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(Guardian)   10. And finally... If you really don't like the band... it's a surefire way of annoying them   (theguardian.com) divider line 64
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2013-09-02 06:04:24 AM  
Somebody laps this millennial. Thought concerts were to see the band.
/I mist be old
 
2013-09-02 07:24:09 AM  

TenJed_77: Somebody laps this millennial. Thought concerts were to see the band.
/I mist be old


That should say slap. I should have said whipper-snapper.
/gonna have to pay more attention mist be too old to be farking from my phone
 
2013-09-02 08:31:17 AM  
I can't have fun unless I can show my friends I'm having fun.
 
2013-09-02 08:33:17 AM  
People like this writer are pretty much the sole reason I don't go to shows anymore. That and drunks screaming the lyrics off key and at the top of their lungs, in between blasts "WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
 
2013-09-02 08:37:11 AM  
I agree with points 4 & 6, not so much with point 7, and I'm violently opposed to points 1 & 9.

Also, as Subby and a Liter I want to know which of the mods drunkenly greened this, I haven't paid my 'green fees'.
 
2013-09-02 08:42:18 AM  
Still better than a vuvuzela.
 
2013-09-02 08:49:23 AM  
Most bands do note-for-note versions of the songs the fans downloaded instead of buying their CD so whats' the point of having a shaky video with dramatically downgraded sound quality.
 
2013-09-02 08:55:18 AM  
I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.
 
2013-09-02 08:57:50 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.


I never saw the point of big-dick stadium shows, but shows at a sub-1000 capacity venue can be electric. Not trying to get into a dick swinging contest with any of the old heads here, but when you're close enough to Rollins for him to get so pissed off at you that he punches you in the face that's entertainment on a new level.
 
2013-09-02 09:00:07 AM  
There's always the chance that a band member will spontaneously combust. Otherwise, from a guy who's filmed/taped bands since the 70s, the recordings are a great thing to have decades later.(Ramones in 1979 ).
 
2013-09-02 09:00:44 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: ReapTheChaos: I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.

I never saw the point of big-dick stadium shows, but shows at a sub-1000 capacity venue can be electric. Not trying to get into a dick swinging contest with any of the old heads here, but when you're close enough to Rollins for him to get so pissed off at you that he punches you in the face that's entertainment on a new level.


You said dick twice.
 
2013-09-02 09:07:59 AM  
Phones out at concerts?

I'm agin it, the bible's agin it, God's agin it and you should be agin it too!

Actually it just annoys me how people feel the need to broadcast every minute of their lives.

You are not that important. The things you do are likely not that exciting. No one cares what you are eating. Just stop already.
 
2013-09-02 09:09:18 AM  
somehow phones don't bother me as much as some jerk in front of my trying to record the show with an ipad.
 
2013-09-02 09:14:55 AM  
Well, the article says "10 reasons." I think someone needs to explain to that writer the difference between  reasons and lame-ass rationalizations. It alleviates boredom? What? If boredom is that much of an issue, LEAVE! If your friends want to stay, tell them to meet you at the McDonald's across the street, go have a cup of coffee, and play with your phone to your heart's content. They'll probably even have free wifi for you.

Having said that, I really don't see the issue at a rock concert. If you're expecting good behavior, you're at the wrong place. (But then again, my rock-concert-going experiences were definitively shaped at my very first concert, Aerosmith, when I saw a couple guys drag their passed-out-drunk friend out of the venue before the show even started--an image that sticks in my head vividly to this day.)
 
2013-09-02 09:17:50 AM  

love_alice: somehow phones don't bother me as much as some jerk in front of my trying to record the show with an ipad.


Especially an iPad 2, the cameras on those things are terrible.
 
2013-09-02 09:20:45 AM  

Karma Chameleon: SockMonkeyHolocaust: ReapTheChaos: I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.

I never saw the point of big-dick stadium shows, but shows at a sub-1000 capacity venue can be electric. Not trying to get into a dick swinging contest with any of the old heads here, but when you're close enough to Rollins for him to get so pissed off at you that he punches you in the face that's entertainment on a new level.

