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2013-09-02 04:09:40 PM  

FloydA: His wife will find out that it's 2013 after all when she sneaks out to find medicine for the kid and meets a park ranger.  There were no monsters, that was just a guy in a costume.

My word was that was a terrible movie. Thanks for reminding me of it.
 
2013-09-02 04:38:55 PM  

BadReligion: FloydA: His wife will find out that it's 2013 after all when she sneaks out to find medicine for the kid and meets a park ranger.  There were no monsters, that was just a guy in a costume.
My word was that was a terrible movie. Thanks for reminding me of it.


In an unexpected twist, it turns out that M. Night Shyamalan has actually been dead for his entire career.
 
2013-09-02 04:42:37 PM  
You know how sometimes, you get those parents that try to get their kids interested in the old crap they have nostalgic boners over?

This is what this sounds like, a dude with some mad nostalgic delusions over the 80's, and curses the modern day for making him try to learn things. Either that, or he's poor, and you can get pretty creative when you're broke.

//DNRTFA
 
2013-09-02 05:15:26 PM  

Silverstaff: Yeah, I'd heard of them, they were pretty uncommon too.


Commodore sold 17 million Commodore 64s. How is that uncommon? Oh, you mean uncommon for you. It's possible, but I guess the gist of this thread is that 1986 wasn't this Stone Age that the douche in the article seems to think.

I still have a Commodore 64 setup that would have been possible in 1986: GEOS, 512k expansion, mouse, and several drives. The 1581 came out in 1987 though, but GEOS was able to use the 1571 in double-sided mode.

BBSes were definitely a more local phenomenon, so no instant access to all information ever.

You want some serious change? 1886.

/I was able to get a REU to 512k for free. Ask me how.
 
2013-09-02 05:30:59 PM  
skinink:

I lived in the 80's and went to college back then. Even in the dorms it wasn't that common to see computers everywhere, and I went to an expensive school. We had computer courses and it's not like a lot of the students could go back to the dorm rooms to do the lessons on their PC.

Early or late 80s? It does make quite a bit of a difference. You would have seen a lot fewer computers in 1981 than in 1989. I bought my VIC-20 in 1985 and the C64 in 1988.  Even in 1980, the VIC-20 was only $299, just $100 more than the Atari 2600 that was extremely common, so prices were not out of reach. Of course, computers are more common now, but they certainly were not a rarity in the 1980s.
 
2013-09-02 05:46:50 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: And what's with the "no computers" shiat? In 1986? Really? "No cable"? 1986? This guy is a dumbfark.


Computer would habe been a Commidore 64 in 1986. Maybe vable wasn't availabe in Canada back then. I know it wasn't in Australia so the same might be true of the other colonies as well.
 
2013-09-02 05:48:08 PM  

skinink: I don't understand you all who think just because you had a computer back in the 80's or that many brands were being sold, that computing was common. It wasn't like it's trying to made out to be.



Because there were and most of the people in their 30's in this very thread have said they had a computer in the house during the 80's.  CBM-64's, ZX Spectrums, Amstrad's, Atari ST's, Amiga's, Trash-80's the list goes on and they were all out in the 80's.  You could pick up a ZX Spectrum 48k for less than £200, it was seriously a hot seller when it came out in 1984.

You just think we're talking about x86 based machines.  We're not.
 
2013-09-02 05:50:31 PM  

jayhawk88: He sounds like the guy you knew from high school who always has some new way he's going to "make it big" every time you see him. If he was 15 years older I'd bet any amount of money he'd tried raising llamas at some point in his life. His resume probably looks like a brainstorming session from NBC Sitcom Development.


The big difference between successful people and the likes of me is that successful people try things. And if they fail they try something else.
 
2013-09-02 06:02:00 PM  
Look! they even had Windows 8 back in 1986

i.imgur.com

/watch
 
2013-09-02 06:58:54 PM  
Geez people. Lots of people had 8-bit PCs in the mid 80s. Only the wealthy had an IBM-compatible PC until the late '80s.

