simplicimus: The standing army was created was created by an act of congress.


But not a constitutional amendment.
But not a constitutional amendment.
 
2013-09-02 10:20:25 PM  

skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.


nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.
 
2013-09-02 10:22:19 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.


I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me
 
2013-09-02 10:26:34 PM  

skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me


Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.
 
2013-09-02 10:32:53 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.


that's much more fitting your MO. Keep up with your bad self, Canader.
 
2013-09-02 10:58:15 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.


Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.
 
2013-09-02 11:04:18 PM  

Selena Luna: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.

Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.


no, you see, he was just making a biting criticism of the American bogeyman as he crosses the Canadian countryside astride his 28 point moose, Gretsky, defending his noble, happy brethren from the barbarians at the gates to the South.
 
2013-09-02 11:22:22 PM  

skullkrusher: Selena Luna: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.

Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.

no, you see, he was just making a biting criticism of the American bogeyman as he crosses the Canadian countryside astride his 28 point moose, Gretsky, defending his noble, happy brethren from the barbarians at the gates to the South.


Hooboy. That was a nice generalization. Where do they worship Gretsky? Tim Hortons?
 
2013-09-02 11:24:56 PM  

Selena Luna: skullkrusher: Selena Luna: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.

Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.

no, you see, he was just making a biting criticism of the American bogeyman as he crosses the Canadian countryside astride his 28 point moose, Gretsky, defending his noble, happy brethren from the barbarians at the gates to the South.

Hooboy. That was a nice generalization. Where do they worship Gretsky? Tim Hortons?


Celine Dion concerts.
 
2013-09-02 11:25:49 PM  

skullkrusher: Selena Luna: skullkrusher: Selena Luna: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.

Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.

no, you see, he was just making a biting criticism of the American bogeyman as he crosses the Canadian countryside astride his 28 point moose, Gretsky, defending his noble, happy brethren from the barbarians at the gates to the South.

Hooboy. That was a nice generalization. Where do they worship Gretsky? Tim Hortons?

Celine Dion concerts.


Well, I guess that is sort of like gospel music. If you're really bad at gospel.
 
2013-09-02 11:35:23 PM  

Selena Luna: skullkrusher: Selena Luna: skullkrusher: Selena Luna: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: skullkrusher: Phil Moskowitz: Imagine how Mike Wallace feels about his sniveling coont of a son? I could handle gay, underachiever, alcoholic, but this human fecal vessel? I'd never speak to him.

go away, Phil.

nothing registers in your brain, does it? You're just this empty pissed off nothing.

I registered that you included gay in your list of undesirable traits. So you're a bad dad who would regard that as alcoholism or underachiever, no need to lash out at me

Oh Christ, and this is me trying cope with the average American. Don't you farking people hate gays? Aren't you "disappointed" when your loinfruit end up liking the same sex? I'm sorry I'm a Canadian trying relate to you trash.

Only bad people hate gays. Only bad parents are disappointed when their children are gay. So, if you're conflating being gay with traits that are negative, including being alcoholic, then you would be a bad person and a bad parent.

no, you see, he was just making a biting criticism of the American bogeyman as he crosses the Canadian countryside astride his 28 point moose, Gretsky, defending his noble, happy brethren from the barbarians at the gates to the South.

Hooboy. That was a nice generalization. Where do they worship Gretsky? Tim Hortons?

Celine Dion concerts.

Well, I guess that is sort of like gospel music. If you're really bad at gospel.


I actually took the wife to see her in Vegas earlier this summer. Not as incredibly awful as I had feared. It was incredibly awful but I was imagining far worse.
 
2013-09-03 12:06:03 AM  

A Terrible Human: Nope,nope,nope,nope,nope. No more farking wars in the middle east. Let them farking sort it out.


"We've shiat in your punchbowl and you're not even grateful. Fine, sort it out yourself!"
 
2013-09-03 02:25:15 AM  

simplicimus: Satanic_Hamster: simplicimus: Goodfellas? More hideous shirt collars?