You said dick twice.


You are what you eat, stud. Now get in the cab of my pickup truck. We're going to 69 ourselves silly behind the Acme.
 
2013-09-02 09:26:51 AM  

Secret Agent X23: Well, the article says "10 reasons." I think someone needs to explain to that writer the difference between  reasons and lame-ass rationalizations. It alleviates boredom? What? If boredom is that much of an issue, LEAVE! If your friends want to stay, tell them to meet you at the McDonald's across the street, go have a cup of coffee, and play with your phone to your heart's content. They'll probably even have free wifi for you.

Having said that, I really don't see the issue at a rock concert. If you're expecting good behavior, you're at the wrong place. (But then again, my rock-concert-going experiences were definitively shaped at my very first concert, Aerosmith, when I saw a couple guys drag their passed-out-drunk friend out of the venue before the show even started--an image that sticks in my head vividly to this day.)



Best guess is the author went to a show and was down front constantly snapping pictures, and one of the band members said "Hey, dickhead, knock it off with the flash bulb."

Either way, author sounds like a whiny, entitled douchebag.
 
2013-09-02 09:28:03 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.


Saw Guns n Roses (most of the original Appetite lineup), Aerosmith, and Bon Jovi in concert. Even being in the nosebleed seats they all put on great live shows that were worth seeing. And Bon Jovi had some kind of aerial scaffolding that let him run around toward the far corners of the concert hall.

GnR was a really great show. And Axl did walk off the stage after someone threw a water bottle at him. But hearing them do the songs live was the best thing and I did see a lot from my far away seats.
 
2013-09-02 09:29:11 AM  
Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.
 
2013-09-02 09:55:47 AM  
FREEBIRD!
 
2013-09-02 10:04:13 AM  
Okay, musician here  Let's see what we think of the list....

1) Things are supposed to be distracting.
Okay Ms. ADwannaflyakite, maybe YOU need to be distracted, but just because every concert story has a "and there was this one jackass..." doesn't mean YOU have to be that person.

2) There are worse ways to watch a show.
WTF does that have to do with anything? And hell, until you've taped one radio off of another one with a cassette, you have no idea what worse ways exist.

3) It's not about making a great recording of the event.
While that may be sorta true, the mic on my phone maxes out at 90dB.  (I know this because I tried using a dB meter app at a rehearsal once.)  As most concerts start at 100db, you won't hear anything but mud over said phone.  (Again, rehearsal.)

4) It's a way of communicating with friends.
I freely admit I text my best friend a lot, but that being said, we don't need to talk through EVERYTHING.

5) Wish you were here?
My sister did this to me once.  Look at comment #3 and guess what happened when she tried to phone me "Margaritaville."

6) It's sometimes the only way to make yourself heard.
I can see trying to meet up with someone who's late (or if you're the late one), but otherwise? No.

7) Phone use makes the musicians step it up.
Don't know about any other musicians, but I give 100% at  rehearsals.  I don't need jack shiat to make me step it up at a live show.

8) We all get to have a conversation.
Again,  why?? Oh, wait...

9) It alleviates boredom.
Yup.  A-D-wanna-fly-a-farking-kite.  You know why we don't have time travel movies anymore?  It's because of dipshiats like the author.  They wouldn't last five farking minutes in the past without running in circles to alleviate said boredom.

10) And finally...
If you're going to a show and you feel you want to annoy the farking band, guess what? You are now hated by the vast majority of the crowd.

And just because it needs to be pointed out, from her little profile:

Wendy Fonarow is a professor of anthropology in Los Angeles, the author of Empire of Dirt: The Aesthetics and Rituals of British Indie Culture and has been to far more gigs than is strictly healthy

Enough farking said.
 
2013-09-02 10:10:06 AM  
Looking for the companion article, "10 Reasons It's OK to Stab People Who Use Their Mobiles at a Gig."
 