Also- no they cannot put crank windows in cars anymore because it is cheaper to provide only one option. Specifying crank window mechanisms, designing the car to hold them and keeping the order sheets straight to ensure that they go into the card that are supposed to get them isn't financially viable.
 
2013-09-02 06:59:37 PM  
trainspotr: On  the other hand, the number of unmarried, unemployed 20-something dudes with two kids and a live in girlfriend had to be pretty close to zero percent of the population in 1986.

EXACTLY. Though the 1986 media restrained itself from using the term "bastard children," societal approval of this was still pretty low, especially for public-figure-types. Not to take sides, but I find it interesting to compare its broader acceptance in (2013) society vis-a-vis gay rights/marriage issues.
 
2013-09-02 07:07:46 PM  

Vaneshi: skinink: I don't understand you all who think just because you had a computer back in the 80's or that many brands were being sold, that computing was common. It wasn't like it's trying to made out to be.


Because there were and most of the people in their 30's in this very thread have said they had a computer in the house during the 80's.  CBM-64's, ZX Spectrums, Amstrad's, Atari ST's, Amiga's, Trash-80's the list goes on and they were all out in the 80's.  You could pick up a ZX Spectrum 48k for less than £200, it was seriously a hot seller when it came out in 1984.

You just think we're talking about x86 based machines.  We're not.


I think it partially depends on where you lived at that point in time and whether you were poor or middle classed back then.  My family was poor in 86 and we lived in the far northern reaches of bumfark WI. I knew of only 2-3 families in the area that had any form of home computing device back then and that was because one of the parents was a doctor usually. Of course I didn't know everyone back when I was a kid, but I can only recall 2-3 kids mentioning their computers back in the day up into my middle school years when x86 machines started to come about and more people started getting them. I do remember my aunt and uncle that were in the Air Force back in that time frame had an Apple IIe and actually brought it with them on a visit and let us play a few games on it, and one of my friends parent's got him some form of computer that we played some race car game and Oregon Trail on closer to 88-89ish.

As far as the other things some people have mentioned in the thread goes: Cable was common, CD's were around, but not terribly common. There was no "Internet" per se, but due to movies like Wargames we knew that computers were around and you could link them with a phone and something called a modem.
 
2013-09-02 07:16:36 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: There was no "Internet" per se, but due to movies like Wargames we knew that computers were around and you could link them with a phone and something called a modem.


I think by 85ish Fidonet had outposts around the world so whilst it wouldn't necessarily be quick you could send a message to another BBS/user on a different continent via something quite like e-mail.

/Did it once in the 90's to Australia.
//Took about a week.
///Way faster than post.
 
2013-09-02 07:22:43 PM  
1986, phfffffffff!
Bask in the glow of 1981 biatches!
img7.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-02 07:41:50 PM  
Maps are awesome and (turn-by-turn) GPS is killing people's ability to properly use them. But what's wrong with a digital map, like Google Maps for iPhone? I use that all the time, and swear to keep turn-by-turn GPS out of my car as long as possible.
 
2013-09-02 07:42:30 PM  
Also, why not use CD's at least. Cassettes are the worst. Hell, try vinyl. Plenty of house music (that the dad misses) on that.
 
2013-09-02 07:53:37 PM  
If he's 26 and "living his life as he did in 1986," then I was unaware that zygotes drove cars and read maps.
 
2013-09-02 08:02:09 PM  
Damn, GPS is annoying. "Drive 100 meters and turn right into this concrete wall; drive 1.4 kilometers and turn left into the parking lot of CostCo, then take another left through the tire-shredding entrance barrier. Re-calculating."

Here's what it should say: "Turn right into Trans-Canada Highway. Drive for 1,000 kilometres until you reach Quebec City." But seriously, you don't need that inane babble for 1,000 kilometers.

