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(Collider)   "Hollywood needs to adapt Maus." So long as Disney gets the rights and casts Mickey Mouse as the lead, it could work   (collider.com ) divider line
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2013-09-02 07:18:24 AM  
Do we really need another Holocaust movie?
 
2013-09-02 07:22:18 AM  
I don't think it would work. Basically movies are done by groups. Comics can be done by an individual. If there's one thing my father taught me, it's not to trust groups. I'm not interested in making a creation with a committee. I don't understand why everybody is this culture seems to believe it's not real until it's turned into a movie. I do understand all too well, actually. But to meMaus found its proper form and it took me 13 years to give it that form. I'm not interested especially in seeing that diminished.
 
2013-09-02 07:24:12 AM  
It's been a LONG time since I read Maus but aren't the Nazis portrayed as cats?
There's no way the USA will cope with cat-villians. I'm aware there have been naughty cats in movies before, maybe a few that were borderline double naughty, but full-on genocidal maniacs?
USA loves cats more than it loves life itself, there is no way people will swallow this crap without tearing the theater apart mob-handed.
Plus, someone will just shout at the screen, "why don't you distract the guards with a laser pointer?"
 
2013-09-02 07:28:13 AM  
Maybe Spiegelman can get all his friends and sycophants jobs as consultants on this, too.
 
2013-09-02 08:39:45 AM  

YoOjo: It's been a LONG time since I read Maus but aren't the Nazis portrayed as cats?
There's no way the USA will cope with cat-villians. I'm aware there have been naughty cats in movies before, maybe a few that were borderline double naughty, but full-on genocidal maniacs?
USA loves cats more than it loves life itself, there is no way people will swallow this crap without tearing the theater apart mob-handed.


Um, what?  That's a little over kill dont you. thin... uh...

Plus, someone will just shout at the screen, "why don't you distract the guards with a laser pointer?"

*spittake*  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Well played.
 
2013-09-02 08:41:26 AM  
Ooh.  That would be a very tall order to pull off and maintain the integrity of the story.

John Kricfalusi is the only U.S. based animator I can think of with the right mindset.  Really, the best people for the job are based in Eastern Europe.
 
2013-09-02 08:59:17 AM  

Iknhaton: Do we really need another Holocaust movie?


Hey, if this gets done, the chances of an animated movie winning the Oscar for Best Picture improve, like, a hundred fold.
 
2013-09-02 09:01:04 AM  
Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.
 
2013-09-02 09:10:00 AM  
The only way I think it could work is as a miniseries. There's too much stuff to fit into 2 hours.
 
2013-09-02 09:12:42 AM  

Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.


It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.
 
2013-09-02 09:25:41 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.


Try Bent, about the Germans targeted gays.
 
2013-09-02 09:25:45 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.


I've often wondered that - does "the six million" that gets shoved down our throats and cannot be questioned include the millions of Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, disabled, mentally ill etc who were murdered?
 
2013-09-02 09:35:14 AM  
Swastikas don't play well among the Hollywood elite.
We, as a nation, have not become quite degenerate enough to do this.
 
2013-09-02 09:38:33 AM  
Somehow, I don't think Disney has the sensitivity to carry this off:
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2013-09-02 09:58:49 AM  

Another Government Employee: Ooh.  That would be a very tall order to pull off and maintain the integrity of the story.

John Kricfalusi is the only U.S. based animator I can think of with the right mindset.  Really, the best people for the job are based in Eastern Europe.


I can't imagine Kricfalusi doing anything serious, and he hasn't done anything good since the original Ren & Stimpy. He's extremely overrated, especially by himself.
 
2013-09-02 10:01:06 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.


See-"The Pianist".

Yeah, it is by our favorite Pedophile.  But it shows the lengths some people will go to avoid their fate.
 
2013-09-02 10:05:44 AM  

Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.


Yeah, you're some kinda S-head alright, but 'Suede' ain't the one.
 
2013-09-02 10:21:47 AM  
I'd like to see this.
 
2013-09-02 10:32:44 AM  

Suede head: Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.

I've often wondered that - does "the six million" that gets shoved down our throats and cannot be questioned include the millions of Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, disabled, mentally ill etc who were murdered?

 
2013-09-02 10:43:57 AM  
How or why would this even be done?

The comic is a very personal story where Art Spiegelman uses the conventions of the medium to work out the tortured relationship he has with his parents. The story only works in a medium where talking animals are part of the iconography of storytelling and can be taken as seriously as people.

And the story itself isn't just "another Holocaust story" -- it's a deep and literary work about an adult son trying to reconcile the horrible person he knows as his father with the past person, who endured the Holocaust and therefore must be redeeming in some way. Spiegelman has moments in the narrative where he gets drawn into the story and tries to mythologize his father's experiences, only to be snapped back to reality by his father's insistence on telling the story his way.

I'm not saying a screen adaptation  couldn't be done. But the story would have to be reinvented in such a way that it wouldn't be the same experience.
 
2013-09-02 11:47:13 AM  
There was an animated version of "A Christmas Carol" with Alistar Sim reprising his roles as Scrooge. If they did the animation in rough drawings as with this, it could work.

I can't think of an animator today with that sort of grim rotoscoping.
 
2013-09-02 11:49:44 AM  
No, please.

There is just no way in hell Hollywood could get it right.
 