2013-09-02 10:15:25 AM  

ExcedrinHeadache: Looking for the companion article, "10 Reasons It's OK to Stab People Who Use Their Mobiles at a Gig."


It's basically the same article, though, so, oh, wait, I get it now.
 
2013-09-02 10:20:24 AM  
Funny list. Of cause commenters treated it as serious article because author is professor of anthropology. Probably psychological experiment
 
2013-09-02 10:30:12 AM  
A number of years ago I went to see Mojo Nixon play a show in the Akron area.  This was before smartphones, and I think it was before my luddite ass even owned a cell phone.  Anyway, in the middle of the show, after he finished playing a song, Mojo saw a guy in the crowd talking on his phone, and asked him to pass it up to him.  Mojo then proceeded to tell the (probably bewildered) caller, "Come on down to the show, we're having a great time, we got a lot more songs to play, so come on down, cos if you don't, I'm gonna f**k your friend in the ass!"  He then handed the phone back and said "You should know better than to hand me a cell phone!"

/csb
 
2013-09-02 10:30:42 AM  
Basic fact is, the band is the show, not you.
If you don't like their performance, STFU and leave.
An empty venue is the biggest insult a band can get not involving fire arms or broken bottles.
 
2013-09-02 10:30:56 AM  

FriarReb98: Okay, musician here  Let's see what we think of the list....

1) Things are supposed to be distracting.
Okay Ms. ADwannaflyakite, maybe YOU need to be distracted, but just because every concert story has a "and there was this one jackass..." doesn't mean YOU have to be that person.

2) There are worse ways to watch a show.
WTF does that have to do with anything? And hell, until you've taped one radio off of another one with a cassette, you have no idea what worse ways exist.

3) It's not about making a great recording of the event.
While that may be sorta true, the mic on my phone maxes out at 90dB.  (I know this because I tried using a dB meter app at a rehearsal once.)  As most concerts start at 100db, you won't hear anything but mud over said phone.  (Again, rehearsal.)

4) It's a way of communicating with friends.
I freely admit I text my best friend a lot, but that being said, we don't need to talk through EVERYTHING.

5) Wish you were here?
My sister did this to me once.  Look at comment #3 and guess what happened when she tried to phone me "Margaritaville."

6) It's sometimes the only way to make yourself heard.
I can see trying to meet up with someone who's late (or if you're the late one), but otherwise? No.

7) Phone use makes the musicians step it up.
Don't know about any other musicians, but I give 100% at  rehearsals.  I don't need jack shiat to make me step it up at a live show.

8) We all get to have a conversation.
Again,  why?? Oh, wait...

9) It alleviates boredom.
Yup.  A-D-wanna-fly-a-farking-kite.  You know why we don't have time travel movies anymore?  It's because of dipshiats like the author.  They wouldn't last five farking minutes in the past without running in circles to alleviate said boredom.

10) And finally...
If you're going to a show and you feel you want to annoy the farking band, guess what? You are now hated by the vast majority of the crowd.

And just because it needs to be pointed out, from her little profile:

Wendy Fonarow is a professor of anthropology in Los Angeles, the author of Empire of Dirt: The Aesthetics and Rituals of British Indie Culture and has been to far more gigs than is strictly healthy

Enough farking said.


More gigs than strictly healthy? And how many is that? I mean I've seen more than I can count anymore, at least since my used tickets were almost all stolen. Admittedly a lot of them were Dead/Garcia/Ratdog, but I did also see a lot of other shows over the years, at least until they started charging outrageous prices.
 
2013-09-02 10:32:09 AM  

TenJed_77: they started charging outrageous prices.


But how else is Ticketmaster gonna make money?
 
2013-09-02 10:34:39 AM  
No, you never need to record the entire performance (or even part of it) through your camera.

I whip out my phone and take one or two pictures (choosing the better one to post on facebook to prove I was there) and that's it. That's all you need to do.
 