My parents are getting on in years and perversity. My Father's attention span is declining and his driving is beginning to scare me a bit. I don't think mechanical advice helps. Maybe someday when cars drive themselves, I would consider entrusting my life to a machine that fails me over 100 times a day.

Let's wake up and smell the coffee: I have a Sony Blu-Ray player attached to an iMac. I can't switch to the Blu Ray disc menu and there's only a one in five chance that the Blu Ray disc will work on any particular Blu Ray player any way.

The IQ that is needed to operate "simple" household devices is rising exponentially. Meanwhile, it is estmated that the average IQ of a human is 75, that the median IQ in the US is 100 (after adjusting for age, or 75 without the mathemagic) and that the likelihood that you can get help is plummeting like a tiny black hole passing through the Earth in about 3.5 seconds.

On the other hand, technology may be my salvation. They are replacing the windows on this building and I am expected to move my books, media and furniture four feet from the windows and the door. This may be physcally impossible because we are talking several tons and very little time.

If every book I owned were cheaply available in electronic form, I could possibly survive with less than 100 pounds of computer tech. Damn technology. Can't survive with it, can't survive without it.

Don't be mean to the assholes, attention whores and hipsters. Just consider them to be "volunteer lifestyle testers", destruct testing their lives so we don't have to do it for ourselves.

VOlunteer Lifestyle TesterS (VOLTS)

Their experiments help us to discover what we can live without even better than house fires or bombing raids. Their experiments teach us the pitfalls of new technology, just like other early adopters, but without so much money to burn or so much geeky tech skills and savey.

They are modern pioneers, going where no man in his right mind would go, on a five year voyage to write a book or possibly a series of silly human interest articles.

Nietzsche would be proud. He thought that countries should be turned into laboratories to test what kind of men there could be. The US Constitution beat him to the idea, but what the hey, even unto this day, Americans are lab rats running through mazes for the betterment of all mankind.

Maybe by the time that Amazon Prime and Google's Latest New Shiat gets to us, it'll work. As Canadians, we keep telling ourselves that. It sooths the pain and tempers the annoyance.
 
2013-09-02 08:14:18 PM  

farkeruk: OtherLittleGuy: CDs were not as ubiquious in 1986. They were still trying to figure how to display them in album stands, and they had these plastic extensions that propped the CD up in view. Some places had reusable extensions, but eventually, they just built and rebuilt displays for CDs only.

I worked in a record shop in 85. We had a CD shelf behind the tills. It was around 88-89 that CDs really started taking off.


You worked in one owned by a technophobe cautious adapter.
CD's came out in Japan in the summer of '82 with a whopping 150 or so titles.  By March of '83 when CD's were sprung on North America there were over 1000 titles, the coverage was similarly exponential that by '85, just about every release* was available in all three dominant formats (even a few straggler forth format 8 tracks).
Either way, in May of '85 the first CD only release was Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Which, due in no small part to MTV (on cable) and a pretty cool (computer animated) video, went multi-platinum.
By '86, the year our under employed protagonist is pretending to relive, every new album was out on CD (many on other formats too), and they were reissuing back catalog stuff left and right on CD.

* the 12" singles and remixes were still nearly all vinyl. Yea early/mid 80's DJ's!
 
2013-09-02 08:19:25 PM  
Bless you, America, for creating so many a-holes and for figuring out ways to live with them and not to kill them. We owe you a vast debt of ingratitude. How will we ever pay you back?

I know! We will make snarky remarks and tell jokes about you forever.

Really, we are grateful and amazed at all the shiat you put up with. Keep up the good work. Per frustra ad astra or something like that.

Personally, I usually buy the last electronic device with a metal case in the shop just before it becomes totally obsolete, on the theory that that one machine will be the one with all the bugs worked out of it and will last for about 15 years. Once they switch to smaller, lighter cases, it's just commodified junk made by a cheap sub-contractor in the latest developing country to industrialize.

