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2013-09-02 11:20:43 AM  
i151.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-02 11:21:32 AM  
I remember when it was called Quantum Leap. Or the Time Tunnel. Or Journey Man. Or....
 
2013-09-02 11:24:24 AM  
I might be biased because 12 monkeys is one of my all time favorite movies.. but yeah that sounds retarded.
 
2013-09-02 11:25:03 AM  
awful movie.
 
2013-09-02 11:27:15 AM  

BalugaJoe: awful movie.


Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.
 
2013-09-02 11:38:05 AM  
FTA:  who both worked on Fox sci-fi series Terra Nova

Good god, those people are still alive?
 
2013-09-02 11:43:28 AM  

BalugaJoe: awful movie.


I actually really liked it.
 
2013-09-02 11:53:55 AM  
The Woody Allen selection is kinda awful -- a list created by people who just like his "early, funnier" films.

His second best film from the 1970s -- after Annie Hall -- is Manhattan, which isn't on this list. And his third best comedy after Annie Hall and Manhattan is Bullets Over Broadway (I'm don't consider Hannah and Her Sisters and Crimes and Misdemeanors comedies).
 
2013-09-02 11:54:51 AM  
THANK YOU!
 
2013-09-02 11:55:20 AM  

thornhill: The Woody Allen selection is kinda awful -- a list created by people who just like his "early, funnier" films.

His second best film from the 1970s -- after Annie Hall -- is Manhattan, which isn't on this list. And his third best comedy after Annie Hall and Manhattan is Bullets Over Broadway (I'm don't consider Hannah and Her Sisters and Crimes and Misdemeanors comedies).


Oy, wrong thread. This is what I get for multiple tabs.
 
2013-09-02 11:58:22 AM  

GibbyTheMole: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

I actually really liked it.



Love it, a favorite...but this remains his best:

s3.amazonaws.com

/especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...
 
2013-09-02 12:00:31 PM  
I enjoy Gilliam's films immensely - they're always imaginative, unique, entertaining and scrupulously avoid the typical boring Hollywood plot formulas.   Even when his films fall short, its never for lack of outstanding creativity or humor.
 
2013-09-02 12:02:53 PM  
Yes...dumb idea.  As dumb as making King's The Dome into a series.
 
2013-09-02 12:23:18 PM  

PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical only ending

 
2013-09-02 12:32:16 PM  
I guess it could be interesting if it's set in the same universe, but not really the same story... but I'm betting it's crap either way.
 
2013-09-02 12:46:06 PM  

John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.


You almost got me.
 
2013-09-02 01:08:26 PM  

PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...


The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.


i53.tinypic.com

I still don't understand why people do this.
 
2013-09-02 01:22:53 PM  

blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.


So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.
 
2013-09-02 01:25:57 PM  
John Buck 41: blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.

So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.



I agree - a different opinion about Gilliam doesn't make to a troll - it just makes you wrong.
 
2013-09-02 01:34:30 PM  
John Buck 41:
So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.

"Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me."

I've bolded the part that sure seemed like a troll to me.
 
2013-09-02 01:37:45 PM  
I enjoyed the movie
Several times in fact

But, don't think it's a good idea for a series
Same with under the dome

UTD was suppose to be a mini-series and then they extended it because of ratings
it'll get really stupid befor they finally end it
 
2013-09-02 01:44:09 PM  

blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.


Because some people have opinions that differ from yours?

/love me some Terry Gilliam
 
2013-09-02 01:45:45 PM  

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41:
So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.

"Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me."

I've bolded the part that sure seemed like a troll to me.


I thought he was entertaining in Holy Grail

 

karnal: John Buck 41: blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.

So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.


I agree - a different opinion about Gilliam doesn't make to a troll - it just makes you wrong.


As are you. But thanks for at least admitting I'm not a troll
 
2013-09-02 01:50:08 PM  
Great movie.  I don't know the people involved in the teevee version, so I can't speak to that, but the idea in general sounds bad.

As pointed out earlier, the idea of "going back in time to fix things" isn't something terribly new, so tying it to 12 Monkeys seems to be more about marketing/publicity than anything.
 