Yep.  Jimmy Two Times, said everything two times.

simplicimus: The standing army was created was created by an act of congress.

But not a constitutional amendment.
But not a constitutional amendment.


did you have a point or are you just a troll?
the constitution grants congress the power to make "laws" ...
those acts of congress are constitutionally legal, until SCOTUS says otherwise
 
2013-09-03 04:12:06 AM  

skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.


Yep. And if he does, America is not going to lose anything. Not prestige, not influence and not friends. Among the people of the world at least. We'll get the silly farks goin 'Amurica is weak Amurica is weak!!!' And well.... they're silly farks.

"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
Samuel P. Huntington

The west has been interfering in the ME for centuries. Not much good has come from it. How about we give them the opportunity to forget, or at least perhaps forgive. Time to let them sort it.
 
2013-09-03 04:52:25 AM  

skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: Conservatives: "If Obama strikes Syrian government targets, he'll be fighting on the side of Al-Qaeda... but if he asks Congress to give their blessing, he's being weak."

Lunatics.

perhaps. Both also true, however.

Clearly, assisting the rebels will be siding with the side AQ is on. Asking Congress to make the decision takes the hard choice out of his hands. Ergo, being weak.


It's more like hedging bets than being weak. Imagine you're this poor dumb bastard: You make precision strikes that everyone seems to love these days, except the targets are being moved near schools and other collateral damage. You do nothing, and are called a pussy. You do something else and you indirectly aid AQ. No matter what you do, the media skewers you for it. Putting it to Congress is the only smart move here, even if it seems like a cop-out. It's exactly what I'd do if I were a professional politician. Obama might appear to be passing the buck but it's a hell of a lot better than ANY decision he hands down himself.

Sometimes that's just how the world works, son. It's chess with higher stakes. You know this, Scully. .
 
2013-09-03 06:54:23 AM  

dickfreckle: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: Conservatives: "If Obama strikes Syrian government targets, he'll be fighting on the side of Al-Qaeda... but if he asks Congress to give their blessing, he's being weak."

Lunatics.

perhaps. Both also true, however.

Clearly, assisting the rebels will be siding with the side AQ is on. Asking Congress to make the decision takes the hard choice out of his hands. Ergo, being weak.

It's more like hedging bets than being weak. Imagine you're this poor dumb bastard: You make precision strikes that everyone seems to love these days, except the targets are being moved near schools and other collateral damage. You do nothing, and are called a pussy. You do something else and you indirectly aid AQ. No matter what you do, the media skewers you for it. Putting it to Congress is the only smart move here, even if it seems like a cop-out. It's exactly what I'd do if I were a professional politician. Obama might appear to be passing the buck but it's a hell of a lot better than ANY decision he hands down himself.

Sometimes that's just how the world works, son. It's chess with higher stakes. You know this, Scully. .


Refusing to make the tough choice because of how people will react is almost a textbook definition of being weak, Dickie. You can call it political savvy if you'd like but to threaten the use of force and then not be willing to make the decision to use it... Weak.

If he truly believed that getting congressional approval was the proper thing to do and that was his motivation, I'd say that was a fine display of leadership. No one actually thinks that's what's going on though.
 
2013-09-03 07:27:49 AM  
The Syrian government is not Islamist. I don't even get this headline.
 
2013-09-03 08:18:25 AM  

2wolves: Alphax: simplicimus: Princess Ryans Knickers: Well FOX News is owned by a Muslim soo....

Sunni or Shia?

Saudi prince, so Sunni.

Could be Wahabi,


Or a Sushi.
 
2013-09-03 08:38:45 AM  

skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.


It seems silly to me to say that it is clear that he has reservations about striking Syria (and I agree that it is clear), that you agree with those reservations, but criticize him as being an empty suit only for not coming out and publicly stating those reservations. There is literally nothing worth while to be gained by doing so... other than perhaps eliminating the criticism of some that he is an empty suit, which I would imagine is not even on his radar of considerations.

I don't want him to get involved. If we end up not getting involved, I don't really care how that came to pass.
 
