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(Onion AV Club)   Proof that drummers aren't innovative: fifteen songs that "borrow" the drum intro to Be My Baby   (avclub.com) divider line 93
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2013-09-02 10:11:02 AM  
I know exactly four artists on that list.  And I don't farking care about the other eleven, especially the one singing "Perfection as a Hipster."

\as Turnstilesis my favorite Billy Joel album, I knew I would see that on the list the second the headline registered in my head
 
2013-09-02 10:26:25 AM  
First off, that's not proof, and second, I can't even imagine, in a purple world with a green sun, giving a shiat if drummers are innovative.
 
2013-09-02 10:35:39 AM  
Google "amen break drums".  It is likely the most copied drum sequence ever. Once you ID it, ypu hear it everywhere.
 
2013-09-02 10:38:26 AM  
The Amen Break would like a word with you, subby.
 
2013-09-02 10:53:55 AM  

lindseyp: The Amen Break would like a word with you, subby.


I was at a blues club this past weekend. The drummer soloed one song and was a blur. Amazing to watch. And as the designated driver I was quite sober.
 
2013-09-02 10:58:18 AM  
Concrete Blonde - Joey
 
2013-09-02 10:59:48 AM  
Not for nothing, but it's not always the drummer who's making the decisions. Often it's the producer or the songwriter making the decisions.
 
2013-09-02 11:08:55 AM  
Old joke: How can you tell if the stage is level?

Drool is coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.
 
2013-09-02 11:34:05 AM  
In the original Ronettes  version that wasn't a drum. It was Phil Spector  in the studio pistol whipping and shooting his gun off.
Whip, whip, whip boom.
 
2013-09-02 11:40:48 AM  

lindseyp: The Amen Break would like a word with you, subby.


This is lengthy, but very interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac
 
2013-09-02 11:46:51 AM  
Wow - a list of mostly obscure hipster bands borrowing shiat. Yawn.

/Where did I leave my farks? I can't find any to give!
 
2013-09-02 11:51:53 AM  

MrBallou: Old joke: How can you tell if the stage is level?

Drool is coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.


How can you tell the person knocking on your door is a drummer?

It keeps getting faster.
 
2013-09-02 11:51:56 AM  
on a different note, Ronnie Spector's Autobio is DAMN good!  After reading it, I both HATE and admire the man known as Phil Spector.
 
2013-09-02 11:52:30 AM  
I know subby's trolling, but if you want innovation, just listen to Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carter Beauford, Steve Gadd, Terry Bozzio, or John Blackwell Jr. for starters. There are many others.
 
2013-09-02 11:52:37 AM  
FriarReb98:\as Turnstilesis my favorite Billy Joel album, I knew I would see that on the list the second the headline registered in my head

They say that these are not the best of drums, but they're the only drums I've ever known
 
2013-09-02 11:55:59 AM  
Next up: Fifteen obscure books by artists you  might recognize that start with "Once upon a time..."
 
2013-09-02 11:57:56 AM  
Borrowing from Hal Blaine is acceptable.


/Don't show subby the Purdie shuffle.
 
2013-09-02 11:58:10 AM  
How do you get a drummer off your front porch?

Pay him for the pizza.
 
2013-09-02 11:59:18 AM  
Unique drumming is too complicated for the masses.
 
2013-09-02 12:04:20 PM  
Your drummer sucks

Link
 
2013-09-02 12:05:42 PM  

Hoopy Frood: MrBallou: Old joke: How can you tell if the stage is level?

Drool is coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.

How can you tell the person knocking on your door is a drummer?

It keeps getting faster.


And he doesn't know when to come in.
 
2013-09-02 12:07:22 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: Hoopy Frood: MrBallou: Old joke: How can you tell if the stage is level?

Drool is coming out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.

How can you tell the person knocking on your door is a drummer?

It keeps getting faster.

And he doesn't know when to come in.


What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians?

A drummer.
 
2013-09-02 12:07:58 PM  
What do you call the guy who hangs around with musicians and lugs the heavy gear?

The drummer.
 
2013-09-02 12:08:34 PM  

PizzaJedi81: What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians?

A drummer.


*tiny fist, its shaking at an uneven tempo*
 
2013-09-02 12:10:02 PM  

BumpInTheNight: What do you call the guy who hangs around with musicians and lugs the heavy gear?

The drummer.