2013-09-02 01:53:34 PM  

PizzaJedi81: GibbyTheMole: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

I actually really liked it.


Love it, a favorite...but this remains his best:

[s3.amazonaws.com image 348x490]

/especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...


I love Brazil, too, but 12 Monkeys is the best gateway drug for those who want to cultivate an interest in Gilliam's work. It's close enough to being a mainstream film that it won't blow your mind totally, but his trademark wackiness and creativity are still present and accounted for.
 
2013-09-02 02:01:07 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: I love Brazil, too, but 12 Monkeys is the best gateway drug for those who want to cultivate an interest in Gilliam's work. It's close enough to being a mainstream film that it won't blow your mind totally, but his trademark wackiness and creativity are still present and accounted for.


I dunno.  The Fisher King might be closer to that mark, and a lot more emotional, too.

On the other end, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus just went off the rails.  I have no idea what truly happened in that movie.  Entertaining, but I definitely need to see that multiple times to really get it.
 
2013-09-02 02:02:00 PM  
don't do it syfy,  go back to making movies about komodo dragons taking over the world by making meteors hit the earth
 
2013-09-02 02:03:03 PM  
Mr. Gilliam doesn't do lowest common denominator.
 
2013-09-02 02:03:30 PM  

John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.


Even Time Bandits? Time Bandits is farking awesome.
 
2013-09-02 02:09:47 PM  

TheOriginalEd: I might be biased because 12 monkeys is one of my all time favorite movies.. but yeah that sounds retarded.


I dunno, he described it as "just basically Time Bandits", that sounds farking awesome.
 
2013-09-02 02:10:49 PM  
10. Tideland (2005)
9. The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus (2009)
8. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)
7. Jabberwocky (1977)
6. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1974)
5. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998)
4. The Fisher King (1991)
3. Twelve Monkeys (1995)
2. Time Bandits (1981)
1. Brazil (1985)
 
2013-09-02 02:11:22 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Great movie.  I don't know the people involved in the teevee version, so I can't speak to that, but the idea in general sounds bad.

As pointed out earlier, the idea of "going back in time to fix things" isn't something terribly new, so tying it to 12 Monkeys seems to be more about marketing/publicity than anything.


Doesn't SYFY already have "Continuum"?
And I like Terry Gilliam films, just for the audacity of his visuals. Brazil is one of my favorite films.
/Also like Videodrome, just so you know my tastes.
 
2013-09-02 02:33:57 PM  
12 Monkeys is up there with On The Beach, The Mist, and Arlington Road for good "bad endings" in movies I loved.  12 Monkeys also did time travel right.

I need to see Brazil.

/haven't seen enough movies for the tastes of the people in this thread
 
2013-09-02 02:39:36 PM  

Myria: I need to see Brazil.


When you do, make sure it is either the European or American theatrical edit, and not the made-for-TV Sheinberg/"Love Conquers All" edit.
 
2013-09-02 03:43:42 PM  

TheOriginalEd: I might be biased because 12 monkeys is one of my all time favorite movies.. but yeah that sounds retarded.


I'd be inclined to agree, but Hannibal was actually a great TV series.  So I might give 12 monkeys a chance.

/ Just watched 12 Monkeys again last night.  Willis and Pitt at their best.
 
2013-09-02 03:50:15 PM  

Thunderboy: Myria: I need to see Brazil.

When you do, make sure it is either the European or American theatrical edit, and not the made-for-TV Sheinberg/"Love Conquers All" edit.


IMHO, the American theatrical edit is actually the best version, and it's hard to find.

Without revealing too much to Myria, the EU version has a scene between the bag-over-the-head and finding himself in the chair, in which Lowry is visited (where he's being held) by Mr. Helpmann in a Santa suit. That scene defuses - to a disastrous degree - the shock effect of the bag being removed from Lowry's head in the next scene.

Believe it or not, the Criterion releases do NOT contain this version, even though they do include the nobody-ever-want-to-see-it-again "Love Conquers All" edit shown on television that literally destroys the whole theme of the movie by chopping off the ending.