2013-09-02 10:34:53 AM  

skinink: ReapTheChaos: I've never understood the appeal of live concerts. Unless you're in the first 15-20 rows, you can't see shiat anyway. What's even worse is that even the ones lucky enough to score a front row seat always spend the whole show standing, which leads to everyone behind them standing, which leads to the entire stadium standing. Why they even bother with chairs is beyond me.

Saw Guns n Roses (most of the original Appetite lineup), Aerosmith, and Bon Jovi in concert. Even being in the nosebleed seats they all put on great live shows that were worth seeing. And Bon Jovi had some kind of aerial scaffolding that let him run around toward the far corners of the concert hall.

GnR was a really great show. And Axl did walk off the stage after someone threw a water bottle at him. But hearing them do the songs live was the best thing and I did see a lot from my far away seats.


You got lucky, I was in Riverport in St. Louis.
/I did see them once before in LA but Appetite wasn't out yet
 
2013-09-02 10:36:26 AM  

jake3988: That's all you need to do.


I went to a Train concert with my wife recently. My daughters like the song Hey, Soul Sister, so I recorded most, but not all, of that, and that was it. The girls got a kick out of it.
 
2013-09-02 11:00:00 AM  
Brazil is not a comedy.
 
2013-09-02 11:02:39 AM  
I tried to read that objectively and some of it made sense.

On the first point, yes, depending on the band, the genre and the venue, cellphones really aren't much more distracting than what else is going on.  I saw a metal band where there were tons of pyrotechnics going off and at certain points they even encouraged everyone to hold up their phones with the screens lit like people used to do with lighters.  And yes, phones and even cameras are far less noisy than the people's screams and shouts.

That said, if it's a less effects heavy performance and the lighting isn't bright, having lots of people ahead of you all holding up phones with the screens lit is distracting.  It blocks your view and that little light catches your eye all the time.  So depending on what you are watching, sometimes having a phone or camera on can be a horrible way to disrupt the performance.

On the second point, I strongly disagree that there are worse ways to watch the show.  I have recorded 10 minute portions of a couple of performances and I regretted it big time afterwards.  You spend effort holding the camera still and looking at the screen to make sure it's in focus and framed OK so you aren't actually watching the performance.  The footage will never compare to the real thing so just watch the real thing when you are there.

Most of the other points related to 'I can't enjoy things unless all my friends see my real time facebook/twitter updates' or 'I need to be in contact with my online friends ALL THE TIME!'.
 
2013-09-02 11:04:00 AM  
Fan cell videos can be very useful in the music industry. The multiple points of view and occasional commentary help the creative people working with bands learn about their past gigs and the idiosyncrasies of the fan base. But I guess the actual making of the videos is annoying to a lot of people.
 
2013-09-02 11:05:24 AM  
Also, I have been to a couple of concerts where it was explicitly stated that the use of any recording devices was strictly prohibited.  And this was enforced.  If anyone was so much as seen trying to take a picture they were removed.  Even just checking on a text would get securities attention.  Because of this, almost everyone kept their phones and camera's in their pockets all the time.  It was great.
 
2013-09-02 11:08:48 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: A number of years ago I went to see Mojo Nixon play a show in the Akron area.  This was before smartphones, and I think it was before my luddite ass even owned a cell phone.  Anyway, in the middle of the show, after he finished playing a song, Mojo saw a guy in the crowd talking on his phone, and asked him to pass it up to him.  Mojo then proceeded to tell the (probably bewildered) caller, "Come on down to the show, we're having a great time, we got a lot more songs to play, so come on down, cos if you don't, I'm gonna f**k your friend in the ass!"  He then handed the phone back and said "You should know better than to hand me a cell phone!"

/csb


You know, Mojo's radio persona can be annoying sometimes, but never let it be said he's not a funny mofo.
 
2013-09-02 11:12:42 AM  
Writer is an idiot and his blog sucks.
 
2013-09-02 11:21:31 AM  
I remember waaaaaay back 15 years ago you couldn't sneak a little micro-cassette recorder or camera into a venue.  They'd sniff it out where you stashed it in your crotch.