Works well with microwaves, TVS and stuff like that. Computers, not so much. They never really last more than five years even if the bugs are worked out, which they almost never are and never will be. Computers were half-arsed from the beginning. It is unlikely that they will ever go back and fix what was wrong in the first place. We will have to wait for first contact with aliens to try something totally new and bug-free.
 
2013-09-02 08:21:32 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Look! they even had Windows 8 back in 1986

[i.imgur.com image 368x240]

/watch


I assume it worked -- for them.
 
2013-09-02 08:28:53 PM  

kazikian: Also, why not use CD's at least. Cassettes are the worst. Hell, try vinyl. Plenty of house music (that the dad misses) on that.


this.
Sunrise Records (online for the rest of us) has all the new vinyl & they have a b&m store in Kitchener about a half-hour from Blair.
 
2013-09-02 08:34:56 PM  

skinink: I don't understand you all who think just because you had a computer back in the 80's or that many brands were being sold, that computing was common. It wasn't like it's trying to made out to be. Even before Windows 95, computers were still an expensive thing. I had a friend tell me that back in the Eighties, a 100MB hard drive upgrade costs $1,000. How could something so expensive be common back then?

Either a lot of you had some nice disposable cash back then or I totally missed things back then. And that's even with Time Magazine calling the PC the Machine of the Year in 1983.


VIC-20
TI-99/4A
C=64
AMIGA
Apple II
Atari 800
Timex-Sinclair
Tandy series
Radio Shack Color Computer
IBM PC 286 SX
IBM PC JR
Coleco ADAM

There were a LOT of computer brands on the market in the 80s. And this isn't even counting regular game consoles like the Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Odyssey2, Intellivision, Vectrex, Colecovision, and Master System.

I was decidedly middle-class. We didn't have cable because we lived in the boonies and they wouldn't bring it out that far, but I did have game consoles (Pong, Atari 2600, etc.) and I had home computers as early as 1984. I was online (AOL, various BBS) in the mid 80s. My first computer with a hard drive was bought in 1989 for $2000 from ABC Warehouse, and prior to that we rocked the floppy drives. I had a crate full of floppies for my C64.

I got my first CD player in 1990, though it was actually a removable CD drive for the TurboGrafx-CD system. It also played CD+G, which the record companies were thinking might be a hit because it allowed them to put music videos (in crude graphics) on the CDs. I still have all my CDs from 1990 onward.

However, I had a friend who had a CD player (a deck on his stereo system) in 1986. He was rich, and it was a gift from his parents. This friend also had cable long before everyone else, but it caught on pretty quickly in the suburbs where he lived.

I wasn't rich, though, and I still managed to have several computers throughout the 80s and I first used the handle you see above sometime around 1985. I was bopping around Usenet by at least 1987, I believe. Possibly earlier.

So no, 1986 wasn't computer-free. It wasn't even uncommon. I think the dolt in TFA is mistaking 1986 for 1976.

/I also composed my first album in 1986 using synthesizers (one owned, one rented) and my computer, before I ever started using MIDI.
//Recorded on an old 8-track board and a dual tape deck.
///No, it didn't survive the 80s, unfortunately.
 
2013-09-02 08:48:43 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: CDs were not as ubiquious in 1986. They were still trying to figure how to display them in album stands, and they had these plastic extensions that propped the CD up in view. Some places had reusable extensions, but eventually, they just built and rebuilt displays for CDs only.

I also remember there was such an argument on the Jewel Case design. Good times.


No, that was later. In the mid and late 1980s, CDs were marketed in long-boxes. They faded away in the early 1990s.

www.duranduranstore.com 31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-02 08:52:54 PM  
Oh, oops... It wasn't AOL. It was Q-Link (predecessor to AOL).

And Compuserve. Can't forget Compuserve.
 
2013-09-02 09:01:36 PM  
Meh. Had an Atari 800xl and a x86 pc with a 10mb hdd iirc in the mid 80s. Most of my friends had commodores or apple IIs, though only one had a CD player.
 