As a bass player, I would put the weight of my rig up against most drummer's gear.  They may have more, but mine is heavier.  :)
 
2013-09-02 12:10:47 PM  

BumpInTheNight: PizzaJedi81: What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians?

A drummer.

*tiny fist, its shaking at an uneven tempo*


For fairness sake:

How many trumpeters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

One: He just holds it up, and waits for the world to revolve around him.
 
2013-09-02 12:11:57 PM  

Spandau: BumpInTheNight: What do you call the guy who hangs around with musicians and lugs the heavy gear?

The drummer.

As a bass player, I would put the weight of my rig up against most drummer's gear.  They may have more, but mine is heavier.  :)


How many bass players does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None; the keyboard player can do it with his left hand.
 
2013-09-02 12:16:20 PM  

LewDux: Your drummer sucks

Link


If you're good at something, there's always an Asian kid somewhere who can do it better.
 
2013-09-02 12:16:57 PM  
A traveler takes his first trip to Africa.
When he gets off the plane, the first thing he hears is drums. He asks his African friend, "What's up with the drums?" His friend tells him, "The drums never stop."
He thinks, OK, this is Africa, there should be drums. He goes to his hotel, but he can't get any sleep - the drums keep him up all night. Everywhere he goes, drums.
Finally, he asks his friend, "What do you mean 'the drums never stop'?"
His friend says, "if the drums stop, it's very bad. They must never stop."
Still, everywhere he goes, drums. He can't sleep. He can't think. It's driving him crazy. Finally, in desperation, he asks his friend, "Why can't they stop the drumming? What would happen that is so terrible?"
Silence... Then his friend looks at him, with a terrified expression on his face.
"Drums stop - bass solo!"
 
2013-09-02 12:19:09 PM  
Next up: 11 artists who ripped off the vi-ii-V-I chord progression, followed by artists whole stole 12-bar blues, and then we can rip on screenwriters who totally stole the idea of a murder mystery, and TV producers who copied hospital dramas.

Pop culture is made up of countless permutations of just a handful of recognizable elements. You think "memes" are new? That someone just invented the mashup a few years ago? No, it's the same ol' thing as before, just newer elements and media.

Yeah, it's nice when there's something new, but let's stop kidding ourselves by thinking that it's violating something precious and Earth-shatteringly brilliant when someone, say, "steals" one of a small number of variations on the four-on-the-floor drum beat.
 
2013-09-02 12:19:15 PM  

Belligerent and Numerous: I know subby's trolling, but if you want innovation, just listen to Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carter Beauford, Steve Gadd, Terry Bozzio, or John Blackwell Jr. for starters. There are many others.


A drummer dies and goes to heaven. As he's waiting outside the pearly gates he hears the most incredible drumming coming from within. Immediately he recognizes the playing and asks St. Peter if Buddy Rich is playing the drums inside the gates. St. Peter responds "No, that's God. He just thinks he's Buddy Rich."

 

PizzaJedi81: How many trumpeters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?


How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb?

Five: One to screw the bulb in, and four to talk about how much better Neil Peart would've done it.
 
2013-09-02 12:21:09 PM  

DeltaPunch: How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb?

Five: One to screw the bulb in, and four to talk about how much better Neil Peart would've done it.


A drummer, tired from being ridiculed by his peers, decides to learn how to play some "real" musical instruments. He goes to a music store, walks in, approaches the store clerk, and says "I'll take that red trumpet over there and that accordion."
The store clerk looks at him a bit funny, and replies "OK, you can have the fire extinguisher but the radiator's got to stay."
 
mhd
2013-09-02 12:25:11 PM  
What is the difference between a violist and a prostitute

A prostitute knows more than two positions.
 
2013-09-02 12:27:43 PM  

LewDux: Your drummer sucks

Link


That's some slick drumming. Thanks for sharing!
 
2013-09-02 12:28:14 PM  
Benson would like to have a word with you subby
 
2013-09-02 12:54:09 PM  
Came in to post Amen Break, leaving rendered irrelevant.

/it's farking everywhere
 
2013-09-02 01:00:44 PM  

Spandau: BumpInTheNight: What do you call the guy who hangs around with musicians and lugs the heavy gear?

The drummer.

As a bass player, I would put the weight of my rig up against most drummer's gear.  They may have more, but mine is heavier.  :)


upload.wikimedia.org

> 600 lbs/ in total. Oh, and the bass player is out of a job, too.
 
2013-09-02 01:06:53 PM  

Pep Streebeck: Spandau: BumpInTheNight: What do you call the guy who hangs around with musicians and lugs the heavy gear?