I also remember when a band would play a ballad that everyone would whip out their cigarette lighters.

Nowadays, everybody just whips out their phones.

LAME! LAME! LAME!
 
2013-09-02 11:30:16 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Most bands do note-for-note versions of the songs the fans downloaded instead of buying their CD so whats' the point of having a shaky video with dramatically downgraded sound quality.


Not everyone takes piss poor quality video. I have yet to get shiat quality audio and video at a show. In fact, a large portion of my live footage was used in In Flames' video "Ropes". They didn't use the audio, of course, but the video was rock solid. I just recorded an entire Chimaira show in one cut, zero camera shake and outstanding audio. If you're standing in the pit trying to take video, it may be shaky. If you know what you're doing, a new iPhone is little different these days than a solid camera.
 
2013-09-02 11:35:05 AM  

PizzaJedi81: jake3988: That's all you need to do.

I went to a Train concert with my wife recently. My daughters like the song Hey, Soul Sister, so I recorded most, but not all, of that, and that was it. The girls got a kick out of it.


I took my kids to a festival recently, and they really like Miley Cyrus, so I recorded most, but not all, of her set on my Droid. Oh, the merry hours we'll have gathered around reliving that special time.

/next?
 
2013-09-02 11:39:04 AM  
It puts the cellphone in its pocket or it gets the hose again.

/probably wouldn't be a popular frontman
 
2013-09-02 11:47:25 AM  
Weird. One of the bands I saw recently put up a post afterwards asking fans for any photos or video they took of the show.

Guess I just like bands that aren't full of uptight dickholes.
 
2013-09-02 12:02:05 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.


Jammers do nothing to block the cell phone's camera nor dim the blinding screen of the phone of the asshole next to you.
 
2013-09-02 12:03:56 PM  

Dragonflew: HotIgneous Intruder: Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.

Jammers do nothing to block the cell phone's camera nor dim the blinding screen of the phone of the asshole next to you.


Nah, see, what he meant was someone who would jam a cell phone used by these people in a very uncomfortable place.
 
2013-09-02 12:14:42 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Dragonflew: HotIgneous Intruder: Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.

Jammers do nothing to block the cell phone's camera nor dim the blinding screen of the phone of the asshole next to you.

Nah, see, what he meant was someone who would jam a cell phone used by these people in a very uncomfortable place.


Now THAT I can... er... get behind.
 
2013-09-02 12:18:35 PM  

Dragonflew: HotIgneous Intruder: Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.

Jammers do nothing to block the cell phone's camera nor dim the blinding screen of the phone of the asshole next to you.


wvuafm.ua.edu
Ghaaaa! The asshole next to me is blinding me with his cell phone!
 
2013-09-02 12:26:19 PM  

69gnarkill69: Dragonflew: HotIgneous Intruder: Jammers.
We need cell phone jammers.

Jammers do nothing to block the cell phone's camera nor dim the blinding screen of the phone of the asshole next to you.

[wvuafm.ua.edu image 850x531]
Ghaaaa! The asshole next to me is blinding me with his cell phone!


Good for you, you found a picture with bright lights. But concert lighting is dynamic, and most of the time a bright cell phone screen is distracting. Go right ahead and keep feeling entitled like the author, though. It's obviously winning her a lot of friends in this thread.
 
2013-09-02 12:28:32 PM  
And turnabout's fair play.

If my band stops playing jn the middle of a song to update our FB page with "OMG we're totally nailing this sing tonight! That extra practice is paying off!" don't get fussy with me.

If your phone is part of your enjoyment, then mine can be part of the performance.
 
2013-09-02 12:29:50 PM  
If it's important to you that everyone in your world knows are you watching Band X, why do you not show enough respect for your own sense of what's cool to shut the fark up, turn that shiat off, and listen?
 
2013-09-02 12:38:15 PM  
But.. but.. my Facebook friends are my ONLY friends, and I don't go to concerts alone! What kind of loser do you think I am?

/updating status to Sobbing Quietly Due To Sudden Painful Self-Awareness
 
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