2013-09-03 10:13:19 AM  

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.

It seems silly to me to say that it is clear that he has reservations about striking Syria (and I agree that it is clear), that you agree with those reservations, but criticize him as being an empty suit only for not coming out and publicly stating those reservations. There is literally nothing worth while to be gained by doing so... other than perhaps eliminating the criticism of some that he is an empty suit, which I would imagine is not even on his radar of considerations.

I don't want him to get involved. If we end up not getting involved, I don't really care how that came to pass.


Personally I'd prefer every President look "weak" by putting military action up for a Congressional vote rather than bypassing them with an executive order. It's how our government should work unless you like the idea of an imperial Predident.

But this is SK and he wants attention so there's that.
 
2013-09-03 10:17:31 AM  

wasteofspace: The west has been interfering in the ME for centuries. Not much good has come from it. How about we give them the opportunity to forget, or at least perhaps forgive. Time to let them sort it.


Are you kidding? They haven't even forgiven each other for a couple thousand years.
 
2013-09-03 12:48:14 PM  

namatad: simplicimus: Satanic_Hamster: simplicimus: Goodfellas? More hideous shirt collars?

Yep.  Jimmy Two Times, said everything two times.

simplicimus: The standing army was created was created by an act of congress.

But not a constitutional amendment.
But not a constitutional amendment.

did you have a point or are you just a troll?
the constitution grants congress the power to make "laws" ...
those acts of congress are constitutionally legal, until SCOTUS says otherwise


Mostly, just playing. OD'd on too many mis-representations of what's Constitutional vs. Legal in previous Syria threads. Too damn much "Only Congress can declare war" and thus Libya was an impeachable offense and so would action in Syria. Just trying to excise some of the stupid I ran into.
 
2013-09-03 02:15:55 PM  
It sounds like Fox is saying that Obama showed weakness by seeking the approval of congress, as required by the constiution--precisely what they criticized him for not doing in Libya.
 
2013-09-03 03:41:35 PM  

Infernalist: Just as an aside, AJ America is doing a great job of covering all kinds of stuff that you don't see on CNN or just about anywhere else.

I'd highly recommend that if you have a chance, sit down and watch it every now and again.  It reminds me of what news used to be like, say, 20 years ago.


I was just saying that to a few of my friends.  then i go to work and i hear from all the teahadists that America is doomed bc of a station that they have never watched
 
2013-09-03 09:10:36 PM  

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.

It seems silly to me to say that it is clear that he has reservations about striking Syria (and I agree that it is clear), that you agree with those reservations, but criticize him as being an empty suit only for not coming out and publicly stating those reservations. There is literally nothing worth while to be gained by doing so... other than perhaps eliminating the criticism of some that he is an empty suit, which I would imagine is not even on his radar of considerations.

I don't want him to get involved. If we end up not getting involved, I don't really care how that came to pass.


He has reservations to the point where he clearly does not want the strike to happen yet he abdicates his responsibility in preventing that from happening because of what? Political expediency?

He can't say "The situation in Syria has evolved and we need to consider all options and weigh the ramifications of any actions the US takes"? Instead he says "I really wanna attack Syria and I have the authority to order it but I'm gonna ask Congress for cover so I don't have to"

Yeah, that's some wicked farking weaksauce,
 
2013-09-03 09:12:59 PM  

Fart_Machine: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.

It seems silly to me to say that it is clear that he has reservations about striking Syria (and I agree that it is clear), that you agree with those reservations, but criticize him as being an empty suit only for not coming out and publicly stating those reservations. There is literally nothing worth while to be gained by doing so... other than perhaps eliminating the criticism of some that he is an empty suit, which I would imagine is not even on his radar of considerations.

I don't want him to get involved. If we end up not getting involved, I don't really care how that came to pass.

Personally I'd prefer every President look "weak" by putting military action up for a Congressional vote rather than bypassing them with an executive order. It's how our government should work unless you like the idea of an imperial Predident.