2013-09-02 11:55:17 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Maybe Spiegelman can get all his friends and sycophants jobs as consultants on this, too.


I think he and they spent all that time making sure it did NOT get made into a movie.

Yeah, and we all know how the Academy feels about Holocaust movies. And movies about segregation. And movies with pretty actors with handicaps protesting the injustice in the world. Good for you, Academy, have a lollipop and keep your hands off this one and go about with that project about the guy with a spike in his head who loses it when his family gets him a hat for his birthday.

"You don't understand! I got a spike in my head! I GOT A SPIKE IN MY HEAD!"
 
2013-09-02 11:55:45 AM  

Another Government Employee: Really, the best people for the job are based in Eastern Europe.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-02 12:08:55 PM  
I mean, look at what the Jews have been through, and you never hear them complaining.

/Manger Babies, spreading God's message of love!
 
2013-09-02 12:59:44 PM  

Iknhaton: Do we really need another Holocaust movie?


NEVER AGAIN!

/or at least until Jerry Lewis releases "The Day the Clown Cried".
 
2013-09-02 01:00:34 PM  

Suede head: Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.

I've often wondered that - does "the six million" that gets shoved down our throats and cannot be questioned include the millions of Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, disabled, mentally ill etc who were murdered?


My understanding is that it represents the number that were killed in the camps, and does not include the additional millions that were killed by the einsatzgruppen in the field.
 
2013-09-02 01:14:56 PM  
Maus is a great personal work. But turn it into a faithful movie? Nope. I'm sure people would call it anti-semitic. And the Poles don't come of too well.
 
2013-09-02 01:19:41 PM  
I'd pay to see Mickey sent to Mauschwitz.
 
2013-09-02 02:01:37 PM  
I always thought the beginning of An American Tail was the coolest when I was a kid. Cats are evil.
 
2013-09-02 02:20:38 PM  

miniflea: Suede head: Tyrone Slothrop: Suede head: Yeah, let's have even more boo-hoo for the Jews films.

It would be interesting to see a "holocaust" movie about the 6 million non-Jews that were also killed.

I've often wondered that - does "the six million" that gets shoved down our throats and cannot be questioned include the millions of Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, disabled, mentally ill etc who were murdered?

My understanding is that it represents the number that were killed in the camps, and does not include the additional millions that were killed by the einsatzgruppen in the field.


It includes all Jews killed by the Nazis but does not include other groups targeted. Normally the murder of 200,000 people would be an outrage, but it pales in comparison to the 5.5-6 million Jews who were slaughtered. And apparently experts have recalculated (upwards) the number of Slavs murdered to as high as 10 million. I guess if the Soviets hasn't been such secretive dicks we'd have come up with a term to apply to that genocide at the same time we as a society coined the Holocaust to refer to the Jews.
 
2013-09-02 02:24:40 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: I guess if the Soviets hasn't been such secretive dicks we'd have come up with a term to apply to that genocide at the same time we as a society coined the Holocaust to refer to the Jews.


Stalin is big hero now.
 
2013-09-02 02:28:22 PM  

legion_of_doo: Mike Chewbacca: I guess if the Soviets hasn't been such secretive dicks we'd have come up with a term to apply to that genocide at the same time we as a society coined the Holocaust to refer to the Jews.

Stalin is big hero now.


To whom, besides Putin?
 
2013-09-02 02:30:40 PM  

simplicimus: legion_of_doo: Mike Chewbacca: I guess if the Soviets hasn't been such secretive dicks we'd have come up with a term to apply to that genocide at the same time we as a society coined the Holocaust to refer to the Jews.

Stalin is big hero now.

To whom, besides Putin?


What flavor you like your polonium?

/RUSSIA STRONG
 
2013-09-02 02:33:13 PM  

legion_of_doo: simplicimus: legion_of_doo: Mike Chewbacca: I guess if the Soviets hasn't been such secretive dicks we'd have come up with a term to apply to that genocide at the same time we as a society coined the Holocaust to refer to the Jews.

Stalin is big hero now.

To whom, besides Putin?

What flavor you like your polonium?

/RUSSIA STRONG


Bourbon, if they have it.
 
2013-09-02 03:46:20 PM  
In related news, Dave Trumbore needs to be punched in the mouth.
 
2013-09-02 06:22:03 PM  
I don't think I'm interested.
 
2013-09-02 08:01:26 PM  

rjakobi: I think he and they spent all that time making sure it did NOT get made into a movie.


It was a jab at Ted Rahl because Rahl started squandering all of his indie comic cred by assaulting Spiegelman when Spiegelman worked at a high profile magazine. Rahl then went on to completely blow it in 2001 when he became a conspiracy nutjob.
 
2013-09-02 08:22:19 PM  
They should work up screenplays for Barefoot Genji and Grave of the Fireflies while they're at it. Release them all at Christmas just for the lulz.
 
2013-09-02 08:55:51 PM  
They did make another graphic novel into a movie a few years ago...Persepolis I think it was.

A lot of the graphics appeared to be based on the novel itself, and while I haven't seen the movie I heard it was a good adaptation.

Perhaps if they did it like that and had Spiegelman do the art and animation it would be good...I can't see it working any other way.
 
2013-09-03 05:14:25 PM  
Fun fact, Speiglman created the Garbage Pail Kids.
 
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