The drummer.

As a bass player, I would put the weight of my rig up against most drummer's gear.  They may have more, but mine is heavier.  :)

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> 600 lbs/ in total. Oh, and the bass player is out of a job, too.


If you carry that to gigs yourself, then I'm impressed.  :)
 
2013-09-02 01:10:22 PM  
What about that band that ripped off that other band by starting the song with "1,2,3,4" ?
 
2013-09-02 01:18:04 PM  

lindseyp: The Amen Break would like a word with you, subby.


Yep.  I believe we sliced and diced that one until it bled out of our ears.  D&B was much better when folks got rid of this fad.  Also, this is the hardest man in the genre:

exclaim.ca

The guy uses a super-sensitivity mic just to pick up the sound of ants marching and use it in his music.  He is so far removed from stealing riffs that he creates his own genre.
 
2013-09-02 01:18:08 PM  
In defense of drummers (I'm not one, btw) there's only so much innovation one can pull off within a 4/4 time signature which is by far the most common one in pop/rock music.
 
2013-09-02 01:19:57 PM  

devilskware: What about that band that ripped off that other band by starting the song with "1,2,3,4" ?


The first band that did that probably ripped off a marching band or orchestra in rehearsal.
 
2013-09-02 01:35:07 PM  

blue_2501: Yep.  I believe we sliced and diced that one until it bled out of our ears.  D&B was much better when folks got rid of this fad.  Also, this is the hardest man in the genre:


The Amen break never left drum & bass.  It's still commonly used and there's nothing wrong with that.  Even the most forward thinking drumfunk producers, who are well known for using brand new self-composed breaks, still use it.

It was overused during the 90s, but that was more because computer software DAWs weren't common yet, so people's access to drum sounds was restricted.

blue_2501: The guy uses a super-sensitivity mic just to pick up the sound of ants marching and use it in his music.  He is so far removed from stealing riffs that he creates his own genre.


Tobin's in his own league, but I can't help but miss his old records before he became so experimental.

I prefer producers like Seba, Paradox, Blu Mar Ten, Future Engineers, etc.  That stuff still works as dance music.  Tobin doesn't.
 
2013-09-02 02:03:20 PM  
Honorable mention for When the Levee Breaks?
 
2013-09-02 02:05:01 PM  

beerrun: LewDux: Your drummer sucks

Link

If you're good at something, there's always an Asian kid somewhere who can do it better.


But that's the only thing they can do.
 
2013-09-02 02:07:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: The Amen break never left drum & bass.  It's still commonly used and there's nothing wrong with that.  Even the most forward thinking drumfunk producers, who are well known for using brand new self-composed breaks, still use it.

It was overused during the 90s, but that was more because computer software DAWs weren't common yet, so people's access to drum sounds was restricted.


To me, Amen Breaks belong in Jungle and that's it.  Using an Amen any more is just going to be inferior to using even another drum solo.  It cheaps the song, because it's overusage has infected the genre on a subconscious level.  As in, your brain knows it's an Amen break even before you consciously know it, and it colors your opinion of the song because it's an old and unoriginal sound any more.

Glitchwerks: Tobin's in his own league, but I can't help but miss his old records before he became so experimental.

I prefer producers like Seba, Paradox, Blu Mar Ten, Future Engineers, etc.  That stuff still works as dance music.  Tobin doesn't.


True.  Chaos Theory was probably the pinnacle of his more dancy and harder hitting days.
 
2013-09-02 02:14:49 PM  
According to one John Lennon bio I read, he once sat in for a DJ friend's NYC radio show.  He spent the show playing songs to demonstrate how 99.99% of pop hits use stolen licks from previous pop hits. I can think of more than a few 'recording artists' whose entire output consists of bits lifted from everyone else.

It's not just music, in every commercial creative endeavor, there is the 0.01% who actually do the innovating and all the rest who steal it.  I've watched ad agency 'creatives' at work whose entire effort at preparing a pitch depends on what they can find on GIS.
 
2013-09-02 02:17:44 PM  
A beat that a 5-year-old can play was 'innovative' in the first place?
 
2013-09-02 02:19:54 PM  
14 songs of which most people have heard of one maybe two.

/Obscure artists are obscure.
 
2013-09-02 02:21:14 PM  
In rock and roll, there are only a few drum beats that get constantly used, just like there are only a few guitar chords. It is a frivolous entertainment form of music, not high art.
 
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