The Amazon Instant Video version may be the American theatrical edition as it says it's 133m (which is only 1m longer than the official runtime of the American theatrical release).

And it looks like the Blu-Ray from 2011 is the American cut too.

But every other version currently for sale is the EU cut with the extra scene that kills the flow of the climax.

/Yes, I disagree with Gilliam
 
2013-09-02 03:53:22 PM  
I don't think its a terrible idea, but you need the right network to make it not terrible. I think something like HBO, FX or Showtime with a hard 10-12 episode per season cap could pull it off.

Any normal network is just going miscast the Madeleine Stowe character and skew her too young as filler for the long tv season and lack of mature episode content and it will end up being the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
 
2013-09-02 04:30:42 PM  
That 'Imaginarium' movie was a waste of time.  He and Ridley Scott need to retire and let us remember them for their good movies.
 
2013-09-02 04:42:31 PM  
When you do, make sure it is either the European or American theatrical edit, and not the made-for-TV Sheinberg/"Love Conquers All" edit.

my DVD has both, and both are interesting, but his cut is fantastic
 
2013-09-02 05:29:31 PM  

PizzaJedi81: GibbyTheMole: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

I actually really liked it.


Love it, a favorite...but this remains his best:

[s3.amazonaws.com image 348x490]

/especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...


This - except the slashies part.
 
2013-09-02 05:39:13 PM  

John Buck 41: blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.

So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.


Haven't you heard? That's the new Fark definition of a troll. People got tired of posting the old "Stop liking what I don't like" so they kicked it up a notch. Now, if someone posts an opinion you don't agree with, they can officially be called a troll.
 
2013-09-02 05:57:41 PM  

PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...


The theatrical ending was Gilliam's original ending.  The only place you were likely to see the studio's Love Conquers All ending was where I saw it: on UHF TV in the mid-1980s, where the studio could edit movies for time to insert commercial breaks and it made (economic) sense to use the shorter cut of the film.
 
2013-09-02 05:59:46 PM  
Came in thinking this was going to be about a reboot of Lancelot Link Secret Chimp.

Leaving disappointed.
 
2013-09-02 06:22:56 PM  
Baron munchausen is very underrated.
 
2013-09-02 06:46:13 PM  
US cable network Syfy

0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-09-02 07:35:00 PM  

Tannhauser: That 'Imaginarium' movie was a waste of time.  He and Ridley Scott need to retire and let us remember them for their good movies.


To each their own,
 
2013-09-02 07:37:47 PM  

ReapTheChaos: John Buck 41: blue_2501: PizzaJedi81: /especially love the theatrical ending
//c'mon, take the bait...

The non-LCA ending?  (Love Conquers All)  Yes, that would be my favorite, even if it was kinda depressing.  The message was that the world was so fraked up that the only way to escape was in the delusions in his head.  It's not dissimilar to how 1984 ended, which was partly what Brazil was based on.

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: BalugaJoe: awful movie.

Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

You almost got me.

[i53.tinypic.com image 627x1123]

I still don't understand why people do this.

So, a different opinion on a director means I'm trolling? Good f*cking grief.

Haven't you heard? That's the new Fark definition of a troll. People got tired of posting the old "Stop liking what I don't like" so they kicked it up a notch. Now, if someone posts an opinion you don't agree with, they can officially be called a troll.


No, he's a troll because Gilliam has directed almost everything he's written, so to say "he's an OK writer" followed by "everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me" is patently absurd as his writing and directing always go hand-in-hand, and to say he's an OK actor is just as ridiculous since he's never had any notable acting roles - just peripheral supporting parts in Monty Python movies and a few cameos.
 
2013-09-02 07:39:42 PM  

John Buck 41: Agreed. Gilliam is an ok writer and actor but everything he's directed has wayyyyy underwhelmed me.

 
2013-09-02 07:51:09 PM  
Maybe if the series is done entirely with still photos.
 
2013-09-02 07:51:42 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: his writing and directing always go hand-in-hand


You're suggesting he can be as talented in one field as another? Really? Jesus Christ, I can't remember the last time I've debated on Fark with more obtuse people than those I've run into (not literally) in this f*cking thread.
 
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