2013-09-02 09:47:04 PM  

jjorsett: If he's 26 and "living his life as he did in 1986," then I was unaware that zygotes drove cars and read maps.


Well, even ignoring the zygote bit, at least he can sleep around without having to worry about AIDS.

/Herpes, on the other hand ....
 
2013-09-02 09:51:53 PM  

brantgoose: Amazon Prime and Google's Latest New Shiat gets to us,


Naw, they are already wrecking Prime by having a crappy movie selection and listing many items as 'Add-On' only.
 
2013-09-02 09:59:14 PM  

sno man: f
Either way, in May of '85 the first CD only release was Dire Straits Brothers in Arms.


i.ebayimg.com
 
2013-09-02 10:34:52 PM  

Great_Milenko: sno man: f
Either way, in May of '85 the first CD only release was Dire Straits Brothers in Arms.

[i.ebayimg.com image 300x225]


Fine... How about first CD to sell platinum in that format? or the song Brothers in Arms being the first CD single?  One of the first albums recorded digitally? or why the hell would you buy the cassette unless you had a walkman?

from the wiki:
Brothers in Arms was one of the first albums to be directed at the CD market, and was a full digital recording 'DDD' at a time when most popular music was recorded on analog equipment. It was also released on vinyl and cassette.
Brothers in Arms was the first album to sell one million copies in the CD format and to outsell its LP version.
 
2013-09-03 12:05:49 AM  

sno man: farkeruk: OtherLittleGuy: CDs were not as ubiquious in 1986. They were still trying to figure how to display them in album stands, and they had these plastic extensions that propped the CD up in view. Some places had reusable extensions, but eventually, they just built and rebuilt displays for CDs only.

I worked in a record shop in 85. We had a CD shelf behind the tills. It was around 88-89 that CDs really started taking off.

You worked in one owned by a technophobe cautious adapter.
CD's came out in Japan in the summer of '82 with a whopping 150 or so titles.  By March of '83 when CD's were sprung on North America there were over 1000 titles, the coverage was similarly exponential that by '85, just about every release* was available in all three dominant formats (even a few straggler forth format 8 tracks).
Either way, in May of '85 the first CD only release was Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Which, due in no small part to MTV (on cable) and a pretty cool (computer animated) video, went multi-platinum.
By '86, the year our under employed protagonist is pretending to relive, every new album was out on CD (many on other formats too), and they were reissuing back catalog stuff left and right on CD.

* the 12" singles and remixes were still nearly all vinyl. Yea early/mid 80's DJ's!


Yes, by 1986 everything was coming out on CD. However, if newspaper ads from the time are any guide, CD players were not exactly "ubiquitous" - stereo systems were routinely sold without them, and as an add-on full-width single-disc device they cost on the order of $200-$300. CD players were still in early-adopter stage in 1986, not something the hoi polloi was quite ready for. They were extremely scarce in cars until the '90s - I had an '89 Buick Riviera for a while, which was a high end $25K luxury car when it was new, and a CD player wasn't even available for it.

I recall that the mass market tended to get their first CD player sometime around 1990 or so.
 
2013-09-03 12:32:25 AM  
I graduated high school in 86. We got cable in 1980. I got a timex sinclair in 1982 and followed it up in 1983 with a commodore 64. I remember saving up for the 1541 floppy drive. I still have the 1702 color monitor. It worked great until everything went digital and HD. No CDs, pagers or cell phones but we did have a coffee machine.

oh and ...

i.imgur.com

which was 1984
 
2013-09-03 12:44:46 AM  
Their house has banned any technology post-1986

If this also means banning any current music, then I'm all for it.
 
2013-09-03 02:38:08 AM  
According to this, only 15% of American households had a computer in 1990.  Now shut up about how common computers were in the '80s.
 
2013-09-03 03:53:43 AM  
Let's see...

In 1986, we definitely had cable, because I watched Nickelodeon all the time.  You know, when it was good shiat, like Loony Tunes all the time and You Can't Do That On Television.