But this is SK and he wants attention so there's that.


hahaha, yeah, because he's asking Congress for authorization because it's the right thing to do.
Guy talked tough. Guy is not clearly passing the buck to Congress. This is not lost on ANYONE. You'll cheer it though because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do.
 
2013-09-03 09:13:45 PM  

skullkrusher: hahaha, yeah, because he's asking Congress for authorization because it's the right thing to do.
Guy talked tough. Guy is not now clearly passing the buck to Congress. This is not lost on ANYONE. You'll cheer it though because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do.

 
2013-09-03 09:45:25 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: the_dude_abides: skullkrusher: If Obama does X is must be defended as 30th derivative multi-dimensional chess

no man, you don't GET it. he's not just thinking 10 moves ahead, he's thinking 20 moves ahead. because he's like, a genius and stuff. smartest guy in the room. he knows more about policy than his policy guys. the long game, bro, the LONG game. whoa... i just blew my own mind. need to go sit down for a while, brb.

it's amazing. Honestly, he objectively looks stupid in this regard. Talked of redlines and enormous consequences and now faced with the decision, he punts the choice to Congress. If he has reservations about striking Syria and it is quite clear that he does and I agree with those reservations, sack up and say so. He looks like the empty suit he has been wrongfully accused of being for the past 5+ years.

It seems silly to me to say that it is clear that he has reservations about striking Syria (and I agree that it is clear), that you agree with those reservations, but criticize him as being an empty suit only for not coming out and publicly stating those reservations. There is literally nothing worth while to be gained by doing so... other than perhaps eliminating the criticism of some that he is an empty suit, which I would imagine is not even on his radar of considerations.

I don't want him to get involved. If we end up not getting involved, I don't really care how that came to pass.

Personally I'd prefer every President look "weak" by putting military action up for a Congressional vote rather than bypassing them with an executive order. It's how our government should work unless you like the idea of an imperial Predident.

But this is SK and he wants attention so there's that.

hahaha, yeah, because he's asking Congress for authorization because it's the right thing to do.
Guy talked tough. Guy is not clearly passing the buck to Congress. This is not lost on ANYONE. You'll cheer it though because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do.


I don't care about the reason behind it. I care that it should be the norm for military action regardless of whomever is in office. But please keep pitching up those strawman and knocking them down. You're winning the Internet!
 
2013-09-03 09:58:37 PM  

Fart_Machine: I don't care about the reason behind it. I care that it should be the norm for military action regardless of whomever is in office. But please keep pitching up those strawman and knocking them down. You're winning the Internet!


sure it should be. It should be how it always works except in rare circumstances where immediate action is required. However, that's not why Obama is passing the buck acting with respect for the separation of powers and limits on executive reach. You are just really, really, really upset that I mentioned that. Because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do. Like I said.
 
2013-09-03 10:10:47 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: I don't care about the reason behind it. I care that it should be the norm for military action regardless of whomever is in office. But please keep pitching up those strawman and knocking them down. You're winning the Internet!

sure it should be. It should be how it always works except in rare circumstances where immediate action is required. However, that's not why Obama is passing the buck acting with respect for the separation of powers and limits on executive reach. You are just really, really, really upset that I mentioned that. Because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do. Like I said.


I'm really really really upset? Well that's interesting. I'm actually laughing at all your dick waving trying to create a strawman narrative. Just for the attention. Like I said.

Please continue. :)
 
2013-09-03 10:30:39 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: I don't care about the reason behind it. I care that it should be the norm for military action regardless of whomever is in office. But please keep pitching up those strawman and knocking them down. You're winning the Internet!

sure it should be. It should be how it always works except in rare circumstances where immediate action is required. However, that's not why Obama is passing the buck acting with respect for the separation of powers and limits on executive reach. You are just really, really, really upset that I mentioned that. Because you're a cheerleader and that's what you don't get paid to do. Like I said.

I'm really really really upset? Well that's interesting. I'm actually laughing at all your dick waving trying to create a strawman narrative. Just for the attention. Like I said.

Please continue. :)


studies show that people who say they are laughing on the internet are actually crying on the inside.
 
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