We definitely had a CD player, or at least had one within 1-2 years.  Still used a lot of cassettes and LPs because that's what a lot of the music collection was, but we were starting with the CDs.

We absolutely had a Commodore 64, WITH the 5.25" disk drive thankyouverymuch.  We didn't QUITE have an IBM PC yet, my uncle sent us his old one (the classic one with the dual floppies and everything) in '88 or so.  I remember my dad using a modem on a borrowed work PC sometime in '88 or '89 or so.  NO consoles only because my parents didn't believe in anything without educational value.  Friends would have NESes within 1-2 years, but I sure played plenty of video games on the C64.

Drip coffee maker, obviously.  No fancy espresso machine but hell, those aren't new technology, just a current fad.

We steadfastly refused carphones or cell phones for more than a decade longer, though.

So yeah, this guy's being a douche.  If you want your kid to play outside, limit them to 3 hours of non-educational TV + computer time per day and don't buy a $600 tablet, buy $100 in outdoor toys and a bicycle.
 
2013-09-03 04:13:59 AM  
In 1986 I had gotten, or was in the process of getting, a new CD player for my Adcom stereo. I was living completely without a TV at that point and would do so for several more years.

However, in 1987, at least for the first four months, I was able to work from home via computer. So there's that.

I applaud this family and their efforts.
 
2013-09-03 04:52:09 AM  
First world problem
 
2013-09-03 08:00:41 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The fact that they actually communicate has brought them closer


Because as we all know, communication is simply not possible in this day and age.
 
2013-09-03 08:18:51 AM  

Gunther: HindiDiscoMonster: The fact that they actually communicate has brought them closer

Because as we all know, communication is simply not possible in this day and age.


That's the part I don't get. Some people seem to think that it's impossible to prevent technology from ruling your life. In reality, that is something you ALLOW to happen through the decisions that you make.

I graduated high school in the same year that these people were born, and I'm quite happy to continue living my life with modern technology. It improves my life. It doesn't rule my life, because I don't allow it to.
 
2013-09-03 09:37:01 AM  

Cybernetic: Gunther: HindiDiscoMonster: The fact that they actually communicate has brought them closer

Because as we all know, communication is simply not possible in this day and age.

That's the part I don't get. Some people seem to think that it's impossible to prevent technology from ruling your life. In reality, that is something you ALLOW to happen through the decisions that you make.

I graduated high school in the same year that these people were born, and I'm quite happy to continue living my life with modern technology. It improves my life. It doesn't rule my life, because I don't allow it to.


Did you read last week about the attempt to charge the SENDER of a text message because the receiver was driving and got into an accident? Apparently the court system in the US (and this was applauded by my provincial government in Canada so them too) does think it's impossible for us to make choices.  Personally if I was defending that poor girl I'd get a paralegal to text message the prosecutor constantly during the trial.  Proving that is it possible to ignore your phone when it is not appropriate to answer it.
 
2013-09-03 10:35:03 AM  

Obbi: a dude with some mad nostalgic delusions over the 80's,


This motherfarker was 3 and change when he left the 80s.  He probably has two lasting memories about the 80s, if that.
 
2013-09-03 01:01:07 PM  
We had a computer in the very early 1980s. By the age of 5, I was messing around "programming" it in basic. It was a Zenith of some sort. Ah, the refreshing sound of a dot matrix printer. By 1986, We had an Atari, too.

In college, my parents used computers that took up an entire room and the "disks" were cards with holes in them.

Maybe all of the above was because both parents were hard science majors (Mom=Physics/biology/math, Dad=Chemistry/biology)? Computers have always been important to my family.
 
2013-09-03 01:49:15 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: As a Farker YOUNGER than the tard in the article, I want to kick him square in the nuts. My generation is stupid enough as it is, we don't need any more help!


I'm one year older, born in '86.

I'll hold him down for you.
 
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